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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
« on: November 24, 2008, 08:20:15 pm »
Confuse is now Frenzy. Now that name makes sence for the attack.
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Is Guile an amnesiac post-CTDS Magus?
« on: November 23, 2008, 09:00:51 pm »
I support that theory, and about those three areas, I don't know. Probably explored by party ''B'' too.
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: New DS ending, did it really happen? Canon discussion
« on: November 23, 2008, 07:21:15 pm »
My opinion remains as it is: The Crono and company who fought the Dream Devourer and the ones who fought Lavos are two different versions. They did fought the being, but they aren't the same who fought Lavos.
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Is Guile an amnesiac post-CTDS Magus?
« on: November 23, 2008, 04:43:57 pm »I do hope it will be DS, since otherwise I'll have to buy a PSP. But I'm saving money just in case
Me too. Although right now I have the money, I usually don't buy a new console for just one game. But who knows, if the game is good enough, I may do. And considering it is Chrono Cross, then I will.
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Chrono Trigger DS New Ending Analysis (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)
« on: November 23, 2008, 04:36:24 pm »
''I'm not following your logic. There has to have been a point in 1000 AD where there was no forest, or else Chrono and team would never have planted the seed. If you go back in time and change something, the changes are evident only after you make the change. Just as the Chrono series explains, every time something in a timeline is changed in the past, it creates a "new dimension" proceeding from that point forward. The characters return to the new dimension where there is a forest, and the old dimension without a forest is relegated to the Darkness Beyond Time. I believe.''
There, there it is the answer. It goes like this:
1st. Time Line (Without forest):
1,000
1) Crono arrives here with the seed. No forest.
2) He travels to the year 600.
First time line from 600 onward is sent to the DBT, 2nd time line is created.
2nd Time Line (With Forest):
600
1) Crono arrives from 1,000.
2) Crono plants the seed.
3) Crono returns to 1,000.
600-1,000
1) Forest grows.
1,000
1) By TTI, Crono arrives with the seed. He sees the forest.
2) Crono decides there is no need to plant it anymore.
3) By TB, Crono disappears the moment the other one, who did travel, went to 600.
4) By TTI, the Crono who did planted the seed returns to find the forest.
There, it works that way.
There, there it is the answer. It goes like this:
1st. Time Line (Without forest):
1,000
1) Crono arrives here with the seed. No forest.
2) He travels to the year 600.
First time line from 600 onward is sent to the DBT, 2nd time line is created.
2nd Time Line (With Forest):
600
1) Crono arrives from 1,000.
2) Crono plants the seed.
3) Crono returns to 1,000.
600-1,000
1) Forest grows.
1,000
1) By TTI, Crono arrives with the seed. He sees the forest.
2) Crono decides there is no need to plant it anymore.
3) By TB, Crono disappears the moment the other one, who did travel, went to 600.
4) By TTI, the Crono who did planted the seed returns to find the forest.
There, it works that way.
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Chrono Trigger DS New Ending Analysis (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)
« on: November 23, 2008, 04:11:30 pm »I prefer to see it as when a change is made to an era, the characters will only see those changes in subsequent visits. It makes things (thankfully) much less confusing. For example, there is the normal flow of time, and there is the character's timeline.I think the ones who fight the DD are past versions of them, who were surprised to find the Temporal Vortexes and the portal to Time's Eclipse and decided to check them out. Those areas open after the defeat of Lavos, so why not a past version of them (who can, unlike the current ones, who defeated Lavos and went their separate ways) traveled to those places?Pardon me if I do say that this makes no sense.
Taken from a previous post of mine:
After all, even if they are in, for example, 600 A.D. fighting Retinite, before, while going for the Masamune, there wasn't any Sunken Desert, but after telling the woman in Zeal not to burn the seed, there now is, meaning all past versions who crossed 600 A.D. for various reasons (Looking for the Masamune, going to Magus's Castle, etc.), are now going to see the place. Eventually, they will get Time Bastarded, but still, they can do something that can make a further change to the time line to the ones already done (thankfully they don't, or else more troubles could arrise to keep track of the continuity).
They travel through 1,000 AD at first, there is no forest. -> They then travel to 600 AD and planet the seed. -> They go back to 1000 AD and the forest is there. -> The history books say that a forest grew there starting in 600 AD.
But that does not mean that they forest was there in their past visits to 1000 AD.
It will be, since the first time-line-chronological event was the planting of the seed. After that, the forest will grow. In their first travel through 1,000 A.D., the forest will be there. True, it eliminates the need to plant the seed now, but we have Time Bastard and Time Traveler Immunity to solve this. Then, when the ones who planted the seed return to 1,000 A.D., the forest will be there thanks to their change.
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Chrono Trigger DS New Ending Analysis (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)
« on: November 23, 2008, 03:57:56 pm »I think the ones who fight the DD are past versions of them, who were surprised to find the Temporal Vortexes and the portal to Time's Eclipse and decided to check them out. Those areas open after the defeat of Lavos, so why not a past version of them (who can, unlike the current ones, who defeated Lavos and went their separate ways) traveled to those places?Pardon me if I do say that this makes no sense.
Taken from a previous post of mine:
After all, even if they are in, for example, 600 A.D. fighting Retinite, before, while going for the Masamune, there wasn't any Sunken Desert, but after telling the woman in Zeal not to burn the seed, there now is, meaning all past versions who crossed 600 A.D. for various reasons (Looking for the Masamune, going to Magus's Castle, etc.), are now going to see the place. Eventually, they will get Time Bastarded, but still, they can do something that can make a further change to the time line to the ones already done (thankfully they don't, or else more troubles could arrise to keep track of the continuity).
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Chrono Trigger DS New Ending Analysis (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)
« on: November 23, 2008, 03:54:13 pm »
I think the ones who fight the DD are past versions of them, who were surprised to find the Temporal Vortexes and the portal to Time's Eclipse and decided to check them out. Those areas open after the defeat of Lavos, so why not a past version of them (who can, unlike the current ones, who defeated Lavos and went their separate ways) traveled to those places?
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Chrono Trigger DS New Ending Analysis (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)
« on: November 23, 2008, 02:28:12 pm »we could be him and any other zealian that helped him in his battle.
But if he wonders if it is the future of Crono and company then that 'we' refers to them.
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Chrono Trigger DS New Ending Analysis (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)
« on: November 23, 2008, 02:20:09 pm »My theory is that the ocean palace events happened the prophet got his ass kicked by lavos again schala got sucked up but the prophet kept fighting eventually getting to the new ending stuff we see in CT:DS. It explains his new persona cause we don't know how long it's been.
It can't be, Magus mentions 'we' as in he was with the party when Lavos was defeated.
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Chrono Trigger DS New Ending Analysis (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)
« on: November 23, 2008, 11:47:33 am »
Hey, that can work, they can be past versions of them that got sidetracked by these new places.
After all, even if they are in, for example, 600 A.D. fighting Retinite, before, while going for the Masamune, there wasn't any Sunken Desert, but after telling the woman in Zeal not to burn the seed, there now is, meaning all past versions who crossed 600 A.D. for various reasons (Looking for the Masamune, going to Magus's Castle, etc.), are now going to see the place. Eventually, they will get Time Bastarded, but still, they can do something that can make a further change to the time line to the ones already done (thankfully they don't, or else more troubles could arrise to keep track of the continuity).
So, it can work, while preparing to fight Lavos, they stumble across these new places, opened by their future versions who defeated Lavos, decided to check them out, but in the end, it's meaningless since they got Time Bastarded after.
After all, even if they are in, for example, 600 A.D. fighting Retinite, before, while going for the Masamune, there wasn't any Sunken Desert, but after telling the woman in Zeal not to burn the seed, there now is, meaning all past versions who crossed 600 A.D. for various reasons (Looking for the Masamune, going to Magus's Castle, etc.), are now going to see the place. Eventually, they will get Time Bastarded, but still, they can do something that can make a further change to the time line to the ones already done (thankfully they don't, or else more troubles could arrise to keep track of the continuity).
So, it can work, while preparing to fight Lavos, they stumble across these new places, opened by their future versions who defeated Lavos, decided to check them out, but in the end, it's meaningless since they got Time Bastarded after.
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Chrono Trigger DS New Ending Analysis (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)
« on: November 23, 2008, 12:55:15 am »
I don't see how would they fight the Dream Devourer before defeating Lavos itself. So, it must be the latter of number 9 in radicalblues' list.
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Chrono Trigger DS New Ending Analysis (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)
« on: November 22, 2008, 10:46:56 pm »I'd like this better if, instead of going emo and erasing his memories, Magus decided he'd find a way to break her free, discovers her identity as Kid, and then they go off having merry adventures as thieves while he tries to get her memory back. Then they meet the musician Serge, and although Magus doesn't realize it yet, Lavos is much like the Mandora Monster in that the only way to break one free is with... LOOOOOOOOOOOVE~!
Also you may put that comic in Chrono Comix, of course.
Yeah, I also like Radical Dreamers better in that aspect.
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Chrono Trigger DS New Ending Analysis (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)
« on: November 22, 2008, 08:16:22 pm »
The whole thing with the Dream Devourer could be easier to understand if it wasn't for the party appearing there. If they weren't, the whole thing could have gone like this:
1) Lavos is defeated.
2) Dream Devourer is born.
3) Magus somehow founds his way to where it is.
4) Magus attempts to kill it, but he can't.
5) Schala sends him away, where he decides to wipe out his memory.
6) Magus appears in the forest with amnesia.
From there, I'm not sure, but it could work if only Crono and the others doesn't appear there. Maybe, just maybe, going there is optional, but the events happening in there definetly not. Just a thought.
Even so, I don't like that he got amnesia in the end. If he could have only decided to just try again, and found a way to contact Belthasar, but no, not always things go as you want them.
1) Lavos is defeated.
2) Dream Devourer is born.
3) Magus somehow founds his way to where it is.
4) Magus attempts to kill it, but he can't.
5) Schala sends him away, where he decides to wipe out his memory.
6) Magus appears in the forest with amnesia.
From there, I'm not sure, but it could work if only Crono and the others doesn't appear there. Maybe, just maybe, going there is optional, but the events happening in there definetly not. Just a thought.
Even so, I don't like that he got amnesia in the end. If he could have only decided to just try again, and found a way to contact Belthasar, but no, not always things go as you want them.
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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
« on: November 22, 2008, 02:22:16 pm »
But then, how does they learn about the DD? Ok, maybe Gaspar tells them. And then, how does Magus arrives there?