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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Does the DBT exist as a 0th dimension?
« on: June 24, 2008, 12:05:51 am »
I think the nature of the Darkness has to do with something that the developers conveniently forgot to explain that ties together a lot of loose ends in this game, such as the huge WTF moment that was the Dead Sea.
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Forced Split-Demensional Timeline Theorum - Debunking the Time Bastard Theory
« on: June 23, 2008, 11:16:37 pm »
I was actually formulating a way to either explain TB more clearly or render it useless, myself. Being a mere freshman, my thorough understanding of everything quantum stops at finite square wells. However, I propose a different point of contention:
Why must energy be conserved in R5?
Think about it. In order to account for time, a fourth dimension is usually defined to contain that concept. In order to account for changing time, a fifth dimension could be defined. I originally thought that a sixth dimension could be used to contain TB, but at one point energy is simply destroyed/created. The fact is, a lot of the geometric properties that exist in the three spatial dimensions simply aren't defined in the temporal dimensions. For all intents and purposes, the energy could simply be treated as information, being copied whenever time is changed to form a sort of time river delta. Forward gate paths are preserved at branching points, and backward gates "create" the branching points. This seems to be how most people instinctively view the Chrono universe, anyway, so why not?
Actually, a lot of explanations for theories seem rather convoluted to me...
Why must energy be conserved in R5?
Think about it. In order to account for time, a fourth dimension is usually defined to contain that concept. In order to account for changing time, a fifth dimension could be defined. I originally thought that a sixth dimension could be used to contain TB, but at one point energy is simply destroyed/created. The fact is, a lot of the geometric properties that exist in the three spatial dimensions simply aren't defined in the temporal dimensions. For all intents and purposes, the energy could simply be treated as information, being copied whenever time is changed to form a sort of time river delta. Forward gate paths are preserved at branching points, and backward gates "create" the branching points. This seems to be how most people instinctively view the Chrono universe, anyway, so why not?
Actually, a lot of explanations for theories seem rather convoluted to me...
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Chrono Compendium Discussion / Re: Creation of a Chrono Wiki
« on: June 23, 2008, 10:57:06 pm »
You "authored" the articles and "made them featured"? Such concepts I don't really see existing in a wiki, especially considering the talk and history pages (most != all).
As for the lack of contributions, I suppose the Compendium is too "new" now (being created seven years after Chrono Trigger) to expect such things, lol. Actually, I guess that's sufficient reason not to have a wiki. It seems you're against wikis as a concept (I might be wrong, but I think you gave that impression), which I disagree with for reasons already stated, but I think that's just to be left as a minor thing.
As for the lack of contributions, I suppose the Compendium is too "new" now (being created seven years after Chrono Trigger) to expect such things, lol. Actually, I guess that's sufficient reason not to have a wiki. It seems you're against wikis as a concept (I might be wrong, but I think you gave that impression), which I disagree with for reasons already stated, but I think that's just to be left as a minor thing.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Did Leah see the Green Dragon or the Tyrano?
« on: May 26, 2008, 01:37:10 am »Quote
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Leah.html wrote:
Learning that the Green Dragon resided there (albeit not seeing its form or understanding its identity), she discovered several other monsters. Not long after her arrival, Serge and his party flew in on a Wingapede and met her; she mistook them for messengers from the sky, and asked them if they knew her father. She then told them of the Green Dragon and noted that if one were to thrash the monsters around the island, the Green Dragon would wake up.
Objection!
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Chrono Cross wrote:
Member:
Why's it
so quiet?
Leah:
He come-um!
Leah:
What that!?
*Tyrano appears and is defeated*
Member:
......!?
Leah!
Leah:
Oooga-Booga!!!
Leah not know-um
he here!!!?
Green Dragon:
Silence...
What is all this ruckus...?
Hmm? I see...
Thou seeketh relics?
Come hither...
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Chrono Compendium Discussion / Re: Creation of a Chrono Wiki
« on: May 26, 2008, 01:31:14 am »
It seems this thread has taken a turn, so I'll just leave what I wrote for the original topic at the bottom.
Anyway, I've thought about what people have said about spreading the word. Whenever I go to YouTube, certain themes consistently appear in the Videos Being Watched: Family Guy, NicoNico vids, Naruto, anime fad of the year...
We should seriously try to contact the Japanese community.
The whole point of a wiki is to be editable by everyone. The encyclopedia does not do that. Even the literal translation from Hawaiian is "fast". "Wiki" has nothing to do with the Wikimedia coding.
I'm aware that this also probably eliminates sites like WikiFAQs, but oh, well.
I don't really see how the first two are detrimental at all. The third thing is understandably a common complaint, but I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Heck, the StarCraft Wiki's maintained better than many StarCraft fansites (*cough* sc2armory *cough*). I use academia-related Wikipedia pages all the time.
I just feel that wikis have an undeserved negative reputation, and that calling it a wiki - when by the actual definition it is not - is rather misleading. I think opening it to more users, and not every user, wouldn't hurt. I mean, look at the Chrono pages on Wikipedia.
References and external links would be nice, too. I get really curious as to what got the writer to draw certain conclusions, or where a certain fact came from.
I'm not intentionally antagonizing you, Zeality, but I don't see the logic behind this. You closed it because no one was editing? How does that make sense? The other thing is that the encyclopedia's superiority over anything else that could possibly appear is not entirely due to the work ethic you mentioned, but rather the fact that the encyclopedia is established means that it's EXPECTED to trump everything else.
Besides, "better" is a very subjective thing at some level or another
The encyclopedia is great as it is, but I think improvement is not out of the question at all.
Anyway, I've thought about what people have said about spreading the word. Whenever I go to YouTube, certain themes consistently appear in the Videos Being Watched: Family Guy, NicoNico vids, Naruto, anime fad of the year...
We should seriously try to contact the Japanese community.
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The encyclopedia IS a Wiki. It's closed for quality control.
The whole point of a wiki is to be editable by everyone. The encyclopedia does not do that. Even the literal translation from Hawaiian is "fast". "Wiki" has nothing to do with the Wikimedia coding.
I'm aware that this also probably eliminates sites like WikiFAQs, but oh, well.
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Chrono fans are lucky that the Compendium exists in place of some Chrono wiki. The Compendium grants complete control of information and appearance to us, and supports a unique domain fan site. Anything Wikia is chained to a big network, 99% of the time with the Monobook skin, and open to vandalism and everything else.
I don't really see how the first two are detrimental at all. The third thing is understandably a common complaint, but I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Heck, the StarCraft Wiki's maintained better than many StarCraft fansites (*cough* sc2armory *cough*). I use academia-related Wikipedia pages all the time.
I just feel that wikis have an undeserved negative reputation, and that calling it a wiki - when by the actual definition it is not - is rather misleading. I think opening it to more users, and not every user, wouldn't hurt. I mean, look at the Chrono pages on Wikipedia.
References and external links would be nice, too. I get really curious as to what got the writer to draw certain conclusions, or where a certain fact came from.
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But to make an encyclopedia is like keeping two sets of records for an organization. The Chrono encyclopedia was open for quite some time, and hardly anyone contributed outside KWhazit and Leebot, who did Accessories (Chrono Trigger) and Weapons (Chrono Cross). Only when I finished it myself did we close it off forever because it was obvious that my touch was the only way to get it done.
So whatever other Wiki that exists out there will always, always be inferior to this one. Even if it were an independent project different from the Compendium, if it ever did something better than we do, I would immediately update our own pages to make us better than them in term. That's the "demon workaholic overseer" mentality that Ramsus spoke of and the Compendium motto, "supero omnia". This is all IF anyone contributed to the Wiki, and judging from our own track record and the fact that getting anyone to do anything for a collaborative project in the Chrono community is like pushing a boulder up a hill, any new site or Wiki would probably just sit there in emptiness.
I'm not intentionally antagonizing you, Zeality, but I don't see the logic behind this. You closed it because no one was editing? How does that make sense? The other thing is that the encyclopedia's superiority over anything else that could possibly appear is not entirely due to the work ethic you mentioned, but rather the fact that the encyclopedia is established means that it's EXPECTED to trump everything else.
Besides, "better" is a very subjective thing at some level or another
The encyclopedia is great as it is, but I think improvement is not out of the question at all.
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Submissions / Awesome guitar playing!
« on: May 26, 2008, 12:37:07 am »
Hmm... I didn't know where else to put this. It's not my work, and it's pretty old. However, a quick Google search found no trace of this guy, so I suppose now's a good time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_VVPqIUnU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_VVPqIUnU
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Thoughts on the Time Crash...
« on: May 26, 2008, 12:32:02 am »Quote
Hmm... I wonder if El Nido is supposed to be a play on El Nino (for those of you who no habla espanol, El Nino is Spanish for... ... The Nino!).
You're halfway there. "El Nino" means "little boy", after Jesus, IIRC (not the atom bomb, lol).
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Guardia Line Paradox in Cross?
« on: May 26, 2008, 12:27:05 am »
Thought:
1. The whole point of my post was to make the connection and show that both games exhibit the same "paradox", if people still choose to call it that. I suppose one could get away with saying that "Ayla" might not be the CT Ayla, but either way is stretching something.
2. I'm assuming that the Chrono Cross put everyone in their proper place in the "Ideal" timeline. Or, perhaps, the "land anger" was connected to the Chronopolis stuff somehow, which then ceased to exist.
3. Lucca almost DEFINITELY existed in Home World, as basic arithmetic with people's ages implies that Kid was found BEFORE Serge was bitten. One could argue that the dimensions actually split before then, or that Kid rewound significantly enough to mess up her age (not likely), I guess.
Well, we could count the Green Ambler as well as his counterpart in the Reptite ending of Trigger.
1. The whole point of my post was to make the connection and show that both games exhibit the same "paradox", if people still choose to call it that. I suppose one could get away with saying that "Ayla" might not be the CT Ayla, but either way is stretching something.
2. I'm assuming that the Chrono Cross put everyone in their proper place in the "Ideal" timeline. Or, perhaps, the "land anger" was connected to the Chronopolis stuff somehow, which then ceased to exist.
3. Lucca almost DEFINITELY existed in Home World, as basic arithmetic with people's ages implies that Kid was found BEFORE Serge was bitten. One could argue that the dimensions actually split before then, or that Kid rewound significantly enough to mess up her age (not likely), I guess.
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But do we actually know that no humans existed in the later Reptite timeline? I mean, it's a bit of a stretch but there COULD be...
Well, we could count the Green Ambler as well as his counterpart in the Reptite ending of Trigger.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Guardia Line Paradox in Cross?
« on: May 18, 2008, 06:07:10 pm »
What other cave-person?
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Guardia Line Paradox in Cross?
« on: May 18, 2008, 05:49:09 pm »Glenn was called Frog by Crono & Co. By most everyone else (Cyrus & Leene anyways?) he was referred to as Glenn...and in CC they say that Cross Glenn was named after a hero from the past (i.e. Trigger Glenn).
Well, basically my other suggestion was just that it doesn't create a plot hole because it always happens in the normal flow of time...It's not a great assumption to think that whatever force sent Leah to the future also sent her back.
1. Frog was called Frog in the character profile, which is what I meant. Actually, if Cross specifically states that Glenn is named after a hero from the past, that sort of helps me.
2. All I'm saying is that if we assume that Leah is Ayla's mother (which I suppose isn't exactly the most sound assumption ever, as you've said), then we now have a timeline where Leah never existed (in the "proper" time) to birth Ayla, regardless of whatever comes to send her back "after the adventure".
We could say that ayla is the daughter of leah but then we would have to say that she ends up at 65MBC after the events in CC. Or at least she gives birth to ayla and ayla flies through time some how and ends up at mystic mountain. And if I remember correctly Alya and Kino were both found at mystic mountain not born in 65MBC.
Who's the father?
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Guardia Line Paradox in Cross?
« on: May 17, 2008, 10:20:13 pm »
Um... OK. It seems the tendency to declare victory preemptively is a bit prevalent here. Anyway:
That was my point. This logic is used to try to explain the GLP itself, so perhaps it's not a paradox at all?
Chrono'99 also seemed to make the assumption that "Ayla" referred to the actual Ayla in the Reptite Dimension Key theory in Origin of Leah. (In fact, that article doesn't even consider the possibility of a different Ayla at all.) Indeed, I cannot deny the possibility of it being otherwise, but it doesn't really seem likely to me as Ayla is the in-game name, whereas Glenn was called Frog.
Your other explanation is pretty much saying that nobody knows. As far as I can see, it's still a paradox according to the standards that apparently categorized GLP as a paradox. Maybe GLP shouldn't be considered be a paradox at all. The whole notion of a plot hole is very subjective with such a vague story, anyway.
Plus doesn't the fact that its was 65million years ago make some sort of difference? think about how much one event can change/become pointless if given enough time.
That was my point. This logic is used to try to explain the GLP itself, so perhaps it's not a paradox at all?
Quote from: LeahLand calling-um Leah...
Time Leah go-um home.
Leah already have-um
name for Leah's child.
Big, strong name.
Aylaaaaaa!!!
New song of land!
I don't know if I'd personally say that's a "strong implication" that CT's Ayla is the daughter of Leah...Surely, it's a possibility, but I think you have to consider the possibility that it's just another Glenn-same-name-wink-at-the-fans kind of deal...probably because aside from that all Ayla fans got was the orphanage pic & a kiddie, chibi version of Ayla w/3 similar Techs...
BUT, if you're going to go the route that CT Ayla=Leah's daughter then you have to figure that in both Keystone Timelines that Leah was sent to the future and then made it back to the past. We really just don't know enough about Leah or her circumstances in getting to Gaea's Navel to make any concrete theories...hooray for another brilliant Cross character...?
Chrono'99 also seemed to make the assumption that "Ayla" referred to the actual Ayla in the Reptite Dimension Key theory in Origin of Leah. (In fact, that article doesn't even consider the possibility of a different Ayla at all.) Indeed, I cannot deny the possibility of it being otherwise, but it doesn't really seem likely to me as Ayla is the in-game name, whereas Glenn was called Frog.
Your other explanation is pretty much saying that nobody knows. As far as I can see, it's still a paradox according to the standards that apparently categorized GLP as a paradox. Maybe GLP shouldn't be considered be a paradox at all. The whole notion of a plot hole is very subjective with such a vague story, anyway.
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Thoughts on the Time Crash...
« on: May 17, 2008, 09:23:15 pm »
The site's current stance is that Chronopolis vs Dinopolis happened in 12000 BC, but I haven't been able to find any evidence of this. Ultimania? Honestly, I think the Encyclopedia articles should have references on it like Wikipedia (and I find it pretty strange that a former Wiki DOESN'T have this). It would help to alleviate the huge headache that is navigating this site.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Guardia Line Paradox in Cross?
« on: May 17, 2008, 09:06:47 pm »
I was reading the Guardia Line Paradox mini-article and it hit me: Wouldn't this paradox also apply to Chrono Cross? I mean, people here always seem to be boasting about the alleged single plot hole in Cross, so this seems very, very strange.
See, Leah strongly implies that Ayla is her daughter, and yet there she is in 1020 AD. If Leah disappears from 65M BC, she doesn't mother Ayla, and then Marle ceases to exist, which would probably prevent Chrono Trigger altogether, which would prevent Cross altogether.
See, Leah strongly implies that Ayla is her daughter, and yet there she is in 1020 AD. If Leah disappears from 65M BC, she doesn't mother Ayla, and then Marle ceases to exist, which would probably prevent Chrono Trigger altogether, which would prevent Cross altogether.
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Site Updates / Re: May Mega Update! Cross Models, VC Poll, Trigger Hacks, PLAY!, Fan Stuff
« on: May 17, 2008, 08:46:13 pm »
Hey. Lay off on the Starmen, Z 
Anyway, what exactly qualifies a Chrono Trigger reference to be recognized? It seems like something like, say, this would be just as deserving of recognition:
http://www.dailymotion.com/raocow/video/x4o5ja_vip-4-dirty-bog-agate-thrill-lift-5_videogames
Anyway, what exactly qualifies a Chrono Trigger reference to be recognized? It seems like something like, say, this would be just as deserving of recognition:
http://www.dailymotion.com/raocow/video/x4o5ja_vip-4-dirty-bog-agate-thrill-lift-5_videogames
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