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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Questions
« on: May 13, 2005, 03:26:13 am »
Quote from: Magus-X
Here's another question. When Crono and his party go to 1999 A.D. they fight Lavos and then they kill him the game is over, but if they beat Lavos at 1999 A.D. does that mean that the year 2400 A.d. the world won't be in debris in that year. It will be a regular world. They never show the year 2400 A.D. after Crono and his party beat Lavos.


If you mean that when Crono + Co successfully defeat Lavos at 1999ad. would prevent the ruined 2400ad. then yes.


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I also do not believe that the Entity is the Planet either. I think what the game refers to as the planet, is just natural events. And maybe the Dragon God/God's.

I got the impression that Dinopolis wasn't forcefully pulled back by some Planet-Entity, but just a natural reprecussion due to Lavos pulling back Chronopolis into the past. The "Planet" hates humans, is not the planet itself, but all the other indigenous beings that did not benefit from Lavos's Evolutionary Engineering. The Dragon Gods are Angry for what they are doing to all the other life forms, because the humans really only Consume materials without giving anything back in return.

Now the Entity on the other hand, I think is some uber-time Traveller that somehow tries to influence the time line into his own personal Paradise. Or have the time-line what he "Dreamed" it should be :wink:
Maybe an even more advanced Chronopolis was forged in the new merged timeline, and they are trying to fix some mistake...

So many ideas for Chrono Break... Damnit SE, Make it, and make it good!

 :roll:

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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Debunking the Time Bastard Theory
« on: May 12, 2005, 02:15:30 pm »
Well, I read the TimeBastard Theory, and I believe I understand it. Is there even an event in ChronoTrigger where this even takes place?

Since I prefer to explain my understanding using examples, I'll use one now to see if if my understanding is true or not.
==Example1==
-Man-A from Timeline-X goes through a gate back in time by 2 hours.

-As soon as Man-A exits the gate in the past, Timeline-X is essentially destroyed, and a new timeline, Timeline-Y, takes it's place due to Man-A's interference. Man-A is now a part of Timeline-Y, so he is not destroyed with Timeline-X.  

-Man-B is Man-A's counterpart in Timeline-Y. Man-A is Man-B's future self.

-Man-A takes an action which will prevent Man-B from time traveling...

-As soon as Man-A goes through 2 hours, and reaches his -previous present?- there are now 2 Man's where there should be only one. Man-A has time traveller's immunity, and Man-B is cast into the Darkness beyond Time...

Is this correct?

If so, I don't think I like this Theory much. If the thinking of this is the conservation of mass/energy, what happened when Man-A entered Timeline-Y? suddenly new mass and energy are basically injected into the new timeline with nothing to counter-act it.

It also states that only identical entities are considered for the TimeBastard effect. However, Man-A is not the same, he is 2 hours ahead of Man-B in Age. Not to mention the Time-Traveller immunity. They are not identical.

I think the Theory should be elaborated a little for ease of understanding. with an example of how it works.   :wink:  

--I have another example I just thought of >_>  using the above naming conventions.

==Example2==
-Let's say that Man-A did not prevent Man-B from timetraveling.

-Man-B goes back in time through a gate 2 hours to the past.

-As soon as Man-B exits the gate in the past Timeline-Y is cast into the Darkness beyond Time (which includes Man-A) and Timeline-Z is created. with Man-B as the current TimeBastard. and then Man-C will be Man-B's counterpart in the Timeline-Z

This sounds awful to me since this would make a very bad loop if the current Time bastard does not prevent his counterparts timetravelling.

My second example confuses me. I have been thinking about some time-travelling theories myself, which tries to cover what I believe TimeBastard does. However, it is not yet completely thought out. It involves 2 timestrings for each time stream. kinda like a Parent-Timeline and a Child-Timeline, where looking at certain paradoxial events may be resolved by using the Parent-time index for the child's timeline.

I'd explain further, maybe in a new thread, I don't want to hi-jack this one lol. Plus, I've got to get to work -_-'

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Question about Schala.
« on: May 12, 2005, 01:18:31 pm »
Well, I have found three different ChronoCross scripts and none of them had a line which contained the line I was looking for. However, I still believe the previously mentioned sentence actually occured...

Also, I don't remember a line where saying not using the ChronoCross element will not get the job done. You destroy the Devourer of Time (Dragon God) within the time stream, then kill it's originator within the Darkness Beyond Time. That seems pretty complete to me. Only bad thing I can think of when the ChronoCross is not used is that Home World's Apocolypse will somewhow transfer to Another World's Dimension... And even that is not implied in the game.

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Question about Schala.
« on: May 05, 2005, 12:54:56 am »
Quote from: ZeaLitY
Chrono Cross, actually, seems to imply that not using the Chrono Cross will not get the job of killing the TD done. Naturally, that game script on Gamefaqs doesn't seem to have it. But if you can help me with my memory, it went like this:

[If the Chrono Cross is not used] the Time Devourer will simply be reabsorbed into the time stream.

That gave me the idea that not using it would not only prevent the unification of the dimensions, but would simply disperse the Time Devourer somewhere else. I can't pinpoint the quote though, so yeah, this is baseless for now.


Hmm, it has been a while since I've played through Crono Cross. However, this sentence does spark something in my rusty brain  :roll:

I'm sure Belthasar said this (I believe in the room with the Neo-Epoch.. Viper Manor?). Although I think it was that if the CronoCross -was- used the alternate Dimension will be reabsorbed into the time stream. Don't take my word for it though, as this is baseless as well.

I'll look around and try and find a script.

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Question about Schala.
« on: May 04, 2005, 02:02:09 am »
Quote from: GreenGannon
That, and the fact that not rescuing her would end up with the complete and total anihilation of time and space would've been mighty persuasive.


Well, it is possible to destroy the Time Devourer while not segregating Schala from it. So instead of toying with all of space time, he could have just sent someone to destroy the Time Devourer, or maybe even use the Frozen Flame to help him.
*He did help create the FATE computer/Chronopolis did he not?*

Instead, he initiated events to help create an alternate dimension to create an element called a Chrono Cross, and got a specific person to use it against the Time Devourer, which I believe increases the chance of Failure. *It does take time to get the proper elements in order.*

So I ask, what else would invoke such dire need in Belthasar to save Schala? I find it hard to believe he did it just because she's his Princess/Queen. Perhaps her powers are of use to him in further time experiments, or even to destroy a beast even more dangerous the the Time Devourer(If there could be one, Using space-time as your sustanence is a very dangerous parasite :?  ) .
*Maybe I'll use this in a FanFic lol.*


Quote from: ZeaLitY
Unfortunately, the truth isn't as romantic as any of those possibilities. In the original Japanese, the NPC who spoke of step siblings merely apologized for possibly speaking about Janus in a bad tone, and ruminated on how Janus seemed unskilled in magic compared to Schala. It's absent. I used to have the breakdown of the translation, but I can't even find it on these forums anymore.


Thank you for clearing that up for me. That seems to be a grievous translation-error though. =/

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Question about Schala.
« on: May 02, 2005, 08:44:38 pm »
Hello all, this is my first post on these boards. Found this site about a week ago, and became awed at how deep some of the disscussions here can be. Thought I'd try and contribute something. ^^ Namely, about Schala's origins. Excuse me if this has been verified at another time, or already discussed, but I haven't noticed it.

I was re-playing the game yesterday afternoon, Just hit the Chapter "The Magical Kingdom of Zeal" and one of the Zealians in either Zeal Palace, or Kajar mentioned that Janus is Schala's Half-brother. I assume that Zeal is their mother as they refer to her as such, but who is the Father of Janus/Schala if it was not the late King Zeal?  
--I apologize if this is later explained and i didn't pick it up.--

I've been thinking about it myself, and came up with something. Perhaps Belthasar is Schala's Father, and this is why he went to such extreme measures to save her in Chrono Cross. Rather than just sending people(or himself) to destroy the TimeDevourer, he concocted a plan to divide dementions to create a ChronoCross and send the arbiter with it to mend it back together, while stripping Schala from Lavos... Which seems rather dangerous to do to save one person. Unless of course he has some deep emotional attatchment to her.

Does Chrono Cross ever explain why Belthasar was so adamant about saving Schala?

Anyways, I think I'll use this idea in a FanFic, if of course I'm not completely wrong.  8)  Can anyone here have a script or something that would show otherwise? Or comment that this is a Translation-error? Or perhaps some of you have your own theories? I'd be glad to see them.

Food for thought I guess     :)

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