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Chrono News / Dream Splash IV!!
« on: May 06, 2018, 11:36:55 pm »
The Chrono Compendium is hosting another Dream Splash contest, the first in nearly 6 years! These contests are a way for fans to create and share their wonderful art, music, fiction ... anything having to do with the Chrono series that YOU make. We encourage anyone and everyone to participate, so tell your friends and join us in keeping the dream alive!
Follow this link to learn more.
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General Discussion / Merry Christmas!
« on: December 25, 2017, 03:16:49 pm »
And Happy Holidays to all my friends here. You're all awesome, everyone in this community. Even if we don't get another official Chrono game, I hope we can all enjoy returning to this place and chatting with one another about the games and other things we love.
I wish everyone is doing well this season, and if you're not, I sincerely wish for good times to come your way.
Enjoy the moment! And keep the dream alive.
I wish everyone is doing well this season, and if you're not, I sincerely wish for good times to come your way.
Enjoy the moment! And keep the dream alive.
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Theory: Time Eggs Break Time
« on: January 30, 2017, 10:16:34 am »
Bear with me, I'm making temporal omelets here...
Time eggs in the Chronoverse are quite the enigma. The only thing we know for certain about them is that they create isolated temporal distortions (Gates), and even then they seem affected by whatever the user desires most at the time. Crono's friends use one to save him before he dies. Serge uses one to reach Schala beyond time's eclipse. Kid's (in Radical Dreamers) reacts with the Frozen Flame to reveal her true identity (meanwhile Serge witnesses apparently all of spacetime).
There's only one1 other time when a time egg is used, and I want to focus on that: Before (after?) most of the events in Chrono Cross, Kid, in her own relative timeline, uses a time egg to save Serge from drowning. Unique to this event, the timeline actually splits here, creating the Home world and Another with a 50/50 chance of Serge surviving. In other words, the time egg split the dimensions, but only in one of them is Kid's desire of saving Serge fulfilled. Is this event really unique however?
Consider Chronopolis for a moment, and its claim of being able to observe other dimensions. Radical Dreamers is at least one of those dimensions, since we can read about it within Chronopolis while playing Chrono Cross. In effect, Radical Dreamers is absolutely canon. Not just in the usual "they're from the same series/same director, 'cept one game got retconned for another"2 sort of way; no, Radical Dreamers is part of the same timeline as Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross, just more of an "other" timeline. Another world. See where I'm going with this?
It's a general concensus that, in Radical Dreamer's storyline, Crono is dead. Kid says as much by saying that Lucca wanted to bury the Frozen Flame "at her old friend's grave" so that he could be able to rest with it. Kid even has Lucca's old time egg (though, admittedly, it could be a prototype like the one she gave Kid in Chrono Cross). So how did Crono die? He died in 12000 BC, during the group's first encounter with Lavos, where Marle and the others, using the time egg, failed to save him. Except they also did save him. We just have two dimensions from this point forward: One where Crono lives (Chrono Cross), and one where Crono dies (Radical Dreamers).
1 There's actually one other time when a time egg is used: While Kid's in her coma, Masa, Mune, and Doreen charge her prototype time egg to send Serge back in time to the burning of the orphanage. But this whole event never made much sense to begin with, since it suggests a paradox--Kid goes back in time to save Serge from drowning because Serge goes back in time to save her from burning, etc. And why was she in a coma "bound by the past" in the first place? Unless her proximity to the Frozen Flame in Chronopolis, while also carrying a time egg, triggered an event similar to what happened in Radical Dreamers... That would have been nice for the writers to touch on.
2 Though I admit, this is likely how the directors think of Radical Dreamers. Even Masato Kato expressed embarassment with the final game.
TL;DR: Time eggs are like Schrodinger's cat, both fulfilling their users' desires while also creating an alternate dimension in which that desire is not met. Crono/Serge is both simultaneously saved/not saved, and as such, Radical Dreamers is to Chrono Trigger what the Home world is to Another. And if eggs = cats, and cats = Entity, then who was phone?
Time eggs in the Chronoverse are quite the enigma. The only thing we know for certain about them is that they create isolated temporal distortions (Gates), and even then they seem affected by whatever the user desires most at the time. Crono's friends use one to save him before he dies. Serge uses one to reach Schala beyond time's eclipse. Kid's (in Radical Dreamers) reacts with the Frozen Flame to reveal her true identity (meanwhile Serge witnesses apparently all of spacetime).
There's only one1 other time when a time egg is used, and I want to focus on that: Before (after?) most of the events in Chrono Cross, Kid, in her own relative timeline, uses a time egg to save Serge from drowning. Unique to this event, the timeline actually splits here, creating the Home world and Another with a 50/50 chance of Serge surviving. In other words, the time egg split the dimensions, but only in one of them is Kid's desire of saving Serge fulfilled. Is this event really unique however?
Consider Chronopolis for a moment, and its claim of being able to observe other dimensions. Radical Dreamers is at least one of those dimensions, since we can read about it within Chronopolis while playing Chrono Cross. In effect, Radical Dreamers is absolutely canon. Not just in the usual "they're from the same series/same director, 'cept one game got retconned for another"2 sort of way; no, Radical Dreamers is part of the same timeline as Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross, just more of an "other" timeline. Another world. See where I'm going with this?
It's a general concensus that, in Radical Dreamer's storyline, Crono is dead. Kid says as much by saying that Lucca wanted to bury the Frozen Flame "at her old friend's grave" so that he could be able to rest with it. Kid even has Lucca's old time egg (though, admittedly, it could be a prototype like the one she gave Kid in Chrono Cross). So how did Crono die? He died in 12000 BC, during the group's first encounter with Lavos, where Marle and the others, using the time egg, failed to save him. Except they also did save him. We just have two dimensions from this point forward: One where Crono lives (Chrono Cross), and one where Crono dies (Radical Dreamers).
1 There's actually one other time when a time egg is used: While Kid's in her coma, Masa, Mune, and Doreen charge her prototype time egg to send Serge back in time to the burning of the orphanage. But this whole event never made much sense to begin with, since it suggests a paradox--Kid goes back in time to save Serge from drowning because Serge goes back in time to save her from burning, etc. And why was she in a coma "bound by the past" in the first place? Unless her proximity to the Frozen Flame in Chronopolis, while also carrying a time egg, triggered an event similar to what happened in Radical Dreamers... That would have been nice for the writers to touch on.
2 Though I admit, this is likely how the directors think of Radical Dreamers. Even Masato Kato expressed embarassment with the final game.
TL;DR: Time eggs are like Schrodinger's cat, both fulfilling their users' desires while also creating an alternate dimension in which that desire is not met. Crono/Serge is both simultaneously saved/not saved, and as such, Radical Dreamers is to Chrono Trigger what the Home world is to Another. And if eggs = cats, and cats = Entity, then who was phone?
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Was Crono Supposed to Die?
« on: January 01, 2017, 09:05:18 pm »
I remember reading once that Kato planned to have Crono die for good. I finally found the source.
Is there a source for that, however? Some interview with Kato that I'm missing where he addresses this?
Anyhow, I figure that, if true, this could be good justification as for why Crono appears to be dead in Radical Dreamers; i.e., it's how Masato Kato wanted it, and being a "spin-off" he didn't have Squaresoft looking over his shoulder as closely.
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Originally, Chrono Trigger writer, Masato Kato, wanted to keep Crono dead. To continue the mission, the party would actually have to recruit a younger version of Crono. But Square deemed it too depressing and requested that the rest of the story be written in a way that he can still be saved.
Is there a source for that, however? Some interview with Kato that I'm missing where he addresses this?
Anyhow, I figure that, if true, this could be good justification as for why Crono appears to be dead in Radical Dreamers; i.e., it's how Masato Kato wanted it, and being a "spin-off" he didn't have Squaresoft looking over his shoulder as closely.
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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Draco ex Machina--Or, The Plot Device That Makes No Sense
« on: November 14, 2014, 03:25:32 am »If you could change Chrono Cross, how would you do it?
I've been thinking about this lately, as I'd like to "clean up" the story a bit for a future project. However, reading through that thread, I've yet to see one person bring up what is perhaps the most glaring and problematic plot device in Chrono Cross:
Dinopolis/Terra Tower, and, by extenstion, the Dragon Gods.
It is literally pulled out of thin air. It came from another dimension. It did not exist until the Entity or the planet or whomever willed it into being, and that does not sit well with me since it is such a fundamental part of the story.
Is there a way to logically retcon this into the plot?
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Frozen Flame & Cintamani
« on: May 07, 2014, 03:02:58 pm »
I finally took a trip to the Kimbell Art Museum yesterday to see the samurai collection, and I found something of Chrono interest. Beside this piece was a description saying the helmet was designed to invoke the flaming jewel Cintamani, which is said to have the power to grant wishes. Upon further research, I learned that the Cintamani originates from Hindu and Buddhist teachings, and supposedly fell from the sky.
I thought that was interesting, because this jewel sounds a lot like our Frozen Flame. I wonder if Kato or someone else used it as inspiration.
I thought that was interesting, because this jewel sounds a lot like our Frozen Flame. I wonder if Kato or someone else used it as inspiration.
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Chrono Trigger Intro in HD
« on: July 26, 2013, 01:16:17 pm »
So, this looks fantastically fantastic.
[youtube]x1gq-4UOsus[/youtube]
[youtube]x1gq-4UOsus[/youtube]
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / CHRONOTORIOUS Reprint
« on: June 03, 2013, 08:48:41 pm »
Just a heads-up: CHRONOTORIOUS, that delicious collection of Chrono Trigger remixes by Bad Dudes, has been reprinted. That's right, the physical album, which was only available for a limited time.
Fangamer's got you covered.
Fangamer's got you covered.
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Frozen Flame at the Dead Sea
« on: May 04, 2013, 02:08:22 pm »
In the Chrono Cross "Missing Piece" artbook, there is a sketch of Leene's Square as it appears in the Dead Sea. However, you can also see the Frozen Flame floating behind Nadia's bell quite clearly.
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4319/1001672iz.jpg
Compare to the art actually used in the game, in which you can only see a sunset (or perhaps the Frozen Flame itself veiled in its own light).
http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/9/91/Nadias_bell_ruin.png
I thought this was interesting.
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For the sake of discussion, could the Frozen Flame be responsible for the Dead Sea being "frozen?" Similar to how the Chrono Trigger froze time in order for Crono to be saved.
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4319/1001672iz.jpg
Compare to the art actually used in the game, in which you can only see a sunset (or perhaps the Frozen Flame itself veiled in its own light).
http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/9/91/Nadias_bell_ruin.png
I thought this was interesting.
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For the sake of discussion, could the Frozen Flame be responsible for the Dead Sea being "frozen?" Similar to how the Chrono Trigger froze time in order for Crono to be saved.
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Chrono Fanbook
« on: April 22, 2013, 02:49:42 pm »
A while back I came across two fan art books: one for ICO, called "ICO no GRAPHIX;" and another for Xenogears, called "Xeno15." Now the same duo are planning a Chrono fan book! Their goal is to have it ready to be released on November 18th, 2014 - Chrono Cross' 15th anniversary in Japan.
Now I know we have plenty of wonderful artists here at the Compendium, and I'd love to see some of your work featured in this art book. So do everyone a favor and contact these two to get in! Heh, with so much time I may even consider submitting a piece.
This is the original page I found detailing the project:
http://funnbunns.deviantart.com/art/Chrono-Graphics-a-Chrono-fanbook-coming-SOON-366980828?q=gallery%3Afunnbunns&qo=0
Now I know we have plenty of wonderful artists here at the Compendium, and I'd love to see some of your work featured in this art book. So do everyone a favor and contact these two to get in! Heh, with so much time I may even consider submitting a piece.
This is the original page I found detailing the project:
http://funnbunns.deviantart.com/art/Chrono-Graphics-a-Chrono-fanbook-coming-SOON-366980828?q=gallery%3Afunnbunns&qo=0
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Theoretical, but...
« on: January 17, 2013, 06:03:27 pm »
If Lavos were removed from the Keystone T-2 timeline (the one Cross takes place in) immediately after Chronopolis' arrival in 12000 BG, what would the ramifications be for the rest of history?
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Site Updates / Noriko Mitose interview translated
« on: December 13, 2012, 09:39:45 pm »
Hey all, I've an early gift for you. Reddit user just_kitten has graciously offered their translating skills to our community! Time permitting, more can be expected in the future, but for now, enjoy this interview between Yasunori Mitsuda and Noriko Mitose.
Click here to read!
Click here to read!
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Dream Splash V - Middle Ages [2012] / Dream Splash V!
« on: November 07, 2012, 07:45:42 pm »
Welcome to...
Forgive my crappy editing skills...
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This year's theme is the Middle Ages, also known as year 600 AD. You can do whatever you want, so long as it relates to Chrono Trigger's 600 AD era.
-For example, you can cover anything in the Mystic War. How about some fanart of our favorite villain trio, the Mystic Knights! Or a great battle on Zenan Bridge? Maybe even an alluring Naga-Ette?
-Music remixes are accepted too! "Courage and Pride" has always been a favorite of mine. Don't forget "Frog's Theme."
-Speaking of Frog, this is his home era! He deserves plenty of attention! How about some fanfiction depicting his past with his best buddy Cyrus?
-Other characters include Queen Leene, Fiona, Toma, and perhaps even Kasmir (from Crimson Echoes).
-And of course, I'm expecting gratuitous amounts of Magus.
~~~
So let's get this thing rolling! Remember...
Forgive my crappy editing skills...~~~
This year's theme is the Middle Ages, also known as year 600 AD. You can do whatever you want, so long as it relates to Chrono Trigger's 600 AD era.
-For example, you can cover anything in the Mystic War. How about some fanart of our favorite villain trio, the Mystic Knights! Or a great battle on Zenan Bridge? Maybe even an alluring Naga-Ette?
-Music remixes are accepted too! "Courage and Pride" has always been a favorite of mine. Don't forget "Frog's Theme."
-Speaking of Frog, this is his home era! He deserves plenty of attention! How about some fanfiction depicting his past with his best buddy Cyrus?
-Other characters include Queen Leene, Fiona, Toma, and perhaps even Kasmir (from Crimson Echoes).
-And of course, I'm expecting gratuitous amounts of Magus.
~~~
So let's get this thing rolling! Remember...
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Chrono Compendium Discussion / Dream Splash V Poll
« on: October 22, 2012, 07:02:55 pm »
What do you think? Vote and post comments below! 
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Chrono Compendium Discussion / New Dream Splash?
« on: September 27, 2012, 09:24:55 am »
It's been over a year since the last Dream Splash. What's the consensus on starting a new contest? Any ideas for a topic you've been itching to try?