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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Rise Of Porre
« on: June 17, 2004, 10:23:39 pm »
Actually, T-2 is Another, where Serge dies. Even if Chronopolis is at fault for Porre rising, this wouldn't affect Home, as it shares a history with Another through 1010, past the point where Porre rises.
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Multiple Dimension Existence
« on: June 17, 2004, 10:20:10 pm »
The split between Another and Home is a special case. Schala/Kid interfered in a manner that caused the split. The Reptite timeline and Radical Dreamers timeline were created separately from the CT/CC timelines, but with certain similarities and differences. Timelines are only sent to the DBT when time travel within them causes changes; there's a theory around, (probably on the axioms thread) that details this rule.
Essentially:
-Infinite timelines were created at the beginning of time, with differing initial conditions. Some of these are very similar to each other. Travel between these timelines is usually not possible.
-Time travel causes splits within a certain timestream. Discarded strands are sent to the DBT. In certain cases, a strand is preserved, and travel is possible (Another/Home, for example).
Essentially:
-Infinite timelines were created at the beginning of time, with differing initial conditions. Some of these are very similar to each other. Travel between these timelines is usually not possible.
-Time travel causes splits within a certain timestream. Discarded strands are sent to the DBT. In certain cases, a strand is preserved, and travel is possible (Another/Home, for example).
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Enigma Of Sun Stone And Keep
« on: June 17, 2004, 12:49:04 pm »
Okay, back to the topic...
How about this theory: The Sun Keep is not an island in the traditional sense (mountain emerging from the ocean floor), at least not anymore. Rather, it is floating on the surface of the ocean, and the power of the Sun Stone keeps it moving so that it is always under the sun.
Support:
-Robo says the Sun Keep receives sunlight 24 hours a day, the only ways this is possible are for it to be at a pole or for it to be moving.
-The Sun Keep was floating in the air during the Zeal era. Afterwards, it's not likely it would reconnect to the ocean floor (at least, not in a mere 13,000 years). The fact that it is accessible after Zeal crashes implies that it is floating on the ocean surface.
-The Sun Stone kept all of Zeal floating in the air. The Sun Keep is the source of the Sun Stone's power (indirectly), so it may be able to keep itself floating on water, and possibly moving around.
-Sunlight is seen coming directly down in the Sun Keep.
Problems:
-The Sun Keep would have to be moving very fast to stay under the sun, unless it were close to a pole (in which case the sunlight would be entering at an angle).
-The Sun Keep isn't raised before ~12,000 BC, so there's less evidence for why it would be floating then.
-The Sun Keep is always seen at the same place (explanable, if by video game mechanics it's always, say, noon)
It's also possible the Sun Keep is floating at or near a pole, and that sunlight enters a hole at the top, and is either refracted/reflected in by a natural crystal formation, or sucked in by magic. This takes care of two of the problems. Of course, there's no proof for this aspect of my theory, except that there's little else that supports the facts.
How about this theory: The Sun Keep is not an island in the traditional sense (mountain emerging from the ocean floor), at least not anymore. Rather, it is floating on the surface of the ocean, and the power of the Sun Stone keeps it moving so that it is always under the sun.
Support:
-Robo says the Sun Keep receives sunlight 24 hours a day, the only ways this is possible are for it to be at a pole or for it to be moving.
-The Sun Keep was floating in the air during the Zeal era. Afterwards, it's not likely it would reconnect to the ocean floor (at least, not in a mere 13,000 years). The fact that it is accessible after Zeal crashes implies that it is floating on the ocean surface.
-The Sun Stone kept all of Zeal floating in the air. The Sun Keep is the source of the Sun Stone's power (indirectly), so it may be able to keep itself floating on water, and possibly moving around.
-Sunlight is seen coming directly down in the Sun Keep.
Problems:
-The Sun Keep would have to be moving very fast to stay under the sun, unless it were close to a pole (in which case the sunlight would be entering at an angle).
-The Sun Keep isn't raised before ~12,000 BC, so there's less evidence for why it would be floating then.
-The Sun Keep is always seen at the same place (explanable, if by video game mechanics it's always, say, noon)
It's also possible the Sun Keep is floating at or near a pole, and that sunlight enters a hole at the top, and is either refracted/reflected in by a natural crystal formation, or sucked in by magic. This takes care of two of the problems. Of course, there's no proof for this aspect of my theory, except that there's little else that supports the facts.
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Guardia Royal Line Paradox
« on: June 16, 2004, 03:14:58 pm »
Yes, it's one of the more popular mechanics of time travel.
Aside: The other method is used often in Star Trek; whenever someone makes a voyage to the future, they find it as it would be if they had never left.
Star Trek also uses an axiom that limits changes to the present from traveling to the past by an amount "proportional to the inverse-square of the distance traveled." This means that the further one travels into the past, the smaller the effect on the present. This can also be seen in CT; the party can easily make changes to the present from 600 AD, but can change nothing (with the exception of the Sun Stone) from 65,000,000 BC.
Aside: The other method is used often in Star Trek; whenever someone makes a voyage to the future, they find it as it would be if they had never left.
Star Trek also uses an axiom that limits changes to the present from traveling to the past by an amount "proportional to the inverse-square of the distance traveled." This means that the further one travels into the past, the smaller the effect on the present. This can also be seen in CT; the party can easily make changes to the present from 600 AD, but can change nothing (with the exception of the Sun Stone) from 65,000,000 BC.
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Guardia Royal Line Paradox
« on: June 16, 2004, 10:30:56 am »
Aside: Ever seen Back to the Future 2? In it, the main character, Marty (played by Michael J. Fox), travels to his own future. In it, his future self and future children all exist, whom he could theoretically visit. This is similar to Marle traveling to 2300 and meeting her descendant. The paradox is, if Marty left the timestream, how does he exist in the future?
Here's a little theory of mine that can go a bit towards explaining the paradox:
Consider the mechanics of time travel (from a very simplified perspective). When a traveler decides to travel from time X to time Y, X<Y, there are two possible ways this could work:
1. The traveler leaves the timestream at X, is kept in some sort of stasis, the timestream continues naturally to Y, then the traveler reenters.
2. The traveler moves immediately from point X on the timestream to point Y, without any chance for the timestream to change. He enters the timestream as it would be if he had never traveled.
The first method may actually be feasible in the real world, with methods of stasis and such. But if it can be done by such simple methods, is it really "time travel"? It can't be used to travel to the past, as the methods in CT can. It would be possible for a system like this to exist, of course, if paradoxes like the Ayla paradox didn't act as evidence against it. The second method seems more like actual time travel, and fits in with in-game evidence (at least as far as I can see). Note that those mechanics are nowhere near complete; they differ for jumps to the past and when multiple jumps are involved.
Here's a little theory of mine that can go a bit towards explaining the paradox:
Consider the mechanics of time travel (from a very simplified perspective). When a traveler decides to travel from time X to time Y, X<Y, there are two possible ways this could work:
1. The traveler leaves the timestream at X, is kept in some sort of stasis, the timestream continues naturally to Y, then the traveler reenters.
2. The traveler moves immediately from point X on the timestream to point Y, without any chance for the timestream to change. He enters the timestream as it would be if he had never traveled.
The first method may actually be feasible in the real world, with methods of stasis and such. But if it can be done by such simple methods, is it really "time travel"? It can't be used to travel to the past, as the methods in CT can. It would be possible for a system like this to exist, of course, if paradoxes like the Ayla paradox didn't act as evidence against it. The second method seems more like actual time travel, and fits in with in-game evidence (at least as far as I can see). Note that those mechanics are nowhere near complete; they differ for jumps to the past and when multiple jumps are involved.
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Chrono Compendium Discussion / Chrono Scholars
« on: June 10, 2004, 08:32:50 pm »
Hello, I'm new here (got here via a post in the GameFAQs forum for CC). I've already filled in a big chunk of the CC weapons in the encyclopedia, and I'd also be willing to do an article on the (B)End of Time/Darkness Beyond Time/Tesseract/etc. I've already touched a bit on the mechanics of time in these places in my reply to the Axioms article. Just a warning that I'll be away for most of the next week, but after that I have nothing planned for the summer.
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Why does the Red Stone interact with Lavos so well?
« on: June 10, 2004, 08:15:39 pm »
What about this theory: When Lavos was approaching the Earth, either small fragments of him broke off and hit the Earth before him, or he knocked around a few meteoroids on the way, which got charged with some of his power, hit Earth first, and the rocks became known as Dreamstones.
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Articles / Time-Error Theory
« on: June 10, 2004, 04:24:37 pm »
I've developed a theory of my own which I believe adequately describes how gates work and how time "flows" at the End of Time:
I'll first introduce a concept I call "Time-Error." This is essentially a second time axis, which governs how time travel through gates and the Epoch works, and at which point on the time axis travelers will arrive.
Principles of Time-Error:
-Only time portals and locations outside the axis of time (such as the End of Time, the inside of the Black Omen, or the Tesseract) exhibit a flow of Time-Error.
-Time portals within the standard time axis flow through time and Time-Error at equal rates.
Example: A time portal is created at time X, and Time-Error 0. At time X+T, the Time-Error of the Portal is T.
-The perception of time in locations outside the time axis is actually a flow of Time-Error.
Example: A traveler enters the End of Time at Time-Error T. He spends a length of time U at the End of Time. He exits at Time-Error T+U.
-When a traveler enters a time portal, the Time-Error of the location at which they exit is the same as the Time-Error at which they enter, and the time at which they exit is determined by the Time-Error.
Example: Two time portals exist, one at time X at Time-Error 0, one at time Y at Time-Error 0. A traveler enters the latter portal at time Y+T. Since the Time-Error of this portal is T at time Y+T, the traveler arrives at Time-Error T of the former portal. Since this Time-Error corresponds to time X+T, the traveler arrives at time X+T.
-When a traveler travels to a time portal from a point outside the axis of time, they arrive at the same Time-Error as the Time-Error from which they left, and the corresponding time.
-When a time-traveling device (such as Epoch) is used to travel through time from within the time axis, the Time-Error of one of the portals existing at the exit point is recorded. The exit location can only be a time when a portal exists. The recorded Time-Error is used to determine the exact time of arrival.
Example: Two time portals exist, one at time X at Time-Error 0, one at time Y at Time-Error 0. A time-traveling device is used to travel to the former portal's time at time Y+T. The Time-Error of T is recorded from the latter portal. The time-traveling device arrives at time X+T.
-When a time-traveling device is used to travel through time from a point outside the time axis, it can only reach a time when some portal exists. The exact time it arrives is determined by the Time-Error at which it left.
-Whenever a time-traveler reenters the timeline, a new timeline is written from that point on, with the Time-Error at which the traveler exited. The old timeline is sent to the DBT.
Please reply with comments and suggestions on this theory.
I'll first introduce a concept I call "Time-Error." This is essentially a second time axis, which governs how time travel through gates and the Epoch works, and at which point on the time axis travelers will arrive.
Principles of Time-Error:
-Only time portals and locations outside the axis of time (such as the End of Time, the inside of the Black Omen, or the Tesseract) exhibit a flow of Time-Error.
-Time portals within the standard time axis flow through time and Time-Error at equal rates.
Example: A time portal is created at time X, and Time-Error 0. At time X+T, the Time-Error of the Portal is T.
-The perception of time in locations outside the time axis is actually a flow of Time-Error.
Example: A traveler enters the End of Time at Time-Error T. He spends a length of time U at the End of Time. He exits at Time-Error T+U.
-When a traveler enters a time portal, the Time-Error of the location at which they exit is the same as the Time-Error at which they enter, and the time at which they exit is determined by the Time-Error.
Example: Two time portals exist, one at time X at Time-Error 0, one at time Y at Time-Error 0. A traveler enters the latter portal at time Y+T. Since the Time-Error of this portal is T at time Y+T, the traveler arrives at Time-Error T of the former portal. Since this Time-Error corresponds to time X+T, the traveler arrives at time X+T.
-When a traveler travels to a time portal from a point outside the axis of time, they arrive at the same Time-Error as the Time-Error from which they left, and the corresponding time.
-When a time-traveling device (such as Epoch) is used to travel through time from within the time axis, the Time-Error of one of the portals existing at the exit point is recorded. The exit location can only be a time when a portal exists. The recorded Time-Error is used to determine the exact time of arrival.
Example: Two time portals exist, one at time X at Time-Error 0, one at time Y at Time-Error 0. A time-traveling device is used to travel to the former portal's time at time Y+T. The Time-Error of T is recorded from the latter portal. The time-traveling device arrives at time X+T.
-When a time-traveling device is used to travel through time from a point outside the time axis, it can only reach a time when some portal exists. The exact time it arrives is determined by the Time-Error at which it left.
-Whenever a time-traveler reenters the timeline, a new timeline is written from that point on, with the Time-Error at which the traveler exited. The old timeline is sent to the DBT.
Please reply with comments and suggestions on this theory.