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It was fun video but there are a few issues:

I know that the names of the Gurus are radically different in the Japanese version, so the English names are irrelevant.
I'm not sure if Medina Village is named as such in the Japanese version.
He focuses on Crono not having a father mentioned at all.  Jesus had a virgin mother and a stepfather, but apparently these elements don't matter, so he is cherry picking.
Further still, what about the significance of Lucca's mother being crippled and then she, herself, fixing it?  What about Marle's mother being dead? 
He places emphasis on Schala but none on her stepbrother, Janus (Magus).

Lavos as Wormwood is clever.  He actually missed the fact that the Ioka village woman mentions that the sweet water isn't sweet anymore, which coincides with Wormwood making the water bitter.

Even still, Lavos is directly stated as a being that evolved itself over time.  Evolution in a Christian story retelling?

Crono's sacrifice compared to Jesus's sacrifice is reaching at best.

Crono is the main character of the story - his death would be a powerful event to the player and time travel would allow us to find a way to get him back - it just makes sense for the game to go in that direction.

We humans are pattern-seeking creatures.  In this video, he finds what fits and completely ignores all of the other events that do not fit.

If I really wanted to, I could compare Magus's search for Lavos with Captain Ahab's search for Moby Dick.  I could point out several similarities in their logic, the sacrifices they were willing to make and it would all seem to make sense because I would be cherry picking the details I like while ignoring the ones that don't fit.

Hell, I could compare Chrono Trigger to Dragon Ball Z (both have character designs by Toriyama) and say that Sir Cyrus is Goku and Glenn (Frog) is Gohan and that Magus is Cell.  We can make many stories or parts of stories fit into anything, really.

Cool vid, though.

Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Possible solution to the Marle Paradox
« on: November 21, 2013, 03:14:11 am »
I like this idea, it is simple and it doesn't add too much speculation.  Essentially, your causality ends when you reach The End of Time.

The issue is that this leads to the Magus Paradox.  Marle vanished either because Leene's rescue was called off or because Frog was supposed to have literally saved Leene at the time Marle vanished. 

What about Magus? When his manner of defeat was changed in 600AD thanks to Melchior's reforging of the Masamune in 1000AD, Magus was sent to 12000BC, where he convinced Queen Zeal to banish the Gurus.  Melchior was imprisoned on Mt. Woe.  If he is imprisoned on Mt. Woe when the Mammon Machine becomes operational inside the Ocean Palace, then he can't be there (or have someone else, like Crono) pierce it with the Ruby Knife.  We know that this must happen because the Ruby Knife becomes the Masamune when it interacts with the Mammon Machine and we see the Masamune in 600AD before we see the events of the Ocean Palace in-game.

No Melchior, no Ruby Knife, no Masamune.  We know that the Ruby Knife being placed into the Mammon Machine makes it go haywire and disturb Lavos as a result.  Lavos appears, banishes the Gurus throughout time, along with Janus.  No haywire Mammon Machine, no Lavos appearance, no Janus (young Magus) banishment.  Following TTI, this wouldn't effect Prophet Magus, but would subject Janus to Time Bastard at the moment Janus was supposed to have time traveled.

But, going along with your idea: Magus, who has NOT been to The End of Time, would be the problem.  His existence wouldn't make sense from the moment he convinced Queen Zeal to imprison Melchior on Mt. Woe, so he should have vanished right then as Marle did when her ancestor's rescue was called off.

Pointing out a problem without offering a solution, however, wouldn't be professional (haha).  What if Crono and Co. time traveling to 12,000 BC "corrected" the paradox?  65million BC is obviously before 12000BC, so the Magus Paradox would not affect it.  We know that Crono and Co. are offered direct access to 12000BC from 65million BC.  We also know that the gates "age" - meaning that if you go from the present to the past and spend 1 hour there, you will find that 1 hour has passed in the present when you return.  Finally, we know that by the time we get to 12000BC, Magus already has a foothold there as a trusted Prophet of Queen Zeal.  Therefore, we can reasonably assume that Magus did all of his Prophet dirty work while we were messing around with the Reptites in 65million BC. 

As I said before, Magus appears, convinces Queen to banish Gurus - leading to: no Melchior, no Ruby Knife, no Masamune, no haywire Mammon Machine, no Lavos disturbance, no sending Janus to 600AD. 

But as soon as Crono and Co. appear, having had met Melchior already in 1000AD, their rescue of him becomes guaranteed, which allows Melchior to give Crono the Ruby Knife, and on and on until the Janus-enters-gate event is restored, thus re-justifying Prophet Magus's existence.

To summarize: Marle appears, rescue party for Leene dissolves, Marle vanishes with it, Crono and Lucca appear, rescue the Queen, Marle makes sense again.

Magus appears, rescue party for Melchior is now required but lacking, Magus vanishes. Crono appears, rescue party for Melchior has arrived, Magus makes sense again.

But why would Magus be able to reappear just because Crono and Co. were eventually going to save Melchior?  Marle didn't reappear when Crono and Lucca decided to rescue Leene - it doesn't seem to make sense.

Unfortunately, here is where the similarities between the Marle Paradox and the possible Magus Paradox end.  Marle's disappearance itself was the motivator for Crono and Lucca to save Leene.  If Marle reappears, Lucca assumes the Queen must be fine and they decide to go back home, then Marle disappears again.  They decide again to find the Queen, Marle reappears, they decide to go home and then Marle disappears again, and so on and so forth until they figure it out. 

Magus would disappear because he suggested Melchior's banishment to Queen Zeal.  Crono and Co. would arrive in a world where the Guru's rescue would be an eventuality, given Magus's advice to Queen Zeal that was carried out before our heroes even arrived in 12,000BC.  So, there is no bouncing back and forth between results like there is with Marle's situation.  Additionally, we know from Marle's example that disappearing due to an apparent paradox does not instantly erase everyone's memories of you (Magus's effect on 12,000BC would be seen by Crono even if Magus forced himself into a paradox just before their arrival and everyone in Zeal Kingdom would remember his presence there.)
And again, we are given direct access to 12000BC from the prehistoric era in the game without needing to travel ahead first to see the results of Magus's horrid miscalculation (Magus and the Gurus time travel event not happening would render much of Crono and Co.'s adventure impossible - which doesn't threaten them at all because they have been to the EoT and, by your idea, have had their causality strings severed.)


Zeno's Theory:  No TTI before EoT visit.

Possible Problem:

Magus to 12000BC --> Melchior imprisoned, no Ruby Knife in Mammon Machine, no Lavos disturbance, Janus to 600AD interrupted.
If no Janus 600AD travel and Prophet Magus no TTI --> Marle Paradox-like Magus Paradox occurs

Possible Solution:

Magus to 12,000BC at Time X, becomes Prophet Magus and orders Melchior imprisoned at Time X+1, Prophet Magus vanishes
Crono to 12,000BC at Time (X+1) + N, is assumed to eventually free Melchior --> Prophet Magus reinstated

I had always thought of this as early evidence of the Entity's existence. She got warped away to a place outside of time (perhaps somewhere around The End of Time without all of the blocks and lights and buckets that Gaspar made, or even the Darkness Beyond Time, which is explained in Chrono Cross) in a gambit by the Entity to inspire her friends to not only search after her, but to further meddle with time, and defeat Lavos. The incident had led to Crono being tried or kidnapping, the subsequent jailbreak, and then managing to happen upon the one particular Gate available that would take them to the future and convince them that they need to fix things.

It is, admittedly, a pretty big gamble, but there have been bigger ones that work just fine.

I have always favored Entity-centered approaches to the game because they give the Entity a larger role - one that is finally acknowledged when the group finally sits down in the forest and ponders what could be causing all of this.  The problem with that approach is that we are basically given a free pass to spout "The Entity did it!" whenever we cannot explain a phenomenon in the game.  Marle describes her experience as being "cold, dark and lonely" which certainly meshes well with what we see the Darkness Beyond Time to be in Chrono Cross, but "The Entity did it!" should not be an acceptable answer to the problems we find with the logic of the plot.  It is fine to say that the Entity did indeed do these things, but we should focus on why they are able to happen - not on the supposed whims of some supernatural being pressing a big red button.  That is why I decided to post this idea.  I know that it is a forced approach (TTI, TB and TE are sound ways of explaining events throughout the game while this is more isolated) and that it will take me some time to find another situation where it could apply or explain something in-game, but at least it gives logic a chance to prevail, or at least explain, the Entity's desires.
Thank you for your input, Manly Man!   :)


Hey everyone!  It has been awhile.  I've thought about the Marle Paradox recently, so here is my latest effort to tackle it (after failing to do so with my Dreamline and Time X ideas.)  It isn't fully fleshed out - just something that hit me earlier today.  I'd like to submit it now for review, even though it is in its infancy and I haven't fully checked it for conflicts that arise later in the game if it is applied.  Basically, I took the Dreamline viewpoint that values perspective, removed the Entity from it and focused on the characters that we play as in-game.  The only issue I know of is that this idea (which hopefully isn't similar to other ideas presented recently, I haven't read up on everything - sorry if it is) is pretty much created with the sole intention of resolving the Marle Paradox, without influencing other events in the game - making it feel kind of forced.  Any feedback is appreciated - thanks!

Time Traveler Synchronization

For all time travelers passing through a gate, the receiving era is synced to their experience, creating a tangent worldline that only grants them Time Traveler Immunity and discards Time Traveler Immunity previously granted to all time travelers on the parent worldline.  If another time traveler enters the same era AFTER the arrival of the time traveler who created the tangent worldline, TTI is granted to them as well, from the perspective of the tangent catalyst.

In the game, we play from the perspective of Crono being the tangent catalyst because we first view 600AD (the receiving era) from his perspective and there are no breaks during his stay there.

First Time Travel Event:  Marle Perspective 1000AD – 600AD:

Marle takes the gate in Leene Square from 1000AD to 600AD.  There, she is mistaken for her kidnapped ancestor, Queen Leene, and is taken by the guards to the castle.  Soon after, Crono shows up and Marle reveals her true identity to him.  (Reasonable speculation follows.)  Lucca arrives in 600AD, runs up to the Queen's quarters, discovers that Crono is there with Marle, and confirms her suspicion, as stated in the game, that Marle is really Princess Nadia.  Lucca notes that someone was supposed to have saved the real Queen, but that may no longer happen because everyone assumes that Marle is the Queen.  Lucca suggests that she and Crono go and search for the real Queen, knowing that Marle would not be able to leave the castle.  The two discover the hairpin with Guardia’s royal crest in the cathedral, are ambushed by Mystics, meet with Frog, kill Yakra and save the real Queen and the Chancellor.  After being thanked back at the castle, Crono, Lucca and Marle say their goodbyes and return to 1000AD.

Second Time Travel Event:  Crono Perspective 1000AD – 600AD:

Crono follows Marle through the gate in Leene Square from 1000AD to 600AD.  When he arrives at the castle, Marle reveals that she is truly Princess Nadia.  After a brief discussion, she vanishes from existence due to a variant of the Grandfather Paradox that is satisfied by circumstances not made expressly clear in the game.  Unsure of what to do, he descends to the hallway adjacent to the throne room and runs into Lucca, who explains that Princess Nadia vanished because her ancestor, Queen Leene, was supposed to have been rescued but never was.  She suggests searching for the real Queen and the two head to the cathedral, where they find a hairpin with Guardia’s royal crest.  They are ambushed by Mystics and meet Frog, who aids them in killing Yakra and saving the real Queen and the Chancellor.  After arriving back at the castle, they discover that Marle has reappeared in the Queen's quarters due to the variant Grandfather Paradox's issues being resolved.  After being thanked for their daring rescue, Crono, Lucca and Marle say their goodbyes and return to 1000AD.

Third Time Travel Event:  Lucca Perspective 1000AD – 600AD:

Note: Unless one of Crono’s ancestors (perhaps a guard taken prisoner in the cathedral) is threatened, there is no reason to believe that Lucca’s account would differ significantly from Crono’s account above.


Marle Perspective:

Marle travels 600AD --> new worldline created/Marle granted TTI --> Crono travels 600AD (Marle worldline)/Crono granted TTI --> Lucca travels 600AD (Marle worldline)/Lucca granted TTI

Crono Perspective:

Crono travels 600AD --> new worldline created/Crono granted TTI --> Lucca travels 600AD (Crono worldline)/Lucca granted TTI

Lucca Perspective:

Lucca travels 600AD --> new worldline created/Lucca granted TTI

In-game Experience:

In the game, we view the event dubbed the “Marle Paradox" from Crono’s perspective.  If Time Traveler Synchronization (TTS) is observed, Crono, by default, is granted TTI and Lucca is granted TTI upon arrival.  Marle is unfortunately part of Crono’s synchronized arrival and her TTI granted by her travel event is discarded.  In other words, Marle is subject to causality from Crono’s perspective because she isn't granted immunity from her prior time travel event – she is both a part of 600AD and dependent upon events that occur there.  Though there is more than one way this story could have gone, all perspectives can be reasonably seen to lead to the same conclusion: the real Queen is saved and our three heroes from 1000AD return home.

Additional Note:

This is meant to explain why Marle is able to disappear at all - not necessarily what made her disappear and why it happened when it did.  Hopefully, with more discussion, we can work that part out and get this game that much closer to having a completely consistent approach to time travel.  Thanks for reading!

Towards the end when everyone is bidding farewell, Marle asks Lucca if she isn't gonna say goodbye to Robo. Lucca replies back saying that they changed the future when they killed Lavos and as a result Robo mayn't be built in the future and may cease to exist.

Here's what I don't understand : Robo was still alive after they killed Lavos. Not just in 1000 AD but in the end of time as well (The three players who defeat Lavos would of course have to come back to End of time and inform everyone the good news) so why was Lucca worried about Robo ceasing to exist when he clearly exists even during end of time (which is needless to say after 2300 AD). Is there any particular time travel concept I'm missing here?

This never bugged me when I played the game years back. And this particular scene always made me tear up but now when I think about this it feels kind of awkward D:

Would be glad if someone could demystify this for me!!! :)

First, we can say that Lucca's judgement is compromised because Robo is her friend and she cares for "him" deeply.  She fears that when he takes the gate back to his time that he will "cease to be" because the saved future might not include robots like him.  We know from other situations in the game that she is wrong - Robo has Time Traveler Immunity and is unable to be overwritten by whatever changes to the future come to be.  The ending, in fact, shows that Robo is alive and well and is even reunited with his "sister."  Since we killed her in the game, this gives the impression that Robo's kind exist in the new future and, due to Time Bastard, the Robo we are familiar with, after traveling to this future, probably replaced "new future Robo." 

Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Armageddon-Branch Theory Question
« on: December 10, 2012, 05:58:28 pm »
Thank you. I thought it was a pretty great question as well, lol. Oh, that's right. In this series, a timeline cannot simply exist due to the possibility that it can change. Actually what you said makes perfect sense. Crono and Co.'s time travel put them in futures where Serge was still dead. So when Serge lived and created the Home World, Crono was unaffected by it because they were in the future and that doesn't carry over to the Home World. So in a way it's like what I stated earlier with Home World's future being wiped clean. Alright, that makes perfect sense, Thanks. I always thought a second version of Crono would exist in the Home world after Serge lived. I mean there were second versions of most of the other characters. So it was a little confusing at first. So we now know that 1999 and 2300 where Crono was were unaffected by the dimensional split and that their actions didn't carry over into the Home World. However that still doesn't explain my other question of what happened to the Crono in the carbon copy past of the Home World. Let's say someone in the Home World were to look at a history book and Crono was in it. He or she would read that Crono time traveled. But since we've established that the original time travel doesn't carry over to the Home World, would the carbon copy past Crono disappear from the world all together?

The history books would say that Crono time traveled and, if the crew told scholars exactly what happened, would talk about his awesome exploits in 1999AD and 2300AD.  There would be a record of a great celebration at Leene's Square and everything.  Crono's appearance back in 1000AD after everything is said and done is still protected under Time Traveler's Immunity (TTI.)  That being said, those adventures in the future don't ever actually come to pass in Home World because all of Crono's adventures took place in Another World, before the dimensional split.  There is no carbon copy of Crono in the Home World that ever makes it to 1999AD or 2300AD.   As far as the both Home and Another World are concerned, the adventure took place - but the effects of their adventure in the future never transpire in Home World because Crono and Co. never actually appear there to do anything.

Remember: Despite the fact that Crono and Co. defeat Lavos in 1999AD (some argue earlier,) we still see the ruined future in 2300AD until Lavos is ACTUALLY defeated.  So, until the dimensional split in 1010AD ACTUALLY happens, there is only one group of adventurers who actually show up in the future at all - in Another World.  Home World is essentially left for dead.

Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Armageddon-Branch Theory Question
« on: December 06, 2012, 10:20:20 pm »
I love the Chrono Series. Well Chrono Cross to be specific. Chrono Cross is my favorite RPG. I never played Chrono Trigger because as a kid I stuck with Sega and then moved onto Sony. So I never really played a lot of Nintendo games, except for the Gameboy, lol. Anyway, one of the things that always bothered me about Chrono Cross is how exactly Serge caused the destruction of the future in the Dead Sea. So thank goodness I found this awesome site. :) Reading through the Armageddon-Branch Theory, most of it makes sense to me. Naturally Crono would only be limited to time traveling in Another world. He doesn't have the power to cross the dimension to the Home world. Also, when the Home world was created in 1010 A.D. I agree that it would have made a carbon copy of the past because before that moment, nothing changed in the timeline. Now I'll assume that Crono was not present in Another world between the years 1000 A.D. and 1010 A.D. because of all his time traveling. So when Serge was saved in 1010, a new world was created without Crono because he was missing and the future had changed. Basically from 1010 onward the future was wiped clean in a sense. All seems to make sense so far.

Now here's where the problem comes in for me. We've already established that prior to 1010 A.D. in the Home world there is a carbon copy of Another world's past. Well since that's true, Crono would also exist in the Home world prior to 1000 A.D. Obviously he was born before the year 1000 and would live up until that year. So then when the year 1000 comes, would he just disappear from the world because he wasn't present between 1000 and 1010 in Another world? This is the only explanation I can think of because obviously the Home world's future after 1010 had to completely change. Otherwise there would have been a second version of Crono running around the Home world in various years and the future wouldn't have been destroyed.

So that's really my only problem with the theory. Beyond that, it makes perfect sense, lol. Any thoughts?

Great question.  First, what you have to remember is that the Chrono series is amazing about the fact that, in its universe, "nothing happens until it happens."  Crono and Co.'s time travel exploits began in the year 1000AD in what came to be known as Another World, "before" Serge lived and caused the dimensions to split.  Time travel events do not carry over to newly made dimensions, so, in Home World, all of that snazzy time traveling action done by Crono after the moment Serge lived (everything in 1999AD and 2300AD) never happened.  In Home World, the future was not saved.  I'm a little tired right now, haha, so if you need me to explain further, let me know.  =)

General Discussion / Re: Do You Believe in "God"?
« on: October 01, 2012, 01:14:21 am »
Personally, I do not believe in a God - but many of my friends and people I also know on facebook have a very, and disturbingly "hard atheist" stance on the issue.   

I define "Hard Atheist" as one who rejects the notion of a creator because scientific evidence lacks such a conclusion or that scientific evidence shows that a creator is not needed.

I place myself in the "Soft Atheist" category which I define as one who does not accept the notion of a creator because scientific evidence lacks such a conclusion or that scientific evidence shows that a creator is not needed.

They appear to be the same, but the difference is staggering, in my opinion.   The hard atheist sees that the typical creator model does not appear to apply to our understanding of the universe, so it must be false.

The soft atheist sees that the typical creator model does not appear to apply to our understanding of the universe, so the existence of a creator has yet to be determined.  This is different from an "agnostic" point of view because the soft atheist does not believe that a creator is possible, though not understood, nor does the soft atheist believe that a creator is possible simply for the sake of considering the possibility.  I guess both the agnostic point of view and the soft atheist point of view seem so similar, but the nuance is totally different.

So my answer is no, but really it is: I don't know and maybe I'll know later - or not.   =)

Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Marle Paradox, Simple Analysis
« on: August 27, 2012, 10:47:58 pm »
His intent is enough to effect reality as far as Marle's existence is concerned, partly because Crono and Lucca (and everyone else) are unaware of what has happened.  In fact, the entire future of the year 1000 is effectively erased when Yakra makes his decision.  The reason why Crono and Lucca do not disappear with the obliteration of their timeline is because they are destined (or potentially destined) to figure out what has happened to the real Queen Leene and rescue her before she is killed.  (I don't use the time-traveler's immunity device here.)  But Marle doesn't actually return to existence until the moment when Queen Leene's safety is fully assured.  Crono and Lucca's intent is not enough.  While this brings up questions of causality and intent, and even predestination, I prefer to present things in a way where the choices of our heroes matter, and that they can actually fail if they make a bad choice or are not skilled enough to survive the dangers they face.

I think the difference between Yakra's intent to kill the Queen and Crono's intent to save the Queen is that Yakra actually knows where she is and is reasonably able to kill her - Crono and Lucca might intend to save the Queen, but they don't know where she is nor do they have the battlepower to do so without Frog's involvement.  So, I could understand if Yakra's intent is the deciding factor for Marle's existence but Crono and Lucca's "let's save her, yay!" attitude isn't enough to change anything until the Queen makes it back safely.

This is a pretty interesting topic!  =)   Here is my opinion on how the original timeline went, just for funsies:

1.  The Mystics destroy Zenan Bridge (as is mentioned in the game.)
2.  Frog (alone or with Guardia soldiers) saves Queen Leene.
3.  The Mystics ravage the southern continent, creating a desert.
4.  Guardia repairs the bridge.
5.  Ozzie attacks the bridge with soldiers created through necromancy, humans barely hold off/ Ozzie retreats after he deals significant damage.
6.  Magus attempts to summon Lavos through a ritual.  He is successful but creates a giant gate that engulfs his castle
7.  Magus, Ozzie, Flea, Slash, the castle and the army inside are scattered throughout time or doomed to face Lavos. ***
8.  With all command and control gone, the remaining Mystic army collapses.
9.  Those that remain form Medina.
10.  Tensions/grudges remain - some Mystics get over it.

*** If Ozzie was killed he must have had offspring beforehand (same for Yakra, as we see).  If he was sent through time he was probably sent 100-200 years in the future and perhaps founded Medina as a collective. (His offspring is the leader of the Mystics in 1000AD - but that is only Ozzie the VIII and we see that Yakra's offspring is Yakra XIII.   Different lifespan or time travel? who knows.)

      If Magus was sent back to 12000BC as we see in the new timeline - the events of the Ocean Palace would have been different.  Melchior would have been imprisoned on Mt. Woe and probably never freed.  The Mammon Machine would never have been overloaded by the Ruby Knife, so Lavos probably awoke sometime later, when much more of its energy had been sapped.  Since the Ocean Palace did not rise to become the Black Omen, the Queen would not have been in the Ocean Palace at the time of Lavos's awakening in this timeline - she would have died in the attack/survived and integrated with the Earthbound Ones eventually.

That's my take on it.

Hey, this is my first post. Nice to meet everybody.

I've recently regained interest in Chrono Cross and have been doing extensive research on the game (though I'm having a lot of trouble understanding certain aspects due to the language used on this site. Ex. The Dead Sea).

There is one part in particular that I would like some clarification on... Based on what I've read here, because Serge's existence in Home World means that Crono and his team never fought or discovered Lavos because they technically didn't exist to begin with, wouldn't that also mean that Lavos never existed? I mean, if everything that occurred before the year 1010 A.D is just a carbon copy of the past, wouldn't that also suggest that the story of Lavos would only exist in history texts, but couldn't happen?

I've looked on this site for an answer, but am not finding anything that explains this. Any help on this subject would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Hello and welcome!  I was once a very active user on this site and have very recently returned - so my knowledge on some the finer details on the series has since diminished but I will give the best answer I can. Hopefully others will be able to elaborate better.

First of all, time has a funny way of working in the Chrono Trigger/Cross universe.  To answer a part of your question directly, Serge's life being saved by Kid and the dimensional split because of it that followed did not render Crono and Co. or Lavos to no longer exist.  To understand what happened we have to look at how time operates in the Cronoverse.

Events of the games suggest that before a single time travel event can change the course of history, the entire timeline plays out.  For example:

In Chrono Trigger, though the group would eventually save 2300AD from becoming a barren wasteland due the the destruction of 1999AD, until it that act is performed by the group, they still see a ruined 2300AD when they first visit.    Originally, Belthasar, when sent to the far future by Lavos, encounters the ruined 2300AD and builds the Epoch, eventually loses his mind and passes away soon after.   Once Crono and Co. ACTUALLY save the future, the timeline plays out all the way through and Belthasar now ends up in the saved 2300AD where he builds Chronopolis.  Then, through faulty experimentation, Chronopolis is sent back in time - the planet balances this by introducing Dinopolis and their war occurs.  The timeline plays out through all the events that follow and Serge is killed.  Now the timeline continues, Belthasar again appears in 2300AD, the same faulty experiment occurs but this time, after arriving in the past, Belthasar, as part of his plan, saves Serge by having Kid go back in time and rescue him. 

The reason for this (as I recall) is that the Lavos from 1999AD (or beyond, depending on the era in which he was killed) that was stopped from completing its plan due to Crono and Co. defeating it was sent to the Darkness Beyond Time  -  and pulled Schala from the Ocean Palace incident with it. Belthasar recognized the threat and created this whole plan to stop all of space-time from being consumed by the forming Time Devourer.

So, now that we have that down, I can answer your question.  In Crono Cross, Another World is the dimension where Crono and Co. appear in the future, witness Lavos destroying the world, and vow to stop him.  In the final iteration of the timeline for Home World, where Serge is saved and a separate dimension begins, Crono and Co. never appear in 1999AD to stop Lavos.  Remember that only the Crono and Co. from one dimension did all the work in the first game.  Once another dimension was created, all time travel from that point after is negated. 

You may be asking "well if that is true, how did Belthasar appear in the future in Home world?"   I guess the truth would be that he never did, but Chronopolis still appeared in the past many many years before Serge's life or death scenario, so the effects of Chronopolis/Dinopolis on both timelines is kept intact. 

^ Hope that helps and wasn't too wordy.  There may be some errors because, like I said, my knowledge of the games, especially Cross, is much weaker these days.    If you have more questions about the games and why events occur the way they do, always ask!  We need more people asking big questions here  =)

Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Crazy End of Time Theory?
« on: August 20, 2012, 12:22:50 am »
To be honest, I had always assumed that the End of Time, as we see it, is not Gaspar's creation at all, but Spekkio's.  "All life begins and ends with Nu" as they say.   Recall that you can warp to different locations in 3D space via gates - not just one location per timeline.   Gaspar probably warped into an area of nothingness and wandered upon Spekkio's last bastion of existence. If all life ends with Nu, as is stated in the game in the Zeal Kingdom, then Spekkio, whose final form is a Nu, would be the most sensible last being alive.

Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Marle Paradox, Simple Analysis
« on: August 20, 2012, 12:13:49 am »
Well, I've said my peace on this matter in the very old thread I posted before (at least for now) - but I'm glad people are still asking the big questions about events in the Cronoverse.  It seems like, for awhile, that all vanished.  Keep it up guys!  =)

Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Re: No Control Experiments
« on: May 09, 2011, 01:01:10 pm »
Ramsus is correct.  Lavos waits until none can challenge him and then arises.  This is shown by merely looking at the ruined future of 2300AD.  What it didn't count on was the actions of the Entity at the last second, summoning would-be heroes from across time, imbued with the very magical powers that it feared. 

Welcome / Birthday / Seeya! Forum / Re: Long time no see.
« on: November 20, 2010, 11:43:02 am »
Ah, I think I remember you.... then again I havent made a post for like a year or so  -  so I've missed alot   =P

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