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Chrono Trigger DS Analysis / Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong

« on: November 20, 2008, 03:16:10 am »

No need to jump to unnecessary conclusions. I'm currently rushing through the game to pick up the changes. And yes, Ozzie is still Ozzie, Slash is still Slash, etc. None of the boss names have been changed, so far.

uhhh... what about Flea? Why would you intentionally skip mentioning him?
My one fear with this release was that they would somehow end up completely messing up his true nature because of a poor translation, and what do I discover....
They actually included the FUCKING Time Devourer into the game!!

I sure hope to god this does not means what I think it means....
GOD!!

Why hasn't anyone found out more info on that pic yet!!??
Is it a matter of anyone not wanting further spoiling....?

Who is this 'mysterious' person who upped the pic, in the first place...?

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Polling / Re: If you had to...

« on: October 29, 2008, 09:22:31 pm »

Magus, although he was essential for the plot, he just sucked in general for me...Even at max lvl, all techs, max stats.  He's just blah.

Quoted For Truth

Not only that, but the game actually gives you this option (by having Frog kill him).

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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Lavos and Guardian (boss) paradox?

« on: June 21, 2008, 01:40:22 pm »

Okay I think it's time that we finally settle on wether this so called Pocket Dimension theory is a flawed or a legitimate theory...

Facts:
- Lavos appears in 12000 B.C. after the Black Omen is beaten (point I on my diagram).
- If the party defeated Lavos's shell earlier in the game, Lavos will be without shell (well, without "head" more precisely) there.

Issue:
- According to the Pocket Dimension theory and the Time Error principle, Lavos shouldn't even be able to appear in 12000 B.C. after the Black Omen, since his Pocket Dimension has already been dissolved at point D. He also never appeared at that date in the original timeline (no Black Omen back then).

Well, there you have it.... all the facts that any theory trying to resolve this issue should be based upon and the issue that the Pocket Dimension theory has since been presentend with.

However, there is something wrong with the stated issue. Lavos may not have been able to appear in 12000bc through the Black Omen (as there simply never was a Black Omen in that timeline), but did, very much so, appeared during the Ocean Palace disater in the original timeline.

Flawed solution (in case you're wondering):
- Perhaps Lavos simply never dissolved his PD? He wouldn't have exited it in 1999 A.D. and continued to live within it on Death Peak. This doesn't work, because even if Lavos didn't exit his PD at point D, his Destruction Rain would still have exited it, and thus the Rain would still appear in 1999 A.D. at point J, destroying the world.

How does something like that even work, exactly? How in hell does Lavos just never exits his Pocket Dimension and yet "continued to live within it on Death Peak"? As for the Destruction Rain form the Heavens, I am forced to raise a similiar objection to it. How in heavens name is the Destruction Rain allowed to leave that dimension's realm of existence? I was under the impression that a Pocket Dimension should be considered exactly as such, a completely different plane of existence that shouldn't be even able to manifest its presence physically unto that of any of the other regular dimensions, with a different time flow principle altogether. How does that rain, specifcally, not fall anywhere but inside of the actual Pocket Dimension?

It's complicated, so let's consider the second diagram, which corresponds to what the game should be if we discard the Pocket Dimension theory. Lavos would be a normal inhabitant of the timeline and the Apocalypse a normal event of history rather than the result of him entering the timeline from somewhere else (a Pocket Dimension). Surprisingly, the diagram is heavily simplified in this scenario (I kept the same letters for consistency).

Yes, it s. Very much so, I would say. Everything is incredibly much more simplified if we take the other theory's statements and go with them. If we ditch the Pocket Dimension theory, however, several other 'issues' are bound to be presented to us. Like, for instance, the issue with the 'missing head', that the actual theory was initially created for. Let us try and take care of all problems, and settle once and for all on the most viable theory, then.

In this no-PD scenario, the only issue is how Lavos loses his head in 12000 B.C. after the Black Omen if you had destroyed it in 1999 A.D. (this unique issue was the reason the PD theory was imagined initially). Well, a possible solution is that this 12000 B.C. Lavos is the 1999 A.D. one time-traveling to the past. This solution was already mentioned in this thread, but it's really less farfetched and more simple with the PD theory taken out. Seeing how Lavos can time-warp people and his Core can create weird time-warping vortex effects, Lavos can probably time-travel himself. This would even explain why the Ocean Palace Lavos always has its head regardless of what you do to him in 1999 A.D. (the OP Lavos would simply be the past version of the 1999 A.D. one).

Yes. Like you said, a very plausible solution to the head problem, within this theory, would be to have the Lavos from 1999ad time traveling to past, to the actual point in time at which the party decided to confront him (which according the game's canon, should be done in 12000bc). Nicely, this takes care of almost all problems for us. As this theory, does in fact, take into account the fact that he could very well be confronted in any of the other time periods as well (with the exception of 2300ad). This also deals with the problem of the 'ever-present' undestroyable head that Lavos has during the Ocean Palace incident. If the Pocket Dimension theory was initially created to solve a 'missing-head' kind of issue to begin with, why can't this other theory be considered a more plausible and legitimate one, when it effectively solves another 'head-related' issue, that wasn't even its focus in the first place?

We can leave it this way: Lavos is defeated in 12000 B.C. No paradox, no unresolvable issue. It works, I think.

As for what to do with the Armageddon-Branch theory, we'll discuss that in another thread because there's probably too much stuff here already (I hope this post made sense).

Yes, it works. Perfectly in accordance with Chrono Cross, as well. As for what the actual Armageddon-Branch theory's status is concerned, I thought it had been discarded as a legitimate one already, because of some other unrelated issues with the Pocket Dimension theory were found. I could be wrong on that, however.

EDIT: Actually, the "flawed" solution can work if we say that exiting a Pocket Dimension doesn't grant Time Traveler's Immunity (alpha's suggestion of existing both "in and out of time"), and that Lavos created his PD at point B (like V_Translanka once suggested). Thus his defeat in the PD would prevent the Apocalypse, but not the Fall of Zeal which was caused by a non-PD Lavos. Thoughts?

Okay, and now for your suggestions to actually fix and salvage the much regarded 'Pocket Dimension' theory. First of all, this is assuming way too much stuff in the first place already, that was never even stated in the game (should not even be considered canon). This is problematic, not only for the fact that theories should only be based on as much sound and solid in-game evidence to be viable; but also as a result of it making further assumptions basing itself from these things.

The potential problems I see with making these further assumptions for the theory are as follows:
Why would exiting a Pocket Dimension, not grant Time Traveler's Immunity? This would effectively establish an exception to the TTI Theory itself, and would thus put in jeopardy (if left unexplained correctly) its validity as a theory itself. Indeed, if exiting a Pocket Dimension wouldn't grant Time Traveler's Immunity more problems would be raised than those that it is actually alleged to solve.

As alpha mentioned previously in the thread, a valid objection to this further assumption would be that you can actually still very much go to 2300ad, after having defeated Lavos' 'shell' during 1999ad. You can still watch the Day of Lavos video, and can in fact perfectly see the Destruction Rain falling nto the world. The only explanation offered was that 'destroying' his actual 'shell' wouldn't stop the rain from happening, as another part of Lavos is indeed, still alive and well inside.
Now, considering that the actual rain is spread from his 'shell' and the fact that the only time in which he actually uses this ability against the party is during that fight, I wouldn't think for him to still be able to call upon it after his shell has been defeated.

As for some of the other problems that I noticed, I don't think that the 'creation' of a Pocket Dimension at specific strategic points during the timeline would 'fly' with what the current explanations of what a 'pocket' dimension actually is and how they work at all.

The only other problem left in my mind, would be to come up with a plausible explanation of how then, did Lavos managed to get the Darkness Beyond Time, upon its defeat at the hands of Crono and Co.? I could offer a very simple solution to this. Lavos, being somewhat of a Time-controlling entity (as is demonstrated by the fact that he was the one to send the Gurus and Janus on a 'trip' through the timeline), actually made a 'special' kind of gate for himself, that was more like a 'dimensional-vortex', where he would be able to have a more 'complete' control over all of Time itself. Thus, he shunted himself to the Darkness Beyond Time... where upon all discarded Timelines are sent to, grabbing Shcala (who was near the Mammon Machine, that had a part of his being inside of it, i.e. The Frozen Flame) along in the process, for the simple fact that she was very close to another part of him.

Any problems left? 

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Crono Foreshadowing

« on: June 21, 2008, 01:34:15 am »

"Lavos reigns atop death peak" could refer to the Lavos spawn, as, they could also be considered "Lavos"

How do we know there are only 3 or 4 lavoids, there could theoretically be one for every one of those fire jets lavos spews in the 1999 clip... My point is, Lavos could have been done degesting in 1999 and decided to leave, bursting from the ground launching little lavos-missiles (each of which presumably to wander around and grow until its big enough to make space jump) and leaves the planet.

Now, wouldn't that paint a portrait of a parasite, leaving hundreds of its own spawn in its wake?

Indeed. The point of the matter seems to solely rely on the fact that we have no idea whatsoever, how in hell did Lavos exactly 'created' his little mini-me's. There is however, in-game evidence that they are in fact just that: a parasites' spawn.
However, it is not entirely conclusive, I would say. And yes, there could be more than just 3 o 4 (if you count the one inside the Black Omen as a legit one). That would actually seem to be the case if they are indeed just mulitple replicas of the original 'version' of this so called 'planet parasite'. However, if they are instead some kind of offspring... I wouldn't think for there to actually be more.

Well there are the theories that Lavos actually IS Death Peak. Like underneath the snow and ice, Lavos rests. See I think it could be a viable explanation, judging by where on the continent he emerges in 1999, and by that amount of time with the cold, ruined atmosphere, tons of ash and dust could have settled on its shell.

I don't think so. Not according to any evidence the game provides us. Lavos emerges on the northern Zenan continent (according to the visual recording of the 'Day of Lavos' found at Arris Dome). Also, the game's sprites by mere comparison, are starkly different in size to even consider this as viable theory at all...

Well, for what my thought's worth, I don't think anybody would deny that Lavos is/was a parasite. Though you do have to wonder about whether it left the planet by 2300 AD or not. I can't remember exactly, but does Queen Zeal say anything about it to imply whether he's left or not in the Black Omen?

Well, I don't think it's a well established fact per se... yet. I think most of everyone's problem with doing that, is the fact that Belthasar was alleged to not be in complete use of his mind, by that point in the story. However, this is only said once in the entire game, and it was said by someone who would have every reason in the world to be jealous of the actual work that he was doing (the 'Wings of Time'), by means of it breaching the one field of study that was supposed to be his master of subjects. Yes, that's right (you guessed it), it is said by Gaspar at the End of Time.

Belthasar himself, however, does happen to mention the mere possibility of it happening in one of his letters. Which is were all this confusion about Lavos seems to be stemming from. Do keep in mind, that he did managed to get right every single little detail about Lavos' activities during his entire stay on the host planet of the story. If we are to take his word for it (which I personally don't see any reason not to do), than Lavos is indeed nothing more than a parasitic temporal entity with an appetite for genetic coding of the miscellaneous life-forms it can find.

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Site Updates / Re: Site maintenance re-rescheduled...

« on: June 20, 2008, 07:08:40 pm »

Actually, it's nothing big. It's just standard maintenance, but I'm too busy and things keep coming up (broken laptop AC adapter, unexpected work schedule, saying goodbye to some friends, taking down flags, extra duty, etc.).

Does that mean that the site's Forum Search feature will finally be restored?
I'd like to think so...thankfully.

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Crono Foreshadowing

« on: June 15, 2008, 07:46:24 pm »

1. Multiple people in the topic complained about Janus predicted (felt the Black Wind around Crono or the party) a death, but not being able to predict the Ocean Palace disaster. This is completely off. Janus and Schala were sick worried about feeling the Black Wind, and so Schala wanted to avoid at all costs to summon Lavos.

Indeed. Both Schala and Janus were worried sick about what was about to go down 'down' at the Ocean Palace. Now, they do happen to actually mention the Black Wind in that scene... coincidence? I think not.

2. Belthasar's prophetic abilities are out of record, it's something much greater than the Black Wind. While the Black Wind seems to give me a reading of "bad energy" or "death chill" or "bad presentiment", Belthasar's prophecy is exact. By Chrono Cross Belthasar called himself the Prophet of Time, we never saw anyone else call him that before. I think speculation is great but it really could be anything: the Nu, contact with the Planet, contact with Lavos, the Black Wind, or any mixture or relation of any.

Yeah, it's true, Belthasar does indeed posses some kind of 'super' ability to be able to predict with absolute certainty every single event that was 'fated' to transpire in order for Serge to be able to free Schala. I mean, the Neo-Epoch and FATE are both excellent tools for carrying out such a project... but, would that have helped him predict the timing of Starky's crashing into the El Nido Triangle, Norris' sudden appearance at the exact precise moment in which Kid needed the Hydra Humour to avoid death, etc., etc.?

3. Lavos reigns from IN the planet, that's all that is really said. "Atop Death Peak" is Woosley's invention. Lavos could nest inside the planet NOWHERE near Death Peak. But probably close, since the Black Omen is pretty close to Death Peak in 2300 AD, and his spawns are in Death Peak, after all.

Actually, if you had been paying attention, what Woolsay said in his translation was that Lavos was indeed reigning from atop Death Peak, at the moment at which he decided to erupt from the planet; as in, in 1999 AD, and not at all at the time of despair in which the world was at during 2300 AD. There are 301 years in between those two stated 'quotes', for which some people, apparently, don't find it that it should make that much of a difference.

4. Now, here's what you're forgetting, Mother Brain is the one who talks about Lavos leaving the planet:

I don't know if I would go as far as saying that the she actually mentions that he left the planet. Although it is extremely odd that she would neglect to mention him at all, seeing as how she's all worked up about its 'offspring' interfering with her actual plans for the future of the planet. One would think, if Lavos was still around, that he would've been at the very least considered as a potential 'nuisance' to at least be mentioned by her in the first place.

Yup, she's talking about Lavos children only, as if not minding Lavos at all, as if Lavos had already left the Planet. So:

Yeah, pretty much... I would think. Why else would she neglect to mention him? Either that, or he did, in fact, divided itself (like a virus) into three separate organisms.

a) Either Belthasar didn't knew/was delirating/didn't care/didn't have time to check if Lavos had already left the Planet when you can first talk to him, or when he was writing his shiny notes that declared that Lavos nests IN the Planet.

b) Lavos left the Planet in 2300 AD somewhere during the game (anytime since when you leave 2300 AD till when you visit Mother Brain), this would be possible with no crater or other evidence if he came out from the ground under the sea, and not on a continent. So, Lavos sufraced, went WHEEE I R A ROCKET, and its spawns will LIIIIIIIIKEEELYY do the same.

a) Doesn't matter. The point is that the game doesn't give us enough information to even begin guess at which point (there are 301 years inbetween) he would've left the planet. The game, however, does certainly heavily imply it.

b) That would be my interpretation, as well. As he does actually mention that he was resarching Lavos at some point. He probably stuck around until he knew for a fact, that his little 'baby' spawns would be appropiately taken care of (whatever that implies). As for the crater, I don't think that should even be considered an issue; since we did actually see where he would 'erupt' in the Lavos Day video in Arris Dome, didn't we? In any case, that supposedly always happens then (in 1999 AD) and not at all during 2300.


Anyway, as for some of the other points raised, namely concerning the pendant:
Aren't we forgetting that we do actually get to see what it looks like in the opening FMV? If it was actually meant to be that pendant, wouldn't it look the same there in that other FMV?
I think it's actually suppsed to be his soul or something. As in: Janus' prophecy is actually being fulfilled right then and there, and there was absolutely nothing at all that anyone could've ever done to prevent it from happening.

That's what I get from that cutsecene. Anyway, I highly doubt that was supposed to represent the 'pendant', for any number of reasons:
1) Aren't all items supposed to be 'hold' at inside the party's Item Bag, where all their other items are supposedly held?
2) Why would Crono be holding something that isn't even his, in the first place? Because we never see him returning it to Marle? Phfff... please.

As far as the Pocket Dimension theory is concerned.... I think that it has been heavily implied many times now that it is, in fact, a flawed theory; and that it was under revision at the moment or something.

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Welcome / Birthday / Seeya! Forum / Re: Well, uh..

« on: June 15, 2008, 04:43:46 pm »

Dankun and d3viant, I really don't think selling it long distance would be a good idea; I don't have a paypal or a bank account of my own, and sending money through the mail. Also, one of my younger relative's birthdays is coming up, and he's played Cross and has an SNES. He also loves Dragon Ball, so this would be an amazing gift for him in my opinion...

That really is too bad. I don't think, however, that you have to have a professional paypal account to recieve any money (with a bank account associated); I think you only need one with a bank account to actually send money, but I could be wrong on that. I was willing to go as high as $40 dollars, but I guess it's better this way, since I don't know what the actual condition of the game.
Lucky 'cousin' or whatever it is... if you do end up 'giving' it to him. Whatever... I guess it really is too much money for it, I mean, because I actually know what you ended up paying for it. I just wish I was as lucky as you were and find one at that price.

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Welcome / Birthday / Seeya! Forum / Re: Well, uh..

« on: June 15, 2008, 04:11:57 pm »

I just shelled out $115 buck for an unopened copy, still in the box, which was still wrapped in plastic. Sad thing is, I now have 2 chrono trigger game packs and I don't know what to do with the one I don't need. I think i'll give it to charity...

Would you be willing to consider selling it? Of course, I mean we would have to specify all the details and whatnot... but, anyway, I thought you said previously on another thread that the one you bought had cost you only $15? Or is this the one that you no longer need and therefore don't know what to do with it? If so, I would have to know in what conditions it actually is and what the appropiate price for it would be or somehthing.

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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Does the DBT exist as a 0th dimension?

« on: June 05, 2008, 12:18:05 pm »

Here...

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,2299.0.html

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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Ghetz's Shirt

« on: May 31, 2008, 12:03:07 am »

Boo, I'm sorry for contributing to the 'ruin' of this thread, but dankun's behavior is ridiculous and the sad thing about it is he thinks he's doing nothing wrong--since when did two wrongs make a right, dankun? After this, I'm done with the pointless argument.

Why is my behavior so ridiculous? Because I stated the real truth of the matter for what it really was? And where exactly is this 'second wrong' that you mention? And finally, let's hope you hold to what you're saying here, so that the thread can finally get back on topic...

Wow... point out to me where you have even been scientific and non-dogmatic in your posts in this thread.

Gladly.

...Did you really think I that I didn't know what I was talking about? That I wouldn't make absoulutely certain about what I was saying to make a post about it? That I wouldn't double check just to make sure that what you are saying is 100% 'bullshit', so that other people wouldn't waste their time with your suggestions?...

Granted, there's no real way for you to discern the actual truth of that statement, save for checking it out yourself in the game and figuring out who is really at fault here. Me...for calling out his 'bullshit' and adding a couple of very slight insults to increase 'weight' to my statement? Or him... for claiming he vividly remembers how he obtained it, while being erroneus about it every single little detail of the entire 'account'?

First off, it was an exaggeration(notice the ' '); second, I rehash: Settle down; and thirdly I read your posts, stop trolling to take the spotlight off you. And if you are "totally, completely and absolutely certain" about what you are talking about--spread the consensus by providing 'definitive' proof instead of trying to push a perceived, by me and others, 'self-righteous opinion'. At any rate, all I'm asking of you, and the only thing I expect you to take out of this, is to just be civil to others regardless of their argument's validity.

I'm not trolling. I really fail to see how two conditioned 'insults' are equitable to being a troll. Specially when I'm the only one on this thread who is actually doing any research at all in the first place!

I really can't provide any definite proof on this, save for making references to the Encyclopedia (which, as it so happens, I did). If you simply don't want to believe what I'm saying, there is one simple solution to that: Verirfy all the info yourself! How? Like I said, check for it yourself and see who is actually telling the truth on the matter. Granted, this may actually not be possible to you (like V_Translanka said), as you may not have a save point near that part of the game. However, even if you do, I would advice against it, as by doing so, you'd just be falling into the whole 'idiotic-filled' rumored ways scene of this god-forsaken, unnatural, accursed item.

Whoa, whoa, whoa there... stop; I read 'between the lines', and, to be honest, found very little content, save the pointless aggressive and insulting tactics. Sure, he may have been a troll, but does that justify your behavior? It just proves that you are no better than a troll.

Apparently, it would seem you didn't (or at least, not completely). As what was just pointed out above.
And like I said, how does pointing someone's 'bullshit' in a forum, comparable to 'troll' behavior?

Fair enough, but don't make an ill-perceived precedent; by doing so, you are doing more harm than good by adding more 'fuel' to the 'fire'.

Did I reallly make an 'ill-percieved' precedent? I thought it was mostly me just stating how I feel about posting in general, really. Specially on the whole deal of having a really 'large' post count, being somehow comparable to 'owning' truth to what anyone says in this forum...but whatever. I guess that is how it is on most forums, so there's no reason to why this place should be any different.

He was making an 'appeal to emotion', though probably not intentionally, so just drop it. Why is my advice, thus far, so offensive to you?

When did I ever say I was offended by your 'advice'? True enough, I did make an 'appeal to emotion' myself, but it was only so that people would stop ruining my thread... which it worked, I think.

These were, as well, 'appeals to emotion', don't be a hypocrite; your previous behavior simply cannot be justified. The fact is, although there may be a few smatterings of arguments here and there this is a friendly atmosphere. And don't play the victim, either; take a look at the trend of other forums--Ramsus and ZeaLity do a very good job at providing a 'welcoming' atmosphere for others and contributing to the 'growth' of the community. You, on the other hand, were being 'selfish' by 'attacking' another because, empirically, you concluded that radicalblues was wrong, rather than by proving, to us, that he might be, in fact, wrong by process of scientific evidence.

Friendly atmosphere? That's hardly the case with the religious threads, wouldn't you say? Which, for whatever reason, this place seems to turn to every once in a while (mostly for allowing them, I would think). And for the record, I wasn't playing the victim at all.... (yes, my welcome here was really that 'awful', just to put it into words).

You are a representative of the compendium by participating here; act like it.

True, I suppose. But I've never really felt completely welcomed here. Granted, it is mostly my own fault, as I barely see any point to getting involved at the level that some of you guys do. I've never really understood what little benefits would there actually be to do it, (other than personal satisfaction...) but whatever.

Now let's get back on topic: there are only two avenues to go from here. One of them is to 'dig' into the game code and post your findings. The other would be, when and if we do a Chrono Cross 2.0 patch this issue will be resolved on the docket.

Yes, let's... please. I wouldn't really know how to even begin lookin at the game code. But I suppose the Compendium has already done so, or at least found another way to completely validate the fact that it can't be obtained without Game Shark codes.
As for your second option, I think that's a little ways off, considering the actual 'state' in which Chrono Cross hacking is currently at.

I just wanted to let this stupid discussion drop, but since you continue being such a double-faced person:

Finally, some honesty! This did turned into a stupid discussion, I agree! It was all thanks to you, however...

Should I also quote ZealKnight? I called you prick afterwards, which is in essence is the same thing you called me:
n.: A total asshole, jerk, or jackoff (or jagoff).

Yes you did. However, I only said that you would be those things if and when you continued with your little hoax...
That's a big if... I would think.

I have no interest in further discussing Ghetz Shirt, maybe it's a bug item like a Wolflobe Sword, again, wish you luck. I just came back to clean my name, I didn't start the flames. I request other members to just drop this going-nowhere subject and try to help with the topic, since I'm also interested in knowing the exact causes. I'm starting another CC run when I get vacations

I actually really believe that there might be a way to get it without Game Shark codes. Why do I believe this? Because there are actually several mishaps with the Encyclopedia's listings, and also because every single FAQ in existence also have quite a few mistakes on them. But I could be wrong... In any case, we'll never know at the rate this thread is going. So let's just drop everything right now, okay?

Now, to contribute to the actual topic thread....

Has anyone really investigated the Bend of Time, thoroughly? I know that there's also another FAQ out there about it, that I think it's not even fully finished. The reason I ask is because I think that there is an actual possibilty that the only possible way to get it is as a spoil from one of the Wraiths there. However, I am unsure if this is completely accurate though, because I have never seen a Wraith who has had more 210+ Hp's...

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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Ghetz's Shirt

« on: May 28, 2008, 03:40:32 pm »

You know he was saying 'you' were being harsh and did not say anything about radicalblues being a gamefaq type. 

No. He was saying that he couldn't verify the info one way or the other, but that he somehow doubted he wasn't telling the truth and was just messing with whomever was willing to buy into this whole rumor-infested confounded item, as this place isn't GameFAQ's (or so I though, but apparently have been proven wrong).

Whoa, why do I always miss the flamefests?!  Seriously, dankun settle down; this isn't a place for antagonisms, it's a place for analysis and/or discussion--if you disagree with someone, say that, empirically, you doubt the probability of the given situation-- and leave it at that. Otherwise ask for proof -or- supply proof that the given situation is impossible(ie derive it from game code); don't EVER attack new members--you might as well shit on the Compendium's name yourself; and that, here, is a sin of the highest order--betrayal of the very community that provided a welcoming atmosphere for you.

You call this a flamefest!? All I ever did was to simply state what he would become in my eyes if he were to continue with his little 'charade'. He didn't. So in essence, there was no name calling from my end (unlike him, who did call both me and ZealKnight 'pricks'). Reread my posts. I don't have to state anything like 'I doubt that probablity of the given situation' because I am totally, completely and absolutely certain about what I am talking about.

Seriously, you people really need to learn how to read stuff longer than one line sentences (not to mention the ability to learn how to interptet the meaning between lines of any given post). The reason I was so irritated is because I just simply can't stand 'liers' of any possible sort ever. Specially on an internet forum, where its members are 'supposedly' hold to have some sort of nothing but 'good-doers' reputation, who are not selfish, devious or misleading on anything in the least when it comes to Chrono related stuff.

I highly doubt that any single member coul ever hold such 'influence' on the community at large, specially someone that posts so little as me. And I wasn't talking about not caring for the Compendium's reputation (whatever it may really be)... I was talking about any repercussions that my post may have ultimately had, as he seemed to have been making an appeal to emotion by 'pretending' to be so insulted by it and enlarging (unfoundedly, as it is nothing more than a logical fallacy) what it consequences migth be. Oh, and by the way, I never did recieve such 'welcome' either (if anything it was actually the opposite, and by the site's creator himself, no less).

dankun, what the flying fuck? Out of anything you are being the troll. He says one thing and BAM, you attack him.

You may not care about the Compendium's reputation, but we do.

That't just the way I always reply, in case you hadn't noticed it. To note, however, is the fact that I never did replied to what little 'name calling' he did.

And again, I wasn't talking about the Compendium's reputation, moreso than my own.

GameFAQ members are a little biased and harsh with their judgements. I'll be trying to have an intelligent conversation., and i'll list one of my dissapointments from a game, and then fanboys will call me a "Nublet"

Yes. They are known to be quite 'unreasonable', that much is true. However, that is not the only thing that they are known for, actually (i.e. rumor starting about complete idiotic stuff that's impossible to even accomplish).

This thread sucks.  Just everyone drop it.  If the flamefest continues, I ask Translanka to get involved and lock this thread.

I agree. What has become of my 'precious' second little thread!? And all that just for the fact that, apparently, some of you can't seem to even read my posts, at least correctly. See what GameFAQ's members are capable of doing now? And I am certain (although not 100%, as my memory isn't perfect and it happened some time ago) that he was/is a gamefaq's members at some point, because as I said 'someone' actually posted about this exact 'theoreticallly rumored' way to obtain it there (although it has probably now since been erased, I think).

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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Ghetz's Shirt

« on: May 27, 2008, 03:24:48 pm »

The rudeness of this forum is nice. You request information about the item, I come up with a possibility that you could very well research, but instead I get told to stop posting, then called "idiot" by ZealKnight and "jackass" and "moron" by the topic creator. I don't think I insulted any of you. And I don't know why the hell you keep writing like 'this'.

Don't worry, I'm not always like this. Only when I get irritated by someone who I know is totally and completely dead wrong about a specific subject. Case in point, you coming here and telling everyone to go experiment about something that I know for a fact it's complete bullshit. Did you really think I that I didn't know what I was talking about? That I wouldn't make absoulutely certain about what I was saying to make a post about it? That I wouldn't double check just to make sure that what you are saying is 100% 'bullshit', so that other people wouldn't waste their time with your suggestions?
And I'll talk, however the hell I wanna 'talk'. Thank you very much.

Don't worry, this doesn't talk bad about the Compendium, it just makes you two look like complete pricks. I won't go down to your level and insult you back (save for pricks). I wish you luck in your research.

I'm not worried. Like I post enough here to even care....
Please stop lying about how you got this item and start telling the truth!! (you have a gameshark and you're trying to be 'funny')

Yeah, I think they were being a little harsh in their criticisms too, radicalblues. Regardless of whether or not what you say is factual or made up (of which I have no way of proving either way myself), nobody needs to bash you for believing it and it didn't seem to me like you were making it up to screw with people...I mean, this isn't GameFAQs, right? >_>

Exactly. We don't need members like them over here at the Compendium.

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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Ghetz's Shirt

« on: May 26, 2008, 11:42:45 pm »

Yeah, this much IS true.  I have the guide in front of me now and it shows:

Wraith
Innate: Black

Homeworld
HP: 400
Atk/Mag Atk: 47/10
Def/Mag Def: 30/6
Drop (Common): HellSoul
Drop (Rare): Ghetz'sShirt
Steal (Common): Capsule
Steal (Rare): FreeFall

Thanks. I don't own a physical copy of the guide, so I couldn't really verify it. That's almost exactly identical to the information that's here in the Encyclopedia, with the exception of Rare Drop item being nothing.

Yup, I can verify as I have the Brady Guide and that's what it says...

I know it's bad quality because it's just my cam, but you can see what it says, right?

Yeah, I can see it. I actually had no idea that the name of the item as it appears in-game had no space in between the two words. I guess my theory was correct, after all. Probably all the mistakes that were made in the Brady Games Guide were repeated by that FAQ, as they weren't really 'gathered', moreso than they were 'copied'.

dankun: I'll take my chances on deciding if I bother to post or not. I did not post misleading nor tried to be ambiguous, and I don't take pleasure in trolling or lying on purpose. On the contrary, I posted information from my memory (corroborated by my unhacked Chrono Cross save file) which could lead to experimentation from Compendium members to try to find something in that exact battle.

Yeah, okay... whatever you say. Just know that nobody will ever keep paying attention to you, as long as you keep being a complete dubious and insencere 'jackass'. You are nothing than a complete 'moron', if you continue to keep pushing this nonsensical idea that you somehow managed to misteriously get it, through a imaginary way in a fight that doesn't exist in the game as you describe it. If you so vividly remember how it is you got it, how about you come up with a more believable lie than that or start being honest for once and admit your being devious and deceiving about it.

I don't remember the exact names of all monstrosity of CC, sorry. I could grab a screen of my game file with digital camera or something, but I guess that wouldn't help since you can gameshark it anyway. I still keep my call up for Compendium members to experiment on that fight, since I do know I got it as a spoil.

You don't have to remember them. They're all listed right here in the Encyclopedia. I actually had to check it to verify a few names myself, and I still got some of them wrong! And you're right, a pic would definitely not constitute credible proof at all, so don't bother. How about you start telling the truth, and admitting your being a 'phony' instead?

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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Ghetz's Shirt

« on: May 24, 2008, 03:42:42 pm »

Yep, that rumor comes from GameFAQs. As far as I can tell, no one has ever successfully acquired it. I've seen several posts on GF since starting to visit those forums in late 2003 talking about fighting hundreds of Wraiths to no avail.

Yeah, I think I've seen a few threads concerning this item specifically myself. However, I don't think I've ever seen a single post ever, that has fully detailed an explanation on how to obtain it, and which actually makes any sense.

It's in the Brady guide as a rare drop from Home World Wraiths which is where I think that rumor started, actually...

Hmmm... I didn't realize that it was also in the Brady Games Guide as well. Is that a fact? I never bothered correlating the two 'guides', but I guess it's possible seeing as how there are plenty of mistakes in both (i.e. the FAQ stemmed from the mistakes made by the Brady Games one).

Oh my, I just saw the enciclopedia and I want to make a very important correction. Ghetz shirt CAN be obtained without gameshark. I do not own a gameshark and I just double checked my lots-years-old Chrono Cross save. As I remembered, I have the Ghetz shirt.

Yeah... unless you can provide actual 'proof' of what your're saying here, I wouldn't bother to continue posting about it. Specially if all the info your going to provide is misleading.

I never knew about the Hydra Marshes rumor, but I can tell you where to obtain it: Isle of Damned.

I'm not sure if recruiting Greco is a requierement, if any at all. But I vividly remember how I got it, it was when you're Lynx and you're gonna go against Garai. On the isle there is a creepy armor (around the end with the mirror puzzle) standing somewhere, and it will get you into a battle (hard if first game) with many armor monsters. I vividly remember getting the Ghetz Shirt as a spoil.

Okay... you see, I remember reading something extremely similar to what your'e actually saying here a long time ago in the Game FAQ's forums.
I actually remember verifying this as a complete hoax!

The battle that you're actually talking about is the one with the Wight Knight, which can only be fought once, like you said, at the Isle of the Damned in Home World. However, you don't necessarily have to fight him on your first trip, as you can actually trigger the fight (by luring the Will'O'Wisp who is hanging around that area) at any point in the game that you want.

That battle is always fought against that one special armor called the W'Knight or something in the game. There are no other types of armors ever present in that fight. No Man-O'-Wars or Man-At-Arms at all! The only ones in the entire game are the ones you fight in the S.S. Zelbess (a group of Man-O'-Wars only) and at Viper Manor (only one Man-At-Arms in the group) in the Treasure Vault Room (when you put the Decor Shield in its place). Oh, and by the way, the Wight Knight's rare drop is a Rainbow Shell. Which is also one of the easiest ones to miss in the game. (Try fighting a Will'O'Wisp and the Wight Knight over and over until you actually get a 'rare' drop from it).

I never ever had idea it was a rare item, I was just "oh, Ghetz, that's Greco's dead friend" and continued. I repeat myself, I do not own a gameshark nor have used one. I know I got it from these armor monsters, which you can only battle once at isle of damned (armor disappears after the battle). Maybe that set of enemies is unique, different from the ones from Viper Manor (I think they also appared there).

You see, it's not that I don't want to believe you, it's mostly that you're not making any sense!
Trying to be ambiguous about it, it's not really gonna help your case or make your post a single bit more credible.

Anyway, don't believe me if you don't want, go experiment, I'm sure it's obtainable without game shark, seeing I have it. I only have one though.

If you ever provide any actual sort of credible evidence, I'll believe you. I will also try to verify it, as soon as possible (I have saves at just about every single point in the game).

Don't they appear on the SS Invincible as well? I thought it was one of the monsters Fargo sends to fight you.

Yeah, that's actually one of the only two points in the game in which you can actually fitght them.
No Man-At-Arms though, in that group. Which is good, conisdering that you get another chance to fight them at Viper Manor, after you recruit Sprigg (for her Doppelgang transformations).

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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Ghetz's Shirt

« on: May 22, 2008, 03:24:40 am »

All right... I've been recently trying to actually finalize my 'perfect' new game save file, and I've never been as close to accomplishing it by actually doing everything that I've always wanted to (which includes having a permanently evolved Pip with his elemental grid actually complete!).

Anyway, there is one other thing that I've always wondered about and that is of the particular armor called Ghetz Shirt. I know that there was supposed to be an event that actually enabled you to get it but was ultimately not implemented into the game. I also am aware that there is actually a way to get it through Game Shark codes, if I'm not mistaken.

Now, I was just wondering... is there anyone who is knowladgeable enough on this particular aspect of the game, so as to give me any pointers regarding where exactly were you supposed to acquire it...? Is there any possible way to get it withouth using Game Shark codes?

P.S.: BTW, there is a FAQ at gamefaq's on items obtained that are stolen/dropped by enemies that specifies that the particular monster that 'supposedly' were meant to drop it are the Wraiths in Home World, but only as a rare drop. Only problem is, that Wraiths are almost never found in Home World. The only one that I can actually think of, is the one blocking your way to Viper Manor who is haunting the little boy's dad in the Shadow Forest. Other than the ones through the Bend of Time's portal (second one from the entrance on the top row), I can think of no other Wraiths.

Edit: Okay, I just checked the Compendium's Encyclopedia and it states that there are actual rumours about getting it through a rare drop in the Hydra Marshes (I'll assume that it was through a Wraith and in Home World), but that they are in fact just that, only rumors. I wonder if the rumors got started as a result of that Game FAQ I alluded or if there is any actual truth to them... help?