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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Magus's Weakness to the Masamune
« on: March 16, 2006, 07:36:56 pm »
Erm.

The question started from the fact that Masamune decreases Magus' magic defence and heals Frog when used against the Mammon Machine. It's Just A Legend doesn't explain that. :?

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Bah, right. Lucca did say "cycle," didn't she?

I guess that destroys everything I was blabbering about then.  :?

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The only solution to global warming: Nuclear winter.

lozl, I'm funneh. :(

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In a really, really grand scale, you could say so? But if you go that far everything that happens on this planet is controlled by Lavos. And a shooting star flying seventy five hundred lightyears away.

I don't think Lavos enjoys meddling with such miniscule aspect of humanity... But nothing says it can't. After all, Lavos can use magic. Or something.

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Nope. Nothing would be "eternal." Just... they would use a method we can't possibly understand. After all, there's magic in Chronoverse. That alone could just screw entropy over. (Hell, magic can even bring life back to a corpse.)

...grr. I'll shut up now. Feel free to ignore me. I'm a fan of esoteric (read as: thoroughly fscked up) sci-fi.

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Time, Space, and Dimensions / 1999 Differing From The System
« on: March 12, 2006, 10:19:35 pm »
Yay, finally! I've been waiting for this since I posted this.

...though, tragically I'm feeling really groggy today, and I'm not as hyper as I was this Friday. So I'll only try replying to only a few of these.

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So... From the Begining of Time till Year 1999, time passed normally as Lavos was dormant, and in Year 1999, Lavos ate time... wait, then how does future after the Day of Lavos exist? My answer: Future doesn't exist. Future has not happened yet, because time can't get there. The future the Heroes of Time and playes see are consequences prepared by time. Remember, with my stupid and unfounded pseudotheory, time is stuck at 1999. And Year 2300 is after Year 1999. This is a reason why the Heroes of Time could change the future. All they had to do is change the present event - Lavos.


Again, this is just blatantly wrong. Time cannot be stuck at 1999 A.D. - we know this for a fact since time actually passes in 2300 A.D. What you are proposing would not lead to a timeline but a type of time freeze similar to what we see in Chrono Cross' Dead Sea. More evidence against your argument is that there is evidence of Lavos' activities after 1999 A.D. - namely, its spawn and its presence. Furthermore, the fact that the Mother Brain computer talks about Lavos' children leaving one day to "seek new planets and prey." If Lavos consumed time at that point and effectively became the endpoint of time, it would not have has spawn in 2300 A.D. nor reigned atop Death Peak.


Maybe I should have worded these better. Or I should keep a constant tone. Or I was wrong about what I've said all the time. :(

When I said that Lavos ate time, I didn't mean it literally. (Lavos eating time would mean that a fundamental mechanism of the universe is destroyed, thus everything within it would break. It'd be kinda like pushing a ball into a slit with zero thickness... I guess.)  Things would try to fall toward the End of Time, but Lavos wouldn't let them go. It's moving, but toward a wrong target. Or something. The reason I said that was because, according to what I uttered, future shouldn't be accesible. But in CT the Heroes of Time even visits it, learns something from it and even brings a robot from there. So future gotta exist.

And it does. It's just not as real as past or present. The universe knows what happened in the beginning of universe, because it has happened. It would also know what happened ten minutes after the beginning, too. Or fifty billion years later. And it would know what happened ten minutes ago from now. And it would know what happened one ksana ago, because regardless of period, it happened. What about now? Well, the universe is looking at it. Alright. What about ten minutes later from now? Well, since it hasn't happened yet, the universe couldn't look at the record of all things/itself and tell what happened. Instead, it could guess what's going to happen, judging from what has happened and what is happening. What about fifty billion years later? Hmm... The universe might try guessing it, but chances are too low.

But, oh wait, what about the end of time? The univese knows - it's going to end. Pracitcally, the End of Time has happened.

So time know what is going to happen... With two certain points in time, the universe could try reverse-engineering the events between them. And the result would be the future as we see it. It's still mutable, because something in the present could change. But again, the final consequence needs to be met and the past events are immutable.

So, in CT, the universe guessed that, after Lavos erupted, it'd nuke the Earth. Then do something bad. And some more. Then, it'd make little Lavoslets and reign atop the Death Peak. The universe thinks it's the most likely. So that's why when you go to future, it's like that.

But when something in present changes--when timeline makes a radical turn--the guessed future wouldn't exist. Because, without Lavos to nuke the Earth, do bad stuffs to Earth and spawn Lavoslets, the guessed future would not make much sense. So the universe guesses a new future without Lavos.

Ehh... in short: The future both exists and doesn't exist. I tried ot show this with the diagrams, with the future part being sorta gray. The future's not there, but it's likely it'll be there.

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Before Year 1999, there is no moment of being sucked into an exact temporal point. Why? Because he doesn't exist outside Year 1999. Even if Lavos has transcended time, it seems to be bound by time most of the time. Maybe he only exerts so much temporal gravity only when he is attacking a planet. Proof? The Ocean Palace Incident and Magus' summoning of Lavos in Year 600. Lavos showed up, but time flowed fine. What the hell? I believe this is because Lavos was summoned, not ascended.


This is blatantly wrong.  Lavos does exist outside of 1999 A.D.  We know this to be true because Lavos fell to the planet in 65,000,000 B.C.  Furthermore, Lavos showed up at the Ocean Palace disaster in 12,000 B.C.  of its own will - Lavos was not summoned.  In 600 A.D., it was summoned, but not in 12,000 B.C.   Also, in-game evidence tells us that Lavos reigned atop Death Peak (although it's not completely clear what "atop" means by looking at Death Peak) after it ascended to the planet's surface.  


Yep. That's the initial reaction I got when I showed to someone else. My point, put clearer: Lavos time is the present.

Think of it like this: Let's pretend I ate a rock this morning. Am I eating a rock right now? No. The event is not here. I will eat a chemistry book for lunch tomorrow. Am I eating a chemistry book now? No. The event is not here. I am pissed at the humid weather. Am I pissed at the humid weather? Yes. I am pissed at the humid weather. The event is here. Me being pissed at humid weather now did not exist or will exist, beside right now. Year 1999 being the point where time is held in standard peaceful timeline, the event of Lavos existing in 1999 would be the only event here. Lavos descending to Earth is a record, and Lavos ruling atop the Death Peak is a guess. (And honestly this is getting convoluted. Give me another day, and I'll come up with a better explanation. Or admit to kicking my own ass.)

And about Ocean Palace - I think of it as Lavos swatting a horsefly on its bum. Lavos was sitting deep within Earth, minding its own business, and some things poke at it. First he didn't really mind, but when these things lost control and poked Lavos too hard, Lavos swung its tail and slapped Zeal real hard. Might be its instict-ish thing rather than pushing its agenda.  :?


Briefly, halfassed response - I should think more about Time Error. I swear I thought how Time Error (or at least something analogous to it) would work with the system I came up with...

And Gates - Lavos may not be as powerful, but it might be the only temporal gravity source beside the End of Time... and I think that's significant enough.

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Maybe nothing else in the universe reproduces? :wink: We shouldn't expect utterly alien life forms to be like us. Chances of another life form even resembling the Earth's life form would be smaller than a computer being built by itself after a big electric storm in a trash heap size of America.

Also, consider this: Lavos can mess with time. Lavos spends 65 million years in Earth and finishes his job. Rewind time. Go to another planet. Spend about trillion years there. He collects the DNA. Rewind time. Repeat. There really isn't a need for another Lavos out there, I think. It'd only trouble Lavos... its offsprings could turn against the progenitor.

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Have we seen any other "adult" Lavoses? The spawns may be something Lavos learned from Earthlings. Lavos could have been "Hey, now that I unraveled these animals to their most basic unit, let's take a look at what these guys can do... Oh, what's that? Reproduction? Nifty! Maybe I should try it a few times before I integrate it into my plan!"

...of course, with such enigmatic creature as Lavos, everything could be right and everything could be wrong. Who knows, maybe Lavos transforms into a carebear when you feed it after midnight.

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That's how I see Lavos also... For some reason, I see Lavos as a hero with heart of steel who will unhesitatingly kill a thousand to save a million (or rather, kill many planets capable of supporting life and trillions and trillons of souls to save the universe.)

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General Discussion / Whats your Chrono Trigger Story?
« on: March 12, 2006, 06:30:49 pm »
I played Chrono Trigger for the first time... a month ago. Somehow, Chrono Trigger was brought up in this IRC channel I frequent. I was like, lozl what are you people talking about this time? And everyone was like, ozmgwtf, sssssz you phail the internet and I was like OMG!!! ur mean! :(((((. Well, I've been meaning to play that thing for quite a while, and had it conveniently in my computer too. So... School was off one Friday, so I sat in front of my computer and started playing Chrono Trigger the evening before. I ended up spending 2/3 to 3/4 of my weekend on Chrono Trigger alone. Two weeks later I started hunting for Chrono series material on the net, and a month later I gave birth to the monstrosity that sits in the Time board.

Sigh. I'm a lifeless creature.

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General Discussion / Idiotic poll results
« on: March 12, 2006, 11:54:55 am »
Seriously. Are Arabians as cool as mafias? I didn't think so. (No offence there. I said that on the basis that only ninjas and pirates are cooler than mafias.)

And, heh, Liberal is conservative in Australia?

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Time, Space, and Dimensions / 1999 Differing From The System
« on: March 10, 2006, 10:19:26 pm »
Bunnies are yummeh. :9

But not sure about cats. I just said that I eat a cat just because it seemed like an appropriate thing to do.

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Time, Space, and Dimensions / 1999 Differing From The System
« on: March 10, 2006, 09:47:32 pm »
Ok, I got me some time. Let me give it a shot.

Before I begin, I preemptively aplogize for being unclear and generally stupid and unfounded. My excuses: 1) English is my second language. 2)I am a pseudoscientist at most, not a scientist. 3) Explanation, teaching and stuff are not my best abilities, and 4) Spring break just began. :D Though, I will try my best at making sense out of this stupid and unfounded pseudotheory on time I've come up with a long time ago. :) Also, please recognize that this theory is not originally an attempt to explain the Chronoverse's temporal mechanics, but my view on temporal mechanics twinked to explane the Chronoverse's temporal mechanics. Thus, this will probably ignore current theories and explanations somewhat (not that they are stupid and unfounded, but it's gonna take a while to make this pseudotheory become compatible with those.)

I will write this under the assumptions that: the Big Bang is the correct explanation about how the universe came to being, the end of the universe will be the reversal of the Big Bang (not necessarily the Big Crunch, though,) the universe is the nearest thing to infiinty, and the dimension of the time is not the fourth dimension, but an independent 1D parameter that resembles the spatial dimensions as we know it (it will be explained later.)


If we are not mistaken, time only flows forward (and I am talking about real life temporal mechanics. Don't make it another Chrono Compendium slogan please :( ) It is impossible to go forwar and/or back in time with our known or predicted technology, as Einstein argued. And chances are that he's right. We have never never witness where time has flowed backward, stopped or jumped. How? My pseudoexplanation: Matter, energy, space, and everything else that exist also move in a 1D temporal dimension, and are all pulled toward the end of time (or the End of Time) by a force I call "temporal gravity."

What the heck am I talking about? Well, one day, I was thinking about the beginning of time, the concept and tangibility of inifinity and infinitesimal, and other geeky stuffs. According to the Big Bang theory, everything that exist originate from an infinitesimally small point. So when the Big Bang occured, everything in the universe spread outward at infinitely high speed, thus changing the very center of the universe into an inifintely empty point. Say, now what about the end of the universe? If the universal phenomena of everything trying to balance out (like what happens with charges, fluid on an angular container, two atmospheres of differing temperature, etc) applies to the universe itself, wouldn't the end of the universe a reversal of the Big Bang? As in, you know, everything that exist goes back to an infinitesimally small point, thus changing the very center of the universe into an infinitely "full" point. Well, that would exert some gravity, wouldn't it? In a way, it might resemble an universal black hole that transcends the universe itself. So... in summary, The beginning of time is infinitely empty, and the end of time is infinitely full. And we, and everything else that exist, are in between those two infinite points.

Then, perhaps, maybe we are "falling" into this weird, infintely strong "gravity" created by the end of time?

If so, it might explain how time never flowed backward, stopped, or jumped forward. And how everything follows a singular flow of time. There is only one thing that exerts "temporal gravity," and that is the end of time. Nothing else, and NOTHING ELSE, is capable of creating a such esoteric and poweful force, in past, present or future. Also, nothing, and NOTHING is powerful enough to deny the infinitely powerful pull of the end of time (Well, maybe perhaps except the beginning of time, as it's infinitely empty and has nothing to be pulled. Though the concept of the beginning of time crashing into the end of time is just too confusing for my puny mind to comprehend.)


OK. Let's stop talking about the temporal gravity for a second. I feel the need to talk about causality and "temporal momentum," using a string to help me. Remember how physics teachers tried to explain Einstein's universe with a black sheet? Like that. :)

Let's pretend the Big Bang created only time, and nothing else. The timeline of the universe would look like this, I believe.

As nothing happens, or rather, no event occurs, all time does is end, as quickly as possible. It takes a straight route. (Oh, oh, figures are not drawn to scale, or even close to it. I drew them the way I find easy to work with. That line would had to be 1 pixel long, but that's hard to show what I'm talking about... I think. Not that it's helping me much anyway :P)

Now let's say an event occurs: sssssz eats a cat.

For that event to happen, sssssz must have a cat to eat. For that to happen, a cat must be born. For that to happen, two grownup cats need to love each other very much... and so on. For an event in present to happen, events need to happen in the past.

And what happens after the current event occurs? There are consequences. As sssssz eats a cat, he becomes full. As he is full, he chooses not to eat a bunny. As the bunny is not eaten, the bunny becomes capable of contacting the bunnyking. As the bunnyking recognizes the terror that humanity inflicts on bunnies and bunnypeople, the bunnyking declares war on humanity... and so on. A current event require past history (not the term I'm looking for, but I can't find it) and future consequences. They are inevitable and unchangable.Is that it? Nope. There is one thing that is mutable and changable: the current event. Say, sssssz choose not to eat a cat just because it's so cute. Instead, sssssz chooses to eat the bunny. As the bunny dies, the bunnyking becomes unaware of the humanity's cruelty. As the humanity gets away from the lapine wrath. And so on. Because of the gargantuan pull of temporal gravity, you cannot change the past events however changing a present event, future consequences are changed.

(Before you tackle me on this, remember: The consequences changed, not the events itself. A change in a present event created new future events, not modified consequences from another change in a present event.)

Still... there is one thing you cannot change in the future, no matter what you do: the end of time. Even if the humanity is smoten with the heavenly lapine wrath, it won't change the fact that the universe will end. Even if sssssz eats a bunny and becomes a rabid werebunny, it won't change the fact that the universe will end. The end of time is the anchor that all time holds onto--

...uh, I think I went a little off topic there. I apologize. Back to "temporal momentum." Given that there is nothing in the universe, time only needs end. However, now there are events, in past, present and future. These events cannot happen simultaneously. There must be a length of time between these events. Now time has a function... It cannot dive right into the end of time a single ksana after the beginning of time. It is stretched to fit the events, intervals, durations and stuff. A graphic representation of what I'm talking about:

-sssssz eats the cat


-sssssz eats the bunny


...they turned out to be worse than I expected them to be, but meh, I don't know how to explain "changed future, unchanging fate" bit. These are terrifyingly exaggerate, by the way.

Like how metal bearings dropped on a two-dimensional black sheet stretches it downward to represent Einstein's view on gravity, events are dropped on a one-dimensional string to represent how these events "stretch" time. In a timeline where nothing happens, time dives straight into the end of time because it doesn't need to wait for anything. So, the universe would last for an infinitesimal amount of time. However, but with them events, time is stretched.

(Jesus, this is a long winded explanation.) Anyway, no matter what happens, the time ends. This is an inevitabilty, as there is nothing that can overcome the temporal gravity produced by the end of time. Events will innately be sucked into series of events that ends the universe. Especially very, very close to the end of time, the universe will force itself to achieve the status of the end. I call this "temporal momentum," as events nearer and nearer to the end of time will have bigger tendency to fall into the series of events that lead to the end of time... like how free falling matter gains more and more energy as it approaches a gravity source due to increasing acceleration.

(And if you ask me, I don't think I made sense there... But I tried. :()


And finally. The Chronoverse comes into play. Screw real life temporal mechanics. We want more of them teenage swordsmen with radical hairdo, magical princesses and talking amphibians.

In the Chronoverse, there is a temporal gravity source except the end of time (or the End of Time): Lavos. Lavos can control time. That's just powerful. Its presence itself is powerful enough to bend time to an undeniable degree. Also, something makes me think that the Entity is also capable of messing with time (explanation to come up later in the post.)

Anyway, assumptions: For the most part, the Chronoverse resembles the real life universe.

And here are parts of my stupid and unfounded pseudotheory: Lavos only and actually exists in 1999. What makes me say such stupid and unfounded statement? Because 1999 is a unique point in time. For every other Gates, Time Error works. Say you are in 1000. You go to Year 600, wait about 2 minutes there, and go back to Year 1000. Two minutes have passed. However, with 1999 Gate, this doesn't work. You visit 1999 and see Lavos ascending through the Earth. You run away to 12000 BC, wait about three days there, and go back to 1999. And once again, you see Lavos ascending through the Earth. Why? My stupid and unfounded explanation: Around the moment when Lavos ascends, time flows toward that moment, not the End of Time. For a short while, Lavos exerts a greater temporal gravity than the End of TIme. Thus, Time Error, which is a special measure of time in respect of the standard flow of time (toward the End of Time) fails to work and Lavos' presence overrides standard temporal mechanics.

Second part. If Lavos' presence is powerful enough to tell the universe to screw itself, its presence would certainly affect the time in other era. But no, that's not true. Before Year 1999, there is no moment of being sucked into an exact temporal point. Why? Because he doesn't exist outside Year 1999. Even if Lavos has transcended time, it seems to be bound by time most of the time. Maybe he only exerts so much temporal gravity only when he is attacking a planet. Proof? The Ocean Palace Incident and Magus' summoning of Lavos in Year 600. Lavos showed up, but time flowed fine. What the hell? I believe this is because Lavos was summoned, not ascended. (And about Lavos' head remaining busted... I think it's just written that way so players won't have to fight like 10 bosses every time they go to Lavos. Meh.)

So... From the Begining of Time till Year 1999, time passed normally as Lavos was dormant, and in Year 1999, Lavos ate time... wait, then how does future after the Day of Lavos exist? My answer: Future doesn't exist. Future has not happened yet, because time can't get there. The future the Heroes of Time and playes see are consequences prepared by time. Remember, with my stupid and unfounded pseudotheory, time is stuck at 1999. And Year 2300 is after Year 1999. This is a reason why the Heroes of Time could change the future. All they had to do is change the present event - Lavos.

Alright. Now, about Gates. My view on time warping: Temporal Gravity Slingshot effect. Apparently, Lavos is an integral part ot time warping. It could mean that Lavos is a necessary part. If the second part of my stupid and unfounded pseudotheory is correct, it works for every Gates except two. Here's what I'm talking about (though the software made it look a bit weird. The curves, the Corridors of Time, are supposed to wrap around Lavos before getting back to the timeline):

Like I've cleared out before, you have no chance of going against time. Though, Lavos can. To act against time, you only need to borrow its help. Though how can the Heroes of Time borrow help from something from future? That in inself is an action against time... This is where the deux ex machina Entity comes into play. The planet somehow gained power over time, and assisted the Heroes of Time in their quest by creating the temporal trajectories (the Corridors of Time) leading to critical temporal points and stuff. By swinging around Lavos' gargantuan temporal gravity, the Heroes of Time can go to different places in timeline. (Before you go all "Hold it right there, you unintelligent buttocks. If you are using Lavos' gravity well to make temporal leaps, you'd crash into Lavos," remember that Lavos is not the only temporal gravity source.)

And now what about the Conservation of Time Theorem and... all the stuff about how when more than four people make a same temporal leap, they are sent to the point of the least resistence--the End of Time? Well, my only explanation is that the Corridors of Time and Gates are designed to process only matters equal to three people, and more matter leads to anomaly in the slingshot effect and travellers are shot outside of the corridor, then sucked into the greatest temporal gravity source, the End of Time. Honestly I'm not sure about this, the whole Conservation of Time Theorem thing...

And sigh. This is it for now. I've got more stuff that I could expand on, though I just realized what I am doing in front of a computer, on Friday night, on the first day of my spring break. Bahahah. You know what kind of life I lead.

This is the first time I show this pseudoscience to others, so please be gentle. It's never been criticized or reviewed before, so I bet you can find a truckload of errors, contradictions and paradoxes here and there. Well, this was more of an attempt to explain why I said such stupid[/t] and unfounded thing, rather than an attempt to suggest an alternate theory on the Chronoverse temporal mechanics. (Speaking of which, is there a word for sciend of time?)


EDIT: Oh, darn you Enligsh. Darn you straight to heck. Also, thanks to someone I know, I recognized that there are obvious faults to some of things I said, like Epoch, but I'd rather address them and try to convince you all that I was right all along in a seperate post.

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Time, Space, and Dimensions / 1999 Differing From The System
« on: March 10, 2006, 04:04:13 am »
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Maybe Lavos' presence itself sucks you into that exact moment. Sorta like temporal gravity thing.


That's stupid and unfounded.


True. Maybe I'll try to make it sound less stupid when I have the time to elabrate on this... or something.  :(

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Eh, chances are that the Frog King-Frog Glenn-Frog Squash thing derived from the fairy tale idea... Seen from a writer's point of view, I wonder what's there to be argued about, or something.

Ah well. :?

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