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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: never played Cross before, which characters should I use?
« on: August 07, 2008, 03:46:01 am »
A lot of who you'll use is dependent on what path(s) you choose on your first way through. Also, the order in which you recruit characters will obviously affect who use you at a given time. In my opinion, these are the characters you should look out for:
Magic: Leena, Riddel, Razzly, Harle*. Guile is also pretty decent for magic, but his element grid really kind of sucks intially.
Physical: GrobyC, Glenn**, Leah, Orlha, Karsh, Zoah. Marcy is pretty good, too.
Still, as someone stated earlier, you really can't go too wrong with anybody. This isn't the most difficult game in the world. Basically, you should play with whatever characters you like the most
These characters are really just the ones I find suited to my play style. Hope this helps!
*On your first run through, I recommend not investing EVERYTHING in Harle, for reasons you'll find out. However, in some of my New+ and Continue+ files, she is my primary magic user and kind of kicks butt
**Glenn is especially powerful later on, after you do some sidequesting to teach him something nifty
Magic: Leena, Riddel, Razzly, Harle*. Guile is also pretty decent for magic, but his element grid really kind of sucks intially.
Physical: GrobyC, Glenn**, Leah, Orlha, Karsh, Zoah. Marcy is pretty good, too.
Still, as someone stated earlier, you really can't go too wrong with anybody. This isn't the most difficult game in the world. Basically, you should play with whatever characters you like the most
These characters are really just the ones I find suited to my play style. Hope this helps!*On your first run through, I recommend not investing EVERYTHING in Harle, for reasons you'll find out. However, in some of my New+ and Continue+ files, she is my primary magic user and kind of kicks butt
**Glenn is especially powerful later on, after you do some sidequesting to teach him something nifty
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Question about FATE and the FF
« on: August 07, 2008, 03:25:06 am »
Hi all. I've been doing a lot of reading but am unable to find the answers to a few confusing questions I have regarding FATE and the FF. Now, I know that FATE was using the FF to power itself. However, once Serge became the Arbiter, FATE was no longer able to access the FF. My question now: Did FATE shut down operations completely without the FF, or was it just unable to operate large scale that it had before (ie, controlling human destinies via records of fate)?
If I had to guess, I would have to say it was the latter of the two, as FATE still seemed able to manipulate Wazuki (into eventually becoming Lynx), imprisoning Miguel, and containing that six dragons. Still, I'm really not at all sure. How does FATE power itself? Is the FF just a tool to expand FATE's power?
Regarding the FF, what I have been reading through has been unclear. Are there two FFs, one for each dimension? If so, is Serge the Arbiter of both? Or was one of them destroyed along with the mess that is the Home World's Dead Sea?
Oh, and one final thing. After reading a fair bit of Salt for the Dead Sea, I'm still confused. Are there two Dead Seas? If so, (and Miguel's character profile does say so) why do both dimensions have them? Isn't it only supposed to reflect the ruinous future of the home world?
Sorry for all the questions. I'm sure the answers are out there and I'm just not looking in the right places. If anybody has any knowledge, theories, thoughts, or opinions to contribute, I'd really appreciate it!
If I had to guess, I would have to say it was the latter of the two, as FATE still seemed able to manipulate Wazuki (into eventually becoming Lynx), imprisoning Miguel, and containing that six dragons. Still, I'm really not at all sure. How does FATE power itself? Is the FF just a tool to expand FATE's power?
Regarding the FF, what I have been reading through has been unclear. Are there two FFs, one for each dimension? If so, is Serge the Arbiter of both? Or was one of them destroyed along with the mess that is the Home World's Dead Sea?
Oh, and one final thing. After reading a fair bit of Salt for the Dead Sea, I'm still confused. Are there two Dead Seas? If so, (and Miguel's character profile does say so) why do both dimensions have them? Isn't it only supposed to reflect the ruinous future of the home world?
Sorry for all the questions. I'm sure the answers are out there and I'm just not looking in the right places. If anybody has any knowledge, theories, thoughts, or opinions to contribute, I'd really appreciate it!
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Teehee, Harle!
« on: August 07, 2008, 02:53:23 am »
After continue+ing my new+ game onto another save file, I was able to add Harle to my party before the Chronopolis sequence. She can be used for mild comedic effect in some of the situations that ensue towards the end of the game.
[After the dragons have merged, in Terra Tower, Belthasar explains what has happened]
Belthasar:
But all that changed when
FATE was vanquished and its
powerhold was eliminated!
At that moment, the seven
Dragons who had been
rendered almost powerless
and forgotten...
traveled across the
dimensions to reunite
into a single entity!
Harle:
Seven dragons?
I t'ought zere
were only six?!?
Belthasar:
(He rambles on for a bit)
...
The child the others created on
the night of the electric storm
that temporarily caused FATE
to loosen its hold on them...
Belthasar:
I believe you
knew her as...
Harle.
Harle:
......!!!
Unbelievable!
Oh hee hee hee, the irony. I thought was pretty amusing to have Harle talk about herself
Oh, and running quickly through the burning orphanage with Harle in your party is also fun. She simultaneously burns down the orphanage and tries to save it? Fighting FATE in Chronopolis with Harle in your party is kind of funny, too. There's two of them in the room at the same time.
Unfortunately, where most of the characters have dialogue at the end of the game (near the frozen flame, or during the 'right ending') Harle doesn't having any
. I guess the designers took enough care as to make sure no contradictory dialogue messed up the ending. Ho-hum.
Has anybody else found comedic situations in which to use Harle after she's supposed to be gone from your party?
[After the dragons have merged, in Terra Tower, Belthasar explains what has happened]
Belthasar:
But all that changed when
FATE was vanquished and its
powerhold was eliminated!
At that moment, the seven
Dragons who had been
rendered almost powerless
and forgotten...
traveled across the
dimensions to reunite
into a single entity!
Harle:
Seven dragons?
I t'ought zere
were only six?!?
Belthasar:
(He rambles on for a bit)
...
The child the others created on
the night of the electric storm
that temporarily caused FATE
to loosen its hold on them...
Belthasar:
I believe you
knew her as...
Harle.
Harle:
......!!!
Unbelievable!
Oh hee hee hee, the irony. I thought was pretty amusing to have Harle talk about herself
Oh, and running quickly through the burning orphanage with Harle in your party is also fun. She simultaneously burns down the orphanage and tries to save it? Fighting FATE in Chronopolis with Harle in your party is kind of funny, too. There's two of them in the room at the same time.
Unfortunately, where most of the characters have dialogue at the end of the game (near the frozen flame, or during the 'right ending') Harle doesn't having any
. I guess the designers took enough care as to make sure no contradictory dialogue messed up the ending. Ho-hum.Has anybody else found comedic situations in which to use Harle after she's supposed to be gone from your party?
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Lucca & Luccia? Ayla and Leah? Frog and Glenn (CC)?
« on: August 07, 2008, 02:17:00 am »
-Regarding Leah/Ayla:-
Being that Gaea's Navel was NOT terraformed with the rest of the dragon islands in the El Nido archipelago, it remains chronologically possible that Leah's tribe has existed there apart from the rest of the world since 65,000,000 BC. However, Gaea's Navel was really one of the only islands in the the El Nido sea in 65,000,000 BC (nothing had been terraformed yet), and who knows how far away from the mainland. Even ignoring the sheer cliffs that make entry virtually impossible, I think it's highly unlikely that Leah came from a stock of people who had always been there.
Also, when mankind came in contact with the FF later on, they began to rapidly evolve, meaning, essentially, that's really not too possible for Leah / her tribe to have existed this long and have not evolved. Personally, I subscribe to the theory of the time gate in the Mystic Mts. If random animals / annoying jungle beat playing things wandered in there too, it would explain how Gaea's Navel got populated. That might also explain how Leah would be able to get back to 65,000,000 BC and birth an Ayla (as she says she will in .
-Regarding Lucca/Lucciana:-
After the optional 'Burning Orphanage' sequence, Luccia reads a letter to Kid from Lucca. She mentions that they were good friends and colleagues, and says something along the lines of Lucca being a genius who would have surpassed her [Luccia] in scientific studies had she not come to her tragic fate. So, they're definitely not the same person, just good friends who are both scientists and both have purple hair and both have very similar names and both wear glasses, etc. etc.
Unless...maybe...just maybe...Lucca grew her hair out and changed her name and adopted a fake accent and BECAME LUCCIA!. We never actually see Lucca's dead body or anything. All I recall seeing in the Burning Orphange is a pair of glasses on the ground. Hee hee.
-Regarding Frog/ CC's Glenn-
I really don't know what to make of this. I mean, they're clearly not the same person, unless frog was reincarnated, because we know of CC 's Glenn's origins; he is Garai's son and Dario's brother. He even looks like Dario, so it seems quite likely that they are legitimately related and that he was born around 1000 AD or so.
Still, I feel like if there wasn't supposed to be a connection at all, Square wouldn't have given them the same name, the same inferiority complex, similar outfits, similar swords, etc. In the end, they even kind of turn out the same. Frog gets changed back to CT's Glenn (according to the PSX ending), having made peace with Cyrus, whom he succeeded in a way. Likewise, CC's Glenn makes peace with Dario/Garai after death, and succeeds them as well. Both of them end of bearers of great swords of power (CT Glenn = Masamune, CC Glenn = Einlanzer) as well.
It's tough to say. Personally, I don't think they're the same person, but the similarities are too great to be coincidental.
Being that Gaea's Navel was NOT terraformed with the rest of the dragon islands in the El Nido archipelago, it remains chronologically possible that Leah's tribe has existed there apart from the rest of the world since 65,000,000 BC. However, Gaea's Navel was really one of the only islands in the the El Nido sea in 65,000,000 BC (nothing had been terraformed yet), and who knows how far away from the mainland. Even ignoring the sheer cliffs that make entry virtually impossible, I think it's highly unlikely that Leah came from a stock of people who had always been there.
Also, when mankind came in contact with the FF later on, they began to rapidly evolve, meaning, essentially, that's really not too possible for Leah / her tribe to have existed this long and have not evolved. Personally, I subscribe to the theory of the time gate in the Mystic Mts. If random animals / annoying jungle beat playing things wandered in there too, it would explain how Gaea's Navel got populated. That might also explain how Leah would be able to get back to 65,000,000 BC and birth an Ayla (as she says she will in .
-Regarding Lucca/Lucciana:-
After the optional 'Burning Orphanage' sequence, Luccia reads a letter to Kid from Lucca. She mentions that they were good friends and colleagues, and says something along the lines of Lucca being a genius who would have surpassed her [Luccia] in scientific studies had she not come to her tragic fate. So, they're definitely not the same person, just good friends who are both scientists and both have purple hair and both have very similar names and both wear glasses, etc. etc.
Unless...maybe...just maybe...Lucca grew her hair out and changed her name and adopted a fake accent and BECAME LUCCIA!. We never actually see Lucca's dead body or anything. All I recall seeing in the Burning Orphange is a pair of glasses on the ground. Hee hee.
-Regarding Frog/ CC's Glenn-
I really don't know what to make of this. I mean, they're clearly not the same person, unless frog was reincarnated, because we know of CC 's Glenn's origins; he is Garai's son and Dario's brother. He even looks like Dario, so it seems quite likely that they are legitimately related and that he was born around 1000 AD or so.
Still, I feel like if there wasn't supposed to be a connection at all, Square wouldn't have given them the same name, the same inferiority complex, similar outfits, similar swords, etc. In the end, they even kind of turn out the same. Frog gets changed back to CT's Glenn (according to the PSX ending), having made peace with Cyrus, whom he succeeded in a way. Likewise, CC's Glenn makes peace with Dario/Garai after death, and succeeds them as well. Both of them end of bearers of great swords of power (CT Glenn = Masamune, CC Glenn = Einlanzer) as well.
It's tough to say. Personally, I don't think they're the same person, but the similarities are too great to be coincidental.
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