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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 23, 2009, 12:00:17 am »All of the lies can be proven false though, as they have in my email. And yes, I am in contact with SE.
Ah, well I certainly hope this is the case, and if it is, I give you kudos for actually trying to do something rather than just gripe about it
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 22, 2009, 11:59:27 pm »SE is researching the origins of the troll's email, tracking him down basically for questions. Most of that emails information has been and can be further proven false. My email I had sent covers most of the major aspects of the email (selling for profit, claiming copyright, TF piracy bypass, etc.)
These are the types of posts that I've grown suspicious of.
How can you be sure they are doing this? I hope you are right, but just about anyone could post here claiming just about anything, so I hope you understand my hesitation to outright trust a statement posted by some guy on an internet forum without any further explanation.
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 22, 2009, 11:09:38 pm »HadesKane, what I would call "actual communication" is ongoing. However, there is still nothing newsworthy to report at this time. SE is apparently thinking, and we'll have to give it our patience. And lots of it.
I appreciate the response
I was hoping I was wrong in what I was fearing, and I really do appreciate anyone taking the time to respond.
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 22, 2009, 09:53:55 pm »
I keep reading things like "talk are ongoing" and stuff about the "dialogue between the CE team and SE" and "secret talks" and all this other stuff. I've lurked on the forums for quite a while before registering, and I've used this site extensively for my own research and study for my ongoing fan project. I've tried to follow this thread and the "truth" thread about this issue.
I guess based on what I've read, I must ask, and I think we deserve an honest response.
The "ongoing talks" or "secret talks" or whatever... is this simply the CE Team have sent SE a couple of emails and are simply waiting/hoping for a response? Or is there -actually- something going on?
I'm not trying to be a pessimist or a downer or whatever, but it looks to me like a couple of emails have been sent and everyone is playing the waiting game, and its being represented as though there is actually something happening, and I don't really consider sending a couple of emails then just hoping there will be a response as much of an action, and certainly nothing for the people waiting on the game to be holding onto for hope.
So really all I'm asking is a clarification. I understand if there is actual dialogue going on, the CE team wouldn't be at liberty to divulge anything. But really, I don't think SE is likely threatened by the "bad press" people are claiming they are getting, and I certainly don't think they are under any obligation to or probably even compelled to respond to a handful of emails. So, if that's what is really going on, "we've sent some emails and are simply waiting" then I think we deserve to know that much at least. If that's the case, I would be utterly surprised if there was any response beyond the automated replies people are getting.
Now, don't get me wrong, I HOPE something gets worked out. I HOPE everyone waiting on this gets a chance to play it, I HOPE that SE will ease up because I feel they are being unnecessarily harsh. I'm with the majority here on what they hope to see happen. Truth be told, I had no interest in CE prior to all of this, but all of this has actually got me wanting to play it, funny how that works huh? So yeah, I'm not trying to be a downer or one of those "annoying noobs', I just simply feel like a clarification on whether more is going on other than "hoping" for a response by Square would be nice.
I guess based on what I've read, I must ask, and I think we deserve an honest response.
The "ongoing talks" or "secret talks" or whatever... is this simply the CE Team have sent SE a couple of emails and are simply waiting/hoping for a response? Or is there -actually- something going on?
I'm not trying to be a pessimist or a downer or whatever, but it looks to me like a couple of emails have been sent and everyone is playing the waiting game, and its being represented as though there is actually something happening, and I don't really consider sending a couple of emails then just hoping there will be a response as much of an action, and certainly nothing for the people waiting on the game to be holding onto for hope.
So really all I'm asking is a clarification. I understand if there is actual dialogue going on, the CE team wouldn't be at liberty to divulge anything. But really, I don't think SE is likely threatened by the "bad press" people are claiming they are getting, and I certainly don't think they are under any obligation to or probably even compelled to respond to a handful of emails. So, if that's what is really going on, "we've sent some emails and are simply waiting" then I think we deserve to know that much at least. If that's the case, I would be utterly surprised if there was any response beyond the automated replies people are getting.
Now, don't get me wrong, I HOPE something gets worked out. I HOPE everyone waiting on this gets a chance to play it, I HOPE that SE will ease up because I feel they are being unnecessarily harsh. I'm with the majority here on what they hope to see happen. Truth be told, I had no interest in CE prior to all of this, but all of this has actually got me wanting to play it, funny how that works huh? So yeah, I'm not trying to be a downer or one of those "annoying noobs', I just simply feel like a clarification on whether more is going on other than "hoping" for a response by Square would be nice.
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 15, 2009, 07:47:08 pm »
There are currently about 9 other Final Fantasy or Square based MUDs (one is even called "The Unofficial Squaresoft MUD") listed on the main MUD listing site, so MUDs based on around Square IP isn't unheard of, and in fact, the first one I started developing on got started about 10 years ago.
There is a history of flying under the radar.
I guess my biggest dilemma though really comes from the concern that this move against CE is a show of a genuine "We don't want fan projects based on our games" whereas previous C&D from them seemed more of a concern over protecting revenue. I understand them shutting down the CT Remake because that could cut into revenue in re-releasing the game, such as they did with Final Fantasy Chronicles and Chrono Trigger DS. Something like CE has really no chance of cutting into revenue. No one is going to choose to forgo playing CT in favor of a fan project... if anything, projects like CE simply prove that there still exists a significant market for future Chrono based games and helps keep interest in the series alive.
I genuinely believe fan projects have far more benefit than anything. Afterall, if it weren't for the immense amount of FF7 based fan projects, fan fic, websites, etc. out there, I can't imagine they would have ever revisited that world for the many spin-offs they've made since.
Certainly, the names, characters, likenesses and all that is their property and it is ultimately their decision on who can and can't use them, but things like this seem like a slap in the face to the fans.
Ultimately, I don't want to feel like I'm doing something wrong, something I need to keep hidden, something that I feel a need to "fly under the radar." Ideally, Square would understand and appreciate the immense amount of work and effort their fans are putting into keeping interest in their games alive, and let fan projects like this continue without a problem.
If there is a Chrono sequel on the horizon we don't know about, maybe I can understand why they would pull the plug on CE, but otherwise, this just seems like an example of a big corporation picking on the people that helped them become a big corporation.
There is a history of flying under the radar.
I guess my biggest dilemma though really comes from the concern that this move against CE is a show of a genuine "We don't want fan projects based on our games" whereas previous C&D from them seemed more of a concern over protecting revenue. I understand them shutting down the CT Remake because that could cut into revenue in re-releasing the game, such as they did with Final Fantasy Chronicles and Chrono Trigger DS. Something like CE has really no chance of cutting into revenue. No one is going to choose to forgo playing CT in favor of a fan project... if anything, projects like CE simply prove that there still exists a significant market for future Chrono based games and helps keep interest in the series alive.
I genuinely believe fan projects have far more benefit than anything. Afterall, if it weren't for the immense amount of FF7 based fan projects, fan fic, websites, etc. out there, I can't imagine they would have ever revisited that world for the many spin-offs they've made since.
Certainly, the names, characters, likenesses and all that is their property and it is ultimately their decision on who can and can't use them, but things like this seem like a slap in the face to the fans.
Ultimately, I don't want to feel like I'm doing something wrong, something I need to keep hidden, something that I feel a need to "fly under the radar." Ideally, Square would understand and appreciate the immense amount of work and effort their fans are putting into keeping interest in their games alive, and let fan projects like this continue without a problem.
If there is a Chrono sequel on the horizon we don't know about, maybe I can understand why they would pull the plug on CE, but otherwise, this just seems like an example of a big corporation picking on the people that helped them become a big corporation.
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Site Updates / Re: Cease & Desist Letter
« on: May 15, 2009, 05:10:39 pm »
I hope this isn't some breach of protocol, my apologies if so. I just posted this in another thread then realized the bulk of the conversation was here, so cross posting...
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Despite having had no interest in this release whatsoever, I really hate seeing it end this way and my best wishes go out to anyone who was involved in this project.
I've grown increasingly more concerned with fan projects making a big deal prior to their release. I wonder how matters might have progressed had the old CT remake, and something like CE been completed prior to any publicity, and basically quietly released.
I also wonder how much ground they have to stand on in regards to CE basically just being a patch, but I'm not really qualified to really give any sort of opinion on that one way or the other.
This ordeal, however, does make me a bit more concerned and rethinking my attitude that fan works that don't seek to exhaustively recreate one of Square's games and that don't pose any sort of threat are under the radar and fall under the general umbrella of fan works that most companies don't seem to mind.
You see, I've been working on my own "fan project" for several years now. It is predominately based on Final Fantasy, but there is significant Chrono influence throughout. Some of the major systems are highly influenced by Chrono systems, and about 25% of the game world is directly influenced by areas from Chrono Trigger and Cross. The game is a MUD (Multi-User Dungeon) which is basically a text-based, online, roleplaying game. Without any direct graphical elements and everything done through descriptions, I hope we're fine, but I'm growing increasingly more concerned. I've started compiling a list of terms in order to switch Square copyright terms over to if there ever ends up being a problem. It also gives me pause on how 'known' I would like my project to be. Obviously, the more known we are, the more players we are and the more successful the game is, but... the more likely we'll be noticed and shut down.
So yeah, as someone who has spent years working on a project out of love for the games they've provided us with, I can certainly sympathize with what you guys are going through.
Good luck moving forward.
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Despite having had no interest in this release whatsoever, I really hate seeing it end this way and my best wishes go out to anyone who was involved in this project.
I've grown increasingly more concerned with fan projects making a big deal prior to their release. I wonder how matters might have progressed had the old CT remake, and something like CE been completed prior to any publicity, and basically quietly released.
I also wonder how much ground they have to stand on in regards to CE basically just being a patch, but I'm not really qualified to really give any sort of opinion on that one way or the other.
This ordeal, however, does make me a bit more concerned and rethinking my attitude that fan works that don't seek to exhaustively recreate one of Square's games and that don't pose any sort of threat are under the radar and fall under the general umbrella of fan works that most companies don't seem to mind.
You see, I've been working on my own "fan project" for several years now. It is predominately based on Final Fantasy, but there is significant Chrono influence throughout. Some of the major systems are highly influenced by Chrono systems, and about 25% of the game world is directly influenced by areas from Chrono Trigger and Cross. The game is a MUD (Multi-User Dungeon) which is basically a text-based, online, roleplaying game. Without any direct graphical elements and everything done through descriptions, I hope we're fine, but I'm growing increasingly more concerned. I've started compiling a list of terms in order to switch Square copyright terms over to if there ever ends up being a problem. It also gives me pause on how 'known' I would like my project to be. Obviously, the more known we are, the more players we are and the more successful the game is, but... the more likely we'll be noticed and shut down.
So yeah, as someone who has spent years working on a project out of love for the games they've provided us with, I can certainly sympathize with what you guys are going through.
Good luck moving forward.
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Site Updates / Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« on: May 15, 2009, 05:07:08 pm »
Despite having had no interest in this release whatsoever, I really hate seeing it end this way and my best wishes go out to anyone who was involved in this project.
I've grown increasingly more concerned with fan projects making a big deal prior to their release. I wonder how matters might have progressed had the old CT remake, and something like CE been completed prior to any publicity, and basically quietly released.
I also wonder how much ground they have to stand on in regards to CE basically just being a patch, but I'm not really qualified to really give any sort of opinion on that one way or the other.
This ordeal, however, does make me a bit more concerned and rethinking my attitude that fan works that don't seek to exhaustively recreate one of Square's games and that don't pose any sort of threat are under the radar and fall under the general umbrella of fan works that most companies don't seem to mind.
You see, I've been working on my own "fan project" for several years now. It is predominately based on Final Fantasy, but there is significant Chrono influence throughout. Some of the major systems are highly influenced by Chrono systems, and about 25% of the game world is directly influenced by areas from Chrono Trigger and Cross. The game is a MUD (Multi-User Dungeon) which is basically a text-based, online, roleplaying game. Without any direct graphical elements and everything done through descriptions, I hope we're fine, but I'm growing increasingly more concerned. I've started compiling a list of terms in order to switch Square copyright terms over to if there ever ends up being a problem. It also gives me pause on how 'known' I would like my project to be. Obviously, the more known we are, the more players we are and the more successful the game is, but... the more likely we'll be noticed and shut down.
So yeah, as someone who has spent years working on a project out of love for the games they've provided us with, I can certainly sympathize with what you guys are going through.
Good luck moving forward.
I've grown increasingly more concerned with fan projects making a big deal prior to their release. I wonder how matters might have progressed had the old CT remake, and something like CE been completed prior to any publicity, and basically quietly released.
I also wonder how much ground they have to stand on in regards to CE basically just being a patch, but I'm not really qualified to really give any sort of opinion on that one way or the other.
This ordeal, however, does make me a bit more concerned and rethinking my attitude that fan works that don't seek to exhaustively recreate one of Square's games and that don't pose any sort of threat are under the radar and fall under the general umbrella of fan works that most companies don't seem to mind.
You see, I've been working on my own "fan project" for several years now. It is predominately based on Final Fantasy, but there is significant Chrono influence throughout. Some of the major systems are highly influenced by Chrono systems, and about 25% of the game world is directly influenced by areas from Chrono Trigger and Cross. The game is a MUD (Multi-User Dungeon) which is basically a text-based, online, roleplaying game. Without any direct graphical elements and everything done through descriptions, I hope we're fine, but I'm growing increasingly more concerned. I've started compiling a list of terms in order to switch Square copyright terms over to if there ever ends up being a problem. It also gives me pause on how 'known' I would like my project to be. Obviously, the more known we are, the more players we are and the more successful the game is, but... the more likely we'll be noticed and shut down.
So yeah, as someone who has spent years working on a project out of love for the games they've provided us with, I can certainly sympathize with what you guys are going through.
Good luck moving forward.
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: [ - [ HELP THE CHRONO SERIES OUT by doing something EASY ] - ]
« on: March 30, 2009, 12:40:42 am »
Could someone else possibly clue me in since its been a week since I sent my email and still haven't seen a response?
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: [ - [ HELP THE CHRONO SERIES OUT by doing something EASY ] - ]
« on: March 26, 2009, 04:55:17 pm »
Based on the amount of my recent spam emails having to do with auto insurance, I now strongly suspect one of the online insurance quotes I got from one of the major auto insurance companies is the culprit for the recent surge of spam. Unfortunate timing I guess, but I didn't think it would hurt to ask.
I'm afraid amidst all of the rush of spam I just started getting, I might have missed the email from Zeality, so I'm going to try a PM this time, eager to see what is going on...
I'm afraid amidst all of the rush of spam I just started getting, I might have missed the email from Zeality, so I'm going to try a PM this time, eager to see what is going on...
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: [ - [ HELP THE CHRONO SERIES OUT by doing something EASY ] - ]
« on: March 25, 2009, 08:43:41 pm »
I've been using this site for reference for my own fan project for a long time.
I sent an email several days ago but have yet to get a reply.
I have noticed since sending that email, my daily amount of junk mail has sky rocketed. Is this just a coincidence? Anyone else have this experience?
I just registered now to ask this question...
A few more days, and I might send the PM to try to find out what this big deal is supposed to be since sending the email hasn't done any good so far.
I sent an email several days ago but have yet to get a reply.
I have noticed since sending that email, my daily amount of junk mail has sky rocketed. Is this just a coincidence? Anyone else have this experience?
I just registered now to ask this question...
A few more days, and I might send the PM to try to find out what this big deal is supposed to be since sending the email hasn't done any good so far.