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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2005, 07:33:01 pm »
Yeah, but that same FAQ goes on to say in Appendix B:

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     g) NW'U:  Finally, the infamous Japanese name for the creature Nu. In
         kana, it is written as a katakana NU followed by a subscripted
         katakana U.  So why NWU instead of NUU or NU'U?  Well, there really
         is a precedent with the NWU notation.  It turns out that to notate
         the "kw" double consonant sound (such as "quake", "queen"), sometimes
         the notation would be to use KU followed by a subscripted vowel kana.
         Following this line of reasoning, we would then indeed transliterate
         NU followed by subscripted U as NWU.  I choose to insert the
         apostrophe to attempt to make it clearer that it is NU+U, rather
         than something like syllabic N+U.

         This leaves the question of how you'd pronounce "Nwu".  Hyena20
         suggests that it is supposed to be unpronouncible as a single
         syllable, but I find that I was able to pronounce it as a single
         syllable fairly convincingly.  That aside, that sound, or even
         something more ordinary like "nawu", would probably be unpronouncible
         to the Japanese, since for starters the Japanese don't have a real
         "wu" sound at all, even in classical Japanese.  So most likely many
         Japanese would try to pronounce it as just NUU (that is, NU followed
         by a normal U), since that is readily pronouncible for the Japanese,
         and is what the kanas look like anyway.

So, either way, it would still be prounounced like "Nu," just with a longer U-sound.

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« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2005, 06:40:16 pm »
i never made the connection to CT's Nu, but Nu (besides its meaning in dutch, also) means naked in french, so they could also be the 'naked' form of the entity

i think it is cool that the translators chose a word that means several things in different languages (anyone know of other meanings?)

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« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2005, 06:48:18 am »
Quote from: mondragon369
Aren't the Nu litterally a being? They are everywhere in all time periods effectively linking them. Perhaps even pulling all timelines together.  ... I think their function could be to point out to people/the characters the presence, if not the importance, of the moment in time itself. ... Just to remind you where you are. They don't seem malevolent or engaged, more like part of a system, ever present. They don't come looking for you but if you're willing to experience the moment they'll let you.


I think this is the best description of the nature of the Nu that I have seen thus far. I throw my two cents in support of it.

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« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2005, 09:06:07 am »
perhaps the nu are observers not beloging to the entity but spekkio because yes they are found in importent time eras but those time eras are also places where large wars are takng place

e.g
prehistoric - the war between the humans and reptites
dark ages - Zeal and the Earthbound ones not really a war but millatary technologies are found e.g the Blackbird
600 AD - the war between Guardia and the Mystics
1000 AD - no wars but i dont think any nu can be found in this era
2300 AD - humans Vs machines not much of a war though and only one nu that belthazar created which was robot (it did have a switch on its body)
end of time - spekkio his final form being a nu and also due to the gates able to watch various time periods

just a obversation i made please tell me any flaws you may find

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« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2005, 02:38:46 am »
The Nu in the elemental place in 1000AD has a Nu who says he will be with Belthasar shortly..

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« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2005, 11:41:57 pm »
^^^^^

Yeah, I never understood that.  :?   :?


He will be with Belthasar shortly????!!!! Huh????!!!! What????!!!!

:?   :? :?   :?

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« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2005, 12:15:04 pm »
He is going to sleep until Balthasar's arrival. Thus, it will seem short to the Nu. That's my interpertation.

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« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2005, 07:39:54 pm »
Yeah, but doesn't that Nu just dissapear completely? I think it somehow follows him...So perhaps the Nu have Temporal capabilities.

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« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2005, 08:27:23 am »
I think the Entity is Queen Zeal's soul. Why?

Gaspar in the End of Time says that someone from you is close to someone who needs help. After the Black Omen is destroyed, he says that Queen Zeal's soul rests now.

The characters in the campfire (after taking Robo back), talk about the Entity and say they will find out who is it, when they defeat Lavos.

In "Beyond Time" ending (the default), they say that now the Entity rests.

It may be Queen Zeal's soul who guided them.

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« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2005, 08:36:29 am »
There's a few holes in that though, I do believe...Here's two I can point out right off the bat...

1. Why?

2. How can any of what occurs w/the party be interpreted as Zeal's memories flashing before her eyes?

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« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2005, 12:06:25 pm »
Why? Why there should be an Entity? Not a specific reason. Queen Zeal, after her soul was set free, travelled through time (let's say souls can do that) and tried to guide the main characters in this adventure. She caused Schala's pendant to be found by somebody from the royal family who passed it to Marle. She caused Marle to meet Crono, etc etc. Why? Let's say, because she wanted to set her soul free. It's like a loop. When we discuss time travels, we have to accept these loops. Characters were guided to free Queen Zeal's soul, Queen Zeal's soul guided the characters to free her, so that she could guide them to free her again and so on... A loop.

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« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2005, 12:53:52 pm »
That doesn't make sense, in the original timeline it is never known what the Queens fate is after the ocean palace disaster. Most likely Schala used the last of her pendants power to teleport her and her mother out of the ocean palace to saftey. So the Queen would have never risen with the Black Omen, ect ect.

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« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2005, 03:50:07 pm »
The power the pendant had when the Ocean Palace sank, was used to teleport the characters and Magus to safety. Then Queen Zeal lived in the Black Omen, waiting to become immortal, with Lavos' power... We do not find Schala anywhere, so perhaps she is dead. If the Black Omen falls, Queen Zeal goes with her daughter. What doesn't make sense?

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« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2005, 04:31:34 pm »
For then entity to exist it would have to be around before the events of Chrono Trigger occured.

Quote from: Robo
I have come to think that
   someone, or something wanted us to
   see all this.

   The different events over time, that
   we have witnessed.
   It is almost as if some entity wanted
   to relive its past.


In the original timeline, unaffected by the group, Schala never had to use the last of the power to teleport the group and Magus out, they were never there. The Black Omen never existed in the original timeline either.

And Schala is sent to the DBT in the new timeline, where she is merged with Lavos and then the events in Cross happen.

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« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2005, 04:49:45 pm »
I don't know Chrono Cross or Radical Dreamers. But I believe that when you face time travels, you need to accept these "loops" I mentioned, which means there is no "beginning" timeline. Timelines in Chrono Trigger are themselves very complex, because while the characters try to save one timeline from Lavos, they let Earth in many other timelines be destroyed from it.