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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Trip Of Cyrus

« on: July 01, 2004, 09:32:22 pm »

What there just supposed to leave his dead body laying there? Of course they are gonna make it dissappear they aren't sickos who like dead bodies.

Weren't the bodies of the soldiers who were killed on Zenan Bridge left there (you know, before being turned into skeletons and all)?

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Trip Of Cyrus

« on: June 23, 2004, 09:36:09 pm »

Why did I just quote myself up there?  I suck.  

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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Lavos And The Universe

« on: June 23, 2004, 12:10:47 am »

I'd like to know what all of these "Lavoids" are going to do once they've run out of planets to drain the energy out of...drain each other?

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Trip Of Cyrus

« on: June 23, 2004, 12:01:31 am »

If I ever get FFC ripped on my computer again, I'll check. We should look for similarities between the sword seen in the fall of Guardia cutscene and the one mentioned by JustinS1985.

There is a difference between the Masamune in the "The Masamune!" cutscene (the one where Frog opens the Magic Cave) and the Masamune during the cutscene at the beginning of FFC CT where Frog is at Cyrus' grave.  In the former, the hilt and the piece between it and the actual blade (don't know if that's part of the hilt or not, sorry) is pretty plain, but in the latter (and the "Life Skips a Beat" cutscene) it's more sophisticated and appears to have a green jewel set in.

As for the writing on Cyrus' gravestone about being a fool...I always thought that was something put in by Cyrus' ghost himself (kind of like how Garai etches your party members' names into his gravestone in CC), since it changed after Frog "made peace" with Cyrus and if I remember correctly, you never see anyone change it after the Masamune's been powered up.

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Trip Of Cyrus

« on: June 22, 2004, 11:57:39 pm »

If I ever get FFC ripped on my computer again, I'll check. We should look for similarities between the sword seen in the fall of Guardia cutscene and the one mentioned by JustinS1985.

There is a difference between the Masamune in the "The Masamune!" cutscene (the one where Frog opens the Magic Cave) and the Masamune during the cutscene at the beginning of FFC CT where Frog is at Cyrus' grave.  In the former, the hilt and the piece between it and the actual blade (don't know if that's part of the hilt or not, sorry) is pretty plain, but in the latter (and the "Life Skips a Beat" cutscene) it's more sophisticated and appears to have a green jewel set in.

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Time, Space, and Dimensions / The Bend of Time

« on: June 19, 2004, 09:54:34 pm »

I think the trio's appearance in CC is just an easter egg and a bit of a homage to CT, and nothing more.  There's no evidence in either game to suggest Ozzie, Flea, and Slash were caught up in the flow of time somehow.

As for the Bend of Time itself, I always thought it was part of CT's End of Time, since they both look very similar.

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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / MISSING VIDEO SEQUENCES!?

« on: June 18, 2004, 09:06:33 pm »

They could have been from cutscenes that were ultimately axed from the final game...

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Question about Miguel and the Dead Sea...

« on: June 18, 2004, 01:07:23 am »

After you defeat Miguel and towards the end of the conversation that takes place afterwards, this comes up:

"I love you so much...that sometimes I want to smash you to pieces!!!" (or something close to that)

Basically, I want to know who's saying it and to whom it's directed to (I thought it was Miguel talking to Serge, but I could be wrong).

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Defense of Zenan Bridge

« on: June 17, 2004, 01:58:50 am »

Who suggested that Frog ever went on to destroy Magus? That was never, ever implied with any support whatsoever. It's blatantly obvious that Magus simply got himself killed off because he irritated Lavos trying to summon the big lug.

Well, that, and the Masamune was never repaired in the original timeline, and I doubt Frog thought he was powerful enough to defeat Magus without it (or maybe with it and without help and encouragement from friends, too--since in his flashback, Magus easily disarms Cyrus and kills him).

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / The Doom Sickle's Power

« on: June 13, 2004, 05:06:02 pm »

I think the DoomSickle's ability to empower Magus after the death of his comrades in battle is merely a game mechanic and would have been explained in a sidequest or some other way if the cause of the weapon's effect were anything other than a game mechanic.

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Defense of Zenan Bridge

« on: June 13, 2004, 04:58:27 pm »

Just because the forest didn't grow back after you killed the Retinite doesn't mean it wasn't the problem.  This is why Robo stays behind...the forest isn't going to grow back on its own, out of a desert no less, even if the threat is gone.  I doubt it was the Mystics as a whole who destroyed it.  If they were the problem, don't you think they could just go beat up Robo to stop him from replanting everything once you leave him there (let's not get into any "oh well robo is tough he could win" stuff)?

ok... i dont recall saying that, maybe i did.  I do recall presenting the situation "if sapling is burnt, Retinite does not appear, area is STILL desert in 1000A.D."  Therefore the Retinite may be an answer, but it is not the only answer obviously, so all rational possibilities must be looked at.
(1) Before History is changed:Sapling is burnt:Mystics win Zenan Bridge Battle:Forest and Villa are destroyed by Mystic forces as is San Dorino.
(2) Before History is changed:Sapling is burnt:Humans win Zenan Bridge Battle:Forest battles most likely occuring between mystic and human. Warfare may have possibly ruined the forest and soil (oh the irony).
(3) Before History is changed:Sapling is NOT burnt:Mystics win Zenan Bridge Battle:Forest and Villa are destroyed by Mystic forces as is San Dorino.
(4) Before History is changed:Sapling is NOT burnt:Humans win Zenan Bridge Battle:(For some reason Retinite and co. are attracted to the magical seed as it only appears if Fiona has it, as we have seen in the game, or perhaps it is sent out because the forest refuses to 'die', the dream of Fiona to preserve the forest comes to life as the forest is being destroyed) Retinite destroys the forest.
(5) After Crono and Co. Interfere:Sapling is burnt:Humans win Zenan Bridge Battle:Retinite does not appear:Forest remains a desert after earlier Mystic activity (Fiona and Marco are not able to repair the soil).
(6) After Crono and Co. Interfere:Sapling is NOT burnt:Humans win Zenan Bridge Battle:Retinite appears, but is ignored by the party:Forest remains desert due to Retinite activity.
(7) After Crono and Co. Interfere:Sapling is NOT burnt:Humans win Zenan Bridge Battle:Retinite appears, party defeats it:Party does not send Robo to assist Fiona:Forest remains a desert due to earlier Mystic activity and brief Retinite activity.
(8] After Crono and Co. Interfere:Sapling is NOT burnt:Humans win Zenan Bridge Battle:Retinite appears, party defeats it:Party sends Robo to assist Fiona:Forest has recovered over years of constant repairing by Robo.

Did I miss anything?  (2) is sort of iffy. It and (4) are least likely to occur IMO.

The thing with the seed never really connected with me, but I see what you were trying to say now.  Sorry.

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Rise Of Porre

« on: June 13, 2004, 04:51:39 pm »

Yea I knew he actually used a sword.  That and my 5th time through CC convinced me that it wasn't Magus.  I just think its a soldier with his helmet off and Square is being evil.

I also know it was a sword and not a scythe at that point in the scene, heh.  But that wasn't what I was going to comment on.  Which is kinda obvious when you look at the post I'm quoting.  But anyways...

I don't think the guy on the right is just some soldier.  For one, why would the average soldier be wearing a cape?  It's not exactly the smartest thing to wear to a battle, and the common foot soldier doesn't have a high enough status to wear one.  Why would Square even bother hiding the figure's identity if it wasn't important at all (I guess making people speculate would be an argument to this, but I doubt that's the case here, though I wouldn't put it past them either)?  The figure would at least have to be a general in the Porre army, or someone different entirely.

I just hope whoever the man was is from the existing universe, and not some "new threat."

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Rise Of Porre

« on: June 13, 2004, 03:24:18 am »

Yeah...I really don't think it's Magus...but I don't feel like getting into why right now.  Maybe Zeality has that old OCR thread archived where Ye Grande Olde Idiot suggested the same thing (only he did it just to fuck with us, he claimed to not actually believe what he was saying) and we refuted it, and he can share.  I'm tired, I'll refute it better tomorrow or something like that.

I'm not saying this is a theory I firmly believe in, I'm just throwing it out there, but not to mess with anyone.  If Dalton can be thrown around (which is pretty laughable, I mean sure he tries to take over the people left after Zeal's fall, but they were just normal, unarmed humans, and here he is with an aircraft and magic, obvious advantages--I can't see him charging into battle against thousands of well-armed soldiers)  as the person's identity, why can't Magus be suggested also?

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Rise Of Porre

« on: June 13, 2004, 02:05:38 am »

First of all, sorry for bringing a kinda-old post up, but I have a theory on this that isn't really likely, but I'd like to share it anyways.

As far as the scene at the end of PSX CT--I think the person on the right is Magus.  Keep in mind I formulated this from appearances alone.  Magus has the long hair and the cape, for one.  Also, when you get to the part where you see a hand grab the Masamune's hilt, it (the hand) has a tone similar to what Magus' may be (of course, this could be refuted by the fact that Magus wore brown gloves--he could have had a wardrobe change, though).

The hand on the Masamune's hilt obviously doesn't belong to Dalton, barring any radical changes (Dalton had a tan--the hand was a strange, pale color), and it wasn't Lynx's either, for obvious reasons (no fur--though the figure being Lynx has already been refuted in this post from another angle).

Now, like I said, I based this off of the figure's appearance alone.  But, the figure being Magus would satisfy those disappointed that Magus was ultimately excluded from CC.  Perhaps Magus was helping Belthasar set the events of CC in motion with the fall of Guardia?

I'm sure there are many holes in this theory, so shoot away.

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Defense of Zenan Bridge

« on: June 13, 2004, 01:20:40 am »

Ah, yes one would think that the Retinite destroyed the Villa. However the appearence of the Retinite depends on what Crono tells the girl with the sapling in Zeal to do.  Burn it or plant it?  I am almost positive that if you tell her to burn it, the Retinite does not appear, but if you tell her to keep it safe and plant it, it does appear.  However, she was told by the Queen to burn it.  And most of the average Zeal citizens would not go against the Queens orders.  Not that it matters though, whether or not Crono tells her to burn the sapling is irrelevant.  Despite the choice, if the full sidequest isnt carried out, the area is still a 'desert' in 1000A.D.  So the retinite could not be the answer.  If you take Magus into the Sunken Desert to fight it, Magus recognizes the creature, but seems surprised to see it, suggesting that either the Mystics did not send the creature to destroy the forest or that the Mystics sent out the creature perhaps as a final attack on the southern continent after Magus was sent back to 12000 B.C. (Sidenote: I think the "magic" of the magic sapling was its ability to grant dreams. The forest seems to be a place where second chances are given.  Maybe the Entity (aka the Planet) gives this forest this ability because both the forest and the planet are being given second chances at a full life. Robo does give you the Green 'Dream' which allows a person to be ressurrected after being killed [or KO'ed, whatever they call it in CT].  And Lucca gets a second chance at saving her mother; this time being old enough to put in the correct password.)  My point is that the Retinite may be the wrong monster to accuse.  I think the Mystics in general destroyed the area because I believed they were still roaming the area even after Magus was sent back in time when he fought the party.

Just because the forest didn't grow back after you killed the Retinite doesn't mean it wasn't the problem.  This is why Robo stays behind...the forest isn't going to grow back on its own, out of a desert no less, even if the threat is gone.  I doubt it was the Mystics as a whole who destroyed it.  If they were the problem, don't you think they could just go beat up Robo to stop him from replanting everything once you leave him there (let's not get into any "oh well robo is tough he could win" stuff)?