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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Taking another look at how Serge's survival causes Home World's destruction
« on: April 28, 2008, 07:24:07 pm »
My logic is not simply that the Time Devourer needs a soul (ala Schala). I mean, Serge is powerful but ordinary as far as being a human goes. But what makes Serge SPECIAL is the fact that he's the Arbiter of the Frozen Flame. As such, we can control the Frozen Flame itself. Remember the Frozen Flame itself is powerful enough to destroy and segregate the unified organic Dragon God into six separate entities - in fact, some claim that it has certain 'wish granting' properties.
By absorbing Serge, the Time Devourer would thus gain the powers of the Frozen Flame, as well. This is because Serge can control the Frozen Flame (as it's Arbiter). Although, it should be noted that Serge DOES NOT use the flame.
As such, Serge is ultimately the catalyst. Had he not've come into the Frozen Flame, had he not've traveled to the Darkness of Time and attempted to use the Chrono Cross element, then things would be different.
By absorbing Serge, the Time Devourer would thus gain the powers of the Frozen Flame, as well. This is because Serge can control the Frozen Flame (as it's Arbiter). Although, it should be noted that Serge DOES NOT use the flame.
As such, Serge is ultimately the catalyst. Had he not've come into the Frozen Flame, had he not've traveled to the Darkness of Time and attempted to use the Chrono Cross element, then things would be different.
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General Discussion / Re: YOUR Video Game character similarities
« on: April 28, 2008, 04:34:08 pm »
I wish I could grow a beard.
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General Discussion / Re: YOUR Video Game character similarities
« on: April 28, 2008, 03:23:57 pm »
1.) Thought may have the greatest picture of ALL TIME. I truly, deeply found that... well... enthralling.
2.) Thought officially looks like Gordon Freeman. Albeit Gordon Freeman getting married to Alex Vance (Half Life 2: Episode III, anyone?!)...
3.) Thought may be the oldest one here. He's like ... a bajillion years old.
4.) Just kidding, homie. You da man.
5.) I want to photoshop a crowbar into that picture.
6.) How many numerical points is this guy going to make?
2.) Thought officially looks like Gordon Freeman. Albeit Gordon Freeman getting married to Alex Vance (Half Life 2: Episode III, anyone?!)...
3.) Thought may be the oldest one here. He's like ... a bajillion years old.
4.) Just kidding, homie. You da man.
5.) I want to photoshop a crowbar into that picture.
6.) How many numerical points is this guy going to make?
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General Discussion / Re: YOUR Video Game character similarities
« on: April 28, 2008, 02:41:00 pm »
Yeah, I hear ya Thought. For instance, I couldn't really find any pictures of me WITH my significant other. Sad...
And the pictures I COULD find were of us looking disgusting at House Parties.
(I sometimes throw House Parties - sometimes dance parties with indie music - not techno or house music, but just fast and fun indie music. I also sometimes have shows at my house, letting bands play in the living room or on the porch. It's sad, thought. I'm moving to Birmingham in July and most likely the house parties will end...)
And the pictures I COULD find were of us looking disgusting at House Parties.
(I sometimes throw House Parties - sometimes dance parties with indie music - not techno or house music, but just fast and fun indie music. I also sometimes have shows at my house, letting bands play in the living room or on the porch. It's sad, thought. I'm moving to Birmingham in July and most likely the house parties will end...)
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General Discussion / Re: YOUR Video Game character similarities
« on: April 28, 2008, 01:56:53 pm »
I know, right? Internet forums are only a thin slice of who we are. It's just always so interesting to at least have a face of the other people we converse with so regularly.
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Taking another look at how Serge's survival causes Home World's destruction
« on: April 28, 2008, 01:54:41 pm »
My understanding of Serge's role in the destruction of the timeline has to do with his existence. In the original timeline he was supposed to die. However, due to the intervention of both Schala and Kid, Serge survived. Right there time was altered to such an extent that the future was in jeopardy.
By simply existing when he's not supposed to, Serge created two timelines. I personally feel that the differences in the two timelines all subtly stem from Serge surviving/dying. For instance, the fisherman in Home World became an apathetic crazy in Another World, having given up on fishing after Serge died. Serge is the pebble that hit the water, so to speak, creating ripples of effects and alternate decisions. Thus, both Home World and Another World are drastically different simply because of Serge's existence (or lack thereof).
But how is Serge a trigger to destruction, and what is his role in recreating a ruined future? This a difficult question to answer, and every time I think I wrap my mind around it, the thought escapes me and I find myself running in circles.
Let's start at the beginning of everything: Chrono Trigger. Crono and friends destroyed Lavos, the planetoid parasite, changing the timeline to allow a new and beautiful future to be created. But the story doesn't end there.
In essence, a part of Lavos was able to survive. During the Ocean Palace Disaster (an event seen within Chrono Trigger), through an unknown combination of space-time distortions and the powerful Mammon Machine, the very essences of Lavos and Schala combined. Creating a new being, "The Time Devourer", this creature was Lavos to the next level - a being not intent on devouring the planet but 'born' with the intent to devour all space-time.
Existing within counter-time in the Darkness Beyond Time, the Time Devourer needed time to mature. Until it reached maturity, it would be unable to devour space-time. So it waited, growing.
Meanwhile, Balthasar, having been pulled into a Gate in the Ocean Palace Disaster, was hurled into the new future created by Crono and friends. Using the technology of the era (and possibly the powers of the Frozen Flame), Balthasar found out about the Time Devourer and Schala, and orchestrated an in-depth chain of events that would lead to the destruction of the Time Devourer and the freeing of Schala: Project Kid.
Through Project Kid Chronopolis was created. The Counter-Time Experiment occurred, throwing Chronopolis into the far past. El Nido was created. Serge was born. Everything was going according to plan.
Because a part of Schala still existed inside the Time Devourer, in 1010 AD she heard the cry of Serge and opted to save his life. Thus Kid was created and Serge was ultimately saved. Why Schala chose Serge is beyond us. With her vantage point in the Darkness Beyond Time she could've (in theory) saved anyone, anywhere. But she chose Serge. Perhaps his link to Schala is more than we realize...? Perhaps there are others outside of El Nido who were saved by Schala? After all, Schala, as a part of the Time Devourer, had the very powers of the Time Devourer at her disposal.
With Serge being rescued by Kid in 1010 AD, the timeline split into two. Serge and Kid met and the final step of Project Kid took place, setting up the destruction of the Time Devourer and the freedom of Schala.
But Serge, the Arbiter of Chronopolis' Frozen Flame, had the ultimate ability to control the Frozen Flame (although he doesn't through any of the events in Chrono Cross - although, traveling back in time to save Kid from the orphanage fire may have had something to do with the Frozen Flame and Serge's innate ability to access it). Knowing that Serge was the final piece of the puzzle - the one to travel to the Darkness of Time and use the Chrono Cross element - there was a 50/50 chance of survival.
Had Serge successfully used the Chrono Cross element, the Time Devourer would be destroyed, Schala would be freed, and the two timelines would merge to create a new timeline. But had Serge lost to the Time Devourer, the Time Devourer would consume Serge and gain both the Chrono Cross element and the ability to control the powerful Frozen Flame. If Serge were to lose, all would be over. Forever.
The ghost-children, in my mind, are the products of counter-time in which Serge loses to the Time Devourer, thus allowing Serge to act as the final piece of destruction for the future. As such, I believe that Serge's role in the destruction of the future is actually more than the destruction of the future. Viewing the ghost-children as echoes of counter-time, viewing their words as metaphor, Serge's ultimate role wasn't just the potential destruction of the future - it was the potential cultivation of space-time being destroyed.
By simply existing when he's not supposed to, Serge created two timelines. I personally feel that the differences in the two timelines all subtly stem from Serge surviving/dying. For instance, the fisherman in Home World became an apathetic crazy in Another World, having given up on fishing after Serge died. Serge is the pebble that hit the water, so to speak, creating ripples of effects and alternate decisions. Thus, both Home World and Another World are drastically different simply because of Serge's existence (or lack thereof).
But how is Serge a trigger to destruction, and what is his role in recreating a ruined future? This a difficult question to answer, and every time I think I wrap my mind around it, the thought escapes me and I find myself running in circles.
Let's start at the beginning of everything: Chrono Trigger. Crono and friends destroyed Lavos, the planetoid parasite, changing the timeline to allow a new and beautiful future to be created. But the story doesn't end there.
In essence, a part of Lavos was able to survive. During the Ocean Palace Disaster (an event seen within Chrono Trigger), through an unknown combination of space-time distortions and the powerful Mammon Machine, the very essences of Lavos and Schala combined. Creating a new being, "The Time Devourer", this creature was Lavos to the next level - a being not intent on devouring the planet but 'born' with the intent to devour all space-time.
Existing within counter-time in the Darkness Beyond Time, the Time Devourer needed time to mature. Until it reached maturity, it would be unable to devour space-time. So it waited, growing.
Meanwhile, Balthasar, having been pulled into a Gate in the Ocean Palace Disaster, was hurled into the new future created by Crono and friends. Using the technology of the era (and possibly the powers of the Frozen Flame), Balthasar found out about the Time Devourer and Schala, and orchestrated an in-depth chain of events that would lead to the destruction of the Time Devourer and the freeing of Schala: Project Kid.
Through Project Kid Chronopolis was created. The Counter-Time Experiment occurred, throwing Chronopolis into the far past. El Nido was created. Serge was born. Everything was going according to plan.
Because a part of Schala still existed inside the Time Devourer, in 1010 AD she heard the cry of Serge and opted to save his life. Thus Kid was created and Serge was ultimately saved. Why Schala chose Serge is beyond us. With her vantage point in the Darkness Beyond Time she could've (in theory) saved anyone, anywhere. But she chose Serge. Perhaps his link to Schala is more than we realize...? Perhaps there are others outside of El Nido who were saved by Schala? After all, Schala, as a part of the Time Devourer, had the very powers of the Time Devourer at her disposal.
With Serge being rescued by Kid in 1010 AD, the timeline split into two. Serge and Kid met and the final step of Project Kid took place, setting up the destruction of the Time Devourer and the freedom of Schala.
But Serge, the Arbiter of Chronopolis' Frozen Flame, had the ultimate ability to control the Frozen Flame (although he doesn't through any of the events in Chrono Cross - although, traveling back in time to save Kid from the orphanage fire may have had something to do with the Frozen Flame and Serge's innate ability to access it). Knowing that Serge was the final piece of the puzzle - the one to travel to the Darkness of Time and use the Chrono Cross element - there was a 50/50 chance of survival.
Had Serge successfully used the Chrono Cross element, the Time Devourer would be destroyed, Schala would be freed, and the two timelines would merge to create a new timeline. But had Serge lost to the Time Devourer, the Time Devourer would consume Serge and gain both the Chrono Cross element and the ability to control the powerful Frozen Flame. If Serge were to lose, all would be over. Forever.
The ghost-children, in my mind, are the products of counter-time in which Serge loses to the Time Devourer, thus allowing Serge to act as the final piece of destruction for the future. As such, I believe that Serge's role in the destruction of the future is actually more than the destruction of the future. Viewing the ghost-children as echoes of counter-time, viewing their words as metaphor, Serge's ultimate role wasn't just the potential destruction of the future - it was the potential cultivation of space-time being destroyed.
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General Discussion / Re: YOUR Video Game character similarities
« on: April 28, 2008, 12:33:55 pm »
Well we're getting a bulldog. Can I just name it Nall?
I mean, we were gonna name it Tutankhamun, but, seeing as how it's only relevant...
Now all I need is a greedy fat friend.
I mean, we were gonna name it Tutankhamun, but, seeing as how it's only relevant...
Now all I need is a greedy fat friend.
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General Discussion / Re: Stuff you hate
« on: April 28, 2008, 11:54:42 am »
yeeeeeeeaaaaaaah... i'm gonna go with no on that one.
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General Discussion / Re: YOUR Video Game character similarities
« on: April 28, 2008, 11:46:54 am »
A guilty pleasure of mine is seeing what other forumites look like...
Anywho, this link will show you Alex from Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete and his Female Counterpart Boo, Luna.
The other images take up too much space, so I just have to provide the link...
"http://www.sabrecat.net/ghaleon/download/alexluna.gif"
I'm with the blonde girl (a friend), and the girl below is my fiance. Her videogame counterpart would probably be Luna, actually, and seeing the volatile relationship of Luna and Alex, it only makes sense...
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Anywho, this link will show you Alex from Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete and his Female Counterpart Boo, Luna.
The other images take up too much space, so I just have to provide the link...
"http://www.sabrecat.net/ghaleon/download/alexluna.gif"
I'm with the blonde girl (a friend), and the girl below is my fiance. Her videogame counterpart would probably be Luna, actually, and seeing the volatile relationship of Luna and Alex, it only makes sense...
[attachment deleted by admin]
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General Discussion / Re: Stuff you hate
« on: April 28, 2008, 01:13:37 am »Quote
"This guy are sick"
Final Fantasy VII. Aeris (Aerith) said it when they were checking out that guy in the Slums who lived in the sewer pipe (and later turned out not to be sick, but to be a former numbered experiment of Hojo's Jenova Project).
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Fan Project News/Updates / Re: Crimson Echoes SKELETON coding Finished
« on: April 27, 2008, 11:16:48 pm »
Oh! So it's a puzzle, eh...? Most interesting...!
Good to know that there's complex coding going into this!
Good to know that there's complex coding going into this!
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General Discussion / Re: The Much-Needed Bleach Thread
« on: April 27, 2008, 09:33:53 pm »
At least she brushes her teeth!
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Fan Project News/Updates / Re: Crimson Echoes SKELETON coding Finished
« on: April 27, 2008, 09:32:29 pm »
I thought the conveyor pic looked kinda odd against that black layer. I dunno; it just doesn't look three-dimensional. Sorry to be nitpicky (it all looks great and this is my only complaint) but perhaps you could put a layer of machinery underneath it or something? Like how catwalks went over machinery in 2300 AD in Chrono Trigger.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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Submissions / Re: my first dojinshi fanart work
« on: April 27, 2008, 08:13:54 pm »
No, actually I did, too at first...
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Submissions / Re: my first dojinshi fanart work
« on: April 27, 2008, 07:46:02 pm »
Yeah dude, it's cool. You never SAID or even implied that you made the sig.