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Exact quotes from Lucca at the beach:

"As the palace collapsed around her, Princess Schala was sucked into a dimenstional vortex along with the Lavos Mammon Machine."

"Schala and Lavos became unified into one even more powerful entity that would evolve into the Devouer of Time."

And later on Belthasar says that Lavos absorbed or integrated with the Dragon God, long ago in the distant past (still don't understand this)? If Lavos absorbed the Dragon God in the past, how could each individual dragon god and the Dragon God itself still exist in the present?

And during the Time Crash Lavos (when it was still alive?) pulled the Frozen Flame and Chronpolis to 10,000 B. C.; as a safeguard in the event it was defeated...But Chronopolis only exists on the new timeline, after Lavos is defeated. So, how could Lavos possibly do this?

So all I can take away from this is the Mammon Machine was the key to Lavos' revival. Was the machine a part of Lavos somehow? Did it contain the Frozen Flame? And for what purpose did Lavos pull the Frozen Flame and Chronoplis to the past for. How did this help its revival. The only thing that is stated is this "Lavos Mammon Machine" was combined with Schala...

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Re: After 19 years I still don't understand how Lavos resurrected....
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2019, 02:03:53 am »
I think you may need to reread those threads Vehek linked in your previous thread:

https://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=6142.0
https://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=6942.0

As it is. This:

And later on Belthasar says that Lavos absorbed or integrated with the Dragon God, long ago in the distant past (still don't understand this)? If Lavos absorbed the Dragon God in the past, how could each individual dragon god and the Dragon God itself still exist in the present?

And this:

"As the palace collapsed around her, Princess Schala was sucked into a dimenstional vortex along with the Lavos Mammon Machine."

So all I can take away from this is the Mammon Machine was the key to Lavos' revival. Was the machine a part of Lavos somehow? Did it contain the Frozen Flame?

Are things that were added to the English script. They're not part of the original script so they could just be mistakes. It's hard to say since the whole Arbiter thing is also missing from the Japanese script but it's in the Ultimania Guide. So for now... don't take the English script fully at face-value. At least on aspects like these.

And during the Time Crash Lavos (when it was still alive?) pulled the Frozen Flame and Chronpolis to 10,000 B. C.; as a safeguard in the event it was defeated...

And for what purpose did Lavos pull the Frozen Flame and Chronoplis to the past for. How did this help its revival.

Well, the most accepted idea is that Chronopolis' mere prescence could change things enough to disrupt Crono and company's journey through time. How exactly? Hard to say. This is just conjecture; but perhaps it was banking that Chronopolis' prescence would do something like change history so much Crono and company might not be born, as if thinking that could work (man, imagine Lavos thinking temporal paradoxes are a thing when we know they don't). Or something like that. This is just conjecture from my part, I repeat.

Of course, we know that fails since Chronopolis' staff ain't stupid. Even despite deciding to create the El Nido archipielago, since that could create even more changes to the time line, they did their hardest to ensure FATE kept the time line contamination from drastically changing events as they know it.

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Re: After 19 years I still don't understand how Lavos resurrected....
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2019, 03:08:09 am »
Lavos pulled Chronopolis back to change the timeline, but Fate kept it under control. That makes sense. Lavos' plan was prevented by Fates careful planning along with the mind control of its inhabitants and Crono and crew still defeated Lavos unhindered.

What I still don't understand though is how Lavos was actually resurrected into the Time Devouer?
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Re: After 19 years I still don't understand how Lavos resurrected....
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2019, 03:36:47 am »
I haven't gone through everything in the recent threads, but remember, Richard Honeywood claimed to have consulted with Kato in clarifying some things for the English script. What's unclear is which parts that covers.
When I posted those translations, the only interview mentioning this I could find was the one from the FF Compendium (the one with the 2001 date on the interviews page), where he listed a few examples.
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Re: After 19 years I still don't understand how Lavos resurrected....
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2019, 04:21:46 am »
So that's why Fate did what it did: controlling the inhabitants and keeping them from contaminating the timeline. In essence keeping them imprisoned amongst a string of islands, all so Crono and crew could defeat Lavos, uninterrupted?

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Re: After 19 years I still don't understand how Lavos resurrected....
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2019, 12:42:33 pm »
I just don't understand how Lavos could possibly come back? People have said he just opened a temporal shift/portal right as Crono defeated it. But, that doesn't make any sense and is a total cop out. Undermining everything that was done in the first game.

It would have been more plausible it the Frozen Flame evolved into a new Lavos, along with Schala but nowhere in the game is this mentioned. The Frozen Flame just disappears and nothing is seen or heard from it....

I'm just supposed to accept that Lavos just happens to be waiting in the same time vortex Schala fell into and was conveniently able to fuse with her? I don't buy it!

Did Kato write himself into a hole? Trying to give Richard Honeywood more details: Fusion with the Dragon God, Schala fused with the Lavos Mammon  Machine.....Shouldn't we be taking these two accounts as facts to explain Lavos' resurrection?
« Last Edit: June 09, 2019, 01:01:18 pm by legaiaflame »