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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Unnatural Selection
« on: October 30, 2004, 01:02:40 am »
Remember how Azala speaks in CT about how the apes are chosen to live.  I also remember reading a Japanese translation that said that mother earth had chosen them.  Now if the earth had chosen the reptites to live in the dimension it pulled dinopolis back from, wouldn't the dragon gods coming from that place have a natural hatred for humans.  Knowing that wouldn't they want to help Lavos/TD and switch sides since they both have that goal, even if they were originally on the planets side.  Is there still any confusion on this or was it solved somewhere and I missed it?

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I'm going to number off a bunch of possibilities that all add up to explain everything.  All that i write here is up for debate, but a good part of the theory is backed by fact.  I don't know how much of this has been written before.  I'm only going to talk mainly from a CT perspective.  I won't get into Fate or anything like that.  Just going to explain more about CT.  This also only works with certain endings.  But i'm sure with some tweeking it could work for multiple. Read this whole thing through and It might make sense.  Here it goes.

1.  Lavos Lands in 65000000B.C. and sets up a vortex inside the earth to withdrawl its energy.  Vortex=Blue swirly battle place.

2.  This vortex is physically in the center of the earth but because so much energy is being transfered(or something else), it caused it to transcend time.

Reason:  Zeal makes the ocean palace to be closer to Lavos.  Now why would Zeal go through all that trouble if hes not actually there?

Note:This place is unbreakable by an outside force.  Only Lavos can open it.  And creates a new one whenever he fights you to continue to steal earths energy.

3.  Since the vortex transcends time.  Theoretically, you can kill Lavos at one point and he'll be erased from all of them.  (He later creates a second one that you do kill him in but i'll get to that later)

4.  The year 12000B.C. comes around and the ocean palace is built and has the mammon machine in it and all that.  Lavos is fine with this but then crono comes along.  The red knife is thrown into the machine and drains Lavos of enough power to wake him up.  This drain creates the Masamune.

5.  Lavos breaks his vortex to come to the ocean palace.  This is BIG.  Without this separation and making of a new vortex at the Ocean palace, Lavos would be erased pre 12,000B.C. when you beat him later on.  Remember that everything in the vortex transcends time and without the split, killing lavos in the future beyond the ocean palace would mean killing Lavos pre 12,000B.C. and that can't happen

Reason: Lavos had to remain before the Ocean palace.  Otherwise Zeal and all of zeals people would never have existed too.  Also, schala wouldn't exist and it would be impossible for CC to happen.  In other words we create a giant paradox out of the game and we can't have that in a theory now can we.  Plus the apes would never evolve to humans with decent brains had lavos been wiped.

6.Lavos sets up his second vortex at the ocean palace.  Again this is big because Lavos's vortex needs to separate.

7.Chrono gets a full blast of Lavos energy and Lavos takes his spirit.(I call this the "Your soul is mine" theory.  And yes, you must pronounce it the same way that Shang Tsung did in the first mortal combat movie.)

Reasons:

a.In the FMV movie you see a little white ball above cronos head before he is destroyed.  I'm sure now that this is his soul and since it never vaporizes as if it crosses over to the other side i.e. afterlife.  Meaning it stayed with Lavos.  Also, noone ever directly says crono is dead.  They say things like"Where did he go" but never dead.  Gaspar also never says that the time egg is too bring him back to life but just to bring him back.

b.Zeal talks to Magus before this and says to him something like"This is from me to you... you shall enjoy eternal life... as part of Lavos.

c.  When you fight Lavos with Magus in your party later on he says that humans are Lavos's produce(meaning food).  Ass this to the other statements and it seems clear that Lavos doesn't want just the earths soul but souls in general.

d.  When you go to the Geno some you get to see all those happy people go into the room on the conveyor belt, and they don't come out.  The mother brain here sounds like it works for Lavos.  The mother Brain might be helping him obtain souls.  She says"Soon Lavos's children will need to find other planets and prey".  Other prey makes it sound like it doesn't just take life force from the earth.  In other words souls(Or possibly DNA.  Could someone plz check to see if DNA stayed the same in the jap to eng translation.  Cause if they changed soul to dna it makes a big difference.)  With that whole prey thing in mind it seem like lavos just gave humans the brain to create technology, and then used their own technology to harvest their souls.(Can you say Soul McMuffin)



I might be taking this a step too far at this point but bear with me.


8.In the end Lavos doesn't get chrono's soul because you go back in time and put the dummy there.  It would be like Shang Tsung going "Your soul is mine" to a Barbie doll.(Just let that imagery sit for a bit)

Now imagine him getting frustrated when it doesn't work.

9.  Think back to before you replace chrono with the dummy and are still in the palace.  Right after crono vaporizes you get sent out.

10.  Zeal falls and Schala and the queen are still in the vortex with Lavos

Reason: When you talk to the guy after the huge wave comes in he says that he say melchoir go after magus who was sucked in by a portal(Most likely the entity conserving part of the past).  When asked where Schala is he replies,"No one has seen her since".  Meaning she didn't go with melchoir and all the others.  I'm also sure that zeal falls in both cases where you kill Lavos.  Remember Lavos is the main power source for zeal and I'm pretty sure that that causes it to float.  So if Lavos dies then Zeal goes with him, no matter when you kill him.

11.  Queen Zeal commands Schala to turn the Ocean Palace into the Black Omen.  The Omen is important because it can fly.  It is connected to Lavos's ocean palace vortex(Remember the old one is gone).  Lavos is somewhere directly under the Omen.  When Lavos finishes up with this earth he will continue to go to the next planet with the Black Omen.  The Black Omen just allows Queen Zeal to go along with Lavos and obtain more power.

12.  The Omen, Lavos and Zeal are now one.  Schala doesn't seem to be in the picture here.  She is most likely in the mammon machine or lost in the vortex.

Reason: Zeal come out and talks about the connection thing.  Since Schala is no where to be found, it is likely that the Queen discarded her after she did her work.  And the Queen does threaten to throw people into the mammon machine.  

Note:  Remember how I said that Lavos's vortex is sealed unless he opens it.  Well Lavos is connected to the Omen, and the Omen is open so now Lavos is accesable through the Omen.

13.  You go and kill Lavos's shell and it is destroyed throughout time.  The vortex is still in existance after you destroy the shell.

14.  Because the vortex still exists, it is possible that Schala could be there after you beat the shell.  Not that she keeps the vortex running, but since Lavos is still powering it, it leaves her a place to be.  If she was in the mammon machine, she was most likely sent to the tesseract after you destroyed it.

15.  Lavos core battle takes place throughout all of time.

Reason:  No actually it doesn't.  These are just images from Lavos's memory.  The battle doesn't take place throughout time.  Remember we are still in the vortex that sucks away earths energy.  It is possible to argue that these images are memories of earth that Lavos stole/is stealing.

16.  You defeat Lavos

Reason:  Well, unless your horrible and you fail everything, this happens.

17.  Because of this Lavos is erased from history in his vortex.

Reason:  All the previous mentioned stuff about the vortex.

18.  Crono leaves and the ending happens

19.  Meanwhile, Lavos is hurled into the Tesseract

Reason:  Since he was in a place that transcended time he goes there because he didn't die.  Things that die go to an afterlife.  I'm thinking this place is called Zurvan because in the CC ending, Schala talks about how,"All dreams return to Zurvan".  Things that are erased go to the Tesseract.

20.  On a side note, the old 2300 no longer exists and tries go to the tesseract.  That doesn't happen because Lavos and that whole disaster is being sent there.  Hence, a timecrash.  If 2300 went into the tesseract, than Lavos would have been spat back into reality during the time crash.  To much stuff going into the Tesseract=Overload=some shit gets spat back out, and garbled at that.  Kind of like a computer.

21.Schala, where ever she may be, does get sent into the tesseract.  She wasn't erased, but was sent into the tesseract a non-erased being.  This means she can still come out alive.  Lavos is doomed here unless....
He merges himself with Schala.  Making it possible for him to come back in a sense.  However he is outside of existance the only thing for him to feed off of is existance itself, or time.  Hence he is now the time devourer, eating away at all of space/time.  Also, the queen died, so she isn't in the Tesseract.  So in the end:
Erased lavos+live Schala+in the tesseract= TD

Reason:  The only thing to prove here is that living things can enter the Tesseract even if they aren't erased.  This happens when Serge goes to fight the TD.

Well thats all I'm going to come up with for now.  That was like, my lifes work right there.  I hope it all makes sense.  And it will most likely be proven wrong by that dam waste paper basket at the end of time(I sure hope not).  I'm sure its riddled with grammatical errors and things that make entire paragraphs unreadable.  All I know is that I've spent well over 3hr. on this thing and boy am I hungry.

I wonder if I still got an of my... ...Soul McMuffin?

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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Lavos And The Universe
« on: June 22, 2004, 01:10:44 am »
Also imagine what this means for the Chrono universe.  What if Lavos isn't the first one of its kind?  Could earth be hit again by a similar parasite?  If not, what created Lavos so that it would be the first of its kind?

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