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« on: October 23, 2005, 06:43:56 pm »
Is it generally accepted that there is a very strange discrepancy in the evolution of the human being?

Supposedly, at some point eons ago, man's ancestors suddenly started evolving at an abnormally rapid pace...... or so I've heard.

I was just wondering if most scientists have agreed on this issue.


*I just recently watched "2001: A Space Odyssey", so........*

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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2005, 07:27:56 pm »
Nah, we just started developing brains.

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2005, 08:08:22 pm »
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Nah, we just started developing brains.


Well, asymetric brains. Helped us abstract things, and develop langauge, and more complex tools.

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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2005, 09:18:11 pm »
And now look at our accomplishments! Ten years from destroying our planet!


Huzzah!

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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2005, 10:17:47 pm »
We don't know shit about anything short of recovered records kept. I believe carbon dating to be totally flawed.

Course that's a belief, not a fact...*shrug* But my point is we don't know anything, since we A) weren't there to experience it and B) don't have legitimate records to tell us what happened.

I'm as likely descended from a monkey or descended from Adam as I used to be a platypus in the previous life =p

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2005, 12:27:47 am »
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Is it generally accepted that there is a very strange discrepancy in the evolution of the human being?

Supposedly, at some point eons ago, man's ancestors suddenly started evolving at an abnormally rapid pace...... or so I've heard.

I was just wondering if most scientists have agreed on this issue.


*I just recently watched "2001: A Space Odyssey", so........*

There is some confusion among the ordinary public that what passes for an "abnormally rapid pace" in geologic time can legitimately be called "rapid" by any measure of the imagination. A thousand years is an excruciatingly long time. A million years is almost unfathomable. Hundreds of millions of years...is ineffable in human terms. Even the least of these spans is sufficiently long for a species to evolve significantly.

The reason that evolution sometimes occurs more quickly and sometimes more slowly is that, so long as a species is successful in its environment, natural selection will favor mutations that pretty much amount to "more of the same," and therefore will produce what might be perceived in hindsight as a period of evolutionary stagnation. However, if environmental circumstances become adverse to a species, only those mutations that restore prosperity will be selected, and this is where most of the interesting evolutionary "progress" occurs. Naturally, all of this occurs on a grayscale, as opposed to black and whites, meaning that much of what really happens is a subtle combination of the two with varying propensity for one or the other when the specifics are laid out.

To some degree, the periods of significant evolutionary diversification are shorter than the corresponding periods of stability, because they only tend to last until a new stability is attained. Much like the motion of the tectonic plates, with evolution there's always a gradual drift, but many of the most exciting developments occur in much shorter bursts of activity.

The rapid periods of biodiversification in history are not only accommodated by evolutionary theory, but actually predicted by it.

So, do "most scientists agree" that humanity evolved relatively quickly in geologic terms? Yes. But is this something to cause a scandal in the scientific community or poke a hole in the theory of evolution? No. In fact, it's just the opposite.

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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2005, 01:47:38 am »
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And now look at our accomplishments! Ten years from destroying our planet!


Huzzah!


DAMN RIGHT MOTHERFUCKER!!!

...you guys got any crack?

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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2005, 05:54:02 am »
I really wanna watch 2001: Space Oddesy, but i dont want to have an afternoon nap

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2005, 03:58:11 pm »
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...you guys got any crack?


I need to check with my suppliers before I can answer that.

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2005, 08:03:16 pm »
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...you guys got any crack?


Not the kind you want.

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And now look at our accomplishments! Ten years from destroying our planet!


Huzzah!


*boots up Earthbound* >_>

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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2005, 04:24:12 pm »
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...you guys got any crack?


Not the kind you want.

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And now look at our accomplishments! Ten years from destroying our planet!


Huzzah!


*boots up Earthbound* >_>


A winner is you.

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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2005, 04:36:18 pm »
Earthbound is such a kick-ass game, God I love it.

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2005, 11:08:46 pm »
Other than the fact Homo Sapiens appeared only a few hundred thousand years after Homo Erectus (compared to 2 million years for Homo Erectus only for being able to stand up in the end...), did you know we also have 223 genes which we aren't 'naturally' supposed to be having? 223 genes which can't be explained being obtained through vertical (normal) evolution but only horizental (external influence)? Go figure, and these genes on top of that are genes that affect us physologically and 'psychologically'. What a coincidence..

http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/05_01/Gene_transfer.shtml

http://www.sitchin.com/adam.htm

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2005, 11:42:56 pm »
Geez, Dont you know? A few hundred thousand years ago, our ancestors found the Frozen Flame and evolved rapidly because of that, and now we're here thanks to it. CT and CC are predictions of the future! AHHHH1!1!!!oneone!one1!!!1!

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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2005, 10:04:27 pm »
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Other than the fact Homo Sapiens appeared only a few hundred thousand years after Homo Erectus (compared to 2 million years for Homo Erectus only for being able to stand up in the end...), did you know we also have 223 genes which we aren't 'naturally' supposed to be having? 223 genes which can't be explained being obtained through vertical (normal) evolution but only horizental (external influence)? Go figure, and these genes on top of that are genes that affect us physologically and 'psychologically'. What a coincidence.


I'm sorry, I'm going to need better evidence of these claims. First of all, homo habilis, which predated homo erectus, was bipedal. Not sure what you're aiming for with that. Also, your claim that there are genes that we "aren't 'naturally' supposed to be having" sounds like pure fantasy to me. Do you know what happens when a person has "extra" genes? Down syndrome. If someone has the wrong count of genes, they are sterile. Any person who can reproduce (i.e., most of humanity) has the correct count of genes. You know how they got them? Naturally.

I also want evidence that these genes, if they exist as you say they do, affect our psychology. Also, I'd like you to define "physologically". That doesn't seem to be a word.