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Magic, Elements, and Technology / Found! Power Spots are confirmed!

« on: February 18, 2005, 04:48:23 pm »

Even if the Dragonians were the ones who originally had the elements, Chronopolis defeated them and then incorparated the Elements and Dragonians into El Nido.

I already thought that it was the Dragonians' technology first, anyway.

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / True nature of Dreamstone

« on: February 18, 2005, 11:43:48 am »

In the eyes of the Dragons, we humans are the
foes... A brain that has developed abnormally to 3 times the original size in the span
of 3 million years... We humans have evolved at an enormous rate because of our
contact with Lavos's flame...

Maybe the "original size" doesn't correspond to the humans from Ayla's era. Before touching the Frozen Flame, the human species did evolve naturally from real apes etc. Perhaps the face is actually referring to a less evolved kind of primate (Homininae or something), or the apes who first made contact with the Dreamstone and became conscious, I don't know.

Well, it's never been determined whether Dreamstone has anything to do with the humans' evolution in the first place. And it had to be the prehistoric humans who evolved from the FF, because if not then we'd have to throw Marle's geneology out the window.

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / True nature of Dreamstone

« on: February 18, 2005, 04:03:04 am »

And what do you mean by Magus having his magic drained by Lavos? Magus was an innate--Lavos couldn't take Magus's magic away because Lavos wasn't the source (not directly at least). With the Enlightened Ones who survived the fall of Zeal, Lavos could take their magic away because they were not innates, they relied on the Mammon Machine for their powers.

I believe that's the commonly accepted IC reason for why he loses all his boss-like abilities. Lavos drains his power in the Ocean Palace disaster.

Ah, ok. I didn't know if that was what you were talking about.

What I meant by the brain thing is that 3x the brain mass is a big number, considering that the Ioka's heads don't look to be half as small as the evolved people's heads.

I guess our brains just fit more snugly in our heads  

Quite, but whereas a human brain is around the size of a canteloupe, 3x smaller than that is a golf ball. I find it hard to believe that the prehistoric tribes were capable of intelligent thought, let alone speech, with a brain the same size as an ostrich's. (Although if that's the case, Spekkio was being nice when saying why he couldn't give Ayla magic. )

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / True nature of Dreamstone

« on: February 18, 2005, 02:22:31 am »

While the Frozen Flame evolved the humans to be able to use magic, they didn't get their magic from the Frozen Flame. They originally got their magic from the Sun Stone, and then the Mammon Machine.

And what do you mean by Magus having his magic drained by Lavos? Magus was an innate--Lavos couldn't take Magus's magic away because Lavos wasn't the source (not directly at least). With the Enlightened Ones who survived the fall of Zeal, Lavos could take their magic away because they were not innates, they relied on the Mammon Machine for their powers.

What I meant by the brain thing is that 3x the brain mass is a big number, considering that the Ioka's heads don't look to be half as small as the evolved people's heads.

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / True nature of Dreamstone

« on: February 18, 2005, 01:55:29 am »

Yeah, I don't know about that 3 times increase in brain size thing, Ayla and the Ioka aren't THAT stupid.

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Magus's Weakness to the Masamune

« on: February 18, 2005, 12:11:37 am »

Masa: Heh heh.
Mune: That's it! That was special!
Masa: Quite. I guess it means that a Hero's power comes from within.
Mune: Mucha metaphysical, man.
Masa: Like, MIND over matter, Mune!
Frog: My... mind?
Mune: Now for a yummy, full-on test!
Masa: It's thrasin' time!
Frog: 'Tis flowing with strength and vigor. Ahh! 'Tis the true identity of the Masamune!! Cyrus, I promise to fulfill your wishes! 'Tis a sad farewell! Onward, all!

A Hero's power comes from within. Ok.... that says nothing about the power of the sword coming from the wielder, you are twisting the words around. You assume that this conversation has something to do with the swords transformation and not the transformation within Frog, I didnt really catch on that you looked at it that way.
At the end of the conversation Masa and Mune power themselves up and recombine into the sword - - - THEN it is flowing with strength and vigor, the transformation of the sword occurred AFTER the conversation. I think you missed that.

Yes, but Masa and Mune couldn't transform the sword without the transformation within Frog. Explanatory metaphor time--Masa and Mune needed Frog to unlock the door so they could open it.

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Polling / 2/19/05 - If you had a CT element, which one would it be?

« on: February 17, 2005, 10:55:07 pm »

Pfff. Crono's so cool he doesn't need words.

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General Discussion / Forum Style Ideas!

« on: February 17, 2005, 10:41:42 pm »

Yes, indeed!

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Magic, Elements, and Technology / Found! Power Spots are confirmed!

« on: February 17, 2005, 10:35:18 pm »

But the Chrono Cross is a special case. It's a mix of all the other elements, and one can't necessarily determine what the ingredients look like from looking at the final product. Example-- table salt: you can't just look at table salt, and figure out what Sodium and Chlorine--the components it's made out of--look like.

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Magus's Weakness to the Masamune

« on: February 17, 2005, 10:24:59 pm »

If Magus was affected by the Masamune just because it was made of Dreamstone, then he would've known it could do that already. Instead, after defeating him in his castle, he is suprised. The sword was made of Dreamstone before it broke and after it was fixed. That is why Frog is the reason the Masamune worked so well on Magus.

Thats not a very stable conclusion. "This happend...so it was Frog!!!!"

nah. Besides you seem to be underestimating Cyrus's will to slay Magus. The Masamune is a magical sword with magical properties, so it doesnt really matter who uses it, if they know what they are doing, they will gain great power.

Masa & Mune themselves say that the true power of the sword comes from the wielder. Frog's the wielder. I'd say that's a fact.

And what do the people of 600 AD know about the Masamune anyway? Do they know it's made of Dreamstone? No. Do they know it was made originally to take out the Mammon Machine and free the Enlightened Ones from Lavos? No. All they know about it is its name, and that it has powers. Not once in the game do you hear a townsperson, soldier, or anyone who mentions the Masamune say what it's actually for or what it can do. They just say "The legendary sword Masamune etc etc". How do we know Cyrus knew how to use the Masamune to its fullest? Frog accidentally unlocked its full power when laying Cyrus's spirit to rest. Even Masa and Mune didn't know how to use it to its fullest until then. If the beings who essentially are the sword don't know everything about it, then how can you just assume that Cyrus knows everything about it?

In the Magus fight, Frog could have been focusing on defeating Magus so much that he was using the power of the sword to weaken Magus's shield without even knowing he was doing it.

Just because a sword has magical properties doesn't mean the person using it knows what those properties are or how to use them.

Also, when Cyrus and Glenn encounter Magus and Ozzie, that happens at Denadoro, right? If that's the case, then Cyrus just got the sword and definitely wouldn't have had the time to figure out how to use it's power.

Finally, I didn't say anything close to "This happend...so it was Frog!!!!". I provided various quotes and comparisons and reasons from the game for why I believe what I stated. So instead of just saying

nah

how about you provide founded reasons from data in the game to argue against my point?

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / The Masamune

« on: February 17, 2005, 02:55:15 pm »

After defeating Dario, Masa & Mune choose Serge as the new wielder, thereby treating the Dario battle as a test for Serge.

Well, Serge never wielded the Masamune sword, since it was finally destroyed when he defeated Dario. Masa, Mune and Doreen then just decided to bind themselves to Serge's Sea Swallow.

I thought of it as the Masamune being fused into/onto Serge's swallow by them, not destroyed.

Radius and Dario both succumbed to the sword because they weren't strong enough to resist the evil in it; if Masa & Mune had been awake, then they wouldn't have been able to pick up the sword, since Masa & Mune would've tested them and they would have failed.

Note that Frog wasn't tested when he first wielded the Masamune.

Frog was already tested and passed at least 10 years prior, when he and Cyrus went to get the Masamune. The test given by Masa and Mune can be passed by multiple people at the same time, because otherwise you would have fought Masa & Mune with Crono alone.

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / True nature of Dreamstone

« on: February 17, 2005, 01:33:13 pm »

The Earthbound Ones didn't seem to have decreased mental capacity, they just weren't to be able to use magic--after the fall of Zeal, one of the former Enlightened Ones says that no distinction remains between them and the Earthbound Ones. Also, not all of the Enlightened Ones died, and over 13000 years the genetic marker for magic would be passed down from generation to generation and would find it's way into the majority of the humans, if not all of the humans.  13000 years is a long time.

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Time, Space, and Dimensions / There an easy answer to this?

« on: February 17, 2005, 01:26:09 pm »

Guardia may not have the pendant anymore, but Marle would keep hers due to time traveler's immunity.

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Magus's Weakness to the Masamune

« on: February 16, 2005, 10:54:17 pm »

Alright, maybe that's not the exact word I was looking for, but at the very least he could be...I dunno...Covering up how badly he was beaten by simply tossing it all of as it being the fact that the Masamune was somehow more powerful that time...

Or the Masamune could actually be stronger that time, and he meant what he said about it. Now we're going back and forth.

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Magus's Weakness to the Masamune

« on: February 16, 2005, 08:54:16 pm »

I think it's possible, quite so, that Magus is simply being pompus when he says "what have you done to the Masamune". He can be saying this not because there is any actual change with the Masamune, but only because this time he lost to it's wielder.

Possibly, but there are only two instances I can think of where things don't go Magus's way and he seems (to me, at least) genuinely suprised. The first is after defeating him in his castle, and the other is after he reveals himself in the Ocean Palace and his attack on Lavos proves futile.

Magus seems to be pompous very little in the game, but then again, depending on how you interpret it, almost everything he says in the game could be considered pompous.