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Even if Schala took DNA from Lavos, it doesn't mean Kid would look like Lavos. The DNA can be made recessive. 

Yes, you're right.  I didn't think of that.  Epigenetics could play in perfectly with that.

Also, since Schala supposedly "sent out her good side" in Kid, then we could allude that to infusing Kid with her essence, her soul, who knows.

Does it say that in the game (about Kid being Schala's 'good side')?  I thought it said that Kid was Schala's daughter-clone...  It has been about a year and a half since I played Chrono Cross.

However, I'd have to point out that it's stated that Kid is "Schala's daughter/clone". Hence this can imply two things.
Firstly, that Schala actually created Kid as a clone by impregnating herself and creating her via magic.
Two, that Kid isn't a fully copy of Schala.

Because it says that Kid is a daughter/clone, we can't assume that Kid is identical to Schala. After all, just because a girl has a mother doesn't mean their genes are exactally the same, half of the 4x chromosomes come from the father. Hence, if Kid is Schala's daughter/clone, then she should have probably something like 95% of Schala's DNA, but then she probably got some from Lavos too, after all Schala and Lavos were merging.

Hmm...  You bring up a very good point here.

If you hold that Kid and Schala remain separate people at the end of Chrono Cross  (as I do), this could be a perfect explanation.  If the term "daughter-clone" literally means a clone that Schala carried and gave birth to, then their DNA wouldn't be completely identical (and it would be different, since conception would have to take place by an alternative means).  Since the Chrono Cross unites and heals things that have been divided, even if Kid is Schala's daughter, she's still not her, and they wouldn't be united.

However, but my only problem with Kid being Schala's actual daughter via pregnancy is that its highly unlikely that Schala would have been able to carry her and give birth under those conditions.  Merging with Lavos would probably be a terrible strain on her system, and she'd probably miscarry.  Not to mention that Lavos would probably have noticed at some point.

Or three, Schala magically created Kid in some other fashion. As you said, not being a full clone would mean Kid gets some of Lavos's DNA.

As nice as that sounds for fan fiction, it's a wonder she doesn't have spikes growing out of her face in that case.

Very possible as well.  And I don't believe that Lavos's DNA was involved in making Kid, because yeah, she'd have spikes or something.

This is a bit of a stretch, but could it be possible that Schala pulled the extra DNA she might need from an outside source to conceive Kid?  Since the DBT is full of deleted timelines, it might have been possible to reach into one and pull out what she needed.  After all, isn't that what Lavos does?  Absorb DNA?  Whether she actually impregnated herself with Kid or not, this could be a possibility. 

However, that seems to be negated by the game's assertion that Kid is a clone--and a clone is a genetic replica.  You can't have a half-clone--either the DNA is identical or it's not.  If Schala pulled extra DNA from elsewhere, then Kid would be a daughter, not a daughter-clone...

Wow, you can really go in circles thinking about this...   :shock:

Special Event Polling / Re: Rate Cross Characters 13: Kid
« on: August 22, 2007, 12:37:49 am »
Character Design: She's a beautiful woman, and her design is kickass.  Yes, she's quite scantily clad, but I really couldn't imagine Kid any other way.  It just wouldn't fit her character.  And I love her accent!

Combat Usefulness: Amazingly useful compared to other characters in the game.  Her Steal tech is always great to have. 

Tilt: Wow, where do I start?  She's the clone of Schala, which makes her cool from the start.   :D  Loyal and kind, she's the kind of friend you'd want to have.  She probably has the most development in the game of any character.

Kid wins my vote for her backstory and her awesome combat skills.  :)

Final Grade: A.

Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Kino and Azala
« on: August 21, 2007, 03:35:01 pm »
I would be more inclined to believe azala a female as the smarter dinosaurs were female((evidence of larger brains)) and believed to have been more vicious((visious?)) and as far as kino goes.. how about the hidden village? possible that the old man there used to be chief? and ayla took over when he went into hiding..? and so took over his right hand man

Just because female dinosaurs were more intelligent and vicious in our world doesn't mean that the Reptites were the same way in the Chrono world (I don't believe the game specifies which gender was more intelligent in the Chrono world). 

One point that could be made is that in Chrono Cross, the Dragonians are said to be Azala's descendants, and all through Chrono Trigger (if I remember correctly) linage was specified to be matrilineal (Marle is descended from Leene and Aliza, who in turn are descended from Ayla in the distant past, ect.).

And even if linage is matrilineal, that doesn't mean that the societies are matriarchal.  For example, Ayla is probably chief because she's the strongest warrior, not necessarily because the human tribes are led by women.  Remember, when Ayla leaves to go with Crono, later on one of the villagers says "Ayla quit chief--Kino chief now".  And even if Ioka was primarily led by women, that doesn't mean the Reptites were the same way. 

Since there's no way to conclusively deduce Azala's gender, until the creators say one way or the other, it'll be impossible to tell.

Special Event Polling / Re: Rate Cross Characters 12: Karsh
« on: August 21, 2007, 05:06:36 am »
Design: I love everything about how he looks, from his clothes to his portrait, and even his hair!  He always has this fierce scowl on his face, but his dialouge can be enthusiastic and energetic too.

Combat: He wields an axe.  How cool is that?!  :)  He can kick unholy arse with his weapon, not to mention the fact that he's also a good green element.  He is quite a useful character in battle.  If I don't have Glenn in my party, I usually have Karsh (and sometimes I use both).

Tilt: He has quite a lot of backstory compared to other characters in the game.  I loved the story with Dario and Riddel, and the entire bit about his younger days with the other dragoons.

Karsh wins my vote as a wonderful character with a great backstory.

Final Grade: A

I'm not quite sure if I should laugh or cry after reading this.   :?

ok if you deal with the fact that magic can bypass bend and in some instances break all normal physical laws... first off the clone was immediate. no cloning time in other words poof baby. Id say thats a significant change.

Yes, but also remember that Lavos has an intimate knowledge of the workings of DNA (and it's manipulation).  If Schala didn't already know how to create a clone, after being fused with Lavos she may have just 'borrowed' the knowledge (and knowledge doesn't always mean "using magic"--we honestly don't know how she created Kid, but just that she did).  And also, a clone is a clone, no matter how you slice it.  Kid possesses the same basic genetic code that Schala does.  If her DNA were any different (even a little bit), she wouldn't be a clone.  Simple as that. 

However, Kid's epigenome might possibly be changed by a magical creation.  The human epigenetic code changes naturally in our lifetimes, so it isn't inconceivable to think that a highly specific magic spell could edit/change/do whatever to it.  But even if this were the case, it would make Kid no less a clone of Schala than before--their base genetic code is still the same, and that's what counts when one is defining her as a clone.

Polling / Re: The Race Is On!
« on: August 18, 2007, 06:21:48 am »
*cheers for Catalack*

Go!  I need Silver Points!  You can't lose!

Schala gives the astral amulet to Kid when she creates her and sends her away from the Darkness Beyond Time to normal time.

I think the letter you're talking about in Chronopolis is a reference to Radical Dreamers, or perhaps a bit of the script from RD.

Special Event Polling / Re: Rate Cross Characters 11: Janice
« on: August 18, 2007, 06:07:13 am »
Design: She might be kind of cutesy if it weren't for those gigantic hands, tail, and ears.  If they were normally sized, it would be different.

Combat: She was all right, but I never used her.  There were many other characters who were more useful, so there just never was room for her in my party.

Tilt:  I sat here five minutes and tried to think of one good thing to say about her.  I still can't.  She wasn't interesting at all.  Just a character the staff probably thought up in five minutes and threw in there.

Final Grade: D

Personally I don't know how much I support personality being dictated by genetics, and perhaps that explains my slant on this, but I do think that Kid's attitude and actions are quiet in keeping with her past, and in the same way I think that Schala's are in keeping with a childhood spent being somewhat frightened of her mother, and being raised in a very intellectually oriented society. 

Oh yes, I do agree with you.  I think that Kid's personality is dictated by the terrible, harsh time she's had in the past, just as Schala's is dictated by her royal upbringing in Zeal.  I was merely suggesting it because there are some who believe that personality can be dictated by genetics--though I personally don't believe this to be the case.

As for appearance, I don't know how different Schala at the end of Chrono Cross looks from Kid.  Schala does look younger, but overall I think that they are relatively similar.  There is of course a massive difference between Akira Toriyama's artwork and Noboteru Yuki's, however I see it merely as artistic license I suppose. 

Artistic license is probably to blame for Schala's difference in appearance between Trigger and Cross.  But I can make all kinds of excuses because I like the pretty blue hair I'm a big fan of Zeal.   :D

well also because kid is a clone, her personality from schala may be acting on a certain quality that schala never really showed or may have not even known about in her mind.

Yes, exactly, even though I don't personally support the 'personality-comes-from-genetics' viewpoint.  If you are operating under the assumption that one's genetic code can influence personality, then epigenetic tags that activate/suppress individual genes would have a huge impact on personality.  Then the mental and magical differences between Kid and Schala could be completely attributed to the differences in their respective epigenomes. 

In other words, Schala always had the genes that would have caused her personality to be like Kid's, they were just never activated for one reason or another because of her environment in Zeal.  The same is true of Kid--because she grew up in a very different environment, different genes were activated by her (also different) epigenetic tags, and she turned out to be quite different than Schala.

But that's if you believe personality is dictated by genetics. 

I've no knowledge to make a reply with, but I will say that I'll add this to the Kid / Schala common questions article in the theory section and announce it.

Awesome!   :D  Thanks! 

Kajar Laboratories / Re: Seeking a Proofreader...
« on: August 12, 2007, 06:20:48 am »
Yes, that's what I'm looking for.  :)

Thank you!  I've PMed you with details.

Submissions / Re: Kid Fanart -- "Don't Fall Vulgaire One!! Teehee! >D"
« on: August 08, 2007, 09:43:37 pm »
Wow, this picture is incredible.  Great job!  :)

General Discussion / Re: It's that time for Final Fantasy again...
« on: August 08, 2007, 09:33:04 pm »
Personally, I would recommend FFX.  I really liked the game, even with Tidus' whining.  I kind of thought his whining was justified (for reasons that are spoilerish, so I won't share). 

If you don't want to play X, then I'd recommend VI.  FFVI is a great game with wonderful characters, and an exquisite plot.  You wouldn't be disappointed. 

Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Forza 2 meets Chrono Trigger
« on: August 08, 2007, 07:16:48 pm »
Wow.  I want it.  :)

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