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History, Locations, and Artifacts / The Ice Age: A scientific inconsistency?
« on: December 29, 2005, 02:53:31 pm »Quote from: Zaperking
Yeah, that's why I pretty much said it's in onsistant because it happened so fast. Isn't the fires, the pressure cooker effect and then the ice age supposed to begin in that order?
Anyway, why does Azala think that more stuff will fall from the sky?
Oh Well, CT is a game. And the whole event is supposed to mimic what happened in our world, so I guess it can be passed off that way.
No one seems to have answered this one (if they have then yell at me, I don't care) but I think that the "stuff that will fall from the sky" is Lavos's attack that it uses on Zeal, 1999 A.D. and occasionally Chrono and company. It may not really fall from space, but it still firey doom falling from the heavens (like lavos did).
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...you guys can keep talking about the frozen flame now...
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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Fission?
« on: December 29, 2005, 02:23:48 pm »
Maybe Lavos is still around (in a way). Maybe Lavos creates the spawnss of Lavos by fission, like bacteria, so the creatures you fight in the future are actually just pieces of the original beast...
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Oy vei
« on: December 29, 2005, 01:46:51 am »
(Deep breath) okay, we know that time (surprisingly) passes in the end of time because it would have taken at least some time to build the messed up place that Jasper and the god of war hang out at, so, supposedly the characters should feel the effects of time, yet it is uncertain wether the amount of time that passes at The End of Time is the same amount that passes when Chrono and friends are wandering around the other time periods. It boils down to the questions of: Do all points in time within the Chrono Trigger universe travel at the same temporal speed (meaning Jasper has lived at the end of time as long Methcoir has lived in the present) or is time expierenced diffrently at the end of time than at other periods (one hour in the real world equals a minute at T.E.O.T. ect.)
Sorry I leave long answers, it's just how I type...
Sorry I leave long answers, it's just how I type...
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / I get it!
« on: December 29, 2005, 01:32:07 am »
So your talking about a timeline system similiarly seen in the anime show Shinzo, where an infinte amount of timelines can exist simultaniously even though we as individuals can only expience only an even then the particular timeline we are in is in a constant state flux due the very movents of position of molecules and dimensional planes at any give moment of time (...don't ask).
But I don't think this applies with the linear/two dimension timeline of chrono trigger while your looking a poly-quantum temporal plane of existance, good theory though.
But I don't think this applies with the linear/two dimension timeline of chrono trigger while your looking a poly-quantum temporal plane of existance, good theory though.
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Robo
« on: December 29, 2005, 01:25:39 am »
In the game, we see that one can travel from time period to time period with time either freezing from the point one leaves the time period (1999 apocolyspe) or flowing at a constant amount like in real life. The reason, I guess, Robo is still there because remains in the same spot over several hundred years, versus the characters who are either jumping instantaiously from the moment they left the time period to the moment they arive or time actually passes between when they leave to when they return.
Imagine two people in a room, one leaves the room and enters the same room except now time has passed. He takes the person from this new room (which is the same as the old room, except it is a diffrent time period) and takes them back to the "first room (the past)", and of course, the secound person is still there (which he has to be in order for the older version of himself to exist) and in theory, the secound person will have full memory prior to the event, except it would have been from his younger state.
Perspective of first person (Chrono and friends): Leaves secound person behind, meets him in future, brings him back to the present, now there is two versions of the secound person, the past and future.
Perspective of secound person (Robo): First person leaves and either a porportional amount of time passes (the amount of time the first person is in the future) or he instantaniously reappears with secound persons future self. Supposedly the future version leaves (otherwise we get an infinitly increasing paradox, much like how the travelers leave). He then waits until the first person arrives (from the past) and takes him to meet his past self.
Because none of the other characters are left in one time period for more than a few days, they cannot transend the great distances between the period like robp did, thus they cannot meet themselves!
Imagine two people in a room, one leaves the room and enters the same room except now time has passed. He takes the person from this new room (which is the same as the old room, except it is a diffrent time period) and takes them back to the "first room (the past)", and of course, the secound person is still there (which he has to be in order for the older version of himself to exist) and in theory, the secound person will have full memory prior to the event, except it would have been from his younger state.
Perspective of first person (Chrono and friends): Leaves secound person behind, meets him in future, brings him back to the present, now there is two versions of the secound person, the past and future.
Perspective of secound person (Robo): First person leaves and either a porportional amount of time passes (the amount of time the first person is in the future) or he instantaniously reappears with secound persons future self. Supposedly the future version leaves (otherwise we get an infinitly increasing paradox, much like how the travelers leave). He then waits until the first person arrives (from the past) and takes him to meet his past self.
Because none of the other characters are left in one time period for more than a few days, they cannot transend the great distances between the period like robp did, thus they cannot meet themselves!
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Paradox
« on: December 29, 2005, 01:05:29 am »
This topic make my head hurt!
Marle supposedly dissapered because Leene supposedly disapeered in the past, however, for that to have actually happened, that would mean that Marle would have never been born in the first place and never met chrono because Leene would have disappered hundreds of years before marle even existed. The only way for this to have happened is if some other force, like another time travler, to have appeared during the same time period as the adventuring party of Chrono Trigger, who then goes out and captures the Queen Leene thus making Marle disapeer. However, Marle, in affect, should not disapeer because the only way to cause her to disapeer would be to end the royal blood, and because Queen Leene still was alive and thus create later creates the royal bloodline, she should have remained in existance through out the whole chapter of this game. The only plausible explaination is the speed at which time travels from one temporal distance to another is not constant, so events happening in the past/future may happen at a faster or slower rate than those that happen in the present, even though people living in those time periods may not experience it. That would explain why Marle would disapeer (something happens to her ancestry in the past so it happens in the perspective present before it happens in the past that the travelers are in, thus she dissapeers) because something has happened to her ancestry even though it has happened in the future (through the perspectives of the time travelers in the past). Weird, huh?
Marle supposedly dissapered because Leene supposedly disapeered in the past, however, for that to have actually happened, that would mean that Marle would have never been born in the first place and never met chrono because Leene would have disappered hundreds of years before marle even existed. The only way for this to have happened is if some other force, like another time travler, to have appeared during the same time period as the adventuring party of Chrono Trigger, who then goes out and captures the Queen Leene thus making Marle disapeer. However, Marle, in affect, should not disapeer because the only way to cause her to disapeer would be to end the royal blood, and because Queen Leene still was alive and thus create later creates the royal bloodline, she should have remained in existance through out the whole chapter of this game. The only plausible explaination is the speed at which time travels from one temporal distance to another is not constant, so events happening in the past/future may happen at a faster or slower rate than those that happen in the present, even though people living in those time periods may not experience it. That would explain why Marle would disapeer (something happens to her ancestry in the past so it happens in the perspective present before it happens in the past that the travelers are in, thus she dissapeers) because something has happened to her ancestry even though it has happened in the future (through the perspectives of the time travelers in the past). Weird, huh?
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A good amount of time ago, my brother got it off the internet. He thought was a demo game because he could figure how to get out of 2300 AD area and gave up after about 2 hours, right after you beat the Dragon Tank ( 
pathetic). That's when I stepped in and spent greater part of a month figuring out as many alternate endings, bosses and other cool stuff as I could.
pathetic). That's when I stepped in and spent greater part of a month figuring out as many alternate endings, bosses and other cool stuff as I could.
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Wait, why is Zeal winning the vote? Come on, everyone there talks like bad song lyrics:
"Water moves wind, wind makes fire dance..."
"Wha?"
I vote for the stone age because I guess I could control an army of Dinosaurs or something like that...
"Water moves wind, wind makes fire dance..."
"Wha?"
I vote for the stone age because I guess I could control an army of Dinosaurs or something like that...
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Although I voted Frog, Magus rules (I accidentatly clicked him instead Magus...). At first, he's picture as this wizard of pure evil, spreading terror and darkness across the globe. When he runs, he actually flies across the screen, and of course he has blue hair (every evil conquerer needs blue hair... It's like some sort of video game law). Then, they show who he really is, a man obssesed with vengence against Lavos, the beast that deystroyed his home and family. He ends up going over the dark side, but he doesn't care what side he's on... as long as lavos pays for what it has done...
cool...
cool...
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Reality, Real-World Connections, and the Supernatural / Lavos doomsday theory
« on: December 28, 2005, 05:21:02 pm »
I think that the time between lavos emerging from the ground and then blowing up everything was about ten and a half minutes. The problem is, if Lavos did show up, we wouldn't really know what it wanted (like when the aliens showed up in that Independence Day movie), so we would treat it as some sort of natrual disaster, like a tornado, not something that wanted to deystroy us.
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Reality, Real-World Connections, and the Supernatural / Nu!
« on: December 28, 2005, 04:56:11 pm »
I think that the secret of the Nu lies not in what their called but what they do... what do they do? They kind of show up at random moments and arn't too beneficial to the plot or gameplay, at least in the first game.
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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Lavos sencient...ness
« on: December 28, 2005, 04:48:27 pm »
I think that the argument of lavos being sentient is valid on both sides. If Lavos is sentient, it would explaint why it crased into earth in the first place (thus to manipulate or farm life on earth, mentioned by Robo if you go to battle lavos's secound shell with him in the party (paraphrase, "it appears to contain the DNA of every living organism that has ever lived")). I have always interpreted Lavos as a form of a parasite, a creature that asorbs the lifeforces of other beings to increase it's strength. At the same time, we have to look at lavos as biological creation; even IF it is self-aware and knows of it's surroundings, its true purpose from a scientific prespective is, well, to create more lavos(s)(or however thats pluralized). When Lavos imapacts earth in Chrono Trigger, it changes the enviroment so its food (aka, LIFEFORCES, as mention, I believe, by queen zeal right before she activates the Mammoth machine and deystroys her kingdom) will become dominant (more lifeforce equals more power for Lavos, thus a greater chance for it's offspring to survive). When Lavos deystroys earth in 1999 AD, it makes it possible for it's spawn to (apparently) survive on the surface (so they can leave earth and infect more planets, which I believe is brought up either by one of the three Magi or by the computer where the Epoch is found)... I hope I haven't bored anyone to tears out there with this, mainly since I have had only the chance to play Chrono Trigger and not Chrono Cross 
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