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But that wouldn't make Lucca not find Glenn attractive, now would it?

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It doesn't matter if it's an alternate timeline. Since everything is identical except for the death of Magus, then we know how she would react in the normal timeline if she saw Glenn.

And as for the cutscene, it doesn't change the storyline, so she'd probably think the same.

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Janus and Lavos?
« on: June 03, 2006, 04:13:28 pm »
Yea, in the end Schala comes up on top with the whole transcendant-Nirvana-Buddah equivelent-Godhood-ascension dealio when she learns the thing about da' Meaning of Life.

Magus turns a guy into a Frog and laters undoes it.

Oh? Well Schala let herself get pushed around by Dalton, of all people. Major point subtraction.

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General Discussion / Re: .
« on: May 31, 2006, 08:01:09 pm »
I still say it had something to do with Chrono Period.

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General Discussion / Re: Richard Dawkins- The Root of All Evil
« on: May 31, 2006, 07:50:05 pm »
Just on the subject of religion, I'd actually recommend you guys read "Small Gods" by Terry Prachett. It's part of the Discworld series, but it stands alone. Anyway the Church of Omnia in the book is rather like the Church in the past, or like fundamentalist Islam. Anyway it's a parody piece, but it makes several good points.

It's really worth a read.

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Then it would suck.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm really glad to hear this, but it doesn't really do anything unless Kato would be willing to make a game.

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General Discussion / Re: Richard Dawkins- The Root of All Evil
« on: May 30, 2006, 09:27:03 pm »
Fantastic, Gannon. "More moderate" is the best I could reasonably hope for from somebody in your position. You've got an uphill battle, though. The Religious Right doesn't give a damn what the moderate wing of the GOP wants, and it is they who control the party. Are you prepared to divert your attention from fighting the distant and out-of-power left, to fighting your much closer enemy on the right?

Sure, why not? Besides, if the left-wing manages to cripple us in November by taking the House and the Senate, then they'd be taken down a few pegs. That should surely be the best time, once they have diminshed power.

Still, I've got to find a way to actually do something. Which is much easier said than done.

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General Discussion / Re: Richard Dawkins- The Root of All Evil
« on: May 30, 2006, 08:03:02 pm »
Ah, so what you're saying is that being a Republican because it's the party that the Relgious right has decided to reside in. In that case, I suppose I would have to disagree with switching over to a third party. That would be like handing over a vote to the democrats, since the third parties never get anything done. Rest assured, the left-wing is still a political enemy for me, but I don't think it would hurt us Republicans to be more moderate. So I'll hold to this sinking ship and do what I can to bring it a little closer to the center, and maybe patch it up a bit.

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I doubt Lucca would ever like Crono in that way, hes more like a brother to her. On the other hand, Lucca and Magus are so cannon pairing :D

Yes, Lucca and Magus do get shot out of heavy artillery on occasion.
Wait...are you serious about the cannon~canon mix up?

I don't know, am I?

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General Discussion / Re: Richard Dawkins- The Root of All Evil
« on: May 30, 2006, 12:43:16 pm »
Heh, it's funny because you make it sound like being a Republican is a crime for which we must explain ourselves.

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: CT Last Names
« on: May 30, 2006, 03:16:32 am »
I dunno, I think it could be shortened to some form of "Sir Magus, the Mystic King of Zeal" or "Sir Magus of Zeal" or something.

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General Discussion / Re: Nintendo Wii
« on: May 30, 2006, 03:14:34 am »
Of course Neverwinter Nights 2 will render all your systems obsolete.

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I doubt Lucca would ever like Crono in that way, hes more like a brother to her. On the other hand, Lucca and Magus are so cannon pairing :D

Yes, Lucca and Magus do get shot out of heavy artillery on occasion.

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General Discussion / Re: Richard Dawkins- The Root of All Evil
« on: May 28, 2006, 05:57:30 pm »


Let’s keep things in perspective. The reply you made prompted my response, to which GreenGannon took offense. He was foolish enough to do so in written form, and things proceeded from there.

Yeah, whatever.

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When I say counterattack, let me explain what I mean, so that there can be no mistake. But first allow me a short prologue: If you can believe it, religion is a minor province in the kingdom of my life. I don’t practice a religion, nor do most of my friends. Artistically, religion is a curiosity and source for inspiration. Philosophically, it gives me much to consider. Politically, it is the source of much debate, suffering, and strife. But it isn’t a big part of what I do, or who I am. Most of the time, therefore, not only am I not “attacking” religion, I am not even thinking about religion.

How can one be actively denouncing and belittling those who practice religion, and yet not even be thinking about it?


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Knowing that, you might look at my topics of discussion here on the Compendium and wonder, then, why I am so aggressive toward religion. My answer has been that I am counterattacking religion in response to some wrong that it has already committed—and answer which you either do not understand or refuse to accept…maybe a little of both.

But should your blame instead be directed at humans? For if religion causes strife, and religion is made by man, then does the true fault not lie in man and man alone? Do not mistake me as one who turns a blind eye to the destruction and pain religion has caused, though I do not pretend to think that a lack of religion would prevent it at all.

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Remember what started this thread: Legend posted links to a short documentary by Professor Richard Dawkins about religious faith as the major source of conflict and manmade suffering in this world. I assume you didn’t watch it and don’t plan to, so you will have to take my word for it that the content of his documentary is not some unprovoked hit job. It has all the tone and language of somebody who feels besieged. It is a counterattack—in other words, a defensive action. I and others in this thread proceeded to expand upon the documentary with our own personal insights.

Laying my pride down for the moment, I will admit that I have not watched the documentary. I will, however get around to it before the end of the week. How long is it though, so I can plan accordingly?

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It is important that you recognize the difference between “counterattack” and “unprovoked attack.” We are not simply being malicious for the heck of it. I for one am a peaceful person; I resent destruction and resist needless confrontation. People like me want to go about our lives, working for our own self-enrichment as well as the betterment of the world that has given so much to us. Religion, were it not so aggressive, would provoke no response from me whatsoever. But it is that aggressive, and I do not have the luxury of ignoring it—nobody does—which is what all of this is about.

What I disagree with is that religion is inherently aggressive. Firstly, I believe in religion as an absolute truth--Christianity specifically--but I will at the same time declare that it cannot exist in pure form. No matter which way this is being looked at, everything agrees with once concept: At the root of all this, the fault lies with man. Irregardless of what a religion may or may not be, it has the potential to be used for great harm. But if it was not religion, it would be something else.

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A man and his church are not what you believe them to be. For over a decade the Religious Right in America has seized control of all three branches of government, framed the way news is reported in the media, attacked the scientific establishment, attacked civil liberties, attacked women and minorities, attacked the separation of church and state, and attacked the First Amendment’s implicit guarantee of freedom from religion. It begins with leaders like James Dobson, but it ends with ordinary people in ordinary churches committing extraordinary wrongs.

The religious right, which as I understand does not refer to someone who is simply a Republican and a Christian, but rather exists very deeply in the right-wing, is not quite as numerous as you may believe. Having contact with several other Christians, and a few churches, I can tell you that most of us are far more moderate than you might think. The religious right are, however, much louder than the rest of us.

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There’s an old cliché that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That’s not quite true. Power doesn’t corrupt…it emphasizes what we already are. In a way, you might say that power frees us to be our true selves.

Well, yes and no. It's not that power will completely corrupt you, but it tends to magnify whatever character flaws may be present.

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Well, fundamentalist Christianity has achieved a great deal of power in the United States, and we have therefore glimpsed its true nature: Your religion, Sentenal, is one part bully, one part tyrant, and one part murderer. Your religion wants to intimidate us, control our lives, and destroy any who oppose it. This is broadly known as Christian Dominionism, and you can read up on it at your leisure. But you won’t, so here are the three central concepts of Christian Dominionism:

Really? Because I didn't see that last time I read my Bible.

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Dominionists celebrate Christian Nationalism, in that they believe that the United States once was, and should once again be, a Christian nation. In this way, they deny the Enlightenment roots of American democracy.

I believe that it started as such, but the purpose of it's original nature is secondary to it's primary reason for existing: A society free from persecution, to live free--though within reasonable confines (i.e. No mudering)--and to be able to subscribe to any belief or way of thinking. This is the primary goal for the United States in my mind, and it should precede all other things.

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Dominionists promote Religious Supremacy, insofar as they generally do not respect the equality of other religions, or even other versions of Christianity.

This is not true of all Christianity, indeed many of us are taught to be tolerant.

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Dominionists endorse Theocratic Visions, insofar as they believe that the Ten Commandments, or "biblical law," should be the foundation of American law, and that the U.S. Constitution should be seen as a vehicle for implementing Biblical principles.

While the punishments may not quite be appropriate for this day and age, the laws seemed to work rather well. Certainly a direct paste would be laughable at best, but I fail to see how--first having removed all the God-related laws and the excessive death penalties--those laws would not be a good starting point to grow from.

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Unfortunately for the rest of us, such a philosophy is both aggressive and invasive. Christians in America have brought war upon their own country, not by firing guns but by refusing to teach science in the classroom, refusing women the right to control their own bodies and lifestyles, refusing gays the right to marry or adopt, refusing blacks and other minorities the opportunity to stand as equals…and on and on. I don’t need to list the news stories of the past decade. We both know where this country has been. And I believe with much trepidation that, if it had the power to do so, fundamentalist Christianity would indeed revive the medieval practices of torture and murder.

One of those I would fight you tooth and nail--verbally of course--and another I am sure we could reach a reasonable compromise, the others I make no excuse for. Not even that last bit, which I would certainly agree that certain people (I'm looking at you Pat Robertson!) would likely return to those practices.

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Nor is it just your violent, backward little fundamentalist resurgence here in the Earth’s most powerful nation. Islam has made its mark all over the world, and doesn’t need to worry about reverting back to the Dark Ages because it is already there. I don’t need to tell you, Sentenal, what the problems are with Islam, because you hate that religion already, and I would just be preaching to the choir. My point in bringing it up, then, is simply to note that the entire planet is under attack either by this religion, that one, or the other. As science and materialism preclude all that is supernatural from manifesting itself in our lives, religion is forced to retreat further and further, speaking in metaphors and allegory. Some of the faithful refuse to accept that; they see their scripture as the literal truth. In their zeal, they bring war to us all.

I do not see faith and science as contradictions. I see them as complimentary.

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When I say counterattack, I am not talking about one little thread on an insignificant message board in some obscure corner of the Internet. Your earlier post, and GreenGannon’s anger at my reply to it, gave me the opportunity to carry on with a counterattack that never truly ends.

To an attack that never really began.

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As bullies, you fundamentalists can’t take it when your victims strike back at you. As tyrants, our rebellion makes you feel insecure and vulnerable. As murderers, you simply hate us for the fact that we and our way of life continue to exist at all.

Or we simply wish you'd stop calling us stupid for believing in God. That's really all I'd like.

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I’m sorry, Sentenal. When you swear by that Good Book of yours, you are putting on the uniform of my world’s enemy. You, and GreenGannon, for all your sweetness of character and weakness of intellect, are legitimate targets.

As with all your insults, and your overflowery language, you are inciting us to attack. You claim to only be on the defense, yet your posts seem to almost want to be goading us into arguing.

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In another world I would leave you alone, but in this world I cannot afford to do that.

Yes you can. Just simply say "I don't believe what you believe". I'll respect that and leave you be.

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The day your people stop preaching outside the church,

So it's only OK to talk about the Bible in church? Or did you mean that as a general statement to which you actually want us to back off a little where politics are concerned?

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