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General Discussion / Re: Stuff you hate
« on: December 09, 2011, 04:46:01 pm »
That's a fair point J.
I guess the main reason is that I do not want to drag the stuff from in here out into the other parts of the forum. I used to do that a lot when arguing with you and Zeality, and that seemed to annoy people. More recently you and tush have gone at it that way to the chagrin of a lot of people, and to the anger of Katie, who is usually pretty neutral. A part of me says that I really shouldn't disrupt the entire board's activities for this one thing. Another part is that it'd be pretty nonsequitur and pointless to follow up Z's post about pushing merchandise on customers with something like "who cares what you think you're a genocidal maniac!" especially when I agree with him.
As for the argument in here, it seems to have stopped. I called his denial and refutation of my accusations "bullshit" and he didn't respond. There's no point in me continuing an argument that the person has no desire to argue.
As for this:
Yes, it's pretty unrealistic that Zeality wants to kill all the Romani, and I do realize that Z has a tendency to go nuclear in his posts. As I said before though, in this case it was so specific that there couldn't have been just a blind fury to it, but actual calculation. Every time I brought this language up to him and tried to make him cop to what he was saying, he attempted to turn it back on me, first by criticizing me using Godwin's Law, then by referring to me as a "right wing radio host," then outright denying it and claiming I only brought this accusation to "detract" him. Either he doesn't want to admit he screwed up his wording or he really believes that, and the latter is a pretty frightening thought.
I guess the main reason is that I do not want to drag the stuff from in here out into the other parts of the forum. I used to do that a lot when arguing with you and Zeality, and that seemed to annoy people. More recently you and tush have gone at it that way to the chagrin of a lot of people, and to the anger of Katie, who is usually pretty neutral. A part of me says that I really shouldn't disrupt the entire board's activities for this one thing. Another part is that it'd be pretty nonsequitur and pointless to follow up Z's post about pushing merchandise on customers with something like "who cares what you think you're a genocidal maniac!" especially when I agree with him.
As for the argument in here, it seems to have stopped. I called his denial and refutation of my accusations "bullshit" and he didn't respond. There's no point in me continuing an argument that the person has no desire to argue.
As for this:
I don't think he actually wants to kill large groups of people without first making an individual judgment of wrongdoing by those involved.
Yes, it's pretty unrealistic that Zeality wants to kill all the Romani, and I do realize that Z has a tendency to go nuclear in his posts. As I said before though, in this case it was so specific that there couldn't have been just a blind fury to it, but actual calculation. Every time I brought this language up to him and tried to make him cop to what he was saying, he attempted to turn it back on me, first by criticizing me using Godwin's Law, then by referring to me as a "right wing radio host," then outright denying it and claiming I only brought this accusation to "detract" him. Either he doesn't want to admit he screwed up his wording or he really believes that, and the latter is a pretty frightening thought.
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Site Updates / Re: "Fuck SOPA" - ZeaLitY
« on: December 09, 2011, 10:44:12 am »Of course it won't. But do the lawmakers / elites get that?
Well duh. They're in the special position to get that, especially since they are the ones holding the copyrights and the ones that would do the policing if this bill went into effect(which it won't).
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General Discussion / Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« on: December 08, 2011, 07:22:14 pm »
I remember having to push the "blue light" or whatever card when working at K-Mart. I mean, I was working in utilities so I never had to do it, but I thought it was pretty dumb anyways, especially since you could be penalized if you didn't get enough signed up(regardless if you pushed it on every customer or not). But at least that was free.
Still, I wouldn't have any sympathy for anyone who started cursing me and telling me I should be ashamed for doing something like that. Like the OP said, he wasn't wrong, just an asshole.
Still, I wouldn't have any sympathy for anyone who started cursing me and telling me I should be ashamed for doing something like that. Like the OP said, he wasn't wrong, just an asshole.
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Site Updates / Re: "Fuck SOPA" - ZeaLitY
« on: December 07, 2011, 10:10:21 pm »
Where'd you hear that it passed in the Senat?
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Site Updates / Re: Chrono Trigger Unglued - Episode 23: "Let's Get Enertroned!" is Here!
« on: December 07, 2011, 09:06:06 pm »
The bonus scene was so worth getting.
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General Discussion / Re: Stuff you hate
« on: December 07, 2011, 12:52:44 am »No, as much my detractors would have people believe it.
Bullshit. Your own words are there for anyone to see.
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General Discussion / Re: Humanity: Good News, Bad News
« on: December 06, 2011, 05:50:10 pm »
In what can only be described as a world record turnabout due to hindsight, Paypal has decided to give the poor kids their money back.
Hah. This spectacle was a beauty. Good job Internet.
Hah. This spectacle was a beauty. Good job Internet.
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General Discussion / Re: Stuff you hate
« on: December 05, 2011, 07:32:32 pm »What other options are on the table, except use of governmental force to separate the culture from the people?
I don't have an answer for that. As xcalibur said, it is an extremely difficult situation. Off the top of my head: an increased police presence in Romani prevalent areas, if nothing other than to keep the non-Roma safe. If you take away their success at criminal behavior, they will either starve or they will attempt something other than crime. This is not the ideal solution, but I doubt there is one that makes everyone happy.
But, just because we can't find an easy cure-all doesn't mean we need to resort to that course of action.
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General Discussion / Re: Stuff you hate
« on: December 05, 2011, 10:48:14 am »Did you even read the reddit thread? As long as you neglect your sources and keep taking plays out of the right-wing radio host playbook, you're going to lose. And I thought you'd improved.
I did. What I read there wasn't surprising to me, as the Czech friend that I've mentioned on here a few times told me more or less the same thing. Originally, I'll admit, I saw the similarities between how the Roma were treated and how urban blacks are perceived down here and figured it was exaggeration. But I looked up some sources on them after someone on here posted a story about Madonna asking for tolerance for them at a concert she was doing. It seems like a lot of Europeans really do have some tragic horror stories coming from these people. This is probably the only case I've encountered where the people doing the hating have a legitimate rationale for generalizing their hatred. I can emphasize with that, and I probably wouldn't be as kind to them policywise as Syna and FaustWolf were. I have no desire to defend them from their own actions.
But even with that, wanting to wipe out a whole group of people based on race or ethnicity is a bad thing.
And before you say that I'm misrepresenting your viewpoint, I'll quote exactly what you said about the Roma previously in this thread.
Utter trash. There needs to be forced relocation and seizure of children by the state, or chemical castration, or something. This is a nomadic culture in a world in which that shit no longer flies. It must be destroyed. (emphasis mine)
That is the definition of "ethnic cleansing." Literally:
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eth·nic cleans·ing
Noun:
The mass expulsion or killing of members of an ethnic or religious group in a society.
What makes this different from your earlier "salt mines" statement that a few took umbrage with is that this one is eery and frighteningly specific. This seems like a laundry list of policies rather than a hyperbole expressing your hate of some idiot. It seems serious, in other words, and that you really meant it this time. And that's...bad.
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General Discussion / Re: Stuff you hate
« on: December 05, 2011, 01:06:49 am »
Ah, my apologies. I should've known you wouldn't appreciate my Nazi inspired language.
Instead, why don't we rent out some space in Siberia or another suitably cold place to relocate them? Or we could use machetes and communicate logistics to each other over the open airwaves?
It's your presumed ethnic cleansing dude, use whichever historical analog you're most comfortable with.
Instead, why don't we rent out some space in Siberia or another suitably cold place to relocate them? Or we could use machetes and communicate logistics to each other over the open airwaves?
It's your presumed ethnic cleansing dude, use whichever historical analog you're most comfortable with.
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General Discussion / Re: Stuff you hate
« on: December 04, 2011, 08:09:18 pm »QuoteUntil I learn more, it seems the best hope would lie in giving individual Romani an incentive to stick with a job and earn a decent living.
Better, more drastic things have been done. Roma have been given brand new apartments, employment opportunities, and schools, all at once. The kids were pulled out of the schools; the workers never showed; and inspectors found that most of the metalwork, wiring, and plumbing in the apartments had been ripped out and sold for scrap, with people regularly defecating on the floor or hallways.
And that happened 100% of the time. Always.
So we need to go ahead and sterilize all of them. While we're doing that, let's take away all of their legal rights. If they keep pickpocketing others, or even if they look like they're about to, we should be allowed to shoot and kill them. Better yet, let's take them all and put them on farms and make them work to solve the world hunger crisis. And we should build a high, barbed wire fence, with guard towers and snipers in everyone. Every time one of them gets lazy on the job the snipers can take them out, and get rid of the excess population. If they end up being too much of a handful, we can just erect massive furnaces and...
You all get where this line of thought is going. I call it my Ultimate Answer to the Roma conundrum.
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General Discussion / Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« on: December 03, 2011, 12:16:37 pm »
I was debating this in a humorous way with my roommate just last week. His argument was that English was ugly compared to France and Italian, but then I brought up his love of Gilbert and Sullivan, and inefficient, which I brought up the loan words we have and used the basic economics of advantage and trade to prove him wrong. I win arguments often.
From what I've heard and experienced from non-native English speakers, out "th" sound is especially hard. It usually comes out for them as a hard "t" or a "ch" or "sch," and I guess in that way it's similar to the rolling "r" for us. I don't know if any other languages than English have this sound, but if not then we've made something difficult.
But I'll say this: our written language is probably a good deal easier, if only because we use a simple 26 letter Roman alphabet with no accented or umlauted characters, and because we don't decline our verbs or articles, as Z said.
From what I've heard and experienced from non-native English speakers, out "th" sound is especially hard. It usually comes out for them as a hard "t" or a "ch" or "sch," and I guess in that way it's similar to the rolling "r" for us. I don't know if any other languages than English have this sound, but if not then we've made something difficult.
But I'll say this: our written language is probably a good deal easier, if only because we use a simple 26 letter Roman alphabet with no accented or umlauted characters, and because we don't decline our verbs or articles, as Z said.
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General Discussion / Re: Park Your Amusements Here
« on: November 29, 2011, 04:08:01 pm »
The active voice seems more swift and what not because there are fewer words. This is generally why people tell you not to use passive voice: you're quickly killing your word count or character limit and haven't said as much as you could. It's often seen as being fluffy and insubstantial.
As for what passive voice does, well, re-read the last statement I made:
In one case, the object mentioned first is "it," in this case, the passive voice. The passive voice is "being seen" and is receiving the action. In the second, the object is "people," which is "giving" the action. So in a sense, yes, active voice does give the feeling of action because the action is being taken rather than passive voice, which signifies inaction, or mere subjugation to another action. Passive voice is properly used for things that cannot act, like...well, the passive voice. It can also be done to subtly shift blame:
"X did Y." "Y was done by X."
In one case, X initiated it. In the other, Y seems to have.
Active voice can also be helpful if you're focusing on one character. It seems less "scattered" in narratives.
As for what passive voice does, well, re-read the last statement I made:
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It's often seen as being fluffy and insubstantial("by people" is implied).
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People often see it as being fluffy and insubstantial.
In one case, the object mentioned first is "it," in this case, the passive voice. The passive voice is "being seen" and is receiving the action. In the second, the object is "people," which is "giving" the action. So in a sense, yes, active voice does give the feeling of action because the action is being taken rather than passive voice, which signifies inaction, or mere subjugation to another action. Passive voice is properly used for things that cannot act, like...well, the passive voice. It can also be done to subtly shift blame:
"X did Y." "Y was done by X."
In one case, X initiated it. In the other, Y seems to have.
Active voice can also be helpful if you're focusing on one character. It seems less "scattered" in narratives.
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Character Ratings and Thorough Tech Analysis
« on: November 29, 2011, 01:13:29 pm »
Hey, whoever edits the encyclopedia, this thread needs an entry, definitely.