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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 24, 2009, 10:17:20 pm »
Just because Alienat0r isnt a registered member doesnt mean he cant view the forums. Why would he need to register if all he was doing was snooping around to see what progress has been made. I lurked around here for about 4 months before I made a profile.
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 23, 2009, 03:59:45 pm »Hah, I've always suspected the Alienat0r letter was fake anyways. I mean, how do we know he actually sent that to Square Enix? There's absolutely no proof that it was real, and there is some evidence that even points to it not being real ("Neill" for example).
The reason why Neil was misspelled is because Neil is not a bot, if you notice, he used horrible grammar in OverlordMikey's email:
Thank you for contacting SQUARE ENIX Customer Support,
We appreciate your feedback. We apologize that the announcement you are referring to do not meet your expectations. Your information will be forwarded to my superiors. We do cherish the support and opinion from our customers and look forward to hearing your remarks regarding our upcoming games.
Thanks,
Neil- SQUARE ENIX Customer Support
www.square-enix.com
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 23, 2009, 12:17:03 am »All of the lies can be proven false though, as they have in my email. And yes, I am in contact with SE.
Ah, well I certainly hope this is the case, and if it is, I give you kudos for actually trying to do something rather than just gripe about it
How are you in anymore contact with them then me. We both sent an e-mail and we both recived similar (mine was nicer) replies. D..did they send you something else? I mean your comment can be alittle misleading otherwise.
Eitherway at least you did something. Perhaps we should share the e-mail address with more people. If others want to e-mail them I wanna believe they would be polite about it...then again It may be a bad idea. If we busy them up with our e-mails the people they should be talking to will find it more difficult to reach them.
Either way it's good to know things are moving nicely, I am keeping a postive outlook...I wanna scream "I know everything will turn out all right" I mean regardless of the outcome its better to have tried then to have done nothing.
Just know that I have had a little more contact with SE than you.
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 22, 2009, 11:57:25 pm »
All of the lies can be proven false though, as they have in my email. And yes, I am in contact with SE.
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 22, 2009, 11:23:57 pm »
SE is researching the origins of the troll's email, tracking him down basically for questions. Most of that emails information has been and can be further proven false. My email I had sent covers most of the major aspects of the email (selling for profit, claiming copyright, TF piracy bypass, etc.)
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 22, 2009, 07:43:37 pm »
**UPDATE**
not a big one though, just an email.
Thank you for contacting SQUARE ENIX Customer Support,
We appreciate your feedback. It will be forwarded to my superiors. Thank you for taking the time to contact us today and we look forward to your opinions of our upcoming titles.
Thanks,
******** - SQUARE ENIX Customer Support
www.square-enix.com
-----Original Message-----
From: ********
Sent: May 22, 2009 2:37:29 PM
Subject: Chrono Trigger - Crimson Echoes
Hello Square-Enix
As a fan of Square-Enix and all of it's works, I am giving you information
that will let you understand some misinterpreted information in the
situation about Chrono Trigger Crimson Echoes and the Cease and Desist that
was sent. The email that was sent on April 9th, 2009 at approx 2:32 PM, Has
been proven to contain false information about the release of Chrono Trigger
Crimson Echoes. The following information can be proven false by either
contact of the accused or by doing further research into the matter than
what has already been done.
"A certain group of people is creating a hacked version of the Chrono
Trigger Super Nintendo game, called Crimson Echoes, using the characters and
music from Chrono Trigger and are trying to make a profit off it.
They have claimed that they intend to charge people money so people can buy
the game. I believe this kind of thing should not be allowed, and perhaps
you'll agree with me in that you should take action against this."
The truth is: Yes, a group of people has been creating a hacked version of
Chrono Trigger for the Super Nintendo, also using your characters and music,
but the creators had no intentions of distributing anything for profit.
There are no claims at all of which the group said that they wanted to
charge people money for the finished game.
"The project is being led by several people whom most can be found at the
Chrono Compendium, www.chronocompendium.com, but the one who is in charge is
********, asministrator there and an individual who has tried to claim your
copyrights of Chrono Trigger and Cross several times before."
The truth is: ******** has never claimed your copyrights, and even in the
demo of the game, it is stated that the copyrights had been used without
permission.
Also, in the Cease and Desist letter that was sent, It has been made out
that Temporal Flux is used to bypass piracy protection on the Nintendo DS
version of Chrono Trigger. That is also false. Temporal flux is used to edit
sprites, maps, events, dialogue etc in the Super Nintendo version of Chrono
Trigger. The anti piracy method is bypassed by temporarily editing the
memory through Action Replay Codes.
Also, The hack was meant to be distributed through IPS patch, so as to avoid
distributing the illegal image of the game. In any case, It would make you
more money in the fact that people will buy the game in order to legally
obtain a backup. Another thing is that in the plan, it was intended in the
very beginning of Crimson Echoes to have an advertisement for Chrono Trigger
for the DS and that if the person did not own a copy of Chrono Trigger that
they should not even have a copy of Crimson Echoes.
Further proof that the email has false information is this.
It is a post taken from the Kagero Studios forum. The link to the post is
here: http://kagerostudios.b1.jcink.com/index.php?showtopic=330&st=135
The information from the email can be found here:
http://kagerostudios.b1.jcink.com/index.php?showtopic=330&st=120
"How very perceptive of you, *******. But also how terribly naive of you
to confuse me with Him.
Originally, he was going for Crisis. It pleasured us greatly when Crisis
died, but frustration came again when Lena decided to start off on her own.
However, CE was also nearing completion and becoming a problem. I went
through the slight trouble of sending a couple of e-mails to Square Enix,
filling them up with a small lie here and there to tempt them. I never
imagined they would really make a move, though. But what was far greater was
the shock that arrived here and the newly assembled Ark team deciding to
drop the Chrono name. Truly, things have worked out far better then we could
have imagined.
And as such, both Crisis and Ark have finally come to an end. You have been
a fine amusement to everyone, and it pleasures me greatly so see this
happen.
Now, press on with your, what was it, "Praxis"? Or was it Devil Theory?
I sincerely hope you won't forgive me.
Bye-bye."
I hope you find this information useful. In my best hopes, I wish that the
Chrono Compendium be granted a fan license not only for being your largest
Chrono Trigger fanbase, but for having the temperament that they had during
the whole situation.
Sincerely,
*******
not a big one though, just an email.
Thank you for contacting SQUARE ENIX Customer Support,
We appreciate your feedback. It will be forwarded to my superiors. Thank you for taking the time to contact us today and we look forward to your opinions of our upcoming titles.
Thanks,
******** - SQUARE ENIX Customer Support
www.square-enix.com
-----Original Message-----
From: ********
Sent: May 22, 2009 2:37:29 PM
Subject: Chrono Trigger - Crimson Echoes
Hello Square-Enix
As a fan of Square-Enix and all of it's works, I am giving you information
that will let you understand some misinterpreted information in the
situation about Chrono Trigger Crimson Echoes and the Cease and Desist that
was sent. The email that was sent on April 9th, 2009 at approx 2:32 PM, Has
been proven to contain false information about the release of Chrono Trigger
Crimson Echoes. The following information can be proven false by either
contact of the accused or by doing further research into the matter than
what has already been done.
"A certain group of people is creating a hacked version of the Chrono
Trigger Super Nintendo game, called Crimson Echoes, using the characters and
music from Chrono Trigger and are trying to make a profit off it.
They have claimed that they intend to charge people money so people can buy
the game. I believe this kind of thing should not be allowed, and perhaps
you'll agree with me in that you should take action against this."
The truth is: Yes, a group of people has been creating a hacked version of
Chrono Trigger for the Super Nintendo, also using your characters and music,
but the creators had no intentions of distributing anything for profit.
There are no claims at all of which the group said that they wanted to
charge people money for the finished game.
"The project is being led by several people whom most can be found at the
Chrono Compendium, www.chronocompendium.com, but the one who is in charge is
********, asministrator there and an individual who has tried to claim your
copyrights of Chrono Trigger and Cross several times before."
The truth is: ******** has never claimed your copyrights, and even in the
demo of the game, it is stated that the copyrights had been used without
permission.
Also, in the Cease and Desist letter that was sent, It has been made out
that Temporal Flux is used to bypass piracy protection on the Nintendo DS
version of Chrono Trigger. That is also false. Temporal flux is used to edit
sprites, maps, events, dialogue etc in the Super Nintendo version of Chrono
Trigger. The anti piracy method is bypassed by temporarily editing the
memory through Action Replay Codes.
Also, The hack was meant to be distributed through IPS patch, so as to avoid
distributing the illegal image of the game. In any case, It would make you
more money in the fact that people will buy the game in order to legally
obtain a backup. Another thing is that in the plan, it was intended in the
very beginning of Crimson Echoes to have an advertisement for Chrono Trigger
for the DS and that if the person did not own a copy of Chrono Trigger that
they should not even have a copy of Crimson Echoes.
Further proof that the email has false information is this.
It is a post taken from the Kagero Studios forum. The link to the post is
here: http://kagerostudios.b1.jcink.com/index.php?showtopic=330&st=135
The information from the email can be found here:
http://kagerostudios.b1.jcink.com/index.php?showtopic=330&st=120
"How very perceptive of you, *******. But also how terribly naive of you
to confuse me with Him.
Originally, he was going for Crisis. It pleasured us greatly when Crisis
died, but frustration came again when Lena decided to start off on her own.
However, CE was also nearing completion and becoming a problem. I went
through the slight trouble of sending a couple of e-mails to Square Enix,
filling them up with a small lie here and there to tempt them. I never
imagined they would really make a move, though. But what was far greater was
the shock that arrived here and the newly assembled Ark team deciding to
drop the Chrono name. Truly, things have worked out far better then we could
have imagined.
And as such, both Crisis and Ark have finally come to an end. You have been
a fine amusement to everyone, and it pleasures me greatly so see this
happen.
Now, press on with your, what was it, "Praxis"? Or was it Devil Theory?
I sincerely hope you won't forgive me.
Bye-bye."
I hope you find this information useful. In my best hopes, I wish that the
Chrono Compendium be granted a fan license not only for being your largest
Chrono Trigger fanbase, but for having the temperament that they had during
the whole situation.
Sincerely,
*******
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 21, 2009, 06:35:29 pm »I've thought of something that might be neat to try if the secret talks never get anywhere. I can't think of anything wrong with it so I'll post it here and everyone can tell me what they think if there is anything I'm missing or it is the worst idea ever or whatever. Sorry is is long
Basically you said you'd like a 2nd message from square so take the talks public and somebody in the project would write a public email to Square asking them to respond. It would say something like this:
1)First talk about how we suspect the C&D was based on lies and misinformation of a troll (talk about that email posted and why it looks legit with the forum posts on ign and gamespot. And the copy protection stuff suggesting square thought it was the ds version and saying you claim copywrite in the C&D)
2)Then simply ask that square publicly responds with a second C&D letter you'll publicly post confirming that they are aware of all the facts (you are hardcore fans who love them and advertise CT DS in the game and are not profiting and it is an ips patch of the snes version and there is no evidence or reason to believe they will lose profits if it is released. what temporal flux is, negative press showing support for you from gamers) and if they still want you to stop. If they knew all these facts before the first one a second one should be as simple and easy as pie!
3)optionally politely ask for an explanation why they are targeting this game but not any other romhackers on the web for any of their games that are doing the exact same thing as you. Also optionally ask to clarify why is temporal flux illegal when the snes game has no copy protection.
4) If they do not send you anything by some day, you can only logically assume that they have reconsidered after learning more info and that first C&D was based on lies and invalid. you can safely ignore it from then on and square is not aloud to sue you.(maybe ask a lawyer if that is true) and you and all ct fans would be eternally grateful and love them for understanding their fans it was all that troll's fault and you will buy lots of their games. If they do send one you will be sad but continue to comply.
The plan would be if you don't get a response to finish up CE 100% and release it as quickly as possible without fear of being sued. If they do then youtube is probably the only thing left.
The possible results of this I see are:
1)Square will not sue you immediately for asking for a second C&D to confirm. It is probably not illigal anyways and it will cost them money and publicity and make them look like big jerks when they could just send a free email.
2)It would be illogical to not say anything then sue after you release it. It would cost them money they won't get back make them look like big jerks and make tonnes of publicity for a game that is now on the internet causing many to play it. Sending a 2nd email before it is released would be better
3) They could respond and stick to their guns. You are no worse off then before but now have that second public response you said you wanted for more negative press now complete with an interesting story of an internet troll bringing down a community with lies and square being gullible and stubborn. It is an interesting story that will spread everywhere I see a movie based on this.
4) Square sends an apology and free games. hurrah you win there is a huge victory party on the internets
I hope the plan is clear and I don't see any downsides to doing this. Of course it is up to the CE team and they can do whatever they think is best I'm probably missing some big reason why this would result in disaster. i'm not a lawyer and I don't know what they've said behind the scenes so those people would know better then me.
Keep up the excellent work
In court, the thing is, If a case goes undecided for 6 months it has to be dropped. But this isn't in court, This is just a C&D.
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 21, 2009, 05:55:05 pm »
If I am correct FaustWolf, [Secrets are secret --JP]
Also, reason being that Everything died down, is because some research is being conducted.
Also, reason being that Everything died down, is because some research is being conducted.
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Polling / Re: Would Melchior Make a Cool Party Member in a Chrono Trigger fan game?
« on: May 16, 2009, 06:24:37 pm »
Nobody mentioned Cyrus? Cryus would kick Toma's sorry arse any day.
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Polling / Re: Who would you cast in a Chrono movie?
« on: May 16, 2009, 06:21:51 pm »
Melchior- Hugh Laurie
nuff' said.
nuff' said.
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Chrono Cross DS: Is it Possible?
« on: May 14, 2009, 02:39:17 pm »
The soft mod (I dont think there is a way to hard mod a wii, besides a few chips). I only stated that there was a current Homebrew channel because i wasnt sure if you were on the "wii-scene".
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Chrono Cross DS: Is it Possible?
« on: May 14, 2009, 07:28:29 am »Somebody who knows what they're doing with this kind of thing should make a deal with Nintendo to have them make a homebrew channel on the Wii menu or in the Virtual Console Shopping thing. Third party roms. Set a precedent. Make some dough. Nintendo can emulate Apple a lil bit more than it already has (Wiimote and console look like accessories for ipods). Say the roms that are based on or use sprites and music get $0/sale for the developer and $10 for Nintendo, then origial and commissioned games the developer would get $10 and Nintendo would get $5 or something. That totally should have been done a year ago.
theres already a wii homebrew channel
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 13, 2009, 06:30:44 pm »
http://forums.g4tv.com/showthread.php?t=123345 has had over 263 views in under 24 hours.