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« Reply #285 on: October 30, 2005, 03:33:43 pm »
The point is some people enjoy simple games, games where you don't have to think about every single little thing that you do.  And I don't see anything wrong with that.

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« Reply #286 on: October 30, 2005, 10:01:22 pm »
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I don't have a problem with it story-wise, it's just horribly acted out and scripted. I mean even Natalie Portman, who's a great actress in other movies, gave a half-assed performance. These things aren't always the fault of the actor/actress, often it's the Director. Hence why George Lucas should no longer write scripts or direct, or at least let the actors handle their roles their own way. Who knows, maybe Hayden Christensen is a better actor than these movies made him out to be?


He got rave reviews for Shattered Glass.  The reviews for Revenge of the Sith largely said he did a better job, because he was allowed to be more human.

"Countless millions" also share my opinion of AOTC.  Some have even said it's the best since Empire.  I don't personally agree with that, but that's their right.  

One has to realize where these two kids are coming from.  The Jedi Order of the prequel era, in its arrogance, shares much of the same outlook on life as a fanatical religionist group; that stifling emotion and thought, everything that makes sentient beings qualify for the title, and submitting yourself to the whims of some invisible thing whose will, although proven to exist in Star Wars, is still nearly impossible to discern, is the only way to purity.  A good many Sith Lords and Dark Jedi, as well as Grey Jedi (Force users that operate outside the Jedi but are not aligned with the dark side) have become what they are because of this attitude.  The Jedi Code itself, or at least the one in use at the time of the prequels, says "There is no emotion, there is peace" as if the two were somehow opposed to one another.  The Jedi stunted Anakin's emotional development; do you honestly expect an order that pretends that they have no emotion to be very helpful in that regard?  Padme also came from a highly insulated environment, that of Naboo politics.  In some respects, they can be said to have simply latched on to each other like a forbidden fruit, save that in this case it's someone else who comes along and ruins everyone's shit instead of the "feuding families" comprised of the completely different worlds the two inhabit.  You really think that makes for a healthy relationship?  Do you really think that with that kind of an upbringing, he's ever going to acquire emotional stability and thus not sound like a douche?  Ain't gonna happen.  You didn't notice when Yoda told him to simply let go of everything he was attached to?  That was a capital-grade load of bullshit.  Monastic orders are already irrational for trying to keep you from satisfying the basic biological desire to have sex, but taking away one's mental and emotional supplies as well forces you to rely on whatever power you're believing in like a drug, which totally robs you of the capacity to think and reason for yourself.  The Force is just as much of a drug for the Jedi as it is for the Sith; for these reasons, Luke's reinvention of the Order totally excluded the clauses against emotional attachment.  If you're not attached to something, then why would you bother defending it?  Anakin's attached to Padme because she satisfies the sentient needs that the Jedi denied him; when Palpatine told him that the Jedi's presence threatened that need, he was willing to do whatever it took to keep her, even massacring kids and former friends.

In the end, the reason Anakin's a douche is the same reason Squall's a douche, except that Squall's a bit more of a douche because he does it to himself.  But Hayden plays a brilliant, brilliant douche.

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« Reply #287 on: October 31, 2005, 02:12:58 am »
Mystik, he was talking about it as an analogy...or metaphor...
But yes, it is an indirect insult, much like the ones used in Frasier  :wink:

And yes, I hated Adel. Couldnt use any GF's *sigh* But Irvines Pulsar Shot was very useful. And yes, I love Tonberry. He was a piece of shit to use, yet his abilities are what made me win. Call Shop  8)  To get Odin you must have the Chocobo Call ability or whatnot, and near Ultimecias Castle you must go through one of the gates, one that goes into a giant forest, and call a Chocobo. Then, you can go anywhere you want, except towns, because they are blocked by a forcefield. Ive only read this so...

Another thing I read is that if you beat the game 100% (all gfs, all magic, all cards, all items, beat Omega Weapon) and then finish the game 10 times on, then you get to play as Sephiroth!

Another thing is you do some stuff at the military base, and you get Cloud with Buster Sword instead of Gilgy. Rumours most likely...

Man, this has gone so off topic. More an FF8 thread...

Plus, have you noticed how much animosity there is in the forums? Everyone has an enemy. Lord J, and some people (Sentenal, Daniel) and so on... Most people and me and BlueThunder...

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« Reply #288 on: October 31, 2005, 02:56:22 am »
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Another thing I read is that if you beat the game 100% (all gfs, all magic, all cards, all items, beat Omega Weapon) and then finish the game 10 times on, then you get to play as Sephiroth!

Another thing is you do some stuff at the military base, and you get Cloud with Buster Sword instead of Gilgy. Rumours most likely...


Oh. My. God.

I saw a 'FAQ' on GameFAQs that pointed out tons of interesting rumors about FF9, very similar to these. It's ridiculous the crap people try to pull.

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« Reply #289 on: October 31, 2005, 03:43:34 am »
Look man, you should know by now that 90% of all stuff on GameFAQs is bull. You did? Well, ok...screw you...
But what FAQ is this. Might be interesting to see it and if i  *cracks knucles* like it, i might just give the authore a visit  :twisted:

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« Reply #290 on: October 31, 2005, 08:11:06 am »
um...uh...double post! sorry....heh...heh...

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« Reply #291 on: October 31, 2005, 08:26:41 am »
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That's not including all of the other great remakes and ports of older games like River City Ransom, R-Type III, The Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past & Four Swords and Metroid. Then there's Metroid: Fusion and all of the Megaman games (two series: Battle Network & Zero).


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I got sick of Mega Man games a long long time ago.


After recently beating MegaMan: Battle Network (the first & currently working on the second) and playing quite a lot of Megaman: Zero (also the first), I feel inclined to point out that neither are like any of the previous Megaman games.

Zero is the closest of the two, but even it is a new twist on the old concept. Firstly, it seems as though it's set in the world of Megaman X and you play as Zero (big surprise, right?). You go through levels ala Megaman games, but your weapons are very tweaked. You get a buster-type weapon, an energy sword, a kind of energy spear, and an energy shield (everything's energy in the future kids!). Each weapon has different uses and the more you use them, the more they level up and thus each weapon becomes more useful by gaining new abilities. I stopped when I got to the place where there's those damn jumping platforms that disappear and you have to time the jump to the next disappearing platform at the last second...I hate those...but I'll pick it up again after the Battle Network games...

Speaking of the Battle Network games...They're nothing like any of the previous Megaman games at all really. Except that there's a MegaMan (spelt like that) and he has a buster (and there's a Dr. Wily, but no Dr. Light! wtf?!?)...All the rules of gameplay are different. The closest thing I can put it in comparison to would have to be a more real-time Live-a-Live. It's definately one of the most enjoyable games I've played in a good while.

Check both series out even if you've grown tired of Megaman & Megaman X.

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« Reply #292 on: November 01, 2005, 04:26:46 am »
Damn my little bro was obsessed with MMBatle Network. Must've clocked over a over 100 hours probably. I think my other brother stole it from him jjust so he would stop playing it. An intervention, I guess.

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« Reply #293 on: November 02, 2005, 04:57:56 am »
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With Advent Children and all, I could gain to have some fun and experience by playing FF7. But should I do it? I'm afraid I'm going to hate it because Chrono Cross is technically superior; NPCs and some locations in Xenogears, for instance, look bland compared to the richness of Cross. I'm also more inclined to play FF8, since it's a love it or hate it game. I usually come out on the loving side, and since the story is about love, it'd be interesting.

You should play it Zeality, if you have not yet. I'm trying to bring this back on topic. But, if you have time aside from your busy CC lifestyle, play FF7, FF8 and FF9, as they are all very rewarding experiences.

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« Reply #294 on: November 02, 2005, 05:43:59 pm »
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With Advent Children and all, I could gain to have some fun and experience by playing FF7. But should I do it? I'm afraid I'm going to hate it because Chrono Cross is technically superior; NPCs and some locations in Xenogears, for instance, look bland compared to the richness of Cross. I'm also more inclined to play FF8, since it's a love it or hate it game. I usually come out on the loving side, and since the story is about love, it'd be interesting.

You should play it Zeality, if you have not yet. I'm trying to bring this back on topic. But, if you have time aside from your busy CC lifestyle, play FF7, FF8 and FF9, as they are all very rewarding experiences.


And play FFX and X-2, since they have nice things to offer as well. Hell, play every damn Final Fantasy. You should also play the Dragon Warrior/Quest games, the Phantasy Star games, the Shining Force games, the Fire Emblem games (you guys were right, w00t!), the Breath of Fire games, the Star Ocean games, and all the Mana/Secret of games. Because most all of them are really really good.

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« Reply #295 on: November 02, 2005, 06:35:58 pm »
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That's not including all of the other great remakes and ports of older games like River City Ransom, R-Type III, The Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past & Four Swords and Metroid. Then there's Metroid: Fusion and all of the Megaman games (two series: Battle Network & Zero).


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I got sick of Mega Man games a long long time ago.


After recently beating MegaMan: Battle Network (the first & currently working on the second) and playing quite a lot of Megaman: Zero (also the first), I feel inclined to point out that neither are like any of the previous Megaman games.

Zero is the closest of the two, but even it is a new twist on the old concept. Firstly, it seems as though it's set in the world of Megaman X and you play as Zero (big surprise, right?). You go through levels ala Megaman games, but your weapons are very tweaked. You get a buster-type weapon, an energy sword, a kind of energy spear, and an energy shield (everything's energy in the future kids!). Each weapon has different uses and the more you use them, the more they level up and thus each weapon becomes more useful by gaining new abilities. I stopped when I got to the place where there's those damn jumping platforms that disappear and you have to time the jump to the next disappearing platform at the last second...I hate those...but I'll pick it up again after the Battle Network games...

Speaking of the Battle Network games...They're nothing like any of the previous Megaman games at all really. Except that there's a MegaMan (spelt like that) and he has a buster (and there's a Dr. Wily, but no Dr. Light! wtf?!?)...All the rules of gameplay are different. The closest thing I can put it in comparison to would have to be a more real-time Live-a-Live. It's definately one of the most enjoyable games I've played in a good while.

Check both series out even if you've grown tired of Megaman & Megaman X.


On Battle Network..

I am waiting for them to add Quint.EXE.  :lol:

T_T.... I only have one Mega Man game...

Mega Man and Bass. ....D*MN THAT BLOODY DEMON!!!! I couldn't get past  the first place! >_<

.......maybe I should try to get some other mega man games. o.o

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« Reply #296 on: November 02, 2005, 08:11:02 pm »
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I'm trying to bring this back on topic.


I don't think this is possible as, honestly, the topic should be (should have been quite a while ago) locked...I mean, ZeaLitY's not only gotten his answer a few pages over, and not only has he played it, but he's already beaten it, if I'm not mistaken...

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You should also play the Dragon Warrior/Quest games, the Phantasy Star games, the Shining Force games, the Fire Emblem games (you guys were right, w00t!), the Breath of Fire games, the Star Ocean games, and all the Mana/Secret of games. Because most all of them are really really good.


Wow, I thinkyou just managed to suggest almost every popular RPG series except, like, SaGa and Suikoden...:roll:

Well, that's also a funny thing since I just got through Battle Network 2 (I didn't do everything I could have, though...) since Bass is in it...for a little while...

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« Reply #297 on: November 03, 2005, 01:20:37 am »
I forgot Xeno. Shit.

Yeah, I dunno though...I didn't like Saga Frontier II, I didn't play the first one though...they just didn't stick out to me. And I haven't played the Suikoden games, so I can't have an opinion on them.

Oh, also, play Earthbound, dammit! And Lunar Silver Star Story: Complete is amazing.

But really, my point in posting all those were posting about games I liked to some degree, I didn't post games I disliked.

But really, I suppose I should also add most the Zelda games and Landstalker to that list, but those kinda stretch away from the typical RPG thing, so...yeah. I haven't played all of them, like the Wild Arms, Parasite Eves, Vagrant Story (started it, didn't get far), Bahamut Lagoon, Treasure Hunter G (started both those, in Japanese, obviously didn't get far), and the "Tales" games (I played through about half of Phantasia and lost interest). Haven't played Legend of Legaia or Live-a-Live or the Brave Musashi games, or Arc the Lad, or even all the Pokemons...but those are play-one-you've-played-them-all.

Oh, and play Legend of Dragoon and Threads of Fate, two of the most underrated games ever, along with Landstalker!

...sometimes I think I've wasted too much of my life on video games, and I'm probably right o_O Yet I know I still haven't played as many games as most hard-core gamer, since I'm picky with mine and mostly being all RPGs...*shrug*

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« Reply #298 on: November 03, 2005, 02:05:56 am »
I found Pokemon Gold & Silver had moderate changes that effected things dramatically from Red, Blue & Yellow...these changes were changed again for Ruby, Sapphire, & Emerald...I mean, of course any of them in the same series (or Red & Blue to the Fire Red & Leaf Green remakes) of versions is the same, but c'mon, each region had unique differences.

The SaGa games, much like the Dragon Quest games have almost always been character building over story & character development. And, go figure, the SaGa games are more popular in Japan than NA (it's more popular than the Seiken Densetsu series!)...Those crazy bastards. I didn't like either Frontier games...

You also fail to mention Star Ocean.

double-you tee eff

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« Reply #299 on: November 03, 2005, 02:22:53 am »
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You also fail to mention Star Ocean.

double-you tee eff

:P


Er...

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You should also play the Dragon Warrior/Quest games, the Phantasy Star games, the Shining Force games, the Fire Emblem games (you guys were right, w00t!), the Breath of Fire games, the Star Ocean games, and all the Mana/Secret of games. Because most all of them are really really good.


Wow, I thinkyou just managed to suggest almost every popular RPG series except, like, SaGa and Suikoden...


You even quoted me mentioning them, silly.