Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities => Topic started by: wsdragon on March 23, 2012, 08:41:55 pm
-
One thing that has always bothered me is that I keep hearing about Lavos "absorbing" DNA into its own and also directing the evolution on the planet, but it is not clear to me how it can do so.
Seeing as how Lavos is buried (and possibly dormant) deep within the planet, it never actually is able to make any physical contact with organisms from the surface world except for possibly upon its landing on earth and the 2 times that it had surfaced (12000BC and 1999AD). Is it physically gathering this DNA? If so, by what means? It certainly does not have access to the corpses of deceased organisms when it is buried that deeply in the planet.
If it is simply observing the genetic makeup of organisms and integrating certain traits into itself, how is it performing this observation? To my understanding, other than the frozen flame and mammon machine, there is no other way in which Lavos can sense and influence anything on the surface. That is the whole reason why it had to burst through surface in 12000BC and 1999AD, because the only way it could influence the surface world was physically. If instead it were able to "psychically" read and alter the genetic makeup of organisms on the surface, then it could have just easily unleashed some sort of genetic disorder or disease that would wipe out surface life in 1999AD from the comfort of being below the surface instead of putting itself at risk by surfacing (which ultimately lead to its demise).
Any thoughts?
-
There are some random thoughts:
1. It is magic! Pretty much this is a lazy theory that solves all mysteries. But, consider how the Frozen Flame makes contact with Lavos itself (they don't have physical contact either), maybe those species whose evolution has been influenced by Lavos also have some sort connections.
2. Lavos has some agents who collect informations for it besides the Frozen Flame or dreamstones.
3. It haunts in dreams of the creatures so the informations/data can be transfered in the form of electromagnetic energy or a way similar to theory 1. Bet I'm inspired by Cthulhu Mythos, hehe.
4. It communicates with or even abduct the Planet /Entity! For the creatures are after all 'dreams' of the planet.
-
lol, em waves. lavos, the large scale MRI. but seriously thought, I do actually like the EM wave theory. It may very well be possible that lavos is able to discern certain facts about dna strands by techniques that arn't largely different than modern spectroscopy. If you are familiar with how Carbon 13 and hydrogen 1 spectroscopy works, maybe lavos is using the planet as a giant magnet to separate magnetic resonances of certain molecules. A far out theory, but possibly a better theory than magic (however spectroscopy is never mentioned in chrono trigger where as magic is referenced one or twice).
-
If Nu's a harbingers of Lavos, it could be the Nu's harvesting the DNA for Lavos.
If Nu's are just a natural element of the planet and nothing to do with Lavos... then no idea.
-
:?
I beat that without think to that... oh my...
-
Well, a Nu or two can be found in Ayla's time, and therefor seem to have been there even before Lavos showed up. And there's never any implied connection of any kind. So, I dunno.
:roll:
-
I thought it was mostly implied that it had some supernatural power to do so
-
Lavos' mechanisms are unknown. From what I've observed, he mostly seems to passively absorb DNA from the surface. Although he does control evolution, he seems to do so through very subtle and indirect means.
-
Hmm, never thought much on this, but if I were to guess...
Perhaps, being underground, it had a way to collect DNA samples from dead beings. You know, for those that get buried and stuff.
Yeah... not much I can think of without realying on external agents or through supernatural ways...
-
Is it possible that Lavos has the ability to transcend time AND space? If this were true, it would have the ability to be anywhere at anytime, therefore having the capacity to extract DNA from anything.
-
Why then that Lavos day then happened? Or are it get all at what possible? Or just bad day?
-
I like the (my) idea that Lavos waits as long as possible before he decides he must ravage the population in order to carry out the next step before he can be stopped. So, when he deems humans almost technologically advanced enough to stop him, he calls it good, destroys the planet, and then moves on to creating and sending out Lavos Spawn.
Or maybe he waits until he's discovered, and that's when he calls it. Maybe some research scientists found him and he said okay, time to call it... boom, Day of Lavos. He did something similar to Zeal (kingdom) when he noticed they were messing with him. Lavos wasn't having any of that, so he destroyed the place. Only in 1999, they're living in domes, all across the planet, probably have the internet... so Lavos decides it's time.
Because remember: billions of years of work would be lost if he doesn't successfully send his spawn out. It's pretty safe to assume that he wouldn't risk failure.
Alternate theory for fun: maybe he waited for the top species (humans) to stop evolving. He wanted every last bit of natural selection... and when they became so technologically advanced, survival of the fittest truly didn't apply anymore. With humanity no longer evolving, no need to keep collecting that DNA... boom, Day of Lavos.
-
I like the (my) idea that Lavos waits as long as possible before he decides he must ravage the population in order to carry out the next step before he can be stopped. So, when he deems humans almost technologically advanced enough to stop him, he calls it good, destroys the planet, and then moves on to creating and sending out Lavos Spawn.
Or maybe he waits until he's discovered, and that's when he calls it. Maybe some research scientists found him and he said okay, time to call it... boom, Day of Lavos. He did something similar to Zeal (kingdom) when he noticed they were messing with him. Lavos wasn't having any of that, so he destroyed the place. Only in 1999, they're living in domes, all across the planet, probably have the internet... so Lavos decides it's time.
Because remember: billions of years of work would be lost if he doesn't successfully send his spawn out. It's pretty safe to assume that he wouldn't risk failure.
Alternate theory for fun: maybe he waited for the top species (humans) to stop evolving. He wanted every last bit of natural selection... and when they became so technologically advanced, survival of the fittest truly didn't apply anymore. With humanity no longer evolving, no need to keep collecting that DNA... boom, Day of Lavos.
Oh my... what ... Youre say that is selfdefence at first... next one sounds... it was it fate...
-
I like the (my) idea that Lavos waits as long as possible before he decides he must ravage the population in order to carry out the next step before he can be stopped. So, when he deems humans almost technologically advanced enough to stop him, he calls it good, destroys the planet, and then moves on to creating and sending out Lavos Spawn.
Or maybe he waits until he's discovered, and that's when he calls it. Maybe some research scientists found him and he said okay, time to call it... boom, Day of Lavos. He did something similar to Zeal (kingdom) when he noticed they were messing with him. Lavos wasn't having any of that, so he destroyed the place. Only in 1999, they're living in domes, all across the planet, probably have the internet... so Lavos decides it's time.
Because remember: billions of years of work would be lost if he doesn't successfully send his spawn out. It's pretty safe to assume that he wouldn't risk failure.
Alternate theory for fun: maybe he waited for the top species (humans) to stop evolving. He wanted every last bit of natural selection... and when they became so technologically advanced, survival of the fittest truly didn't apply anymore. With humanity no longer evolving, no need to keep collecting that DNA... boom, Day of Lavos.
I absolutely love this theory and I think it makes the most sense. I figured he absorbed it telepathically to be honest.
-
Which one?
(There were three.)
-
I suppose only Lavos could tell you for sure which senses it used, if it had ever thought to consider that or analyze it at all. I've 'seen' several ways that things that don't exist by societal standards have shown me in my minds eye, but each things walk in existence is its own and unique and while things are similar, how they play out is different due to the world, the 'laws' that govern it and how the 'magic' of reality works beyond our fantasy notions of magic.
I would say that it is obvious that Lavos does watch. When you fight the Final Battle with it down under all of its armor, it flashes through time periods during the fight, a form of illusion painting the picture. Perhaps along with illusions and others means, it also relies on senses we, as humans, rely on beyond sight, hearing, etc. Without going too much in detail, it IS a creature caught, but not stuck, in a time loop where he transcends all time periods just because he is in one, like the Black Omen. Otherwise, you could kill him in the future and still go back in time, era by era, and kill him over and over.
That, in itself has him existing within his own form of 'black hole', but not what we view as a black hole or any form of wormhole. It shows when you face him a couple ways that he is just resting in a cave, not a space all its own, but under the shell exists an air that could have its own time bubble, much like the End of Time, but still different all the same. And then, There's Lavos itself having all that time in that time loop to learn how to use abilities beyond fighting to pierce the universal mind and learn from countless things like The Matrix. It's even possible for it to have 'samples' of cell tissue and particles from every living thing to be brought to it through wormholes, causing no actual damage to anything. Not osmosis, but an actual manipulating of reality to bring the matter to him and into himself.
Now, let's say that this is actually possible for some beings and see if you can extend beyond the barrier of disbelief. Already between Trigger and Cross, Lavos learns both of Time and Alternate realities and the co-relations between them, perhaps sees and experiences more than the limited game engines could fully bring out. In a vast omnireality with near-infinite amount of alternate realities for almost every decision, eventually securing a strong linear time line that can no longer be altered through time travel at all, because it has already been altered in ever conceivable manner. But, for a being going through it's linearity, like Lavos, it would be like entering past an event horizon and not seeing the inevitability of what the future forces the past to meet as it fulfills whatever purpose is fulfilled by its analyzing of time and space as it did and must then be given an exit, a beautiful death. Until it hit the point of Chrono killing it, it would not have been able to conceive of being able to be defeated by them, for the same reason that Sephiroth lost to Cloud even with Clouds lack of skill and ability to be on the level of a God, how when destiny and fate intertwine with free will, combatants are forced to meet in a middleground realm of 'fair fight' where they are simultaneously brought to a middle level between each, one a downward slipping towards the death they often wanted and the other an uphill battle into rising to their destiny to become the best fighter in their world.
Otherwise, with Sephiroth being able to keep them all immobile in the air would have proven for it to be impossible for them to actually kill him in a matching of skill; Lavos has to be the same. The choice to fight, the choice to enter into battle in terms of 'to the death'. Not just for the life of the planet, but for the sheer force of the warriors blood rising in them all and wanting to put it to the test, wanting to 'feel', to be 'alive', if only for a moment before their final death. The fact is that this can be evidenced in a lot of our different stories, so has an actual credibility to the concept. It is literally how Goku in Dragon Ball Z met all of his enemies head on, no matter how stronger than him they were and beat them all one way or the other even if he had to put a bad dog down. Literally how every RPG is and how life itself is as we enter into it, culture-shocked from birth and rushing through it without knowing, knowing and blind until we find our feet in it here and there only to be caught unawares by another part of 'life'.
and, as we absorb information and data from everything we encounter, even in the mind and spirit, so, too, would have to be assumed of Lavos and every other living entity.
-
Why then that Lavos day then happened? Or are it get all at what possible? Or just bad day?
Solar Eclipse of 1999
-
Ya know that Xmen movie with that super strong mutant who can be reborn into another body and take their ability? I feel like if Lavos is strong enough to be in touch with the mindset of people, then he can do anything he sees. Sort of like "you can do anything you can think of." If its something you never thought of, how can you even create it out of thin air? The people then can come up with many more random ideas than a single creature with one brain. So he watches everyone.