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Kajar Laboratories / Need/Want Suggestions 4 2nd Chpt of Magus fanfic
« on: January 22, 2004, 09:40:58 am »
Rough timeline equivalents and story ... ideas:
2300 A.D. - One of the domes. Here he could check out Chronopolis, if it exists, and get the skinny on where Schala's at.
1999 A.D. - Lavos, anyone?
1000 A.D. - Either before 1010 or 1015 A.D., Lucca was scientifically noted for being able to create incomplete Time Eggs, which allow time travel.
600 A.D. - Perhaps one couldn't do much here, except ... meet up with Toma or something, who's also caught wind of the magical kingdom and lives his entire life out trying to find its remains.
12,000 B.C. - Bleh
65,000,000 B.C. - ?
2300 A.D. - One of the domes. Here he could check out Chronopolis, if it exists, and get the skinny on where Schala's at.
1999 A.D. - Lavos, anyone?
1000 A.D. - Either before 1010 or 1015 A.D., Lucca was scientifically noted for being able to create incomplete Time Eggs, which allow time travel.
600 A.D. - Perhaps one couldn't do much here, except ... meet up with Toma or something, who's also caught wind of the magical kingdom and lives his entire life out trying to find its remains.
12,000 B.C. - Bleh
65,000,000 B.C. - ?
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Submissions / Magness, Chapters 1-4
« on: January 22, 2004, 01:08:11 am »
I'm going to go grammar-nazi on it so that it is flawless in the eyes of the English god. Until then...
Excellent. Though I have glanced at various Magus fanfictions, this one certainly has caught my attention; the description of his psychological pain and the tainting of his psyche with regret combine well with the predominant scene of ice in this chapter. I pray that he doesn't end up in an asylum, or some other institution/crappy ending. For his own mother to approve of this quest from beyond the grave is a sign of much important and resolution in a story laden with tragedy and failure. Sweet.
By the way, if it is one year after 12,000 B.C., it would be 11,999 B.C., as B.C. counts down until 1; it is then transferred to A.D. 1, I believe. The founding of Guardia
Excellent. Though I have glanced at various Magus fanfictions, this one certainly has caught my attention; the description of his psychological pain and the tainting of his psyche with regret combine well with the predominant scene of ice in this chapter. I pray that he doesn't end up in an asylum, or some other institution/crappy ending. For his own mother to approve of this quest from beyond the grave is a sign of much important and resolution in a story laden with tragedy and failure. Sweet.
By the way, if it is one year after 12,000 B.C., it would be 11,999 B.C., as B.C. counts down until 1; it is then transferred to A.D. 1, I believe. The founding of Guardia
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Dead Sea Discussion
« on: January 22, 2004, 12:20:12 am »
What point in time is the Dead Sea frozen at?
Dead Sea/FATE Discussion on an AIM Chat, #3
Aitrus, Drumguy074, Fxeni, Radical Dreamer, Ybrik Metaknight, ZeaLitY
Why does Lithosphere Investigation Report #27 exist?
Chaos-Result Theory
This theory relies on a subjective interpretation of Masato Kato's remark that the Dead Sea reflects that the Home World shall probably lead to destruction, and somewhat challenges his earlier statement that the Dead Sea is the exact timeline that Crono averted in Chrono Trigger. It purports that the Dead Sea is a conglomeration of chaos, including fragmented dimensions and timelines, that center around destruction as caused by Lavos, and that these various discontinued space-time splinters are represented throughout the Dead Sea. It asserts that the Lithosphere Investigation Report is simply a fragment from a timeline in which Lavos erupted in 2300 A.D., rather than 1999 A.D.
Commentary
Ybrik Metaknight: In all honesty, I think we should avoid the Chaos theory, because it's too tough to reconcile with everything else in the series.
Fundamental-Access Theory
This theory requires that the Dead Sea be frozen in 2300 A.D. It holds that the Report is simply reporting the date it is accessed when it displays '2300 A.D.' as a header.
Fundamental Access Theory: Belthasar Clause
This clause holds that, in tune with Masato Kato's comment that the Dead Sea is a restoration of the Lavos timeline, the report may have been made by Belthasar in 2300 A.D.
Might it be the same report that is accessed by Crono in the Arris Dome?
Fxeni
It may be, considering it visually displays destruction raining from the heavens by the power of Lavos. Refution comes in the two arguments that the differences between the two reports nullify this notion and that the Arris Dome seemingly only contained the report; however, the Arris Dome did support towers, and it may be buried under the frozen waves that the tower containing the report lies in. The Chaos theory may also suggest that the report is another dimension's form of the Visual Record.
Is Chronopolis literally temporally connected to the future?
The Compendium has given its approval that it certainly is connected, on the terms of this summary.
That Chronopolis is connected to the future due to the nature of the Time Crash, Lavos' involvement, and phenomena surrounding its traveling through time; that Chronopolis wishes to preserve history due to this retaining connection with the future, and that the Dead Sea forms because the future is altered in a way that Chronopolis does not exist.
One may hold that this conflicts with warmgun's generally consistent axiom, 'How Changing the Past Affects Those Time Travelers whose Past Now No Longer Exists,' but Chronopolis' trip through time certainly qualifies as an exception in the regards mentioned in the aforementioned summary.
Dead Sea/FATE Discussion on an AIM Chat, #3
Aitrus, Drumguy074, Fxeni, Radical Dreamer, Ybrik Metaknight, ZeaLitY
Why does Lithosphere Investigation Report #27 exist?
Chaos-Result Theory
This theory relies on a subjective interpretation of Masato Kato's remark that the Dead Sea reflects that the Home World shall probably lead to destruction, and somewhat challenges his earlier statement that the Dead Sea is the exact timeline that Crono averted in Chrono Trigger. It purports that the Dead Sea is a conglomeration of chaos, including fragmented dimensions and timelines, that center around destruction as caused by Lavos, and that these various discontinued space-time splinters are represented throughout the Dead Sea. It asserts that the Lithosphere Investigation Report is simply a fragment from a timeline in which Lavos erupted in 2300 A.D., rather than 1999 A.D.
Commentary
Ybrik Metaknight: In all honesty, I think we should avoid the Chaos theory, because it's too tough to reconcile with everything else in the series.
Fundamental-Access Theory
This theory requires that the Dead Sea be frozen in 2300 A.D. It holds that the Report is simply reporting the date it is accessed when it displays '2300 A.D.' as a header.
Fundamental Access Theory: Belthasar Clause
This clause holds that, in tune with Masato Kato's comment that the Dead Sea is a restoration of the Lavos timeline, the report may have been made by Belthasar in 2300 A.D.
Might it be the same report that is accessed by Crono in the Arris Dome?
Fxeni
It may be, considering it visually displays destruction raining from the heavens by the power of Lavos. Refution comes in the two arguments that the differences between the two reports nullify this notion and that the Arris Dome seemingly only contained the report; however, the Arris Dome did support towers, and it may be buried under the frozen waves that the tower containing the report lies in. The Chaos theory may also suggest that the report is another dimension's form of the Visual Record.
Is Chronopolis literally temporally connected to the future?
The Compendium has given its approval that it certainly is connected, on the terms of this summary.
That Chronopolis is connected to the future due to the nature of the Time Crash, Lavos' involvement, and phenomena surrounding its traveling through time; that Chronopolis wishes to preserve history due to this retaining connection with the future, and that the Dead Sea forms because the future is altered in a way that Chronopolis does not exist.
One may hold that this conflicts with warmgun's generally consistent axiom, 'How Changing the Past Affects Those Time Travelers whose Past Now No Longer Exists,' but Chronopolis' trip through time certainly qualifies as an exception in the regards mentioned in the aforementioned summary.
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Site Updates / Compendium Daily Chats
« on: January 21, 2004, 11:38:53 pm »
A few Chrono Compendium members are holding chats usually on weekday nights around 9 P.M. central to 11 P.M. Currently, we're discussing several mysteries of the Dead Sea; our findings can be found in that thread. Contact ZeaLitY for the room name; use the AOL address found in his forum profile: here.
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Dead Sea Discussion
« on: January 21, 2004, 01:10:08 am »
It is installed after Lavos is defeated, in the best endings. Leene's Bell remains in place, observed by the various comments in 1000 A.D. about it.
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Dead Sea Discussion
« on: January 21, 2004, 12:52:41 am »
Dead Sea/FATE Discussion on an AIM Chat, #2
Aitrus, GrayLensman, Fxeni, ZeaLitY
What caused the Tower of Geddon to form?
The Dead Sea is a conglomeration of the averted timeline that is destroyed by Lavos, condensed into the Dead Sea, and possibly other disjointed fragments of spacetime; it is also believed to be a sort of shell of Chronopolis, destroyed during the split into Another and Home. This is supported by '2400 A.D.' appearing on the tower.
Problems arise in Nadia's Bell. Though Masato Kato remarked the timeline present is indeed the one in which Lavos was not destroyed, Nadia's Bell, a direct product of the death of Lavos, is present. One must rely on the 'disjointed time fragments' addition to account for its presence. Also in question is the Lithosphere Investigation Report, done in 2300 A.D. and unsuitable for either timeline.
Radical Dreamer proposes that the bell was to be built anyway after the fair, and that it is foolish to have a bell built in one day; Taban's bell in 600 A.D. required a long amount of time to complete.
Why does Serge's living in Home World mirror destruction in the future?
Most theories on this subject rely on muddled quantum physics with little root in the series, or using the butterfly effect of chaos, perhaps citing that Serge's waves in time manifest themselves to ruin the events of Chrono Trigger.
Armageddon-Branch Theory
GrayLensman
Crono could not have defeated Lavos in Home World. The event which spares Serge's life also creates a plurality of dimensions from 1010 onwards. Since there is only one Crono in 1000 AD to defeat Lavos, only the future in Another World is saved.
Further Explanation
In the original timeline (Another World) Serge dies in 1010 AD, but Kid changes the past, somehow creating an alternate dimension in which Serge lives (Home World). Another World always existed; it is the original dimension, but Home World only extends from 1010 AD onwards. In 1000 AD, Crono exists in Another World. If he travels through time, he can only reach a destination within his own dimension. When Crono defeats Lavos in 1999 AD, or any other time, the battle takes place in Another World. In 1000 AD, there is only one version of Crono. If Crono lived past 1010 AD, there would be a version for each dimension, but that version did not travel through time to defeat Lavos. In Home World, no savior appears in 1999 AD to save the future. Serge caused the destruction of the world by spawning an alternate dimension which is beyond 1000 AD Crono's notice or reach. He does not undo any of Crono's actions. In Another World, the future is secure, at least until the Time Devourer arrives. There cannot be multiple Crono groups because there is only one dimension in 1000 AD!
Commentary
ZeaLitY: This theory is seemingly flawless. Crono predates the dimensional split, and his actions are thus consolidated in the natural timeline which he created -- Keystone 2. The Home Dimension is labeled an anomaly, and since it is not the natural flow of time as Another Dimension is, its future is not shielded from the events of Crono, which were carried out privately in his own timeline. Another Timeline was essentially part of Keystone T-2 until 1020 A.D.; that is when Kid went back and saved Serge to create the Home Timeline. Thus Another Timeline is the true strain, and thus is protected from complications and changes.
Other theories shall be reviewed by the Compendium hereafter; in a preliminary check, I found that most were strikingly flawed in some degree or entailed vast complications.
Aitrus, GrayLensman, Fxeni, ZeaLitY
What caused the Tower of Geddon to form?
The Dead Sea is a conglomeration of the averted timeline that is destroyed by Lavos, condensed into the Dead Sea, and possibly other disjointed fragments of spacetime; it is also believed to be a sort of shell of Chronopolis, destroyed during the split into Another and Home. This is supported by '2400 A.D.' appearing on the tower.
Problems arise in Nadia's Bell. Though Masato Kato remarked the timeline present is indeed the one in which Lavos was not destroyed, Nadia's Bell, a direct product of the death of Lavos, is present. One must rely on the 'disjointed time fragments' addition to account for its presence. Also in question is the Lithosphere Investigation Report, done in 2300 A.D. and unsuitable for either timeline.
Radical Dreamer proposes that the bell was to be built anyway after the fair, and that it is foolish to have a bell built in one day; Taban's bell in 600 A.D. required a long amount of time to complete.
Why does Serge's living in Home World mirror destruction in the future?
Most theories on this subject rely on muddled quantum physics with little root in the series, or using the butterfly effect of chaos, perhaps citing that Serge's waves in time manifest themselves to ruin the events of Chrono Trigger.
Armageddon-Branch Theory
GrayLensman
Crono could not have defeated Lavos in Home World. The event which spares Serge's life also creates a plurality of dimensions from 1010 onwards. Since there is only one Crono in 1000 AD to defeat Lavos, only the future in Another World is saved.
Further Explanation
In the original timeline (Another World) Serge dies in 1010 AD, but Kid changes the past, somehow creating an alternate dimension in which Serge lives (Home World). Another World always existed; it is the original dimension, but Home World only extends from 1010 AD onwards. In 1000 AD, Crono exists in Another World. If he travels through time, he can only reach a destination within his own dimension. When Crono defeats Lavos in 1999 AD, or any other time, the battle takes place in Another World. In 1000 AD, there is only one version of Crono. If Crono lived past 1010 AD, there would be a version for each dimension, but that version did not travel through time to defeat Lavos. In Home World, no savior appears in 1999 AD to save the future. Serge caused the destruction of the world by spawning an alternate dimension which is beyond 1000 AD Crono's notice or reach. He does not undo any of Crono's actions. In Another World, the future is secure, at least until the Time Devourer arrives. There cannot be multiple Crono groups because there is only one dimension in 1000 AD!
Commentary
ZeaLitY: This theory is seemingly flawless. Crono predates the dimensional split, and his actions are thus consolidated in the natural timeline which he created -- Keystone 2. The Home Dimension is labeled an anomaly, and since it is not the natural flow of time as Another Dimension is, its future is not shielded from the events of Crono, which were carried out privately in his own timeline. Another Timeline was essentially part of Keystone T-2 until 1020 A.D.; that is when Kid went back and saved Serge to create the Home Timeline. Thus Another Timeline is the true strain, and thus is protected from complications and changes.
Other theories shall be reviewed by the Compendium hereafter; in a preliminary check, I found that most were strikingly flawed in some degree or entailed vast complications.
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Site Updates / Axioms & Corollaries Released
« on: January 20, 2004, 05:39:14 pm »
Arguably the most confusing aspects of the Chrono series to fans are the instances of temporal and dimensional travel within the series. What governs time displacement, and are the assumed principles behind these notions consistent throughout the games? A few months ago, warmgun of the Chrono Compendium set out to pinpoint these principles, and the Compendium followed in the spirit of Gaspar, who offered such an 'axiom' to Crono upon his first arrival at the End of Time. Long in the making, this article displays that the mechanics are indeed true, even between Trigger and Cross, and that they can be expressed mathematically.
On The Axioms & Corollaries Governing Temporal Transforms
On The Axioms & Corollaries Governing Temporal Transforms
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Would Chronopolis ever be possible again?
« on: January 20, 2004, 01:01:28 am »
I believe the issue now does not matter. From an AIM chat, we reiterated that FATE wishes no interruptions to occur in history. Thus, even if another Frozen Flame existed (actually, they are the same, though one is back in time), FATE could not seek it or probably utilize it, as this would cause massive disruptions in time.
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Dead Sea Discussion
« on: January 20, 2004, 12:53:13 am »
Dead Sea/FATE Discussion on an AIM Chat #1
GrayLensman, Aitrus, ZeaLitY, Ybrik Metaknight, Radical Dreamer, JustinS1985, Drumguy074
I. Is Serge targeted by FATE due to his obstruction to the Flame or suggested apocalypse caused somehow in the future by his existence?
A. Arbiter Dilemma
'FATE desires to have Serge killed for the express purpose of regaining access to the Frozen Flame.'
This possibly alludes to Serge as being such an obstacle, and also explains why he was not targeted earlier by FATE; only after he was designated Arbiter was death sought.
i. Would his death allow access once more to the Flame or prove it harder to be obtained, considering the Arbiter is dead and unable to produce vital signs?
a. Allow access once more
If Arbiter status is granted at death, FATE's motive for killing Serge would be simple and understandable, and also have the effect of allowing Chronopolis to continue existing normally until the future. This would have the interesting effect of allowing Belthasar to restart the Time Crash, and give Serge a second chance at things; perhaps this was a backup to Project Kid. Though the Flame being denied to FATE might be a prerequisite for Serge to complete his mission, if he should die, regaining control of the Flame would serve as a backup plan.
b. Deny access altogether
In light of a, this seems somewhat unlikely, though it is suggested heavily that one must be alive to access the Flame-
B. Future Destruction Prevention
'FATE desires to have Serge killed in order to prevent the situation seen in the Dead Sea.'
This is negated somewhat by the apparent lack of interest in Serge in his early life. Support for this theory is limited because of this.
GrayLensman, Aitrus, ZeaLitY, Ybrik Metaknight, Radical Dreamer, JustinS1985, Drumguy074
I. Is Serge targeted by FATE due to his obstruction to the Flame or suggested apocalypse caused somehow in the future by his existence?
A. Arbiter Dilemma
'FATE desires to have Serge killed for the express purpose of regaining access to the Frozen Flame.'
Quote from: Marle
Ten years ago, it was Lynx who tried to kill you at this beach. After Prometheus broke the link between FATE and the Flame, FATE tried to eliminate any obstacle that stood in its way!
This possibly alludes to Serge as being such an obstacle, and also explains why he was not targeted earlier by FATE; only after he was designated Arbiter was death sought.
i. Would his death allow access once more to the Flame or prove it harder to be obtained, considering the Arbiter is dead and unable to produce vital signs?
a. Allow access once more
If Arbiter status is granted at death, FATE's motive for killing Serge would be simple and understandable, and also have the effect of allowing Chronopolis to continue existing normally until the future. This would have the interesting effect of allowing Belthasar to restart the Time Crash, and give Serge a second chance at things; perhaps this was a backup to Project Kid. Though the Flame being denied to FATE might be a prerequisite for Serge to complete his mission, if he should die, regaining control of the Flame would serve as a backup plan.
b. Deny access altogether
In light of a, this seems somewhat unlikely, though it is suggested heavily that one must be alive to access the Flame-
Quote from: Scanner
Scanner: Analyzing... Please stand by. .........Analysis complete. Fingerprints, retina, and C class DNA all clear. Data discrepancy due to aging within permissible range. 96% confirmation that this individual is the last registered arbiter. Access granted. Welcome back, Chrono Trigger.
B. Future Destruction Prevention
'FATE desires to have Serge killed in order to prevent the situation seen in the Dead Sea.'
This is negated somewhat by the apparent lack of interest in Serge in his early life. Support for this theory is limited because of this.
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / True nature of Dreamstone
« on: January 18, 2004, 09:14:01 pm »
Gaspar calls it a prehistoric mineral. Does this have any relevance?
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Articles / On The Axioms, Corollaries Governing Temporal Transforms
« on: January 18, 2004, 06:31:32 pm »
On The Axioms & Corollaries Governing Temporal Transforms
by the Chrono Compendium
The Chrono series is composed of an infinite number of dimensions that are all a matter of possibility. Time travel conducted within dimensions and there effects thereof are limited to the parent dimension, except in certain cases. These are supported by the following:
On what we shall limit our concern to, and on the basic reasons for certain dimensions existing:
Relevant Dimensions Theory
ZeaLitY
When considering the Chronopolis computer's statement -- that in other timelines, Lavos's data (or implications) in spacetime were extremely volatile -- the others can be regarded as fragmentary, incomplete, or otherwise possible but nonexistent and unrelated dimensions; the only we should truly focus on and recognize as existent are those seen from the perception of the Keystone Dimension; if other worlds are to be viewed, then let us go by the Chronopolis statement -- the world is only stabilized by the viewpoint of the one who observes it -- and base our vantagepoint in this dimension, home to the series and for all intents and purposes, complete. This stated, I propose that dimensionally, Home/Another splitting was caused by Kid's time traveling and the gravity of Serge's life/death on the continued existence of reality, and the splitting of Prehistory into the Reptite Dimension and Keystone Dimension was a matter of possibility, as stated by Chronopolis; that the Reptite Dimension is simply the most logical choice by which the planet pulled a counterbalance for Chronopolis from; finally, that the Radical Dreamers Dimension is another matter of possibility and does not directly stem from the Keystone Dimension.
Support:
Computer in Chronopolis: ...However,
in the distant past humans could have been defeated in the contest of evolution, and the Reptites could have continued to develop... It is not unthinkable that such a time line could exist in other dimensions. Everything is purely a problem of possibilities, and the world is only stabilized by the viewpoint of the one who observes it.
Computer in Chronopolis: All the data on Lavos that was obtained from tracing different parallel world possibilities has proven to be volatile, with fluctuating discrepencies.
Third Party Member: Radical Dreamers...!? What does this mean?
Second Party Member: ...... This seems to be an archive from a different time than our own.
Third Party Member: Aside from the two worlds we already know about... other worlds and times may
also exist...
On time traveling being limited to parent dimensions, known as the Singular Worlds Theory
warmgun: (The Tesseract's) existence proves that timelines do, in fact, disappear. If timelines disappear, then dimension creation is not an insignificant event. Every change (in time) does not lead to a new dimension. If it did, then the Tesseract would have no use. I believe the time mechanincs in Chrono Trigger are exactly as they appear and aren't the illusion of time travel via dimensional travel. Singular worlds all the way. The Time Devourer was going to destroy all of reality, correct? That was the impression I was under. Under the Singular Worlds theory, there aren't an infinite number of dimensions. So perhaps its not such an absurd task after all.
Note: There are an infinite number of dimensions; however, the Singular Worlds Theory proposes that time traveling does not cause new dimensions with every instance of change.
GrayLensman: I agree, warmgun, but there are other dimensions (Dragonian, Radical Dreamers, etc.), possibly an infinite number. With singular worlds, these other space times would not have fissioned off the main Chrono dimension due to time travel or random chance. They originated from separate creation events (big bang?) and developed independently of each other. Different initial conditions and chaotic randomness would account for the variation between these worlds.
Aitrus:
That could be the best explanation. Let us assume that the Chrono Universe works on the Singular worlds theory. However, at the beginning of the universe, the quantum indeterminancy would be so great as to cause the formation of many universes, one of which eventually becomes the Chrono universe, while others become the various others like the RD world and the Reptite Universe. Since a big bang causing infinite universes would allow for many to be very similar to each other, this would allow for the similarities between these and "ours," while also allowing us to have a world bounded by the Singular World theory.
ZeaLitY: If new dimensions were created with every instance of time traveling, the series would lose much purpose and meaning. Also, the game suggests, as warmgun alluded, that in truth only two timelines existed after the events of Chrono Trigger, which incorporate several instances of time travel. One may reason that everything in between the start (world before Crono entered the Millennial Fair) and end (the defeat of Lavos) are bastard dimensions and aren't allowed existence; whether this is true or not, it has no real effect and confirms Singular Worlds; it can thus be disregarded.
These are the known dimensions:
http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/Articles/dimensions2.png
Lastly, in regard to dimensions, we have the following axioms:
On the formation of Angelus Errare points and the resulting possibility of dimensional travel therein
ZeaLitY
If event X at point Y in dimension Z causes a dimension Z' to form, travel between dimensions will be most probably at point Y in dimension Z or Y' in Z'.
Missing Piece Theorem
ZeaLitY
If item X causes dimension Y to split and form Y' at point Z in space, and item X does not exist in Y but retains existence in Y', item X will feel pressure to enter Y if X is in close proximity to point Z'.
On the ability of non-missing pieces to travel dimensions
ZeaLitY
If item X, a missing piece, travels dimensions at an Angelus Errare point, accompanying persons must maintain close proximity to also be transferred.
Under dimensions, we have the rules of time travel itself. First let us establish the known timelines:
http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/timelines2-warmgun.png
The following principles govern time travel in various aspects.
Principle of Discarded Timelines
GrayLensman
Whenever a timeline is altered by a time traveler, a new timeline is created as a result of these changes. The original timeline from that point onward is sent into the Darkness Beyond Time, a realm of frozen non-existense containing all discarded timelines.
Support:
ZeaLitY: This is how the Dead Sea operates; the timeline after 1999 AD in which Lavos destroyed the world was ressurrected upon the nullification of Crono's quest. Likewise, this expounds upon the notion of those who suffer a change to time not having any memory of the past timeline; the last timeline is discarded, a new is created.
Time Bastard Theorem
ZeaLitY, GrayLensman
Suppose an entity X exists on timeline Y.
If X time travels from time A to time B, such that B < A; for time > B, Y is sent into the DBT, and Y' is created, containing X'.
For time > A, two identical entities X and X' will exist in Y'.
Conservation of Energy requires that only one entity X or X' exist.
Therefore, X' will be expunged from Y' at time A, and sent into the DBT.
Conservation of Time Theorem
Gaspar
When 4 or more beings step into a time warp, the Conservation of Time theorem states that they will turn up... ...at the space-time coordinates of least resistance. Here. [End of Time]
Support:
When Crono, Marle, Lucca, and Robo travel through an Entity-made Gate, they arrive at the End of Time.
ZeaLitY: Note that this applies to Entity-made Gates only. The warp effect at Magus' Lair brought about by Lavos did not send Crono's party and Magus to the End of Time, and likewise the Ocean Palace disaster disperses several beings through time-
65000000 BC: Nu at Laruba Ruins
600 AD: Janus
1000 AD: Melchior
2300 AD: Belthasar
End of Time: Gaspar
How Changing the Past Affects Those in the Present and Future
warmgun
If a certain time, X, is altered to to become a new time, X', due to new events in a prior time, Y, where Y<X, every person in time X' will have no recollection of time X or that time X ever existed. This rule applies to EVERYONE in time X when the change occurs, including time travelers who happen to be at time X.
Support:
TandeM: For example, the collected population of the 1000 A.D. CT world doesn't flip out when the Black Omen suddenly "appears" in their time, rather, they seem surprised in the least to a giant fortress hovering in the sky.
ZeaLitY: This also may prove true for dimensional edits; the residents of the merged/split dimensions would have no recollection of the split or subsequent resealing. Perhaps this is why Serge forgets the events of Cross, though this would conflict with the ability of time travelers to remember the state of the world before their own changing actions are brought.
Determining the Destination of Time Travel via Epoch and Time Gates
warmgun, TheUnknowuser_
Time Gates and Epoch have the unique ability of knowing a person's personal time. These things know how long a person has spent in certain times. These devices work under the following principle:
“At time X, a person enters Epoch and chooses a certain time, Y, on Epoch's dial, where |X-Y| = Z. In time Y, the person stays for a certain duration, T so now Y=Y+T. When he chooses time X from Epoch's dial, it does not take him to time X. It takes him to time Y+Z. So the total amount of time this person just traveled from time Y is Z. This quantity, Z, is constant. Likewise, when this person enters a time gate, the same rules apply. The only difference is that Z cannot be chosen from a dial, it is inherent to the time gate and is constant.”
Granted, this may seem overly technical, but it provides great insight. For example, this rule proves that time MUST flow a the End of Time. While Epoch has it listed as infinity(inf), the time gates and Epoch treat time travel to and from it as inf-Z and inf+Z. In other words, time flows.
Support:
TandeM: Consider that when making a return visit to an era, any effects wrought on it still pertain. Let's take the sequence of events in 12000 B.C.
-Crono and co. arrive in 12000 B.C. via timegate for first time
-The party spends time T completing the initial quest (up until they are banished and Schala seals the gate). The time is now -12000+T years.
-The party spends time U in the quest for the Epoch. When they use it to warp to 12000 B.C., they aren't actually taken to -12000 years, they're taken to -12000+T+U years!
If they simply went to -12000 years, the gate wouldn't have been sealed yet, and the warp pods would still work. But since the effects of the previous trip to 12000 B.C. still pertain, it follows that the party re-arrives in a time after that trip.
(Think of the consequences if this weren't true. For one, Queen Leene would need rescuing upon every trip to 600 A.D. In fact, Crono and co. would have to start from scratch every time they revisited a time period!)
This axiom formerly operated on a variable known as 'T'. Reasoning behind Unk's revising and mostly eliminating T:
TheUnknow_user: Think on the first trip to 600AD: Marle warps to 600AD. Then, a few minutes later, Chrono goes too and later on (some hours, I think) Lucca enters the gate, right? So, we have three DIFFERENT personal times to each character, because Marle spent more time in 600AD than Chrono, and Chrono spent more time than Lucca (Marle > Chrono > Lucca)
When they came back to 1000AD Lucca should arrive first, later on should arrive Chrono and then Marle (because T is different for each one), but we see them arriving at the same time . So, the time gates only works with the Z variant that, we know, is constant:
The gate in Leene Square goes 400 years in the past or (the gate on 600AD goes 400 years in the future) so, Z=400.
At any point in time, if you enter to the gate, it’ll always take you to X-Z or X+Z instead of X±Z+T because T doesn’t have any relevance to the gate.
ie. You are in 1004 AD. You take the gate in Leene Square. That gate won’t take you to 600AD because Z=400, X-Z=Y => 1004-400=604, Y=604 <= you’ll arrive in this year. Now, say you stay there 3 years (why? I don’t know) so now X=607. lets go inside the gate!: X+Z=Y => 607+400=1007, Y=1007 <= you arrive in this year. Note that the gate doesn’t remembers your “personal time” (T), it only applies the Z variant (that is constant) to the actual time period.
Flow Principle
ZeaLitY
In timeline X, if event Y shall rewrite certain events to form X', even if event Y surely shall occur, time must flow until reaching Z, the time of Y's occurrence, until X can be rewritten to X'.
Support:
TandeM: Let's make this simple and apply it to the Ocean Palace incident.
Timeline X = 1000 A.D.
X' = 1000 A.D. w/Black Omen
Event Y = Ocean Palace disaster, raising of Black Omen
Z = Time of Ocean Palace disaster (12000 B.C.)
So, to rephrase:
Due to the Ocean Palace disaster, the 1000 A.D. timeline is rewritten to include the hovering Black Omen. The rising of the Omen is unpreventable in the "correct" version of the plot (the one that nets New Game+ and the normal ending), but until the Ocean Palace disaster actually occurs in 12000 B.C., the Omen does not appear in the other time periods.
We can make another example out of Ending #1:
Timeline X = Ruined 2300 A.D.
X' = Bright and Happy 2300 A.D.
Event Y = Defeat of Lavos
Z = Time of Lavos' fall - 1999 A.D. (You could argue 12,000 B.C., or say that Lavos exists in some kind of pocket dimension, or that it's a temporal anamoly... but as long as it's before 2300 A.D. we're good.)
Crono and co. defeat Lavos in 1999 A.D., averting the apocalypse and making the future bright and happy. While its defeat is predestined in CT's course of events, until Lavos has actually been vanquished, the ruined 2300 A.D. future still exists.
Reletavistic Time Flow Principle
GrayLensman
The rate of time in each time period should not be the same. Relativistic effects produced by changes in the earth and sun's velocity would result in minute time dilations. Thus, each time period would have its own relative time rate, dependent on relativistic factors.
This introduces a further complexity to the "Determining the Destination of Time Travel" axiom. Time Gate apertures and Epoch destinations follow the natural flow of time in their era, but since the time rate of each time period is unique, there would be a discrepancy in the translation of both ends of a Gate into the future.
For example, if Crono were to warp from 1000 AD to 400 years in the past, the time he spent in 600 AD is not necessarily the same as the time he was away from 1000 AD. Luckily, Crono could not return to 1000 AD before he left, so there is no worry about causality.
For most time periods this discrepancy should be very small, perhaps on the order of seconds. However, 65 million BC might experience a significant time dilation.
Support:
Aitrus: Motion and mass have affects on the speed of time. As a simple example, a ball bounced on a train takes longer to bounce to someone on the station platform than to someone on the train with it.
GrayLensman: Crono could never return to 1000 AD before he left, so there is no worry about causality.
How Changing the Past Affects Those Time Travelers whose Past Now No Longer Exists
warmgun
Assume there is a man that by a time, X, has experienced a certain set of events, {E1, E2, E3, E4...E(inf)}. Assume an event, E4, occurs at a time Y. Suppose the man travels to a time T, where T<Y. If time is altered at a time A, where T<A<Y, so as to eliminate E4, the man remains exactly the same as though the time change at A never happened and the causal effects leading the man to time T remain.
Support:
warmgun: Crono takes the jerky to the Porre mayor of 600AD to make his 1000AD counterpart give up the sun stone. So Crono's past now reflows through the new timeline. Crono has no need to go to the past now to give the 600AD mayor the jerkey because his 1000AD descendent is now generous and gives him the sun stone. If Crono doesn't go back, the 600AD mayor won't get the jerkey. The grandfather paradox is conveniently brushed aside.
Crono defeats Lavos in 1999AD, making the future bright and happy. In this new timeline, Crono's past is now forced to reflow. The future he must warp to now is not derelict and ruined. So does he still find an Epoch just waiting for him there? There won't be one, so he can't do half the stuff he's supposed to in order to kill Lavos!
You can take this idea and apply it to nearly every single instance of changing time in the game!
~
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The Chrono series is composed of an infinite number of dimensions that are all a matter of possibility. Time travel conducted within dimensions and there effects thereof are limited to the parent dimension, except in certain cases. These are supported by the following:
On what we shall limit our concern to, and on the basic reasons for certain dimensions existing:
Relevant Dimensions Theory
ZeaLitY
When considering the Chronopolis computer's statement -- that in other timelines, Lavos's data (or implications) in spacetime were extremely volatile -- the others can be regarded as fragmentary, incomplete, or otherwise possible but nonexistent and unrelated dimensions; the only we should truly focus on and recognize as existent are those seen from the perception of the Keystone Dimension; if other worlds are to be viewed, then let us go by the Chronopolis statement -- the world is only stabilized by the viewpoint of the one who observes it -- and base our vantagepoint in this dimension, home to the series and for all intents and purposes, complete. This stated, I propose that dimensionally, Home/Another splitting was caused by Kid's time traveling and the gravity of Serge's life/death on the continued existence of reality, and the splitting of Prehistory into the Reptite Dimension and Keystone Dimension was a matter of possibility, as stated by Chronopolis; that the Reptite Dimension is simply the most logical choice by which the planet pulled a counterbalance for Chronopolis from; finally, that the Radical Dreamers Dimension is another matter of possibility and does not directly stem from the Keystone Dimension.
Support:
Computer in Chronopolis: ...However,
in the distant past humans could have been defeated in the contest of evolution, and the Reptites could have continued to develop... It is not unthinkable that such a time line could exist in other dimensions. Everything is purely a problem of possibilities, and the world is only stabilized by the viewpoint of the one who observes it.
Computer in Chronopolis: All the data on Lavos that was obtained from tracing different parallel world possibilities has proven to be volatile, with fluctuating discrepencies.
Third Party Member: Radical Dreamers...!? What does this mean?
Second Party Member: ...... This seems to be an archive from a different time than our own.
Third Party Member: Aside from the two worlds we already know about... other worlds and times may
also exist...
On time traveling being limited to parent dimensions, known as the Singular Worlds Theory
warmgun: (The Tesseract's) existence proves that timelines do, in fact, disappear. If timelines disappear, then dimension creation is not an insignificant event. Every change (in time) does not lead to a new dimension. If it did, then the Tesseract would have no use. I believe the time mechanincs in Chrono Trigger are exactly as they appear and aren't the illusion of time travel via dimensional travel. Singular worlds all the way. The Time Devourer was going to destroy all of reality, correct? That was the impression I was under. Under the Singular Worlds theory, there aren't an infinite number of dimensions. So perhaps its not such an absurd task after all.
Note: There are an infinite number of dimensions; however, the Singular Worlds Theory proposes that time traveling does not cause new dimensions with every instance of change.
GrayLensman: I agree, warmgun, but there are other dimensions (Dragonian, Radical Dreamers, etc.), possibly an infinite number. With singular worlds, these other space times would not have fissioned off the main Chrono dimension due to time travel or random chance. They originated from separate creation events (big bang?) and developed independently of each other. Different initial conditions and chaotic randomness would account for the variation between these worlds.
Aitrus:
That could be the best explanation. Let us assume that the Chrono Universe works on the Singular worlds theory. However, at the beginning of the universe, the quantum indeterminancy would be so great as to cause the formation of many universes, one of which eventually becomes the Chrono universe, while others become the various others like the RD world and the Reptite Universe. Since a big bang causing infinite universes would allow for many to be very similar to each other, this would allow for the similarities between these and "ours," while also allowing us to have a world bounded by the Singular World theory.
ZeaLitY: If new dimensions were created with every instance of time traveling, the series would lose much purpose and meaning. Also, the game suggests, as warmgun alluded, that in truth only two timelines existed after the events of Chrono Trigger, which incorporate several instances of time travel. One may reason that everything in between the start (world before Crono entered the Millennial Fair) and end (the defeat of Lavos) are bastard dimensions and aren't allowed existence; whether this is true or not, it has no real effect and confirms Singular Worlds; it can thus be disregarded.
These are the known dimensions:
http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/Articles/dimensions2.png
Lastly, in regard to dimensions, we have the following axioms:
On the formation of Angelus Errare points and the resulting possibility of dimensional travel therein
ZeaLitY
If event X at point Y in dimension Z causes a dimension Z' to form, travel between dimensions will be most probably at point Y in dimension Z or Y' in Z'.
Missing Piece Theorem
ZeaLitY
If item X causes dimension Y to split and form Y' at point Z in space, and item X does not exist in Y but retains existence in Y', item X will feel pressure to enter Y if X is in close proximity to point Z'.
On the ability of non-missing pieces to travel dimensions
ZeaLitY
If item X, a missing piece, travels dimensions at an Angelus Errare point, accompanying persons must maintain close proximity to also be transferred.
Under dimensions, we have the rules of time travel itself. First let us establish the known timelines:
http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/timelines2-warmgun.png
The following principles govern time travel in various aspects.
Principle of Discarded Timelines
GrayLensman
Whenever a timeline is altered by a time traveler, a new timeline is created as a result of these changes. The original timeline from that point onward is sent into the Darkness Beyond Time, a realm of frozen non-existense containing all discarded timelines.
Support:
ZeaLitY: This is how the Dead Sea operates; the timeline after 1999 AD in which Lavos destroyed the world was ressurrected upon the nullification of Crono's quest. Likewise, this expounds upon the notion of those who suffer a change to time not having any memory of the past timeline; the last timeline is discarded, a new is created.
Time Bastard Theorem
ZeaLitY, GrayLensman
Suppose an entity X exists on timeline Y.
If X time travels from time A to time B, such that B < A; for time > B, Y is sent into the DBT, and Y' is created, containing X'.
For time > A, two identical entities X and X' will exist in Y'.
Conservation of Energy requires that only one entity X or X' exist.
Therefore, X' will be expunged from Y' at time A, and sent into the DBT.
Conservation of Time Theorem
Gaspar
When 4 or more beings step into a time warp, the Conservation of Time theorem states that they will turn up... ...at the space-time coordinates of least resistance. Here. [End of Time]
Support:
When Crono, Marle, Lucca, and Robo travel through an Entity-made Gate, they arrive at the End of Time.
ZeaLitY: Note that this applies to Entity-made Gates only. The warp effect at Magus' Lair brought about by Lavos did not send Crono's party and Magus to the End of Time, and likewise the Ocean Palace disaster disperses several beings through time-
65000000 BC: Nu at Laruba Ruins
600 AD: Janus
1000 AD: Melchior
2300 AD: Belthasar
End of Time: Gaspar
How Changing the Past Affects Those in the Present and Future
warmgun
If a certain time, X, is altered to to become a new time, X', due to new events in a prior time, Y, where Y<X, every person in time X' will have no recollection of time X or that time X ever existed. This rule applies to EVERYONE in time X when the change occurs, including time travelers who happen to be at time X.
Support:
TandeM: For example, the collected population of the 1000 A.D. CT world doesn't flip out when the Black Omen suddenly "appears" in their time, rather, they seem surprised in the least to a giant fortress hovering in the sky.
ZeaLitY: This also may prove true for dimensional edits; the residents of the merged/split dimensions would have no recollection of the split or subsequent resealing. Perhaps this is why Serge forgets the events of Cross, though this would conflict with the ability of time travelers to remember the state of the world before their own changing actions are brought.
Determining the Destination of Time Travel via Epoch and Time Gates
warmgun, TheUnknowuser_
Time Gates and Epoch have the unique ability of knowing a person's personal time. These things know how long a person has spent in certain times. These devices work under the following principle:
“At time X, a person enters Epoch and chooses a certain time, Y, on Epoch's dial, where |X-Y| = Z. In time Y, the person stays for a certain duration, T so now Y=Y+T. When he chooses time X from Epoch's dial, it does not take him to time X. It takes him to time Y+Z. So the total amount of time this person just traveled from time Y is Z. This quantity, Z, is constant. Likewise, when this person enters a time gate, the same rules apply. The only difference is that Z cannot be chosen from a dial, it is inherent to the time gate and is constant.”
Granted, this may seem overly technical, but it provides great insight. For example, this rule proves that time MUST flow a the End of Time. While Epoch has it listed as infinity(inf), the time gates and Epoch treat time travel to and from it as inf-Z and inf+Z. In other words, time flows.
Support:
TandeM: Consider that when making a return visit to an era, any effects wrought on it still pertain. Let's take the sequence of events in 12000 B.C.
-Crono and co. arrive in 12000 B.C. via timegate for first time
-The party spends time T completing the initial quest (up until they are banished and Schala seals the gate). The time is now -12000+T years.
-The party spends time U in the quest for the Epoch. When they use it to warp to 12000 B.C., they aren't actually taken to -12000 years, they're taken to -12000+T+U years!
If they simply went to -12000 years, the gate wouldn't have been sealed yet, and the warp pods would still work. But since the effects of the previous trip to 12000 B.C. still pertain, it follows that the party re-arrives in a time after that trip.
(Think of the consequences if this weren't true. For one, Queen Leene would need rescuing upon every trip to 600 A.D. In fact, Crono and co. would have to start from scratch every time they revisited a time period!)
This axiom formerly operated on a variable known as 'T'. Reasoning behind Unk's revising and mostly eliminating T:
TheUnknow_user: Think on the first trip to 600AD: Marle warps to 600AD. Then, a few minutes later, Chrono goes too and later on (some hours, I think) Lucca enters the gate, right? So, we have three DIFFERENT personal times to each character, because Marle spent more time in 600AD than Chrono, and Chrono spent more time than Lucca (Marle > Chrono > Lucca)
When they came back to 1000AD Lucca should arrive first, later on should arrive Chrono and then Marle (because T is different for each one), but we see them arriving at the same time . So, the time gates only works with the Z variant that, we know, is constant:
The gate in Leene Square goes 400 years in the past or (the gate on 600AD goes 400 years in the future) so, Z=400.
At any point in time, if you enter to the gate, it’ll always take you to X-Z or X+Z instead of X±Z+T because T doesn’t have any relevance to the gate.
ie. You are in 1004 AD. You take the gate in Leene Square. That gate won’t take you to 600AD because Z=400, X-Z=Y => 1004-400=604, Y=604 <= you’ll arrive in this year. Now, say you stay there 3 years (why? I don’t know) so now X=607. lets go inside the gate!: X+Z=Y => 607+400=1007, Y=1007 <= you arrive in this year. Note that the gate doesn’t remembers your “personal time” (T), it only applies the Z variant (that is constant) to the actual time period.
Flow Principle
ZeaLitY
In timeline X, if event Y shall rewrite certain events to form X', even if event Y surely shall occur, time must flow until reaching Z, the time of Y's occurrence, until X can be rewritten to X'.
Support:
TandeM: Let's make this simple and apply it to the Ocean Palace incident.
Timeline X = 1000 A.D.
X' = 1000 A.D. w/Black Omen
Event Y = Ocean Palace disaster, raising of Black Omen
Z = Time of Ocean Palace disaster (12000 B.C.)
So, to rephrase:
Due to the Ocean Palace disaster, the 1000 A.D. timeline is rewritten to include the hovering Black Omen. The rising of the Omen is unpreventable in the "correct" version of the plot (the one that nets New Game+ and the normal ending), but until the Ocean Palace disaster actually occurs in 12000 B.C., the Omen does not appear in the other time periods.
We can make another example out of Ending #1:
Timeline X = Ruined 2300 A.D.
X' = Bright and Happy 2300 A.D.
Event Y = Defeat of Lavos
Z = Time of Lavos' fall - 1999 A.D. (You could argue 12,000 B.C., or say that Lavos exists in some kind of pocket dimension, or that it's a temporal anamoly... but as long as it's before 2300 A.D. we're good.)
Crono and co. defeat Lavos in 1999 A.D., averting the apocalypse and making the future bright and happy. While its defeat is predestined in CT's course of events, until Lavos has actually been vanquished, the ruined 2300 A.D. future still exists.
Reletavistic Time Flow Principle
GrayLensman
The rate of time in each time period should not be the same. Relativistic effects produced by changes in the earth and sun's velocity would result in minute time dilations. Thus, each time period would have its own relative time rate, dependent on relativistic factors.
This introduces a further complexity to the "Determining the Destination of Time Travel" axiom. Time Gate apertures and Epoch destinations follow the natural flow of time in their era, but since the time rate of each time period is unique, there would be a discrepancy in the translation of both ends of a Gate into the future.
For example, if Crono were to warp from 1000 AD to 400 years in the past, the time he spent in 600 AD is not necessarily the same as the time he was away from 1000 AD. Luckily, Crono could not return to 1000 AD before he left, so there is no worry about causality.
For most time periods this discrepancy should be very small, perhaps on the order of seconds. However, 65 million BC might experience a significant time dilation.
Support:
Aitrus: Motion and mass have affects on the speed of time. As a simple example, a ball bounced on a train takes longer to bounce to someone on the station platform than to someone on the train with it.
GrayLensman: Crono could never return to 1000 AD before he left, so there is no worry about causality.
How Changing the Past Affects Those Time Travelers whose Past Now No Longer Exists
warmgun
Assume there is a man that by a time, X, has experienced a certain set of events, {E1, E2, E3, E4...E(inf)}. Assume an event, E4, occurs at a time Y. Suppose the man travels to a time T, where T<Y. If time is altered at a time A, where T<A<Y, so as to eliminate E4, the man remains exactly the same as though the time change at A never happened and the causal effects leading the man to time T remain.
Support:
warmgun: Crono takes the jerky to the Porre mayor of 600AD to make his 1000AD counterpart give up the sun stone. So Crono's past now reflows through the new timeline. Crono has no need to go to the past now to give the 600AD mayor the jerkey because his 1000AD descendent is now generous and gives him the sun stone. If Crono doesn't go back, the 600AD mayor won't get the jerkey. The grandfather paradox is conveniently brushed aside.
Crono defeats Lavos in 1999AD, making the future bright and happy. In this new timeline, Crono's past is now forced to reflow. The future he must warp to now is not derelict and ruined. So does he still find an Epoch just waiting for him there? There won't be one, so he can't do half the stuff he's supposed to in order to kill Lavos!
You can take this idea and apply it to nearly every single instance of changing time in the game!
~
These principles are current. If you disagree with them or wish to support them with commentary, please use the Comment function on this article.
Thanks for this article-
Warmgun for initiating discussion,
Everyone who has participated in discussion over these subjects,
Everyone who has read work on the Compendium or has joined the ranks of its members. Without you, the Compendium would not exist.
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Dead Sea Discussion
« on: January 15, 2004, 01:25:16 am »
Another inquiry; how is FATE able to instate Miguel as defender of the Dead Sea across the dimensions?
What is the dimensional distortion?
What is the dimensional distortion?
9523
Site Updates / Chrono Break Truth
« on: January 14, 2004, 11:38:01 pm »
SquareEnix has publicly stated on their website, at www.squaresoft.com, that,
"A sequel to Chrono Cross is not in development. This doesn't mean we will never make a sequel. However, resources are being focused on other titles at this moment. Keep an eye on our Press Release page to keep up with current information on upcoming titles from SQUARE ENIX."
Thus, we need not worry about it currently.
"A sequel to Chrono Cross is not in development. This doesn't mean we will never make a sequel. However, resources are being focused on other titles at this moment. Keep an eye on our Press Release page to keep up with current information on upcoming titles from SQUARE ENIX."
Thus, we need not worry about it currently.
9524
History, Locations, and Artifacts / Masamune, Einlanzer, & Hero's Medal
« on: January 14, 2004, 08:29:42 pm »
That's a good explanation. I originally thought you were thinking of the winds at Death Peak, but I searched the script and found:
Well done.
Quote from: Man
The famous Denadoro Mountain winds
have grown mild.
Well done.
9525
General Discussion / Success!
« on: January 14, 2004, 08:21:44 pm »
The Chronology FAQ now resides on the Chrono Cross FAQ section at gamefaqs.
I'm going to personally doublecheck every detail, and then debut it on various forums for further perfection. Also, we can include anything we wish on the faq (sort of like bill riders. If I submitted an update to the Chronology faq, I could include something at the bottom like..."Mysteries." anything).
Anyway, this is a huge achievement, and I had to let everyone know. Gamefaqs has turned this sucker down countless times, and finally it is there.
I'm going to personally doublecheck every detail, and then debut it on various forums for further perfection. Also, we can include anything we wish on the faq (sort of like bill riders. If I submitted an update to the Chronology faq, I could include something at the bottom like..."Mysteries." anything).
Anyway, this is a huge achievement, and I had to let everyone know. Gamefaqs has turned this sucker down countless times, and finally it is there.