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Title: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: guilmm on January 17, 2011, 01:08:09 pm
[Link removed]

Sorry, had to remove your link because it contains a rom file.



Sorry. ;-)


Sorry. ;-)
--FW
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 17, 2011, 06:34:04 pm
I think that's still breaking the rules...

... but I took a look nonetheless xD
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: DarioEMeloD on January 18, 2011, 02:02:43 am
It says there it is supported by the Compendium... is it true?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 18, 2011, 03:13:40 am
The compendium does not condone leaks AFAIK. Me as an individual, however...
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: buu700 on January 18, 2011, 06:10:23 pm
It says there it is supported by the Compendium... is it true?

No, that was my bad. I didn't actually say that, but implied it; someone else had mentioned that CEMemorial's Youtube channel linked to my reddit post, and I responded that I'd contacted the Chrono Compendium (true: messaged its reddit account) and that I had some legitimate support (mistakenly believing that CEMemorial was connected to CC, when in reality CEMemorial was my only "official" support).

Anyway, I find it slightly amusing that CC won't even report on this, when it seems every other gaming site and forum is eating it up :P.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Trebuchet on January 18, 2011, 07:33:17 pm
Well, I know who finished Crimson Echoes and did this leak for us, and I salute them.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 18, 2011, 07:37:19 pm
The FoE guys?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Trebuchet on January 18, 2011, 07:49:35 pm
Nope, I mean Crimson Echoes, not that other thing, which I have no interest in checking out due to it's blatant disrespect of the original creators.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 18, 2011, 07:51:08 pm
I meant did they leak it.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Dialga_Palkia on January 18, 2011, 08:46:58 pm
So which is official? Crimson Echoes or the fully updated final version of flames of eternity?

Also the idiot here just blurb out the secret. someone, for the love of zeal, tell that person to remove that link.

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=147692
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 18, 2011, 08:58:51 pm
well the compendium just needs to point SE in the direction of 'RawmeatCowboy' for their $150k
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Dialga_Palkia on January 18, 2011, 09:08:21 pm
While it's great to see this day finally come, this is going to hurt the makers behind the game. Basically we're in a red zone at the moment. Every game community site is confirming the leak and once SE gets a hold of it, they are screwed. Though, does CC have an account on that one site where the source was first located?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 18, 2011, 09:10:47 pm
well the CC isn't offering or supporting the leak AFAIK
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lady Marle on January 18, 2011, 09:11:58 pm
Well this is going to get interesting...
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Dialga_Palkia on January 18, 2011, 09:15:15 pm
basically, whoever that user was on Reddit is going to get the CC in dire trouble. Why they might shut down this place. But, I don't see a reason because Capcom for example approves of fan works whereas SE has to be greedy. What's  hilarious is how they're leading themselves to their downfall with the recent expectations and sales of FFXIII and FFXIV.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 18, 2011, 09:25:07 pm
Here's the thing... I don't care who picked up the pieces and put it together or who leaked it, but the people who created and poured their blood, sweat, and tears into Crimson Echoes are the one's who will be held responsible. Ultimately it will be Zeality, Chrono'99, etc. who will be held responsible, seeing as how it's THEIR project with THEIR names on it.

I mean, the C&D had their legal names on it. Square-Enix did their research and has the personal, non-internet, real-world contact information for Zeality and the others. Ultimately this will fall on their shoulders.

Is the "leak" the Flames of Eternity project or the unfinished beta from May 2009?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 18, 2011, 09:27:31 pm
both
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Trebuchet on January 18, 2011, 09:29:03 pm
The people who leaked it took the 98% beta and completed it.

Flames of Eternity was also released, but is the inferior version, in my opinion
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on January 18, 2011, 09:32:18 pm
I just wanted to chime in and say...

...that PSZ's new avatar seriously rocks. I gotta find that Queen Zeal fanart. (I think it's Queen Zeal? Could certainly pass for Queen Zeal!)


For the time being, I guess the best we can do here is to make sure no links to the Chrono Trigger (or patched Crimson Echoes) ROM appear on the Compendium forums. I'm certainly not expecting any front-page commentary on the site, since that would be dangerous regardless. I think it's pretty poetic that anyone visiting the Compendium for the first time over this will see all the recent fanwork news articles splashed over the front page.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 18, 2011, 09:34:50 pm
First, it's a comissioned piece of the Fiendlady, lol.

Second, it would be best to strictly monitor this thread and make it a bannable offense to even give pointers. The first guy worked around the link removal and gave a search instruction instead.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lady Marle on January 18, 2011, 09:47:08 pm
Faust Wolf : It's a commissioned piece I did for Princess Schala Zeal :) You can see the full version here on my deviantArt (http://fav.me/d37ils1)!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on January 18, 2011, 10:19:54 pm
Oh wow, I guess I did mis-identify that character after all! I especially like the hair, great job.

I'd prefer not to start a ban fest as a knee-jerk reaction quite yet. If the GoNintendo article is any indication, the Chrono Compendium and the CE team haven't even been mentioned by media outlets, so I'm guardedly optimistic that Square Enix will let this slide under the radar just as they did the alpha/pre-beta leak that made its way out just after the C&D.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lennis on January 18, 2011, 11:52:48 pm
Would it be appropriate to take a pro-active stance on this?  Meaning be in contact with Square/Enix to assure them that the terms of the C&D have not been violated?  No one at the Compendium was responsible for this.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 19, 2011, 12:26:59 am
Sorry for being out of the loop, but what is Flames of Eternity?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 19, 2011, 12:37:54 am
Derivative of the CE alpha that is pretty much an implicit insult to the CE team.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Trebuchet on January 19, 2011, 12:38:46 am
Flames of Eternity is the result of someone taking the Crimson Echoes Alpha and heavily modifying it to his own tastes, while removing any mention of the original team. I see it as somewhat of a bastardization of Crimson Echoes, but look for it on youtube to decide for yourself.

EDIT: Oh, PSZ pretty much covered it.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 19, 2011, 12:43:16 am
*rage rage rage*
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Trebuchet on January 19, 2011, 12:46:19 am
yeah, it's kind of bullshit, but they deserve points for doing it. Although others did the same much better while keeping the original version completely intact. I knew one group was doing this, but I knew NOTHING about this "Flames of Eternity" thing.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: ZealKnight on January 19, 2011, 01:23:35 am
Can we really  say that no one from the compendium did it? It's always a possibility. Maybe we should make it clear that no one who was involved with crimson echoes did it.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Acacia Sgt on January 19, 2011, 01:49:27 am
Can we really  say that no one from the compendium did it? It's always a possibility. Maybe we should make it clear that no one who was involved with crimson echoes did it.

Well, they had to get their hands on the thing from somewhere in order to leak it. Then again, this doesn't make it definite proof for either case.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Dialga_Palkia on January 19, 2011, 02:20:07 am
this explains the reason why Glenn is in human forme rather frog forme.

Hold it. Are Zeality and Agent10 members of Reddit or are they impostors?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 19, 2011, 03:07:22 am
those are either imposters that we can hunt down for a $75k SE-issued bounty on each, or the real Z and A10 (Agent 12 btw) just made an f-ing stupid financial mistake
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Vehek on January 19, 2011, 03:20:39 am
Hold it. Are Zeality and Agent10 members of Reddit or are they impostors?
"Zeality" over there is the real one, as it's the same account he used before and its statements elsewhere on Reddit match his opinions.
"agent10" is less clear, as back in 2009, Agent 12 used "agent12".
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 19, 2011, 03:27:30 am
well if one of em posted the leak, I hope they've got cash to spare
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: RySenkari on January 19, 2011, 03:59:45 am
Assuming Square Enix even gives a damn anymore.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 19, 2011, 04:39:07 am
companies run by adults who never outgrew their terrible twos always give a damn
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: buu700 on January 19, 2011, 05:25:50 am
basically, whoever that user was on Reddit is going to get the CC in dire trouble. Why they might shut down this place. But, I don't see a reason because Capcom for example approves of fan works whereas SE has to be greedy. What's  hilarious is how they're leading themselves to their downfall with the recent expectations and sales of FFXIII and FFXIV.

That would be me... Maybe SE will be cool about it since I told people to buy their product...? :/

Do you really think the CC is in danger at all? It's not like this site was related to me finding that file and making sure everyone got a hold of it. Ah, fuck Maine, you know that feeling you get in your stomach when you realise you may inadvertently set in motion some negative things?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 19, 2011, 05:32:50 am
5 years from now SE goes bankrupt and they look for someone to blame their wrongdoings on.... just like the executives did to the production team after FF14 ba-bombed
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: tushantin on January 19, 2011, 06:08:25 am
Man, in 2 days this thread gets more views and posts than any others around. It's been years since the Compendium was this active. O_O And in the Sun Keep of all places!

The conditions of the C&D have been met, and SE's terms have not been violated. All ROMS and Patches have been destroyed and the Compendium does not support illegal activities regarding rom-hacking and anything else that may enrage SE (oh, great Gods of SE! How we worship thee! *sarcasm*). The Compendium will not be held responsible for whatever the heck people do outside of it.

@PSZ: If Schala was transfered to the Middle Ages in Janus's stead, then does Janus become the next King of Zeal? XD That'd be rad!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 19, 2011, 06:22:33 am
Haha, well... I haven't exactly thought of that.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: buu700 on January 19, 2011, 06:23:13 am
Hey, I just posted a final update / apology to reddit which you may direct Square Enix to if the CC does contact them. Any thoughts or changes I should make?

(Sorry, it would be a bit unnecessary effort to convert the Markdown to BBCode, so I'll leave it as is.)

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##Final Edit:

I've removed my mirrors of the files. I am not, in fact, the original leak; I'm merely a publicist (not unlike [MTV](http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2011/01/18/chrono-trigger-fanmade-sequel-keeps-franchise-alive/) and [Joystiq](http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/18/fan-made-chrono-trigger-sequel-finds-release/)).

[This Megaupload link] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1g2Cx03L2I) was anonymously sent to me last week; I can't say where it originated from, but it must have been floating around for a bit.

I am not associated with the project. I have nothing to do with either *Crimson Echoes* or *Flames of Eternity*.

Furthermore, the original developer team and the Chrono Compendium are not associated with this leak with which I took it upon myself to go sensationalist about.

My goal was to get the word out, because I think a project this awesome deserves some attention. Now that I've done that, the rest of you can find the game yourself. I hereby wash my hands of the matter.

###—buu700

---

**P.S.** Square Enix, Chrono Compendium, Kajar Labs: I hope this post doesn't cause any trouble for any of you.

Despite the positive response from fans / news outlets and the renewed interest in the franchise, it wasn't my place to open this old wound. If any of you want to contact me for any reason, just shoot me a quick private message (the account creation process is very short).

I honestly didn't think this would get nearly as big as it did, or even go anywhere beyond reddit. I sincerely hope that the existence of this game doesn't cause any damages, or even that it may help boost sales of the DS version of the game I linked to below.

Again, I know acted recklessly, I didn't take the consequences into account beforehand, and I'm sorry.

By the way, if a canon addition to the *Chrono* series is ever released, I for one will be among the first in line to purchase it, as will I'm sure all those 270 redditors who upvoted this post (not to mention the many non-redditors who were linked to this post).

And maybe here isn't the best place to suggest that Square Enix offer employment to Kajar Labs (or simply claim ownership, polish *Crimson Echoes* up a bit, and rerelease it on the DS), but who says we can't have a happy ending for everyone here? :)
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 19, 2011, 06:29:09 am
SE is relentless, and ultimately they'll destroy themselves.

As the old moral goes, "Greed will imprison us all." ... okay, I got that from Rush Hour but it's a good lesson.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: KebreI on January 19, 2011, 06:34:41 am
Just found the ROM on /v/ and was wondering if something happened for a sec. So it looks like it is an updated version of the 98% version but not the one by Flames of Eternity. Huh, didn't know there was another one working on it.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: buu700 on January 19, 2011, 06:36:38 am
SE is relentless, and ultimately they'll destroy themselves.

As the old moral goes, "Greed will imprison us all." ... okay, I got that from Rush Hour but it's a good lesson.

In other words, you think that they'll try and find someone to go after? Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with SE history and bad at deciphering stuff.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on January 19, 2011, 06:41:32 am
Buu, I hope you'll forgive my tongue-in-cheek edit of your post.  8)

No sense freaking out over this any more than the other times it's happened since the C&D. Everyone and their brother has claimed to have "hacked the Compendium" or known a person who knew a person who knew a beta tester, etc. It's impossible to keep track of how many versions people claim are floating in the ether.

The danger period is the next couple weeks, or so I reckon because that's about the amount of time that passed between the final CE preview and the C&D back in 2009. Hopefully Square Enix is so busy knocking down unapproved Final Fantasy XIII-2 footage on Youtube that this will really be the least of their concerns. Keeping my fingers crossed that that's the case, anyway.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: buu700 on January 19, 2011, 06:47:42 am
Hahahaha. You know, it's funny; I'm also this guy (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/abs0g/in_2008_thebeefytaco_and_i_each_ran_epicrelics/).

And thanks. I guess you're right. I should be doing homework right now at 5:46am instead of worrying about this anyway.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 19, 2011, 12:24:21 pm
Just found the ROM on /v/ and was wondering if something happened for a sec. So it looks like it is an updated version of the 98% version but not the one by Flames of Eternity. Huh, didn't know there was another one working on it.

Maaaan...as much as I'm shocked and worried by this, I guess I'm also glad that it's not based on Flames of Eternity, going from the little I heard in regards to how that turned out...

I just hope nothing terrible comes of this. Would be nice if this turned out to be much ado about nothing; I'm not holding my breath for that, but I do think it's entirely reasonable that the CC can avoid anything too bad, since they literally had nothing to do with this...
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: ZealKnight on January 19, 2011, 02:35:23 pm
Hopefully Square Enix is so busy knocking down unapproved Final Fantasy XIII-2 footage on Youtube that this will really be the least of their concerns. Keeping my fingers crossed that that's the case, anyway.

ZealKnight likes this post!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Acacia Sgt on January 19, 2011, 02:38:26 pm
Heh. Putting it that way, it does sound a likely possiblity.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Thought on January 19, 2011, 06:25:18 pm
Legally speaking, this seems like a grey area. Zeality and the Crimson Echoes Dream Team got a C&D letter and, indeed, the both ceased and desisted most endedly. Now someone else came along and essentially stole the work, changed it, and released it. Technically, the release is a hack of a hack, a copyright infringement of a copyright infringement. It might actually be safer for the dream team this way than if the beta or alpha were posted. Or might not; I am sure the team would prefer to not find out the legal standing of this in a court of law.

As a side note, might be best if that Megaupload link were at least removed from the forums (if not removed from any connection what so ever).

Now on a totally and completely unrelated note, have a link to tag lines from the movie, Serenity: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Serenity_%28film%29#Taglines
Personally, I like the top one.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 19, 2011, 08:15:37 pm
Eh well, I nabbed it and backed it up, never to give out again.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 20, 2011, 01:34:26 am
Dude, I gotta say... I hope nothing bad happens. My heart goes out to Zeality and those that could be hurt the most for it. Personally, I would be surprised that if Square-Enix does take action. I feel like the CE situation has died down enough since then. And like Thought said, those guys still met the conditions of the Cease and Desist. They didn't release anything, nor did they authorize it.

However... That all being said. I think I can speak for everyone who never got to play CE: Buu, thank you. Welcome to the Compendium.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: buu700 on January 20, 2011, 02:30:59 am
 :)
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 20, 2011, 12:45:21 pm
So since I've heard that this version that Buu leaked is actually a finished version? What's different from the original--I haven't seen the playthrough in quite a while, and I don't want to play the game while watching the playthrough to figure it out--am I to assume that most of the differences are towards the end of the game, and that they aren't too severe? Or is it completely different?

...am I allowed to talk about that?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mauron on January 20, 2011, 03:37:11 pm
I've heard of two hacks continuing the work of CE - The known FoE (that always makes me think of a certain DC event) and the rather unknown work of another user.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 20, 2011, 04:00:00 pm
I take it the unknown other hack gives credit where it's due?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mauron on January 20, 2011, 04:08:12 pm
Not sure, I haven't played it.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 20, 2011, 06:07:53 pm
Wow! I missed all of this. I guess that's what happens when I get out of the loop. I can't say I'm surprised. There were a number of people who had access to the ROM during the later stages of development, and a smaller number (although still several) who had the Temporal Flux chops to finish things off, which would account for the post-98% version being leaked. I'm sad I don't have the inside scoop this time. When the original C&D came around, I knew everything that was going on. Now, I'm left to wonder like the rest of you.

A couple of notes:

1) The Chrono Compendium doesn't have anything to worry about. SE used up its leverage over this place back with the original C&D demand. We're out of the business of releasing unauthorized ROMs, and that is that. If SE wanted to take further action against our community, they'd have to sue, and now their case would be even flimsier than it would have been in 2009. It doesn't make sense for SE to sue people who don't have anything that it values.

2) I never knew about "Flames of Eternity." I would offer advice to the CE development team to be flattered, not offended. They ripped you off. That's how fans show their love. You ripped off the Dream Team. Don't you suppose Mr. Kato himself would be disappointed at CE in that it almost certainly doesn't match his own vision for the series? Now, you're on the other end of the stick. You're the ones who got ripped off. Take it as a compliment. And if the hacked hack is inferior to the original hack--which it almost certainly is, because CE is a surprisingly good game--then so much the better.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on January 20, 2011, 08:44:42 pm
...and in the bizarre news department, the user masato_kato has posted again at GameFAQs (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/563538-chrono-trigger/57440533/641494490).

Hey -- you never know.

EDIT: Well, now that I think about it some more, we might be able to get a better idea by pondering on whether native Japanese speakers often use http://imgur.com/ for hosting photos. There's also the question of whether the image the user signed off with is in the Compendium's archives. The user signed off with "Runmaru" last time too, but at that point both the Compendium and HardcoreGaming101 (by direct interview with Kato!) knew he had used that handle previously in game development.

I just love intrigue.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 20, 2011, 08:47:56 pm
GameFAQs has a special set of ranks for VIPs. It's very unlikely that this is a rogue posting from the peanut gallery by none other than Kato himself.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on January 20, 2011, 09:04:43 pm
True. It's just that I can't help but feel a pang of excitement over how badass it would be for Masato Kato himself to post from a regular GameFAQs account, directly carrying on conversations with fans of his games.

The only sample we have of Kato's English is his Hardcore Gaming 101 interview (http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/ninjagaiden/ninjagaiden9.htm) (and the GamePro Chrono Cross interviews IIRC), and it's much better there than in the GameFAQs posts. No clue whether these interviews would have gone through some translation processing by third parties though.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mauron on January 20, 2011, 09:17:04 pm
For the record, that account posted from GameSpot, not GameFAQs. I don't know what recognition statuses they have, but it might not show on GameFAQs.

He is however, a level 1 account (0%) there.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on January 20, 2011, 09:54:17 pm
I remember Vehek confirmed it was a new account back in 2009 too. Could he have re-registered, or would the "new" status carry over because the account hadn't posted between then and now, I wonder?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 20, 2011, 10:04:18 pm
One question: is the photo from anywhere else? Does anyone else recognize it?

I am going to assume it's him simply for hope's sake.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: utunnels on January 20, 2011, 10:35:26 pm
That picture was once posted by Kato a while back on his twitter IIRC.
However, it didn't mean anything since anyone else could re-upload the picture.

#-----------------

My opinion, if the picture was really a newly drawn one, it could be exciting. Otherwise, it looks like someone tried to get whatever was available to trick us.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on January 20, 2011, 11:25:54 pm
Jeez, I thought I was pretty hepped up on Kato's work, but even I don't follow his Twitter account that closely. Even assuming it's not actually him, I just want to meet the person responsible for those posts. I mean, a lot of us would be too busy trading Kato-isms with that person to be angry.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 20, 2011, 11:37:11 pm
This "Kato" is sort of becoming our Harvey Dent. Whether or not s/he is authentic and true to the values proclaimed, the image of this "Kato" is a rallying point in morale for the Chrono fans. That may be a little strong of explaining the situation (as in, I wouldn't quite call "Kato" a rallying point), but either way this is inspiring news!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: utunnels on January 20, 2011, 11:42:05 pm
Jeez, I thought I was pretty hepped up on Kato's work, but even I don't follow his Twitter account that closely. Even assuming it's not actually him, I just want to meet the person responsible for those posts. I mean, a lot of us would be too busy trading Kato-isms with that person to be angry.

At least, we got that picture. XD
It was not available since his twitter was closed.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on January 20, 2011, 11:43:48 pm
Oh! That's what I was just going to ask. I couldn't find it either; I found a Tweet someone posted to @masa0009 and it led to a dead/closed account. I wonder when that happened? I think masa0009 (or masa009) was his account?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: utunnels on January 20, 2011, 11:51:29 pm
It has been months...
I don't usually check twitter since I have to proxy it.

BTW, it was masa0099
 http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,3951.msg193784.html#msg193784
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Clovis15 on January 21, 2011, 12:10:28 am
Here's my thoughts on everything:

A) I Really hope the fallout of this doesn't cause Square-Enix to decide that - since the Cease & Desist against releasing it was technically ignored - they need to in the future take a more slash and burn stance with their fans and stop everyone from making anything just to make sure something like this never happens again.

B) The user over at GameFAQs named "Jowy Blight XXVIII" is, if you'll pardon the language, being a Grade A Douchebag (TM). Whether or not he knows the proverbial 'friend of a friend' (of which it seems highly unlikely), he doesn't seem to know the first thing about ettiquette or sound arguing. My advice to him would be to stop being a Douchebag, and also learn how to write a coherent sentence, if you ever want anyone to take you seriously. I am very sorry you have to put with someone acting like that at a time like this.

C) Somehow, I excessively doubt this is the real Masato Kato.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 21, 2011, 12:14:09 am
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,3951.msg193784.html#msg193784
^ Doesn't work for me.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on January 21, 2011, 12:17:55 am
It does work for me if I click on it directly. It's in "Current Events" if you have to search for it manually Katie Skyye; just gotatsu linking to the Twitter account in question.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Acacia Sgt on January 21, 2011, 12:23:37 am
Here's my thoughts on everything:

A) I Really hope the fallout of this doesn't cause Square-Enix to decide that - since the Cease & Desist against releasing it was technically ignored - they need to in the future take a more slash and burn stance with their fans and stop everyone from making anything just to make sure something like this never happens again.

B) The user over at GameFAQs named "Jowy Blight XXVIII" is, if you'll pardon the language, being a Grade A Douchebag (TM). Whether or not he knows the proverbial 'friend of a friend' (of which it seems highly unlikely), he doesn't seem to know the first thing about ettiquette or sound arguing. My advice to him would be to stop being a Douchebag, and also learn how to write a coherent sentence, if you ever want anyone to take you seriously. I am very sorry you have to put with someone acting like that at a time like this.

C) Somehow, I excessively doubt this is the real Masato Kato.

A) Indeed, it'd be very bad. However, I don't think they could really turn into those drastic methods? That could probably bring them a bad image. Taking into account that other companies haven't gone that far for the fanprojects of their games as well.

B) Agree on that. He seems so sure of himself being right... I hope he's just bluffing about contacting SE, if by actually doing so will mean some bad stuff to come.

c) Well, yeah, just suddenly posting and using his actual game... yeah, can bring some doubt. But if it really isn't Kato, well, it does seem well elaborated for a hoax especially considering the linked image and 'Runmaru' sign and that, and I have no idea about the  Japanese in there... who knows...
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 21, 2011, 02:00:24 am
Well, if that happens, Jared Loughner will have a new target dummy -- that being someone who's actually guilty for once.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 21, 2011, 06:54:06 pm
I had to figure out what was going on over there and being discussed...

So someone is claiming that Buu is actually Zeality, and that he faked (with other Compendium management) the C&D to build massive support for Crimson Echoes...? So this was all a publicity stunt.

I am going to assume on good faith that this is untrue, despite the silence from Zeality and the others since the leak found it's way out. Also, when I called Square Enix corporate May 2009 and asked about it, they said that they do not make public comments on any business matter. The number I called is saved on my phone still (although I don't know if it still works 1-310-846-0400). So if this is all a sham, then Square Enix actually helped you, hahaha...

If it was all a con, then it's a damn fine one that has obviously long been in the making. However, I think I'll feel a bit taken advantage of by those doing it. But heck, I'll quickly be happy again, because I'm finally playing Crimson Echoes!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 21, 2011, 07:13:10 pm
Come now, Boo. It's not a publicity stunt. I have no idea if the new leak was caused by ZeaLitY or anyone else on the dev team (as opposed to some random beta tester), but I can definitely attest that the Cease & Desist demand was genuine; I talked to one of their lawyers myself during that time. It doesn't matter what "someone" is claiming. People can make stupid claims on any subject. See: Religion. I can claim that Masato Kato visited me in a dream and revealed to me the plot for the next Chrono game, but I'd be lying.

Julius Caesar said, "What [people] wish, they like to believe." Perhaps you're not being clear-minded about this because you'd like to believe that SE isn't putting the kabosh on fan projects. But if all this were a publicity stunt, I'd say the dev team has done a bad job of building a wellspring of popular support, given that the Compendium practically killed Kajar Labs (which had a bad effect on several Chrono fan projects), and even constrained discussion on Crimson Echoes and the technical aspects of its development. Look at the CE walkthrough vids on YouTube; most of the videos haven't been commented on in a year.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 21, 2011, 07:33:29 pm
Lord J, thanks for the encouraging words, but my post didn't make sense like I intended... Please forgive me; I just re-read it and saw how it sounded (accusatory). However, I'm not going to edit that post, rather, I'll create this one.

First I paraphrased the situation (Para. 1 and 2). Next I stated my experience in the matter (Para. 3) For the record, I don't actually think that any of that hogwash is true; in my opinion, there are too many holes in the story for it to be true. In fact, I doubt any of us Compendiumites think that it's true. However, stranger things have happened, so I won't say with 100% probability that it wasn't all a "con".

Ultimately the point of the post was what was meant to be a meaningful conclusion: who cares. If it's true or isn't, what ultimately matters is that we now have Crimson Echoes in the hands of those who deserve it: the fans. I just hope that in doing so those who gave it to us don't suffer for it.

Edit: And I just used "ultimately" twice back to back. Shame on me and for not reading my posts before I place them.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Yourgingerestfan on January 22, 2011, 03:44:23 pm
Boo , you said your playing it , so that means Buu's link is real right ?

I don't really want to check it myself ...it could be a rick roll ? XD

I don't really know what to say though , nobody ever wants the compendium to get into trouble we'll have to wait and see what happens.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 22, 2011, 03:59:38 pm
Gingerest, the links were real. This was a genuine leak/release. Essentially there are two versions (from my understanding). One is the Flames of Eternity, and the other is a more complete version of the beta (with new tech's, although there are still some typo's here and there and Frog remains a frog and not a human). I've also heard that the last sections of the game are completely separate with drastically different endings.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 22, 2011, 04:55:10 pm
Really? The ending of CE was practically the best part of the game. Do you just mean the very ending, after the final boss? Or do you mean the whole final dungeons sequence and final boss?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Clovis15 on January 22, 2011, 05:00:41 pm
A) Indeed, it'd be very bad. However, I don't think they could really turn into those drastic methods? That could probably bring them a bad image. Taking into account that other companies haven't gone that far for the fanprojects of their games as well.

While companies will often try to cast a semi-blind eye to the fans that feed them, it's not entirely true that there aren't companies/people suing fans for doing much less than what the Compendium was doing back then. Rather than give a complete break down of all the cases, I'll just go to one of the more infamous incidents to have actually transpired. In 2000 - Anne Rice, creator of the Vampire Chronicles - had legal restraining orders sent to any place that carried fanfiction based on her works (she skipped the C&D step), and her stance on the matter has not changed once since.* So while it might not be the norm, it's fully doable for Square-Enix to decide they're tired of having fan tributes popping up and deciding the best course of action is to just burn it all off at the root once and for all.

* Do not get the impression that I used to be a fan, I have never liked Vampire stories.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 22, 2011, 05:09:45 pm
Anne Rice needs to get off her time of the month it seems.......
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 22, 2011, 05:19:17 pm
Anne Rice needs to get off her time of the month it seems.......

That's outrageous. Could it possibly be the case that her views on fanfiction don't have anything to do with her being a female?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 22, 2011, 05:21:13 pm
True.... but people like that probably deserve to be condescended.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Clovis15 on January 22, 2011, 05:23:20 pm
The part that most bothers is me that often when companies do this, they actually are aware of the fact that the fans have a legal right to defend themselves... but can't afford to. Crimson Echoes may well have been defendable in court, but Square-Enix knew they'd never have to worry about that as no one in their right mind would be paying the legal fees to defend that as they don't have that kind of money (and if they did, they probably would have just offered Square-Enix the money up front before they ever started development). In our legal system you don't have to be in the right at all, you just have to know that the opposition is too poor to be right.

If Square-Enix decided to trample all Chrono fans at a once it would certainly be a black mark against them, and they would lose some customers, and yet being a total bitch for 10 years running so far hasn't stopped enough of Anne Rice's fans from continuining to read her to actually make a significant impact.

Anyways, that's why this leak scares me. If you get a company angry enough...
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 22, 2011, 05:24:27 pm
True.... but people like that probably deserve to be condescended.

Sure. On the merits. You can't just tap into a deep-seated vein of cultural bigotry because you don't like a person's views on something. If you do it anyway, do you know what that makes you? It makes you a bigot. Haven't you been on the receiving end of enough bigotry to want to prevent yourself from participating in it?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 22, 2011, 05:27:06 pm
I just think people like this need to be shot...........I just have no incentive to throw my life away.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 22, 2011, 05:41:58 pm
The part that most bothers is me that often when companies do this, they actually are aware of the fact that the fans have a legal right to defend themselves... but can't afford to.

You have a partial point here. That is a factor in corporate legal policymaking. They often take a heavy-handed approach knowing that their victims have no recourse to pay for legal costs as they accrue, nor the capacity to afford to lose the case and be saddled with fines and further court costs. Big companies, on the other hand, have whole departments dedicated to taking people to court, and can afford the occasional loss. It's a very different level of risk for them than for individuals and small businesses, and they know it--and they abuse that disparity. In this much you are quite correct, and it speaks to our need for legal reform in this country.

On the other hand...it's probably not the case that under current intellectual property laws Crimson Echoes would have been able to defend itself. I guess it depends on what you would imagine a successful defense to entail. SE probably wouldn't have been able to shut down the Compendium permanently, but the Compendium almost certainly wouldn't have been able to retain the right to continue to distribute CE as it had been. I think the best outcome would have been for our lawyers--had we had any--to negotiate some kind of settlement. SE pretty much killed a feature-length video game in a popular franchise that it spent zero dollars to develop. With legal gravitas on our side, perhaps we could have persuaded them to agree to develop the game further and release it as a commercial title. Perhaps that might have happened through negotiation, but it would not have happened in court. In court, I don't think CE had a chance.

Anyways, that's why this leak scares me. If you get a company angry enough...

If you want to see real corporate evil on this front, check out these copyright trolls:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/09/righthavens-own-brand-copyright-trolling

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I just think people like this need to be shot...........I just have no incentive to throw my life away.

You think she should be shot because she takes an authoritarian view of protecting her property rights? Yeah, I guess that might be slightly more offensive than saying she has those views in the first place because she's a female on her period.

Hey, word of advice: If you are trying to be an asshole, you are doing a very good job of it. If that isn't your intention, I can only appeal to your common sense and ask you to put some thought into your comments before you make them.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Clovis15 on January 22, 2011, 06:01:45 pm
I actually wasn't saying that CE would have survived in court, I was just saying it wouldn't have mattered whether the law had been on its side or not due to the disparity of justice being attached to who has more money (Square-Enix). However, I can see how it might have looked as if I was.

Also, I hate patent trolling with a burning passion. Those who file vaguely worded patents, with no intentions of ever adding anything to this world, just so that they can rape people later on who make something for real... REALLY SHOULD BE SHOT. They are literally trying to be parasites.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Clovis15 on January 22, 2011, 06:04:48 pm
Oh my god, I just finished reading your link... those people are - best put - the devil himself.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 22, 2011, 07:06:50 pm
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Really? The ending of CE was practically the best part of the game. Do you just mean the very ending, after the final boss? Or do you mean the whole final dungeons sequence and final boss?

I'm not sure. It's what I read in the Gamefaqs forum. Once again, as you stated, not everything stated is genuine or true (this especially holds true on the internet). I fired up one version and I'm not very far yet... This is the mostly-finished beta/alpha release with the new tech's and Glenn as a frog still. It has the new tech's Faustwolf showcased before the Cease and Desist (which, from my understanding isn't the version Flames of Eternity obtained and "completed".

It's safe to assume that the version I am playing was completed in secret my those allied with the Compendium (or at least the creator's vision of the game). I will keep you updated.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 22, 2011, 07:26:16 pm
Oh my god, I just finished reading your link... those people are - best put - the devil himself.

Righthaven is indisputably heinous, yes. Evil, even. But at least they will be humbled in time, due to their abuses. They've already lost a case that has caused them to rein in some of their worst excesses.

Rather, the thing that is more disturbing to me than malicious copyright trolling is the fact that many people choose to submit in confrontations like these, where the act of submission has a chilling effect on free speech. And their reason? Why would people choose such a terrible surrender? Because of their personal cowardice, and nothing else.

I've seen this many times over the years. People talk a good game about the value of free speech to them, but, when faced with a true crisis, most are cowards about it. They'd give up free speech in a heartbeat if they think resistance would cost them money or cause them inconvenience. This is how tyranny prevails in human civilization. Even when one's physical safety is not at risk, such as in the case of intellectual property disputes in America, people will still choose to submit in the face of injustice if they stand to lose social status, property, or mere comfort. Some will submit even when there is no credible threat at all.

Most people are not worthy of the great gift of free speech. Most people have nothing to say, nor any desire to promote justice. Most people want nothing more than to preserve and advance themselves.

I saw a lot of that in the aftermath of Square Enix's C&D demand on Crimson Echoes. Some of the people commenting in the public threads were saying that we should disregard SE entirely and continue to distribute the game, thereby demonstrating their obliviousness to the legal ramifications of such a course of action. That kind of attitude is run-of-the-mill stupidity. But others were saying that we should capitulate entirely. They were very upset at the worst-case scenario prospects of a Compendium shutdown, hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal damages, and the complete demise of fan game projects under the Squeenix umbrella--even though the worst-case scenario was extremely unlikely, and, even if it did come to pass, would barely affect them.

I have little respect or patience for people who are that abjectly submissive. People are so quick to throw their principles out the window when confronted by even a minor threat. The educational system in this country has not done a good job of instilling into people a passion for the right to free speech. But perhaps the task is impossible. Perhaps many or most people are incapable of grasping such high passion. I hope I'm wrong.

Sometimes, you have to be willing to defend yourself. People who stand for nothing are worth nothing. I imagine that living a life of such submissiveness would be torturous. Cowardice is its own punishment.

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It's safe to assume that the version I am playing was completed in secret my those allied with the Compendium (or at least the creator's vision of the game).

I don't think it's productive to speculate on who made the leak, given that we know Square Enix will view the leak unfavorably. The CE video walkthrough was complete enough that it could have inspired anybody with access to a late version of the ROM. If the leaked version is true to the artistic vision of the development team, then as an artist and a writer I'm glad for that, but I wouldn't assume for a moment that any of the team leaked it themselves. Why? Because SE has made it problematic for the development team if such a thing were to be true. SE has shut down communication with the fan community short of legal threats, and they're not going to change their position because they do not have the vision to recognize the benefit in doing so.

We, therefore, having complied with their insultingly over-the-top C&D demand in 2009, owe SE nothing further. Let them do their own dirty work of prosecuting their most devoted fans. I was just talking about the value of free speech. Well, if Crimson Echoes is the free speech at issue here, then the community can do a little bit, at no cost to ourselves, to protect that free speech by not speculating as to who finished developing it and who leaked it. It doesn't matter. CE stands by itself as a work of art, regardless of how it came to be here.

I will keep you updated.

That'd be great. I don't have time to play it for myself, so it'd be nice to learn whether the ending of the leaked version is consistent with the vision of the development team.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 22, 2011, 07:53:59 pm
If people want to own stuff, they need to keep it to themselves, otherwise they need to shut up and get out of their "MINE!" phase
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Acacia Sgt on January 22, 2011, 08:14:04 pm
I will keep you updated.

That'd be great. I don't have time to play it for myself, so it'd be nice to learn whether the ending of the leaked version is consistent with the vision of the development team.

Indeed. I won't deny I'm curious about the detals of this leaked patch. From what it is mentioned in Reddit, it does have some changed/added details... though nothing is mentioned about the ending from what I remember. Maybe I should check again or something, just to be sure.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 22, 2011, 08:15:27 pm
If people want to own stuff, they need to keep it to themselves, otherwise they need to shut up and get out of their "MINE!" phase

The commercialization of intellectual property is in the foundations of an Information Age economy. What alternative work would you propose artists and industrialists do to earn a living if they cannot profit from the sale and license of their intellectual property and its products?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 22, 2011, 08:19:30 pm
They turn sharing into a crime.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 22, 2011, 08:25:32 pm
They turn sharing into a crime.

So, let's find a more reasonable statement of policy. What would you have people do in between the endpoints of your previous implication that they should not be able to profit from their intellectual property at all, and the present reality where fair use is severely limited on pain of harsh legal penalties?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 22, 2011, 08:27:55 pm
Well with the way the world is going, I give the world half a century before we start suing starving, dying children in Africa.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 22, 2011, 08:30:21 pm
Well with the way the world is going, I give the world half a century before we start suing starving, dying children in Africa.

Suppose it didn't have to turn out that way. What would we have to do differently to keep that from happening, without unintentionally making things worse?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 22, 2011, 08:31:59 pm
For me there's a difference between taking something from a store without paying for it, and deciding to make something inspired by something else.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Clovis15 on January 22, 2011, 11:00:14 pm
At this point you enter into the dilemma of expiration into public domain, something our country USED TO HAVE. For this matter, you probably want to start getting angry at Disney. It all began when Steamboat Willy, the first film to start Mickey Mouse, was set to expire into public domain in the late 80's; as a reaction to this, Dinsey pulled string and bullshit to get all copyrights extended again. They then did this again around 2000, and will be doing it again around 2020. So long as Disney's lawyers bribe copyrights into infinity, the situation will never improve. The original structure of a system was that the original author would exclusively hold all rights to an idea for a certain period of time, and then after that period of time was over the idea would belong to the people; however, the Disney coporation has made it their personal agenda that the length of time be extended into forever (and they currently have it at 100 years).
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 22, 2011, 11:08:46 pm
So if Steamboat Willy become public domain, would only that rendition of Mickey Mouse be fair use?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 22, 2011, 11:11:29 pm
What about the Simpsons parody, Steamboat Itchy?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 22, 2011, 11:17:40 pm
So if Steamboat Willy become public domain, would only that rendition of Mickey Mouse be fair use?

The short answer is "yes." Derivative works (when they are legal) get their own copyright. With regard to Mickey Mouse in particular, Disney might argue that, as its chief mascot, Mickey deserves trademark protection, but that wouldn't apply to Disney's creative property in general. And, given the spheres of bullshit in which lawyers for corporates that big are able to operate, who really knows what arguments they would ultimately make in court?

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What about the Simpsons parody, Steamboat Itchy?

Works of parody are generally covered under the fair use provisions of IP law. Almost every episode of The Simpsons is full of ripoffs like that.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on January 23, 2011, 02:03:37 am
Derivative works should be legal. To stifle inspiration, especially when it's non-profit, is counterproductive and well..............you can't spell 'flaw' without 'law.'
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Thought on January 23, 2011, 02:48:38 am
It isn't that derivative works (in the lay-sense of the word) are illegal, it is that derivative works (in the law-sense of the word) are. Which is to say, you are free to write your Vampire Diaries FanFiction, change the names, and publish it for profit (well, you have to do a little more than just change the names, but you get the idea). That is why Dungeons and Dragons can have Halflings without the Tolkien estate kicking their ass.

The problem with non-profit inspiration that is derived from for-profit creativity is that it becomes a form of competition. Of course, the problem with SE is that currently there isn't anything for Crimson Echoes to compete with. But when taken on a smaller scale, with authors and individuals rather than corporations, it is less likely that there will be a lack of competition. Protecting the individual from competition with, essentially, themselves promotes production by enabling skilled artists and the sort to make a living off their work.

Of course, then there are cases like with H.P. Lovecraft, but that really seems to be more of an argument for short-term restrictions rather than long term ones.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: BROJ on January 23, 2011, 02:49:11 am
For any beta testers, friends of beta testers, and so on, leak = ban, and the Compendium can't really protect you if SE subpoenas your name or decides to prosecute. We will document to the best of our ability who's thinking about leaking. Even a fake leak = ban. You were asked to comply with the C&D and warned.
Serious question here: why hasn't buu700 been banned yet (or any other further action)? If you guys are trying to dispel suspicion, you have an odd way of doing it.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Acacia Sgt on January 23, 2011, 03:01:37 am
I'd guess it's because he is only telling that there was a leak?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: ZeaLitY on January 23, 2011, 03:18:04 am
Yeah. He's not the beta tester or group that leaked the original copy. Can't really punish people for enthusiasm over the leak...
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 23, 2011, 12:40:02 pm
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Yeah. He's not the beta tester or group that leaked the original copy. Can't really punish people for enthusiasm over the leak...

And you know that for fact? You've looked at IP addresses, etc.? Just curious. Things have been... weird since the leak.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: BROJ on January 23, 2011, 01:11:51 pm
Yeah. He's not the beta tester or group that leaked the original copy. Can't really punish people for enthusiasm over the leak...
Let's start with I'm not accusing anyone; frankly, I'm not even suspicious of anyone.

But, he is, or has, actively spreading the leak. I just think you aren't taking a hard enough line on this. Not very long ago, you would have banned this guy.

It just doesn't make sense. The guy could, in theory, be the original leaker, and simply covering his ass with BS stories, and you completely trust him--hell you even condone his spreading of the leak by saying he is at no fault.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Ramsus on January 23, 2011, 01:40:45 pm
Yeah. He's not the beta tester or group that leaked the original copy. Can't really punish people for enthusiasm over the leak...
Let's start with I'm not accusing anyone; frankly, I'm not even suspicious of anyone.

But, he is, or has, actively spreading the leak. I just think you aren't taking a hard enough line on this. Not very long ago, you would have banned this guy.

It just doesn't make sense. The guy could, in theory, be the original leaker, and simply covering his ass with BS stories, and you completely trust him--hell you even condone his spreading of the leak by saying he is at no fault.

Last year's banning spree had an extremely detrimental effect on the community. Since then, I've asked the admins to hold off on banning people whenever possible.

The strict bans were only necessary to comply with the cease and desist by preventing anyone who could be considered a part of Kajar Labs or a member of the site from leaking the game. Without any way of tracing this new leak back to a former member of the site, we're left without anyone to ban, and banning someone who was never a member of the site before and can't be linked to any previous accounts by location or IP address is rather pointless.

Nevertheless, anyone who posts information on how to obtain this new leak or provides this leak through the forums will be warned, then banned if they persist. And if we find the origin of the leak, that person will be banned as well.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 23, 2011, 01:51:32 pm
Here's another question: what are Agent12, Chrono99, and Zeality's stance on the leak? Obviously, they have the most to lose for it's unofficial release. I have freely admitted to downloading it and playing, although I haven't spread the files (nor do I have any intention of doing so; if someone wants the files they can find them another way). However, I respect their opinions and and want to abide by their wishes. Obviously they can't support the leak (involved or otherwise), however, is it appropriate, in their eyes, for us to even be playing it? Any clarity on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Yourgingerestfan on January 24, 2011, 05:30:28 pm
Alot of gaming sites have been saying this is not the 98% version ...but the 99% version.

Im unsure as to how anyone would know the difference ...Nobody has actually ever played the game till this leak :S
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Acacia Sgt on January 24, 2011, 09:22:43 pm
Alot of gaming sites have been saying this is not the 98% version ...but the 99% version.

Im unsure as to how anyone would know the difference ...Nobody has actually ever played the game till this leak :S

99% version? Was there such a thing... or do they mean that with the slight edits they claim it has, they're unofficially labeling it as '99% Complete'?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Yourgingerestfan on January 25, 2011, 04:37:57 am
Thats the confusing thing , there claiming its the 99% version even though no ones ever seen it xD
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: ZealKnight on January 25, 2011, 08:48:41 am
Last year's banning spree had an extremely detrimental effect on the community. Since then, I've asked the admins to hold off on banning people whenever possible.

The strict bans were only necessary to comply with the cease and desist by preventing anyone who could be considered a part of Kajar Labs or a member of the site from leaking the game. Without any way of tracing this new leak back to a former member of the site, we're left without anyone to ban, and banning someone who was never a member of the site before and can't be linked to any previous accounts by location or IP address is rather pointless.

Nevertheless, anyone who posts information on how to obtain this new leak or provides this leak through the forums will be warned, then banned if they persist. And if we find the origin of the leak, that person will be banned as well.

I'm pretty sure Ramsus just made everything clear. Maybe someone should put this on the news feed. The compendium has it's stance on Flames of Eternity. (although it feels obvious) SquareEnix, in it's infinite inexplicable unjustifiable hate towards its fans, can't do much to anyone on the Compendium if the Compendium follows through with this.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: xcalibur on January 26, 2011, 11:40:48 am
First of all, I'd like to say that I'm delighted that this creative work is being expressed. I haven't played it yet, but from what I've seen, it would be a travesty to waste this accomplishment. What's the point of a painting if no one ever looks at it?

Second, I do express concern for the creators who stand to lose alot. Though I think that the leak is for the greater good, I wouldn't wish ruin on you guys. I would not trade your lives for a CE release if that choice was given to me. Hopefully things will work out and win will be had all around.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mr Bekkler on January 26, 2011, 03:50:20 pm
I've been following this very closely, and reported the thread when it had the link because I wanted to make sure Zeality knew about it, then I got on IRC to see if Ramsus was on, he was, and hadn't heard about it so I told him. I really didn't want the Compendium to just disappear.

But it's been a little bit of time, and as far as I know the links were removed. The Compendium was and is still complying with the notice, officially. Square Enix got a lot of bad press for the CnD in the first place. It would be quite stupid of them to make a move on the original developers now. Especially since they were not at fault.

Look at the OTHER hack. Flames of 'YE'ternity* has been very public, they have had videos on youtube for a long time. you could google the name (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=flames+of+eternity) and their intentions were stated as "finishing CE our way and also fuck the Compendium", forgive my paraphrasing but that's pretty much what they've been saying. They haven't received any legal consequences. What I'm saying is hopefully the Compendium will be okay. That means everyone here, especially the devs.

*For ye explanation of YEternity, go to ye 6:57 in this video and ye shall see for yeself.
[youtube]lRMrQywk0oU[/youtube]
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 26, 2011, 04:26:25 pm
Yeesh!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Thought on January 26, 2011, 05:01:12 pm
Wait the what? Did they turn Glenn/Frog into a Scottish dwarf stereotype?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Sajainta on January 27, 2011, 01:48:52 am
...I don't get it.  If they're trying to keep his speech "formal" or attempting to stick with the original English translation, then why didn't they stick with the "thou" and "thee" stuff instead of just inserting "ye" everywhere?  I'm no linguist, but wouldn't "Thou belongst in the castle...  Thy true home and where thou'st needed most." sound better and more like Frog's original speech than what they have, which is essentially "YE YE YE YE YE YE" ??  "Ye true home" doesn't even make grammatical sense.  "You true home" ?

/English major blather
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Dark3mx on January 27, 2011, 02:50:36 am
Been a LONG time since I've posted here... But, I started the Flames of Eternity project, I got a team together, then dropped from it back in May of 2010 because someone was trying to take everything over and change the game in a VERY dynamic aspect. The last thing I touched, was on the newly leaked Crimson Echoes. There was an infinite looping bug if you failed the "Frog Catching Challenge". But eh, I'm not too big on the coding thing anymore. I do a few bug fixes here and there when I'm needed, but I mostly stay out of the scene.

Back in 2009, soon after the C&D, I do recall talking to JP. (where I got a copy of his tech editor from :P) and he said not to put too much effort into my project, because Crimson Echoes wasn't dead just yet. Seems he was correct. It was either him, or our (the FoE team's) "rival" who leaked it. The rival, was doing a CE restore project, coding ONLY what was seen in the 98% beta on the CEmemorial, so as to stay true to the Crimson Echoes story.

So, if you (rival) completed this. I commend you. A great job well done. You just should have fixed that frog catching loop so I didn't have to :P
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Clovis15 on January 27, 2011, 06:41:49 pm
I definitely did not expect anyone involved with either leak in any capacity to actually post in this thread.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Clovis15 on January 27, 2011, 09:17:23 pm
I'm sorry if what I'm about to say is going to come off as harsh, but it has to be said:

I know you were merely seeking to give people the game they had been looking forward to for so long, yet got denied at the last second by Square-Enix, but did you ever stop to consider that this was an endeavor more selfish than generous? It's all well and good to finish it and leak it in secret somewhere off from the sidelines when you aren't the ones that Square-Enix promised they would bend over devilishly in court, if any ills come from your actions then it won't befall you when the shit comes raining down. Why would you ever care about Zeality, or anyone else at this site, so long as you get to let everyone play a close facsimilie of the 98% version of the game? I think you in your zeal to save the day, you forgot to perform a brain check.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Dark3mx on January 27, 2011, 11:29:19 pm
I actually made it VERY clear in one of the threads here, that the FoE project was in no way, shape, or form, affiliated or endorsed by the Chrono Compendium, Kajar Laboratories, or the Crimson Echoes team.

I did not leak anything. In all honesty, the FoE project was as open source as it could possibly get. We started with the early alpha build that got leaked onto the net soon after the C&D. From then on, we started posting updates to the progress, and let other people have their hands on the game to do as they will.

Again, I had NOTHING to do with the leak of either the early alpha OR the 98% completed version now. The only thing I am/was associated with, is the early development of Flames of Eternity.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 27, 2011, 11:33:15 pm
As I say, what's done is done.

Now let's all go enjoy CE in all it's glory. :)
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: ZealKnight on January 28, 2011, 01:06:09 am
A New Challenger has Entered the Ring! I don't know if we should download it. I'm actually wondering if the CE team is ok with the compendium playing it. I mean it is their work.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 28, 2011, 01:08:48 am
I have wondered the same things... But you know what, it's still THEIR game no matter who released it... And surely there's some bit of pride in knowing that we're actually enjoying THEIR game now. So unless they actually take a stance upon it's release (thus far they've been mum), I'm going to keep enjoying it. I even said (earlier in this thread) that if their wishes were for us to not play it or something, that I would comply. However, silence leaves plenty of opportunity in the meantime. :)
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mr Bekkler on January 28, 2011, 01:48:09 am
Here, here! (Hear, hear!?) Boo has said enough for all of us. Let's try to quietly consider ourselves (the hardcore Chrono fans) lucky for once.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lady Marle on January 28, 2011, 02:32:50 am
I'm kind of with multiple people on this one for both arguments. I am mixed with "OMGYAY!" and "Oh shit, is everyone going to be okay from those who created Crimson Echoes?"

Personally speaking... I was reading over some old posts on the compendium and looking at all the projects that have been made that either were abandoned for XYZ reason, especially the really potentially great ones SE shut down because of them being greedy little money hungry bastards who won't let their fans expand on their games like Capcom or make new ones with beloved classics but beat the Final Fantasy series like a dead horse copyright infringements, like Crimson Echoes and Chrono Trigger Resurrection, it makes me wonder cause all of those projects were of free design... not anyone getting paid to do it. So... it cost SE more money to pay someone to draw up the C&D letters and mail them to the fan-game creators then it actually did to make the fan games... But I guess what do I know?


*For ye explanation of YEternity, go to ye 6:57 in this video and ye shall see for yeself.
As for that... go one way or the other. If you want to keep Frog/Glenn's speech as per the original SNES English version then get a person who knows proper Shakespearean dialect... not add "Ye" at every turn... I mean even in the proper translation he uses some European English Speaking countries dialect and slang (i.e. Using "Aye" for yes... If you want more references let me go back over the DS version and I'll list some more here.) but not YE all the time. ._. And the "ye're" reminds me of Kid ^^;;
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 29, 2011, 12:46:25 am
I wouldn't say that it costs more to pay someone to research, write up, and send off the C&D letters. I mean, they have a salaried legal staff, so it's not like they're actually paying any extra to pursue their "legal rights". Probably the only thing they are out is 44 cents for the stamp.

In their mind the fangames represent a threat: a potential loss on an intellectual property they rightfully own. People may be more loyal or more inclined to feel attached to a fangame to continue on a legacy. I also think that Square Enix is aware at just how rabid the Chrono fanbase is. Chrono doesn't sell as many as Final Fantasy games, but the Chrono fans are a stronger, more outspoken, head strong group hellbent on seeing the Chronoverse live on. They are so fervent that they have spawned at least two professional-grade fangames. I mean, how many completed, professional-level Final Fantasy fangames are floating around out there? Final Fantasy: Endless Nova is the only completed fangame I am aware of.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Clovis15 on January 29, 2011, 06:19:56 pm
Having new official games regularly helps to greatly diminish the drive for a fangame to complete, so there's that factor too.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 29, 2011, 08:03:30 pm
Aye. The Final Fantasy fanbase is larger than the Chrono fanbase, and the franchise is continually refreshed. Were Final Fantasy to go the way of Chrono, you would see a core of diehards emerge that is larger than our own.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: ZealKnight on January 29, 2011, 09:45:06 pm
Does Final Fantasy have it's own center for its fanbase? I have no idea where to find the Final Fantasy Community. They don't seem very strongly knit. However, not like they need to be. With three different Final Fantasy titles in development at all times.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 29, 2011, 10:22:51 pm
It's probably too big to be a very tightly-knit community. But you can find aspects of the community in society everywhere. There's a Final Fantasy gallery at Deviant Art. There are musicians on YouTube who perform Final Fantasy music. And of course there's Uncle Ulty's 1337 Barbecue, on the corner of 5th and Vargas. I recommend the Tentacle, a four-ton, gut-busting work of art guaranteed to inflict a status effect of Stuffed.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Thought on January 30, 2011, 03:28:46 am
A minor disadvantage of the FF fanbase is that there is no clear course for a fangame to take. All things Chronoish serve to expand the existing canon. But for FF, a series in which true sequels are until recently an anathema? If fans created a "FF XC" in what way would that be a continuation of the series rather than an unrelated game? And if the fans created a sequel to FFVI, while such a sequel now is conceivable, it would not constitute a game in the main tradition of the series.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 30, 2011, 04:39:01 am
Not to derail the Final Fantasy/Square conversation, but I'm noticing some...oddities in the game. Not that anyone will go fix these bugs or anything...just though I'd mention them because I happened to notice them. :P

So...I was getting stomped by the Chimera tank. So I RAN AWAY. And the tank exploded and the game acted as if I won. And the plot advanced.

...WHAT.

And later, in the Ocean Palace Ruins, I fought that first Panel/Martello fight, and trying to use Steel Crash caused the game to freeze. The music played and the smoke effects continued, but my party members and enemies ceased all movement.

And occasionally it forgets that you saved.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Sajainta on January 30, 2011, 05:44:45 am
What system are you playing it on?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lennis on January 30, 2011, 05:50:26 am
As for that... go one way or the other. If you want to keep Frog/Glenn's speech as per the original SNES English version then get a person who knows proper Shakespearean dialect... not add "Ye" at every turn... I mean even in the proper translation he uses some European English Speaking countries dialect and slang (i.e. Using "Aye" for yes... If you want more references let me go back over the DS version and I'll list some more here.) but not YE all the time. ._. And the "ye're" reminds me of Kid ^^;;

I did just a little research on the subject of archaic English, and it was a big help.  "Ye" is typically used formally or to address a group of superiors.  "You" is used to address an individual superior, or someone of greater social status.  To address a superior using "Thou" and "Thee" was considered extremely disrespectful, and addressing a judge in this way was considered grounds for contempt.  But using "Ye" for everything is clearly not proper usage.  The SNES Chrono Trigger didn't get everything right, either.  The line "Mine name is Glenn." is incorrect.  Because the word after the subject begins with a consonant, the line should read: "My name is Glenn."  "Mine" is used only before a vowel sound, such as "Mine eyes" or "Mine enemy".  It's not essential to be 100% accurate in using an archaic tongue, so long as it follows the basic rules and is consistant throughout your writing.  I typically use the word "be" as a substitute for "is", such as: "But this be not the place for Vagabonds" or "Be she hurt?"  This does not follow any Shakesperian rule I've read, but it adds a bit of flavor to the dialogue and makes "Old Guardanian" a little more distinctive.

Here are a few links people may find useful: (fan-fiction authors and game-makers should bookmark these)

http://dan.tobias.name/frivolity/archaic-grammar.html

http://everything2.com/title/If+you%2527re+going+to+speak+archaic+English%252C+use+it+correctly%2521

http://www.unilang.org/wiki/index.php/Introducing_Archaic_English

http://phrontistery.info/archaic.html
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: hiddensquire on January 30, 2011, 09:23:42 am
Not to derail the Final Fantasy/Square conversation, but I'm noticing some...oddities in the game. Not that anyone will go fix these bugs or anything...just though I'd mention them because I happened to notice them. :P

So...I was getting stomped by the Chimera tank. So I RAN AWAY. And the tank exploded and the game acted as if I won. And the plot advanced.

...WHAT.

And later, in the Ocean Palace Ruins, I fought that first Panel/Martello fight, and trying to use Steel Crash caused the game to freeze. The music played and the smoke effects continued, but my party members and enemies ceased all movement.

And occasionally it forgets that you saved.
I had the game freeze on me in the Ocean Palace Ruins too.  For me, though, it was when fighting the two Krakkers in the left room.  Special attacks didn't seem to play a factor.  Luckily, I didn't lose too much progress since I was making frequent savestates and saving twice at every savepoint on top of that.  It happened to me three times.  Eventually, I just ended up walking around the bastards so a battle wouldn't initiate.

Haha, I never thought to try to run away from a boss fight... I wonder how many other bosses you can do that to.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 30, 2011, 04:50:04 pm
What system are you playing it on?

ZSnes.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mr Bekkler on January 30, 2011, 05:05:09 pm
I was looking through my old comics and found these. Memories.

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r252/addiesin/ctcomicX.jpg)

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r252/addiesin/ctcomicX2.jpg)
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Yourgingerestfan on January 30, 2011, 05:51:14 pm
What system are you playing it on?

ZSnes.

Im up until the final dungeon , and I also had that bug on ZSnes , you have to finish the fight as quick as possible and be careful 'where' you trigger the fight because thats how it can get stuck.

Currently the only other major bug I faced is Spekkio saying he gave me the 'Lionhead' when he actually did not xD
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: xcalibur on January 30, 2011, 07:36:30 pm
I was looking through my old comics and found these. Memories.

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r252/addiesin/ctcomicX.jpg)

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r252/addiesin/ctcomicX2.jpg)

lol, awesome.

I just got some wild ideas for putting the square-enix legal department into a fan game as a boss fight. or would that be pushing things too far?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on January 30, 2011, 08:05:26 pm
Quote from: Lennis
http://dan.tobias.name/frivolity/archaic-grammar.html

http://everything2.com/title/If+you%2527re+going+to+speak+archaic+English%252C+use+it+correctly%2521

http://www.unilang.org/wiki/index.php/Introducing_Archaic_English

http://phrontistery.info/archaic.html
You just became my hero, Lennis. I've been tempted to ask for references like these in the writing thread.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Sajainta on January 30, 2011, 08:51:17 pm
ZSnes.

Ah, okay.  D and I started to play it on the ZSNES, but after the intro the screen went black and all you could hear was the music from Magus' castle.  We've been using the Snes9x since and haven't noticed any huge bugs.  The fast forward function on the system has come in reeeeeaaaaaaally useful while grinding.  And there's been a lot of grinding.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mr Bekkler on January 30, 2011, 08:53:18 pm
The fast forward function on the system has come in reeeeeaaaaaaally useful while grinding.  And there's been a lot of grinding.

I thought I was the only one who did that! I have a usb controller that looks like a ps2 controller, so I map the controls like snes, then turbo A on L2 and fast forward on R2 and voila! Battle speeder. I've been using zsnes and lately, bsnes. It's actually pretty cool.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 30, 2011, 11:45:09 pm
How much do things change, depending on whether or not I side with Porre, the Mystics, or Stay Neutral after fighting Kasmir's Illusion the first time?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 31, 2011, 12:00:57 am
If you side with Porre you can get items from the fallen Porrean soldiers, and in 1000AD tensions with Porre have lightened up. If you side with Medina you can get items from the fallen Mystic/Fiend soldiers, and in 1000AD tensions with Medina have lightened up. If you choose the neutral route you get items from both fallen Porrean soldiers and Mystic/Fiend soldiers, but tensions in 1000AD remain tough with both Medina and Porre.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 31, 2011, 12:16:16 am
Oh, so it...hm... *tries to puzzle out what would happen*

If tensions with Porre have lightened up, then...GAH, it's been ages since I watched that playthrough. I'll just make one save of each timeline!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 31, 2011, 12:47:36 am
I went with the neutral route. I wanted my items! I could care less about who likes me, hahaha...
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Acacia Sgt on January 31, 2011, 01:23:26 am
I remember watching that part in the videos. Too bad siding with Porre never changed the outcome of 'Fall of Guardia'.

Well, it was a given it wouldn't. Heh, it's like 'Actually winning the Ocean Palace Lavos fight scenario' all over again...  :lol:
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Sajainta on January 31, 2011, 02:44:55 am
I went with the neutral route. I wanted my items! I could care less about who likes me, hahaha...

Heh, same.

I thought I was the only one who did that! I have a usb controller that looks like a ps2 controller, so I map the controls like snes, then turbo A on L2 and fast forward on R2 and voila! Battle speeder. I've been using zsnes and lately, bsnes. It's actually pretty cool.

Mine's a 360 controller but yeah, I did pretty much the same thing.  It's so convenient, isn't it?  Plus the fight song sped up super fast is hilarious.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Dialga_Palkia on January 31, 2011, 05:43:59 pm
Well I deleted the ROM off my laptop since I didn't bother even playing it.  I had other matters to attend.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Yourgingerestfan on February 01, 2011, 04:23:40 am
The difficulty really spikes sometimes during the game xD
Im glad I recruited Ayla ...her techs are vital imo xD
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Sajainta on February 01, 2011, 05:59:54 am
When does Ayla come into your party?  I completely forgot, since I haven't watched the playthrough in over a year.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Yourgingerestfan on February 01, 2011, 07:31:15 am
Right before going to the Ocean Palace to destroy the Flame.
Shes already stronger than the rest of your party when you get her xD
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: hiddensquire on February 01, 2011, 01:35:55 pm
Alya was about 10 levels behind the rest of my party when I got her... I had found the perfect spot to powerlevel everyone in Kasmir's castle: the three sleeping henches that instantly respawn when you step out of the room.  One casting of Ice Water from Frog and Marle kills them all in one shot, even at relatively low levels.  Tapping the speed-up-emulation key at exactly the right times shaved off about 80% of the time I would have otherwise had to spend walking the characters back and forth, waiting for their turns to come up in battle, or waiting for the characters to finish their victory poses.  I just gave one of them a silver stud and supplemented ethers and aura heals out of battle as needed, then went to town.

Another excellent powerleveling spot I found later after I got Alya was the second to last room in the ocean palace (the real ocean palace, not the ruins) where three of those elemental bat/cyclops creatures appear.  For some reason, Magus' Double Tap attack does ridiculous amounts of damage to them (like around 3000 damage per hit... way more than his regular attack value).  A few other monsters were weak to it too, but not all, and the three little guys grant a lot of XP.  I'm not sure if it had to do with any equipment Magus was wearing or what, but it didn't seem I was using anything out of the ordinary.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Sajainta on February 03, 2011, 07:30:07 am
Alya was about 10 levels behind the rest of my party when I got her...

I read this earlier and thought "Well, shit...looks like when I get her it'll be more serious grinding time", but when she joined the party she was the exact same level as everyone else.  Weird..

I had found the perfect spot to powerlevel everyone in Kasmir's castle: the three sleeping henches that instantly respawn when you step out of the room.

I did the exact same thing.  Man, I loved that room...
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on February 10, 2011, 12:55:30 am
This game is effing difficult! I'm at the Singing Mountain, and my Magus/Robo/Lucca party are continuously owned by the Reptites. The green ones have 800HP and the dark ones have 1000HP (and high defense until shocked). I mean, my party always wins, but there's been a few times their HP falls to abysmally low levels. Egad!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: RySenkari on February 10, 2011, 01:19:01 am
I agree, the monster HP is way too high. I don't mind the high attack strength, but it gets really tedious fighting because monsters have as much HP as bosses in the original.

Also, not enough bosses :p
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Sajainta on February 10, 2011, 01:41:44 am
So true.  I just finished the Zeal Ruins part (when you go after KZ and Dalton, not the ruins in the beginning of the game) and Omega Flare--which was pretty much my bread and butter during CT--hardly did anything.  It's a really hard game and while I do appreciate that (I thought CT was too easy), sometimes I'm just thinking...YIKES.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: hiddensquire on February 10, 2011, 07:04:36 am
I personally appreciated that they didn't make it easy.  Anyone playing CE is going to be a CT veteran, so you don't want to go too soft...

Though, the nigh-invincible Black Tyrano sitting behind the locked door in Dinopolis (same stats as the one in Leene Square) was kind of annoying.  And after all that effort, all it gives you is 1000xp for beating it.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lance VII on February 10, 2011, 11:09:53 am
I dunno, I feel the game has some balance issues. However, I have yet to completely beat this version. I'll update my opinion later.

P.S., I do love the game, but it's not perfect. :p
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Lenophis on February 13, 2011, 07:30:34 pm
This game is effing difficult!
This is child's play compared to the first couple of betas.

/me disappears again
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Sajainta on February 13, 2011, 07:34:58 pm
This is child's play compared to the first couple of betas.

/me disappears again

...Wow.  I don't find that difficult to believe but still...wow.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: ZealKnight on February 13, 2011, 08:09:53 pm
I'm sorry to change the subject, but I'm curious. Squenix may not be able to do anything to us because we have clearly stated we didn't do it, ect ect. However, why have they done nothing? They went bat shit on us, but at this leak nothing. Even if they stopped looking at us, it's not like FoE is underground. It was on Destructoid and Kotaku(EVEN BEFORE THIS TOPIC WAS CREATED), which I know they read. What exactly is going on?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Thought on February 13, 2011, 08:50:51 pm
Corporate laziness? They can't waste time catching everyone, so when they come down, they come down hard.
Also, Prophet's Guile was out for a while but didn't get any "love" until they smashed Crimson Echoes. Therefore, it is possible that all these sorts of things will be banned the next time the giant sloth of business is roused.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Yourgingerestfan on February 14, 2011, 03:46:19 am
I dunno, I feel the game has some balance issues. However, I have yet to completely beat this version. I'll update my opinion later.

P.S., I do love the game, but it's not perfect. :p

It definatly does , but this would have been fixed in the last version.  :)

I love the New ...Nu emotes !!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Den Zurin on February 27, 2011, 12:33:15 am
Help please!
How to beat Black Tyrano in Dinopolis (Reptite timeline)? It kills my characters with one blow!
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/4341/cefinal0013.png) (http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/5784/cefinal0010.png)
There's save game for ZSNES: http://ifolder.ru/22128340 (http://ifolder.ru/22128340) (CE-Final.zst file for CE-Final.smc rom)
Characters have 26 level and use armor from Reptite smithy (CloudCloak, Cyan Cover and ShadeShawl).
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: hiddensquire on February 27, 2011, 09:05:18 am
Den Zurin, you would have a hard time beating this boss even if all of your characters were level 99 and had the best armor/weapons.  The fight is a complete easter egg and not required to progress in the game.  Even if you do beat it, all you get is 1000XP and the characters automatically exit the room in the same direction they came in through.

You probably didn't see the entrance to the prison, which is required to go to in order to progress through the quest you're currently on.  The entrance to the prison is in the first room you encounter when you enter Dinopolis.  I walked right past it and spent hours trying to find it elsewhere in Dinopolis.  I suspect you have done the same.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Sajainta on February 27, 2011, 09:11:26 am
I had no idea the Black Tyrano was fightable.  I assumed it was just part of the background.  Ah, the things you learn...
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: flobo on March 02, 2011, 02:55:13 pm
hello everyone, i've always been a fan of the chrono games, and just recently found out about Crimson Echoes.

The intro stated "Don't expect another Chrono Trigger" at the beginning. But when i finally saw the end, i was thinking "Are you kidding ? It was even BETTER than chrono trigger".

Maybe not on all levels, but on the most important part to me, the storyline. Taking CT,CE and CC as one huge storyline, CE is clearly the best part in my opinion (not to say that the other two aren't great).

Whoever wrote the script totally deserve to become Masato Kato personnal assistant for Chrono Break, i didn't enjoy a game storyline this much for years.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on March 02, 2011, 06:42:19 pm
Flobo,

Thanks for the kind words! I did not write the game, nor was I involved in it's development, but I'm sure that means a lot to Zeality, Chrono'99, Mauron and the others who invested their blood, sweat, and tears into the game!

I, too, loved the storyline! It was more mature than CT, yet not as confusing as CC... :)

Oh, and welcome to the Compendium!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: flobo on March 02, 2011, 07:28:08 pm
Another great thing is how it help to set CC up so nicely.CC is great, but the first time you reach chronopolis' computer and the ghosts at the end of the game, your head has to explode. I've never seen this much infos dumped on the player in any other games.

CE smooth this up quite a bit, and the ending scene set the tone that CC will only be a giant chess game between Belthasar and the dream/time devourer.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Den Zurin on March 03, 2011, 06:44:00 am
You probably didn't see the entrance to the prison, which is required to go to in order to progress through the quest you're currently on.  The entrance to the prison is in the first room you encounter when you enter Dinopolis.  I walked right past it and spent hours trying to find it elsewhere in Dinopolis.  I suspect you have done the same.

Thanks, I missed this room!
Also, what is WoodenSpn (in Porre 600 A.D. woman gives it instead of MoldyBread)? Why do I need it?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Sajainta on March 03, 2011, 07:01:30 am
Thanks, I missed this room!
Also, what is WoodenSpn (in Porre 600 A.D. woman gives it instead of MoldyBread)? Why do I need it?

You'll need to trade it to advance in the game much later.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mauron on March 06, 2011, 06:37:33 pm
Flobo,

Thanks for the kind words! I did not write the game, nor was I involved in it's development, but I'm sure that means a lot to Zeality, Chrono'99, Mauron and the others who invested their blood, sweat, and tears into the game!

I, too, loved the storyline! It was more mature than CT, yet not as confusing as CC... :)

Oh, and welcome to the Compendium!

I was never that active on the actual CE team. Most of my work went into other projects, some of which contributed to the CE, but were generally focused on just tearing the original game to shreds. In a good way, of course.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Sajainta on March 07, 2011, 05:00:53 am
I just finished the game this evening and wow...I was completely blown away.  I watched all the videos on YouTube last December, but it was entirely different (obviously) to actually play through the entire thing.  It is such a phenomenal game, and the way it seamlessly ties Trigger to Cross is ingenious.  I completely agree with everything flobo said, with the sole exception that I do like CT and CC more than CE.  :)

But regardless--amazing, amazing game.  Thank you so much to everyone who worked on it.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: beanzo on March 12, 2011, 05:28:54 am
If this has already been answered or this is the worng forum I appoligize and please direct me to the correct spot but, i'm at the part where you have to find spekkio and fight him for a side quest and I just fought him at hero's grave and he says he'll be on a piece of land surrounded on three sides by water" where is that (and maybe the locations of where he goes after that) thanks.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: hiddensquire on March 12, 2011, 01:57:35 pm
Beast Forest, Dark Ages.

After that: Singing Mountain, Prehistoric Era.

Then: Battlefield, 1AD.

Finally: Rainbow Shell Room, Guardia Castle, Present
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: beanzo on March 12, 2011, 03:08:45 pm
thanks!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Black_Chocobo on April 21, 2011, 01:35:50 pm
Hey together, I am part of the second team Mauron already mentioned. And yes, we wan't the original creators to get their full credit in the game.

We are already working for a few months on this project to get this awesome game out of the beta status. Tons of work... Redoing the unfinished maps, polish some balancing, fixing bugs and dialoge and expand the game in a reasonable way. But a lot of stuff is already done and we got 4 pretty focused teammembers to work on it. We want to release it in this year, but a official date is not sure yet.

And yes, I'm writing this with a fake IP, please don't be angry that we keep the project underground. I would even be more happy if my posting and this account gets deleted and someone opens a topic in a "someone said" style, after all.

Finally some pictures of the ongoing project:
New Titlescreen:
(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/6731/ce2000.png)(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6292/ce2003.png)

Some Fixed maps:
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9134/fixed1.png)
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3585/fixed3.png)
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/503/fixed2.png)

One of the new maps:
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4326/newkx.png)

Stay tuned, the dream of a CE Final is not dead.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 21, 2011, 07:56:47 pm
Q1: Why is there a 2011 Square copywrite logo on the title screen?
Q2: Also, why does the Chrono Trigger 2: Crimson Echoes look so weird? That's my only complaint - the logo is horrendous.
Comment: Lastly, your grammar is atrocious.

Make sure you let the "Crimson Echoes Final" character's have all new tech's! :) Good luck and keep it going. It better be better than Crimson Echoes or I will hit you with a ChocoMeteor spell!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Black_Chocobo on April 21, 2011, 08:38:04 pm
Yeah, it kind of looks weird because of the high resolution.
I think it looks better when its shown in big way. The tileset of the title screen is very compressed, so there is no other way than to show it like a winding flag.

(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/6292/ce2003.png)

English is not my mothertongue, excuse the bad grammar. The dialogues in the game are done more properly - promised ;)
We are trying to hack some new techs, but the new content is still a open task, our main goal is to polish and finish the game!
If you got some big complains about the 98% Beta (we already checked all the videos and played like 60% of the beta) just post it here and we try to fix it. Espeacily about big bugs or bad balancing.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 21, 2011, 08:52:24 pm
Got it. Thanks for the clarification. I admit, I still don't like the logo, though. It just doesn't look like a Chrono logo. But this is your baby, so I'll just be happy to play another version of Crimson Echoes.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Katie Skyye on April 22, 2011, 03:32:37 pm
Bubble Letters!! 8D

Well, I'm looking forward to it! Be sure to send a copy my way when it's done! ;3
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mr Bekkler on April 22, 2011, 04:02:29 pm
If it just said Crimson Echoes and ditched the Chrono Trigger that would solve the spacing issue. Looks intriguing, still.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Licawolf on April 22, 2011, 04:21:32 pm
Um, I think the problem with the logo is the font you're using in the "Trigger 2 Crimson Echoes" part, it doesn't seem to match well with the font from the original logo. But I agree with Boo, this is your project, and I'll just be happy to play another version of CE.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 22, 2011, 04:43:12 pm
I would put the word "Final" or something similar in your version as well, to differentiate it from the 1000 other versions of Crimson Echoes already floating around. Is yours also going to be a ROM hack in Temporal Flux or will it use another engine?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Acacia Sgt on April 23, 2011, 12:35:22 am
Hm? This looks interesting. Looking forward to it...
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Intangir on April 24, 2011, 11:32:47 pm
anyone have a save state or know where I can download one for a new game + ?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 25, 2011, 10:45:47 pm
A Google search would surely bring something up... I know that we can't support ROMs or ROM hacking, so not really sure if save states fall under that same category...
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Intangir on May 02, 2011, 10:15:44 pm
Ya tried the whole google search thing ... Thanks though . I like the game very well done .
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Black_Chocobo on May 05, 2011, 09:00:38 pm
I have a real important favor to ask you.
Can someone give me the whole plot developement of 2300 AD, because we want to give the future more deepness (e.c. with the new city, a cave and some new houses) and need to know at which points of the game the dialogue/npcs normally change.
If we know the plotpoints of the changing future it would be a lot easier to figure the story variables out.
Thanks for everyone who helps us out with this.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: owewaponx on May 12, 2011, 09:21:47 pm
I recently got this, and have been following the "video walkthroughs" on YouTube, and am having a problem at " unto breach..." chapter.

Videowise, I'm here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO-Lm4P-5uE&NR=1

For my team, I have Ayla, Crono, and Magus. Was running blind in the Crono part, and am now stuck in a room with purple carpet and columns. There' doesn't appear to be a way out!
 :o

I have tried the stairs, things that look like doors, what I took to be openings, the treasure chest, which doesnt open, and examining the statue. Nothing! Anyone go through that chapter, using Crono?

Here's some screenshots:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/lightdevils/ce/ce2.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/lightdevils/ce/ce1.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/lightdevils/ce/ce4-1.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/lightdevils/ce/ce3.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/lightdevils/ce/ce6.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/lightdevils/ce/ce5-1.jpg)

Anyone? Please PM!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Kyronea on May 23, 2011, 03:40:06 am
So, I finally got a chance to play this game.

It was ridiculously hard at points. And yet...frankly as far as I'm concerned it works so well with Trigger and Cross that, despite what is said at its beginning, it should be considered at least good quality fanon, if not canon, at least until contradicted by future entries in the series, if there ever will be.

And if not, then I think Crimson Echoes stands as a great testament to how much we fans enjoyed Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Ethasus on June 06, 2011, 09:15:10 am
anyone have a save state or know where I can download one for a new game + ?

Not exactly, but I might be able to help you out. I'll edit this post after I get permission

Boo, would editing memory addresses count as ROM hacking? Since it isn't really opening the game up, I'm not sure, so could you clarify?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on June 08, 2011, 12:12:14 am
I'm not one of the techies, so I can't say for certain. My first reaction I would think yet, but once again, I couldn't say for certain. Let's hope someone with more experience can clarify and answer your question.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on June 08, 2011, 12:25:16 am
I'm actually not sure what you mean to do Ethasus, but sounds like something that's best taken care of over email anyway. In answer to your specific question about editing memory addresses, temporarily doing so in the form of a Game Genie/PAR code should be protected under Galoob v. Nintendo at least. If a company wants to split hairs, perhaps there's a fine line between re-defining the RAM address a value is written to (gray area) and shooping a new value into an established address (solidly protected under Galoob). That's my understanding at the moment.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Ethasus on June 11, 2011, 03:02:05 pm
It would have been the second one. While looking through my CT folders (looking for the retranslation patch) I found a text file with the address mappings, which I remember manually adjust the values to get high stats( I don't really like battle, its more about the story for me). Most Emulators have utilities to do so, so it seems like it fell within the acceptable actions.

In other news, I found a leak of CE that is dated to the April build, which is close to the one that FW played during the walkthrough. Only difference is that the during the start, the debug room only appears for a second, and then the game starts automatically in Prologue.
FW, if you could, estimate where this places it in relation to the alpha and the beta that you played. I don't want to play it only to get stuck at the worst part (Marle alone) like the alpha. :(

I can provide the location if you guys ARE trying to close down the leaks.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on June 11, 2011, 03:10:46 pm
It's probably the alpha IMO. One surefire way to tell is to see if Magus' new portrait is in, if you can get to his first chapter.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mr Bekkler on June 12, 2011, 12:55:24 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's how Flames of Eternity starts.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Ethasus on June 13, 2011, 08:52:14 pm
OK, so it has Magus' new portrait, says that its Beta Build April 7 to be exact. For some reason, however, the "wait" battle option doesn't work. FW do you know if it was originaly implemented, or was something that had to be fixed. (or it could just be the version I have)

Mr Bekkler, it is definitely some version of CE, the start up message is the same as the vids. Plus a lack of "YE YE YE!" :lol:

oh, btw, are we allowed to post IPS patches, just not ROMs?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mr Bekkler on June 13, 2011, 11:04:12 pm
No we can't post patches either, unfortunately. But a lack of YE does sound like CE.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: FaustWolf on June 14, 2011, 12:27:10 am
Hmm, no idea. I am curious to find out whether Magus' OmniShield tech in your build has little golden laser thingies as opposed to little green laser thingies, as seen here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri-EKngmmrg).
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Ethasus on June 14, 2011, 04:50:40 pm
Why yes they are actually, they are golden/yellow and the silhouette is green after the tech. Now I'm kind of lazy so I am cheating on the stats (it is so much harder now, and I only care for the story)
Now does anyone know the max MP that you can have? I initially used 99 but I want to ask if it can go higher.
As well, I have an emulator on my ipod touch, but there is no support for AR cheats, so does anyone know a way to falsify the values, then lock them in the savegame?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on June 16, 2011, 05:36:01 am
Can anyone confirm if CT's Game Genie codes work on this? I know Prophet's Guile is okay with them.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: CelestialPhantasm on December 04, 2011, 07:53:19 am
Please excuse me late replies. I have only just recently started concerning myself with these matters.

...I don't get it.  If they're trying to keep his speech "formal" or attempting to stick with the original English translation, then why didn't they stick with the "thou" and "thee" stuff instead of just inserting "ye" everywhere?  I'm no linguist, but wouldn't "Thou belongst in the castle...  Thy true home and where thou'st needed most." sound better and more like Frog's original speech than what they have, which is essentially "YE YE YE YE YE YE" ??  "Ye true home" doesn't even make grammatical sense.  "You true home" ?

/English major blather

"...where thou art needed most" would be correct, if I am not mistaken. I tried Flames of Eternity because I wanted a version of CE with human Glenn, but it was horribly executed. Aside from the linguistic catastrophe, which makes Ted Woosely's work with the character look good, the added sprites are terrible. Running Glenn looks more like he is limping swiftly and his victory pose is an abomination.

And yes, no mention is made in the introduction of the Crimson Echoes team, despite the majority of the game having been left the same... The only other change which I noticed in my short time with FoE was a return to the terms of the original north american release such as "shadow" instead of "dark". The person behind this project is obviously a narrow-minded, ignorant, uncultured north-american who shows respect neither for the spirit of the original japanese text and the quality of the original game, nor for the work of the CE-team.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Black_Chocobo on January 12, 2013, 05:46:57 pm
Event and mapfixes are almost all DONE. Next up is some heavy graphical rework on the titlescreen and other titbits.

Also a new balance of the monsters is planned (and already patchy done) to make the game more like challenging but fun. And of course another betarun to find the less obvious bugs created by the many things we fixed and remade for the game.

Here's one of the fixed maps of the destroyed Ocean Palace to show off the new style of those maps and keep you guys exited :)

(http://i.imagebanana.com/img/8xa16xs1/oceanpalacestilvorschau.png)
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 13, 2013, 02:30:29 pm
Wait. So are you fixing up Crimson Echoes or something? Just curious. :)
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Black_Chocobo on January 14, 2013, 09:48:01 am
Check page 13 of this thread ;)
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 14, 2013, 07:43:17 pm
Ah, yes! I had forgotten. Granted, is has been quite some time... Glad to see the project is still silently chugging away.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: TheMinister on February 28, 2013, 01:11:33 am
And yes, no mention is made in the introduction of the Crimson Echoes team, despite the majority of the game having been left the same...

Actually, in FoE, if you start a "new game" rather than "new game +", the authors mention that Zeality and the rest of the original team wrote the bulk of this. All the new authors did was a fair bit of cleanup to make it fully playable, and add the multiple endings back in. I was kinda weirded out at first too  :x, believe me, because I remember the earlier versions had a big "thank you" to the original team for all their hard work at the beginning.

It's only that the latest versions have the save slots full of max level characters, so if you don't clear them and start a new game, you don't see the intro message.

Speaking of, huge huge thanks to the original team from me as well- I played through the beta before it got taken down, and loved every minute of it. Thanks for all your hard work, and I'm sorry that you weren't able to completely finish. Even so, we still got a cut diamond that had yet to be polished, nevertheless retaining its beauty. As opposed to a glistening, sparkling official release, such as the original two games.

The only other change which I noticed in my short time with FoE was a return to the terms of the original north american release such as "shadow" instead of "dark". The person behind this project is obviously a narrow-minded, ignorant, uncultured north-american who shows respect neither for the spirit of the original japanese text and the quality of the original game, nor for the work of the CE-team.

 :lol:, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not... the only way to REALLY make sure we're not uneducated foreign devils from North America, would be to just have all games in their original languages from now on. That's the only way that the infidel languages will not pervert the true messages within our holy texts. Everything in Japanese from now on!

Or better yet, perhaps we should put everything in the original traditional Chinese characters that the Japanese characters are nearly identical to, and the language is based on...
   :wink:
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: TheMinister on February 28, 2013, 01:36:53 am
Hahahaha. You know, it's funny; I'm also this guy (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/abs0g/in_2008_thebeefytaco_and_i_each_ran_epicrelics/).

And thanks. I guess you're right. I should be doing homework right now at 5:46am instead of worrying about this anyway.

You sir are a man after my own heart. And I salute you.  8)

(so after definitely not looking for or playing the CE beta for fear of awakening the SE guardians that sleep beneath, I have to conclude that it IS better than FoE. Mayhap I have a different opinion that some others here, who seem to have been slighted by the FoE creators, but I didn't feel that FoE was all that disrespectful to the CE guys. Though at this point I fear I must withdraw from that argument, because it almost sounds like a family feud I'm best not involved in. When I first definitely didn't find or play it, the posts on the various sites definitely not linked to it all seemed grateful and thankful for the original team's sweat, blood and tears)
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mr Bekkler on March 03, 2013, 02:21:29 pm
Hahahaha. You know, it's funny; I'm also this guy (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/abs0g/in_2008_thebeefytaco_and_i_each_ran_epicrelics/).

And thanks. I guess you're right. I should be doing homework right now at 5:46am instead of worrying about this anyway.

You sir are a man after my own heart. And I salute you.  8)

(so after definitely not looking for or playing the CE beta for fear of awakening the SE guardians that sleep beneath, I have to conclude that it IS better than FoE. Mayhap I have a different opinion that some others here, who seem to have been slighted by the FoE creators, but I didn't feel that FoE was all that disrespectful to the CE guys. Though at this point I fear I must withdraw from that argument, because it almost sounds like a family feud I'm best not involved in. When I first definitely didn't find or play it, the posts on the various sites definitely not linked to it all seemed grateful and thankful for the original team's sweat, blood and tears)

Cool! I didn't find or play the two projects either, and may or may not completely agree with you. :lol:

Really, I did get a chance to play both, and I just prefer the original, warts and all. It's like preferring a classic song over a polished cover, it is what it is and that's part of the beauty of the thing.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm being vague. I'm actually really trying to be specific. How about this, it's like Star Wars. The original version and the special editions. I, like most, prefer the originals because I saw nothing so wrong with them that it warranted a huge amount of changes or "fixes". However, I have nothing against the special editions or FoE existing, they're just not for me. :)

Anyway, that's just one guy's opinion.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Schala Zeal on March 03, 2013, 02:57:34 pm
Well FoE would be like Star Wars VII if Disney were to add a retarded George Lucas cameo to it.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Black_Chocobo on March 28, 2013, 06:55:44 pm
The progress to the final build still goes strong.
Please leave me some thoughts on the new title screen, is the color of echoes fine or should we stick to another one to make the titlescreen more different from Chrono Trigger (we already changed the palette of the "Chrono"). Lightblue would be a contrast color to brown... We need some good feedback like last time to make it perfect! :)

(http://i.imagebanana.com/img/8n9etcv1/ce2046.png)
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on March 28, 2013, 11:16:14 pm
If it's possible, I'd love to see see the Chrono Trigger logo remain, with Crimson Echoes as a subtitle. I don't think that's doable, though, so I'll give feedback to what you have.

-The Echoes font looks a little weird. Do you have the text moving at all, or is it a static image?
-I like the nod to Zeality. Don't give him all the credit, though, it wasn't just him! Maybe you could credit it to Kajar Laboratories (which is now defunct due to the Cease and Desist), or perhaps your own moniker?
-Great job of the "Crimson" and matching it to Chrono Trigger's "Chrono."

Also, you should start your own thread somehow. It seems weird to keep seeing updates in this thread. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Black_Chocobo on March 29, 2013, 11:42:32 am
Echoes is waving, just like "Trigger" in the original titlecreen of CT.

The "Trigger" appears to be the exact same font like the "Chrono" but very deformed. I used photoshop, wrote "Echoes" with the same font and strechted and waved it to be deformed as near as possible the same way like the the original "Trigger". Afterwards I made it very pixelated and tried to redraw the sprites as good as possible by hand. The E and S at the end make me think though, because they somehow dont "fit into the flow" of the logo. another thing which is different to the original trigger is, that the edges are rounded a little bit and you look at the font from a top-down-left position, so you will se the darker sides of the characters on the bottom and the left. I kinda like it, but if many people say it does not fit to the font it can be changed.
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Mr Bekkler on April 02, 2013, 09:45:58 pm
I think that looks fantastic!
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: mondaybasil on July 28, 2013, 04:08:24 pm
Any updates?
Title: Re: Crimson Echoes leaked
Post by: Redline57 on November 12, 2023, 02:02:48 am
Crimson Echoes rules, Wooo!

Still my favorite game :)