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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Yet Another Theory on the Rise of Porre
« on: November 29, 2005, 06:41:26 pm »
I think there are things not being considered in the Rise of Porre.

What do we know? We know that somehow the Masamune went from being the holy Lavos slawyin sword, to a cursed evil sword drawing forth deep seated hatreds. There's speculation of Porre having its own military and that would make sense. But a few ideas.

One: We'll say Porre is part of Guardia. Now it could have its own military or it could just have an occupation of soldiers, probably some that were born in Porre.

Two: There was some catalyst that sent Porre into power. Something gave rise. The Dalton Theory suggests that Dalton was sucked foward to the Present and managed to take over. Whether it was Dalton or someone else, it all relates to my idea.

The Masamune's power comes from the weilder. Its been suggested that the Masamune's corruption has something to do with Masa and Mune, but they were only Safeguards. They were only there to make sure that the Sword stayed with the purpose it was supposed to. Obviously they failed somehow. But really, Masa and Mune (and later Doreen) have nothing to do with teh sword's power. That rather comes from the Dreamstone it was made from.

Now what is the Dreamstone famous for? Why is it called Dreamstone? Because its power is to take the potentials within us, our hopes and dreams, our feelings and emotions and translate them into reality, thus giving rise to magic.

Now while the Masamune was in the Frog's possession, Crono's (as the Red knife) and Melechior's, it is regarded as holy and good. Something to stand against evil. Yet it went with Frog back to 600 where he lived to a ripe old age (purely speculation of course Razz ) and the Sword went on. It no doubt was in Guardia's possession.

Now we have four hundred years. Four hundred years of both good and bad men having access to it. Each successive person imbuing it with their own emotions. But there was regularity. But obviously it would have been exposed to negativity. Masa and Mune would be sleeping, believing Lavos done with and their purpose finished. So they wouldn't regulate the power. All it would have taken was the right evil man to come by (hell maybe Yakra masquerading as the Chancellor) to have his feelings transferred over. Hate, malice, cruelty and greed. Now the Sword has had affect on people using it (as apparent with Karsh/Dario scenario). Could the evil feelings led to some political unrest. So the peaceful kingdom of Guardia wasn't so peaceful?

Enter Porre. We have a charismatic and impressive leader (Dalton we'll say but its not dependant on him.) We have him expound the idea that Guardia's time is over and that Porre will stand to correct the problem. Given Dalton is from Zeal, he may have knowledge of the Black Wind which may have lead him to use that name (though thats dependant on Dalton being the leader.)

So Dalton mobilizes against Guardia. Now either he attacks Guardia or he steals the Masamune and attacks. Either way he gets ahold of the sword and so begins the Massacre of 1005.

We have observed Dalton's behavior as being power hungry. Note that the Masamune caused Dario and Radius to both take out threats to them being the top of the Devas. So is it so strange that Dalton got ahold of teh Sword, and his power hungry nature translated, corrupting the Masamune?

After the influence of whoever came before (The False Chancellor for example, and the present King Guardia when he was being a moron) along with Dalton's final massacre and corruption, it would indeed be enough to upset everything Frog, Melechior, and Crono had done, thus making it the Cursed Sword.

A lot of this ties Dalton in. But Dalton isn't needed. Motive for a Dalton-less Porre nation? Well like I said, continued influence of a steadily more and more evil Masamune on Guardia and its higher ups (as it would no doubt be kept in the Castle) would cause political unrest leaving things open for a revolt. Who else but disgruntled Guardia Knights joining the first rebellious leader synthesized with Porre's military (though once again that might not have existed.) As The Guardia military always considered itself honorable and just (more emphasized in 600 AD but no doubt carried on) it is plenty of motive to leave a politically unrest and injust Guardia in favor of Porre, who comes out looking golden.

Other factors in the political unrest? Well the King being put on trial and the subsequent battle in the courthouse (which will have been spread like fire with rumors abound.) The subsequent unrest of whether the King was guilty or not. Things like Crono's scheduled execution (which anybody knowing Crono would know is sham and would mistrust Guardia, and on the inverse, anybody believing Crono evil questioning Crono's pardon.) And the young Fritz, caught with a band of thieves (Radical Dreamers?).

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / The Einlanzer
« on: November 29, 2005, 06:02:32 pm »
Quote from: Chrono'99
Quote from: Zaperking
Ancient Sages means more than one. Hence, it'd mean that Gaspar, Belthasar and Melchior had to have made it. But Dragonite sages could also count. And if for instance both were made out of Dreamstone, them being called brothers would be symbolic, even if they were not indeed crafted by the same person.

Magil clearly says it was created along with the Masamune, so it can only have been made by the same guy(s) who made the Masamune. I doubt it could be Dragonians, they don't even exist in RD. The Dragonians are from CC, a game which was made 4 years after CT (RD was made only 1 year after CT). Square didn't even intend RD to be a sequel to CT when they first started the game development, so it's hard to believe that Masato Kato already had the Dragonians and the whole Project Kid in his mind at that time.

Moreover, don't forget that the Gurus were called Sages in the Japanese version of CT. Belthasar in the American version of CC also states that he was once called the Sage of Reason. Thus I'm inclined to think that this RD quote is a direct reference to Melchior and his comrades.


Well CC was more of an official Sequel. It could very well be in RD that the Einlanzer was created by Melichior. But like has been rehashed over and over again, that isn't neccessarily what happened, except in another dimension.

The Einlanzer being a sister or brother sword makes sense in the Dragonian perpsective. Made as the Dragonian dimension version of the Masamune, they are very well brother/sister swords. I mean, who can say whether the Dragonians didn't have their own Melechior, Gaspar, and Belthasar. We can't really as they didn't have the Kingdom of Zeal and the problem of Lavos. They DID whoever have powers connected directly with the Earth.

If I understand correctly, Dragonians didn't have Dreamstone. And we really don't know what the Einlanzer is made from. It never says in CC. Dreamstone is the obvious choice, but why then does it have seemingly none of the Masamune's qualities? Or has too much good been imbued in it? If so then why wasn't it affected by Garai's vengeful ghost?

It points to perhaps being a relic from the Dragonian's dimension's past, or made after they crossed over (then having access to the Dreamstone.)

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / The Einlanzer
« on: November 28, 2005, 09:47:13 pm »
There's something so immensely bothersome about this. I keep hearing that Melichior made it. As a sister sword to the Masamune. But this doesn't seem right.

The Einlanzer is a drasticallly different sword though. The Masamune absorbs and intensifies the emotions of the user. The Einlanzer seems wholly good and incorruptible.

The Masamune seems a sword more of the Zenan continent and Guardia. Einlanzer seems more suited for the Acacia Dragoons. But then again this might just be through associations.

What really got me thinking though, was the reference in Chrono Cross to the Einlanzer being mentioned in connection with the word dragon or dragonic (can't remember which.)

The Dragonians? Could the Dragonians have made the Einlanzer? Could the Einlanzer be the Dinopolis dimension parallel to the Masamune?

Its just an observation. What exactly connects it to Melechior?

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In Japanese history, wasn't Masamune the name of the guy who first developed the Katana. Thats where the confusion of the Seven swords is coming from. Masamune is referring at once to a Sword, but when it says Masamune made a sword or made war on his brother, it is referring to the smith.

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Articles / The Rise of Porre
« on: November 27, 2005, 05:19:37 pm »
I think there are things not being considered in the Rise of Porre.

What do we know? We know that somehow the Masamune went from being the holy Lavos slawyin sword, to a cursed evil sword drawing forth deep seated hatreds. There's speculation of Porre having its own military and that would make sense. But a few ideas.

One: We'll say Porre is part of Guardia. Now it could have its own military or it could just have an occupation of soldiers, probably some that were born in Porre.

Two: There was some catalyst that sent Porre into power. Something gave rise. The Dalton Theory suggests that Dalton was sucked foward to the Present and managed to take over. Whether it was Dalton or someone else, it all relates to my idea.

The Masamune's power comes from the weilder. Its been suggested that the Masamune's corruption has something to do with Masa and Mune, but they were only Safeguards. They were only there to make sure that the Sword stayed with the purpose it was supposed to. Obviously they failed somehow. But really, Masa and Mune (and later Doreen) have nothing to do with teh sword's power. That rather comes from the Dreamstone it was made from.

Now what is the Dreamstone famous for? Why is it called Dreamstone? Because its power is to take the potentials within us, our hopes and dreams, our feelings and emotions and translate them into reality, thus giving rise to magic.

Now while the Masamune was in the Frog's possession, Crono's (as the Red knife) and Melechior's, it is regarded as holy and good. Something to stand against evil. Yet it went with Frog back to 600 where he lived to a ripe old age (purely speculation of course  :P ) and the Sword went on. It no doubt was in Guardia's possession.

Now we have four hundred years. Four hundred years of both good and bad men having access to it. Each successive person imbuing it with their own emotions. But there was regularity. But obviously it would have been exposed to negativity. Masa and Mune would be sleeping, believing Lavos done with and their purpose finished. So they wouldn't regulate the power. All it would have taken was the right evil man to come by (hell maybe Yakra masquerading as the Chancellor) to have his feelings transferred over. Hate, malice, cruelty and greed. Now the Sword has had affect on people using it (as apparent with Karsh/Dario scenario). Could the evil feelings led to some political unrest. So the peaceful kingdom of Guardia wasn't so peaceful?

Enter Porre. We have a charismatic and impressive leader (Dalton we'll say but its not dependant on him.) We have him expound the idea that Guardia's time is over and that Porre will stand to correct the problem. Given Dalton is from Zeal, he may have knowledge of the Black Wind which may have lead him to use that name (though thats dependant on Dalton being the leader.)

So Dalton mobilizes against Guardia. Now either he attacks Guardia or he steals the Masamune and attacks. Either way he gets ahold of the sword and so begins the Massacre of 1005.

We have observed Dalton's behavior as being power hungry. Note that the Masamune caused Dario and Radius to both take out threats to them being the top of the Devas. So is it so strange that Dalton got ahold of teh Sword, and his power hungry nature translated, corrupting the Masamune?

After the influence of whoever came before (The False Chancellor for example, and the present King Guardia when he was being a moron) along with Dalton's final massacre and corruption, it would indeed be enough to upset everything Frog, Melechior, and Crono had done, thus making it the Cursed Sword.

A lot of this ties Dalton in. But Dalton isn't needed. Motive for a Dalton-less Porre nation? Well like I said, continued influence of a steadily more and more evil Masamune on Guardia and its higher ups (as it would no doubt be kept in the Castle) would cause political unrest leaving things open for a revolt. Who else but disgruntled Guardia Knights joining the first rebellious leader synthesized with Porre's military (though once again that might not have existed.) As The Guardia military always considered itself honorable and just (more emphasized in 600 AD but no doubt carried on) it is plenty of motive to leave a politically unrest and injust Guardia in favor of Porre, who comes out looking golden.

Other factors in the political unrest? Well the King being put on trial and the subsequent battle in the courthouse (which will have been spread like fire with rumors abound.) The subsequent unrest of whether the King was guilty or not. Things like Crono's scheduled execution (which anybody knowing Crono would know is sham and would mistrust Guardia, and on the inverse, anybody believing Crono evil questioning Crono's pardon.) And the young Fritz, caught with a band of thieves (Radical Dreamers?).

Just the thoughts of a gaming obsession.

EDIT:

I was reading the Real World Parallel article and it caught my eye that 1000 A.D. was said to be an eighteenth century kind of place (though with some decidedly post 18th century technology) but when you consider the climate of the eighteenth and seventeenth centuries, one of political reform and revolt, well it seems another good parallel to my theory.

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