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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2009, 07:50:20 pm »
Most of the Menu Text doesn't even exist in the pre-release.

Enter a name, then push the
Start Button.{null} - Doesn't exist

Enemies will attack even
if you're not ready!{null} - Doesn't exist

Take your time to choose
items and fight strategically.{null} - Doesn't exist

Start using
which data?{null} - Doesn't exist

Who'll you
replace?{null} - This one is somewhere but it's not exactly "menu text"

Can't
do that!{null} - Somewhere in there.

Can be used by{null} - Same with this one.

On another note, the beasts in Algetty don't have a random battle event to drag you into it.  You have to get touched by one of the beasts to start a battle.

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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2009, 09:15:58 pm »
It opens fine in Wordpad, saved as Unicode text. (Yes, I used Wordpad, because Textpad STILL doesn't have Unicode support.) But see for yourself:

http://chronofan.com/Black/Publications/CTPTD.txt

Whatever. This was only a stepping stone for the spreadsheet, so that's fine.

Edit: Wordpad opens up the original file fine, but when I upload and download the uploaded version and upload it, it's ugly as hell. Is the upload process doing something?

Edit 2: Has to be the upload process. Firefox opens my local copy fine. What the hell...
« Last Edit: January 03, 2009, 09:28:26 pm by ZeaLitY »

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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2009, 09:57:01 pm »
You know, this stuff is so crazy and all over the place...for the huge spreadsheet, I was adding lines with no Trigger equivalent to a special section, but in retrospect this possibly cuts up scenes.

Okay, so change of plans. We're going to have two sets of spreadsheets.

* PRERELEASE SPREADSHEET

This will be organized according to the order of the Prerelease text offsets. The columns will go:

PRERELEASE JAPANESE >>> PRERELEASE TRANSLATION >>> FINAL JAPANESE >>> KWHAZIT RETRANSLATION

* FINAL CT SCRIPT SPREADSHEET

This will be the final script for the official releases of the game. The columns will go:

WOOLSEY >>> SNES JP >>> CT DS JP >>> SLATTERY >>> KWHAZIT >>> KWHAZIT'S ANNOTATIONS

There we go. This will keep the Prerelease's scenes complete.

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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2009, 03:00:28 am »
That file you attached doesn't work any better.

The "dead end" string in bank 1 is used in the Magic Cave when you try to go out the Zenan side.


Tangent:
I made the table I used to dump the script by taking the Japanese table and altering it by referencing Temporal Flux.

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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2009, 03:10:26 am »
Here's how the script will appear. Everything's geared to facilitate translation.

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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2009, 03:22:01 am »
I just recently found out with TF where the "Time Machine get" is used. There's a debug object in the upper left of the Millennial fair that places the Sylbird/Epoch on the OW.


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[Unknown]
 何かこわそうね。[END]
 
 [Young Woman]
 ルッカの発明の事だから
また何か……[END]

 [Young Woman]
 ルッカの発明もたまには…[END]

The "Unknown" is a young woman. The "young woman" lines are assigned to a young man who doesn't exist in the final.

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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2009, 04:37:17 pm »
 [Unknown - Appears in Ioka Hut Final Lines]       [Unknown - Appears in Ioka Hut Final Lines]
 ドッペルチェーンジッ!![END]            Dopple chaaange, yeah!!

Interesting that this was edited before the final to remove the ッ, which I've seen Deidara use to end his sentences with something like "yeah". It appears in Frog's Cursed Woods lines in the Prerelease.

Edit: Oh, this is just unbelievable. Cyrus says this in the Pre when he attacks Magus:

   サイラス・パーンチッ!!

Which translates to...

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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2009, 05:00:33 pm »
Interesting! サイラスパンチ was precisely the name of Pierre's tech SlapOfCyrus in the Japanese version (according to http://ystu.hp.infoseek.co.jp/game/chrono/ere6.html ). The reference makes sense all of a sudden.

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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2009, 07:24:47 pm »
Zeal is really work-in-progress. The lines resemble their final versions, but they're almost always smaller.

Interestingly, Dalton came and got Schala from her bedroom.

Edit: Okay, that wraps Zeal Palace. Something's different about the battle with Dalton; Queen Zeal is referred to as ZEAL: already and has more lines. Google Language:

  Zeile "after I leave, Dalton.
    WARAWA will descend to the temple. He is leaving them in the living room and study HOURIKON. [END]
 
  Zeile "I go, I prophet! [END]
 
  Dalton "daughter, Queen ... ...!? [END]
 
  Dalton "chip, it was Wow!
    Our first Thanks for nothing! [END]
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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2009, 07:58:05 pm »
You DO know that those are the lines Ryoga posted at the beginning of this thread, right?

His theory from back then, "it just appears", is probably wrong, since the Golems don't seem to exist in the pre-release.
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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2009, 08:13:38 pm »
Can't find equivalents for these in Chrono Trigger:

話す相手といったら、姉のサラ様と、
いつも連れてあるいてる、あのネコくらい。
 
われらとはちがって、いったい何を見て、
何を聞いてらっしゃることやら……。[END]

三賢者様以外で、魔神器をあつかえるのは
今では、サラ様だけです。[END]

 現在ここにある魔神器を、海底神殿にうつし
ラヴォスより、さらに強大なエネルギーを
えられれば、不老不死も夢ではない。[END]
 
 三賢者の一人、命の賢者様は、女王の計画に
反対なさってから、姿を見なくなった。
まさか……。[END]

Edit: The second round of unpointed text is just insane. I can barely figure out what's what. Perhaps it was written into the ROM using a slightly different table before the Pre's table was finalized? Here's an example of what Google Language is giving:

Festival's negative system, dynamic issue.

TABAN "O, I be!!

TABAN "Hey, Lucca!
Things like, you are wrong positive woman!

TABAN "status Ha!
You good, this shit!
Well AGARA train soldiers!

Lucca, "says Ken!
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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2009, 10:55:16 pm »
Here's through Text Block 06a (unpointed) in case anyone wants to try and figure out the story behind those unpointed lines.

Edit: Text Block 07 gets really different in Medina. Seems like the party learned about Magus "creating" Lavos by talking to villagers rather than fighting Heckran.

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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2009, 01:34:30 am »
Can't find equivalents for these in Chrono Trigger:

話す相手といったら、姉のサラ様と、
いつも連れてあるいてる、あのネコくらい。
 
われらとはちがって、いったい何を見て、
何を聞いてらっしゃることやら……。[END]

三賢者様以外で、魔神器をあつかえるのは
今では、サラ様だけです。[END]

 現在ここにある魔神器を、海底神殿にうつし
ラヴォスより、さらに強大なエネルギーを
えられれば、不老不死も夢ではない。[END]
 
 三賢者の一人、命の賢者様は、女王の計画に
反対なさってから、姿を見なくなった。
まさか……。[END]

It seems these are from Kingdom Zeal. The first paragraph is probably about Janus(The one who calls Schala elder sister, with a cat beside him. He's different from us, I don't know what he's looking and thinking); the second paragraph says besides the 3 sages, only Schala can handle that Mammon Machine; the third paragraph says after moving the Mammon Machine to the undersea palace where it can make contact with Lavos itself,  it can drain great energy, perhaps even the dream of immortality may become true; the fourth paragraph says one of the 3 sage, the sage of life, who opposed the queen's plan, disappeared.

These sound familiar...


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 [Young Woman] Different translation, "besides the 3 sages, only Schala can handle that Mammon Machine" is cut.
   Magic strong enough to control the
   extraction of energy, is needed to
   control the Mammon Machine.

 [Old Man]
   If the Mammon Machine is moved to
   the Ocean Palace, we can extract even
   more energy from Lavos.
  
   The ultimate dream of eternal youth
   and life, is now possible!
  
   Oh, almighty Queen, our kingdom of
   Zeal will reign forever!

 [Old Man]
   Melchior, who opposed the Queen's
   plans, has vanished.
   You're not thinking what I am, are
   you?

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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2009, 02:29:05 am »
Seems like the party learned about Magus "creating" Lavos by talking to villagers rather than fighting Heckran.
Yeah. The scene I tried to describe in the Medina Square (CTP) article probably involves this dialog.

That line about Janus is probably the rough version of this:
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話し相手といったら、姉のサラ様と
いつも連れてあるいている
あのネコくらいのもの……。
(Woolsey translation: " His only friend, other than his sister, is that stupid cat.")

Quote
タバン「……[END]
Taban says this if you talk to him after he gives Lara the apples.


Do the unpointed lines make any sense?

Quote from: Example
ないトコだ!
   あ、あんちゃん様も、アブナイぜ。
   とっとと、ズラかんねーと……

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Re: Interesting Pre script discoveries...
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2009, 10:04:30 am »
It seems like you're in the middle of organizing everything, so if you have something for me to translate, put it somewhere specific so I know what it is I'm working on.