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Time, Space, and Dimensions / 2 Time Traveling Theories

« on: June 24, 2005, 10:52:58 pm »

It's a plot hole as far as I'm concerned.

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Reality, Real-World Connections, and the Supernatural / Minor comment...

« on: June 24, 2005, 10:52:09 pm »

Good commentary on Revelation and Emperor Domitian.  I'm not a big fan of the "Left Behind" style literal interpretations of Revelation.  It's clearly figurative language.

(along with books like James, which is rife with theological problems. 'Abraham believed and it was credited to him as righteousness. So you see that it is through works that we are saved...', or something near that. It contradicts itself, see?)

This is often considered a theolgical problem, but I disagree.  People say that Paul was teaching salvation by faith and James was teaching salvation by works.  It was really different emphasis based on their audiences.  Paul was writing to churches carried away with legalism, and James was writing to people doing just the opposite.  Both this passage (James 2:15-26) and Paul's writings (in Romans 4:3-5, 22-25, and 5:1) reference the same passage: Genesis 15:6, where it is written that Abraham believed the Lord and it was credited to him as righteousness.  Paul emphasizes Abraham's faith, and James emphasizes Abraham's good works as an outworking/result of his faith (especially in his willingness to sacrifice Isaac - the ultimate test of faith).  They're teaching the same thing, only with different emphasis.
As John Calvin said: "It is therefore faith alone which justifies and yet the faith which justifies is not alone."

Sorry about hijacking the thread temporarily.

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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Chrono Break

« on: June 24, 2005, 10:36:12 pm »

Anyone got any ideas what the plot/storyline would be?

Cross seemed to create more questions than it answered...

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / About Starky

« on: June 19, 2005, 02:58:30 pm »

I doubt even if Starky's people were going to blow up the earth because of Lavos, or just because they deemed it worthless, that they actually carried it out, because unless they did it after the year 2400, Chronopolis was still built, and before Crono killed Lavos, the post-Apocolypse 2300 existed. But there wasn't any indication that the earth lives after 2400, but not really any indication that it was distroyed either.

Isn't Starky's ship crashed in the sea?  In the original timeline, he was probably killed by drowning way out in the sea and could never report back to his people.  In the new timeline, he survives because El Nido is now there; he's no longer dropped hundreds of miles from land.  So the possibility of destroying the earth to stop Lavos remains, until he teams up with the party and realizes Lavos is destroyed and they manage to defeat the Time Devourer.

Of course, this is all just speculation.

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Wow (Dead Sea and other stuff)

« on: June 17, 2005, 04:44:35 pm »

I see the Time Devourer merging with Schala as a potential plot hole.  When will they merge completely and destroy all timelines?  And why does it take time for this to happen?  Does time actually pass in the DBT?  It seems as if Serge would be beaten before the game began.  If the DBT exists outside of time or something like that, the instant Schala is thrown in there BOOM all reality is consumed.  If time passes the same there as in the regular world then it wouldn't necessarily be like this.  I'm probably not explaining myself very well, and I might be missing something.  

When will the Time Devourer destroy everything, and what determines this?  That's my big question.

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Wow (Dead Sea and other stuff)

« on: June 17, 2005, 03:55:32 pm »

The future of Home World is assured as soon as the Dimensional Split occurs and Home is fissioned off from Another.  See the previous posts on why the Dimensional Splitting prevents Crono from saving Home World.

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Wow (Dead Sea and other stuff)

« on: June 17, 2005, 02:08:37 pm »

No, because things in time don't happen until they are actually done.

But Lavos' Apocalypse happened "before" Crono timetravels (Crono visits the ruined future, not the one which should exist provided Lavos didn't get out of his pocket dimension), so couldn't Serge's destruction of the future happens "before" the game events too (sort of)?

By "the game" are you referring to Trigger or Cross?

Crono had to see the ruined future to kick off his quest to kill Lavos.  Thus the future is saved, the Time Crash occurs because of the new future.  El Nido is formed in the past, forming the events of Cross.  Themn, because of Serge, Chronopolis, Schala, Kid, and the dimension splitting, their is once again an apocalyptic future in Home World.  This was due to Crono's actions, which were a result of seeing the apocalyptic future.  Is this what you were inquiring about?

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Lynx/Dark Serge's Having Kid Around

« on: June 16, 2005, 03:23:43 pm »

Okay, maybe a dumb question.  It's been awhile since I've played CC...

If Kid's pendant rewinds time a bit to save her from death, why the whole poison-knife/hydra humor incident/quest.  Shouldn't she be just fine and forget getting stabbed on the balcony?  Or did she not have her pendant at that particular time?  And where exactly in the game are the pendant's properties explained?

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Impossibilities?

« on: June 16, 2005, 03:18:32 pm »

Let's just admit it's a plothole.  Doan might not even exist in the future under the changed circumstances, and even if he did, he'd have no knowledge of Lavos or Crono and Co.  And he'd definately be wearing different clothing  

I never really liked that at the end.  I thought it would've been better if only Crono and his friends knew the whole story (and maybe Gaspar and Spekkio).  All Crono would get credit for in his own time would be defeating Yakra XIII and the plot against the king; no one would know he saved the future from Lavos.  He'd still get to marry Marle and become Prince of Guardia and be a hero, but his time travel exploits would remain mostly a secret...

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Wow (Dead Sea and other stuff)

« on: June 16, 2005, 11:33:37 am »

No, because things in time don't happen until they are actually done.

what?

I think what he's saying is this:

Crono and Co. go back in time a slightly alter events in 12,000 BC.  However, FIRST, 12,000 BC passes "naturally" so to speak.  THEN 1000 AD rolls around, Crono starts his adventuring, and then goes back and changes 12,000 BC.  Makes my head hurt kind of, because after this, the old timelone is eliminated meaning things ALWAYS happened as Crono had affected them, but then by law of the Time Bastard Theorem, Magus and the Gurus still remember the old timeline that never was, etc...

Ugghhhh, time travel causes insanity I'm sure of it!

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Wow (Dead Sea and other stuff)

« on: June 15, 2005, 08:58:40 pm »

so why wouldn't a Crono exist in Home World that time traveled and eventually destroyed Lavos? Maybe I'm not understanding since I don't know anything about Time Erorr...

It's important to note the split occured in 1010AD, not 1000 when Crono's journey's began.  I'll try and explain this as best I can.

Before the split, there's one timeline.  Crono hops from 1000 to 2300 and back as much as he likes.  Then, in 1010, the timeline is split in two STARTING FROM THAT POINT.  Thus, there's ONE Crono in 1000, but TWO apocalyptic futures because the dimensions split.  When Crono goes forward and fixes things, it's only in Another World, poor Home (the aberration), is left out.

Here's a link to a diagram of the timeline changes and the Home/Another Split:
http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/b/b1/Timelines.png

Crono time travels just as before, along his timeline.  He can only time travel within his timeline, since an extra Crono isn't created when he goes into the future to cover both dimensions.  Does this kinda make sense?  I'm not good at explaining it.  There are others here who can better illustrate and draw prettier diagrams.

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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Lavos and the Beginning

« on: June 13, 2005, 03:31:10 pm »

Lots of this discussion connects with some talk about the character of Starky:
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=566

Seeing as he comes from some type of advanced species, how much knowledge would he or his people have about Lavos?  Does he recognize the Flame, or is his character response just like the others in which the Flame triggers an idea of memory?  What is Starky doing in El Nido?  Doing research on Lavos or scouting out the planet or what?

After all this talk, I find Starky's character much more interesting than I once did...

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / About Starky

« on: June 12, 2005, 05:53:10 pm »

Perhaps Starky's race is an intergalactic force whose primary purpose is to rid the universe of Lavoids? Maybe once a planet has had a Lavoid for too long, as the CT/CC Planet might have had, they simply destroy it unless there are some valuable resources. Finding none on Crono and Serge's world, they deemed it more appropriate to destroy the Lavoid by destroying the planet than to try to eliminate only the parasite and keep those resources for their parent empire. Or something along those lines.

I like this idea.  In the original timeline, perhaps Starky died when his ship crashed in the middle of the ocean, thus he never reported back, and the planet died via Lavos before Starky's people could destroy it.

In the new timeline, post-Time Crash, Starky survived due to not being in the middle of the ocean (with the prescence of El Nido where there had previously been nothing).  He helps destroy the Time Devourer, and learning that Lavos is eliminated in 1999, the planet no longer needs to be destroyed.

However, if there are big advanced races out there like Starky's people, how did they not stumble on the Time Devourer before Belthaesar did?  Wouldn't they understand Time Travel if puny humans could?  And if so, why wouldn't they have done anything about it?  Unless Starky was maybe a part of Project Kid, and Belthaesar's been working with alien races!  Hmmmm, mayhaps a bit far-fetched...

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Lynx/Dark Serge's Having Kid Around

« on: May 02, 2005, 08:30:51 pm »

now, as for Dark Serge stabbing kid, shouldnt Kid remmber that, and put two and two together?  The game said that her pendant rewinds time a bit, and puts her into safety.  I'm pretty sure that she forgets everything that happens in the time prior to being pulled to safety, forgeting the short term memories.

Where exactly is this explained in the game?  By rewinding time do you mean just her memory or what?  I forget...
I also thought it was silly that Lynx/Dark Serge kept Kid alive, because she figured out the trick right before being stabbed.  But if she forgets that moment...

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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Zeal/Ocean Palace Paradox/Loose Ends?

« on: April 02, 2005, 02:32:23 pm »

Who is that guy?

The goofy individual I have for my avatar is Emil Zatopek, Czech running legend known as "The Locomotive."  

He accomplished the nearly impossible in the 1952 Olympics in Helsinki, winning the three longest races (the 5,000, the 10,000, and the Marathon) in a span of 8 days and setting Olympic records in all 3.  It was also the first time he had ever run a Marathon.  During his life he set 18 world records in distances ranging from the 5,000 to the 30,000.

Sadly, he has nothing to do with Chrono Trigger or Chrono Cross