Relative magic strengths

[BFG]

This may not be particularly useful information, but I found in interesting if nothing else.

I've spent the last few hours observing the amount of damage each magic attack will do against the same group of enemies--those enemies not having any inherent strengths/weaknesses against a particular type of magic.

Here are the results, from highest to lowest.  To simplify things, the rankings of each are weighted, from lowest (1) to highest (76).  The spell with the rating of 76 causes approximately 76x as much damage as the one with a rating of 1.

This is against ONE ENEMY with no weaknesses/strengths against magic, and with ALL STATS for ALL CHARACTERS maxxed out (magic **, power **, and HP 1 where applicable).

DoublevBomb (Lucca+Robo): 76
Grand Dream (Marle+Frog+Robo; Gold Rock): 48
Frog Flare (Frog+Lucca): 34
Final Kick (Crono+Marle+Ayla): 29
Gatling Kick (Crono+Lucca+Ayla): 29
Fire Tackle (Lucca+Robo): 27
Ice Tackle (Marle+Robo): 26
Blaze Kick (Lucca+Ayla): 26
Cube Toss (Marle+Ayla): 22
Twister (Crono+Robo+Ayla): 18
Arc Impulse (Crono+Marle+Frog): 18
Ice Toss (Marle+Ayla): 17
Fire Punch (Lucca+Robo): 16
OmegaFlare (Magus+Lucca+Robo; Blue Rock): 16
Super Volt (Crono+Robo): 14
DarkEternal (Magus+Marle+Lucca; Black Rock): 13
Fire Sword 2 (Crono+Lucca): 13
Ice Sword 2 (Crono+Marle): 13
Fire Whirl (Crono+Lucca): 13
Flame Kick (Lucca+Ayla): 11
Antipode 3 (Marle+Lucca): 11
Spire (Crono+Frog): 11
Red Pin (Lucca+Frog): 10
Fire Sword (Crono+Lucca): 10
Ice Sword (Crono+Marle): 10
SwordStream (Crono+Frog): 9
Shock (Robo): 9
Delta Storm (Crono+Lucca+Frog): 8
Delta Force (Crono+Marle+Lucca): 8
Fire Zone (Crono+Lucca+Robo): 8
Luminaire (Crono): 8
Area Bomb (Robo): 7
Glacier (Marle+Frog): 7
Antipode 2 (Marle+Lucca): 7
Flare (Lucca): 7
PoyozoDance (Marle+Lucca+Ayla): 6
Tail Spin (Ayla): 6
DarkMatter (Magus): 6
Line Bomb (Lucca+Frog): 5
Mega Bomb (Lucca): 5
Fire Whirl (Crono+Lucca): 5
Dark Bomb (Magus): 4
Dark Mist (Magus): 4
Max Cyclone (Crono+Robo): 4
Rocket Roll (Crono+Robo): 4
Ice Water (Marle+Frog): 3
Antipode (Marle+Lucca): 3
Ice 2 (Magus): 3
Lightning2 (Magus): 3
Fire 2 (Magus): 3
Laser Spin (Robo): 2
Fire 2 (Lucca): 2
Water 2 (Frog): 2
Lightning 2 (Crono): 2
Ice 2 (Marle): 2
Lightning (Crono): 2
Napalm (Lucca): 2
Water (Frog): 2
Ice (Marle): 2
Fire (Lucca): 2
Slash (Crono): 2
Flame Toss (Lucca): 1

(By the way, these were tested against Spekkio's Nu form. To find out about how much HP damage each attack did, multiply their rating by 177. That is, except for a few such as DoublevBomb, which I had to extrapolate from other battles because they couldn't hit Spekkio.)

All techs that aren't listed are either physical attacks or healing/defense, so they have a rating of 0 for this. Those techs are:
3D Attack, Aura Beam, Aura Whirl, Beast Toss, Black Hole, Blade Toss, Boogie, Bubble Hit, Bubble Snap, Cat Attack, Charm, Confuse, Cure, Cure 2, Cure Beam, Cure Touch, Cure Wave, Cyclone, Dino Tail, Double Cure, Drill Kick, Drop Kick, Falcon Hit, Frog Squash, Haste, Heal, Heal Beam, Hypno Wave, Kiss, Leap Slash, Life, Life 2, Life Line, Magic Wall, Protect, Provoke, Robo Tackle, Rock Throw, RocketPunch, Rollo Kick, Slurp, Slurp Cut, Slurp Kiss, Spin Kick, Spin Strike, Spincut, Triple Kick, Triple Raid, Twin Charm, Uzi Punch, Volt Bite, and X Strike.

Whew, that's a lot of info...

[Anonymous]

A few of my totals have been called into question, and for good reason.  I unfortunately was unable to launch a few of the spells against Spekkio-Nu because of range of attack.  I attempted to extrapolate these spells' values from other battles but believe I did so incorrectly.  DoublevBomb is among them.  I'll try again using other methods and see what happens...

[V_Translanka]

Heh, I was about to say...I know DoublevBomb is big pimpin damage, but damn...Maybe try against Lavos' core w/defense on? I know you can hit that w/pretty much everything...

[Anonymous]

There were several things wrong with the above totals.  The biggest problem of all?  Somehow I forgot to take the PrismSpecs off Robo.  Curses!

Anyway, here's the results I got the second time through; they're probably a lot closer to what you all were expecting. Here's the procedure I used.

--Each tech attack was conducted against 9 Hetakes (127 def, 50 off, no strengths/weaknesses, making it a perfectly mundane enemy). The damage from each of the 9 was averaged.
--All characters had maximum possible stats (level ** + ** PWR, MGC, SPD). The strongest weapon available for each character was equipped. (For Robo, this was the Crisis Arm.)
--Frog and Ayla's HP were maintained at 1. Robo's HP was maintained at 999.
--All characters were equipped with non-stat-affecting accessories. (I made certain there were no Specs this time!)

I split the spells mathematically into 20 different categories; they should be grouped according to approximately equal damage, and to some degree the order of the spells within each category could be swapped (since the random damage added onto each spell undoubtedly skewed these results slightly).

Top to bottom:
**LEVEL 20
8770 Frog Flare
8589 Grand Dream
**LEVEL 19
8127 Beast Toss
**LEVEL 18
7858 OmegaFlare
**LEVEL 17
7583 DoublevBomb
**LEVEL 16
7115 Twister
7011 GatlingKick
7006 Final Kick
**LEVEL 15
6736 DarkEternal
6612 Fire Whirl
**LEVEL 13
5833 3D Attack
5702 Antipode 3
5587 Blaze Kick
5507 Super Volt
**LEVEL 11
4994 Drop Kick
4805 Cube Toss
**LEVEL 10
4559 Fire Tackle
4460 Spin Strike
4315 Delta Force
4309 Delta Storm
4197 Ice Tackle
**LEVEL 9
4121 Arc Impulse
4067 Luminaire
4043 Triple Raid
3809 Uzi Punch
3777 Bubble Snap
**LEVEL 8
3611 Frog Squash
3601 Ice Toss
3599 Volt Bite
3534 Fire Zone
3449 Antipode 2
3439 Glacier
3422 Flare
3410 Spire
3317 Triple Kick
**LEVEL 7
3261 Dino Tail
3260 Shock
3256 Tail Spin
3254 PoyozoDance
3094 DarkMatter
3023 Ice Sword 2
3019 Fire Sword 2
**LEVEL 6
2715 Flame Kick
2698 Rock Throw
2635 Fire Punch
2613 Mega Bomb
2606 Line Bomb
2530 Red Pin
2530 Spin Kick
2528 Bubble Hit
2451 Area Bomb
2438 Ice Sword
2431 Fire Sword
2426 SwordStream
**LEVEL 5
2214 Drill Kick
2080 Max Cyclone
2076 Falcon Hit
2038 Dark Mist
2037 Dark Bomb
**LEVEL 4
1895 Robo Tackle
1871 Confuse
1813 Ice Water
1809 Antipode
1802 Cat Attack
1737 RocketPunch
1683 X Strike
**LEVEL 3
1474 Ice 2 (Magus)
1472 Lightning2 (Magus)
1472 Fire 2 (Magus)
1374 Blade Toss
1266 Rollo Kick
1236 Rocket Roll
1151 Lightning2 (Crono)
1151 Fire Whirl
1148 Ice 2 (Marle)
1148 Fire 2 (Lucca)
1148 Water 2 (Frog)
1117 Leap Slash
**LEVEL 2
1040 Spincut
991 Napalm
980 Lightning
907 Fire
903 Ice
901 Water
825 Slash
824 Laser Spin
690 Slurp Cut
661 Cyclone
**LEVEL 1
499 Flame Toss

[BFG]

Ugh, I've gotta remember that clearing the cookie cache gets rid of auto-login...

I should also note that, in most cases, you can multiply the damage done by each tech by 1.5 if you equip the involved characters all with PrismSpecs.  This is obviously not the case for the 5 triple techs requiring Rocks, however...