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Title: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: ZeaLitY on January 04, 2011, 06:40:16 am
Earlier this year, Vehek made an amazing discovery by finding excerpts of a CT interview from a player's guide in Japan, previously unknown to the Compendium and English-speaking community. Angerona then did the impossible by acquiring and scanning the entire thing. Guess what else? It just so happens that this guide was the one featuring some of Toriyama's earliest character sketches (which will be in the official art section by the next update), previously brought to light by Chains of Fate. Just now, we've gotten to reviewing it as I'm slowly updating the site, and I noticed a pretty important sketch...

(http://chronofan.com/Zeality/FUCK.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Nvu69bvP0)[

Yeah. That's Gaspar, in full Zeal Guru of Time regalia. Compare with his sprites, which also feature his staff:

(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/1/1d/Gaspar_Sprites.png)

As soon as I saw this, I politely asked GlitterBerri (well, more like I screamed with excitement at her) to translate the caption underneath that image. And what did we get? "The mysterious cut character,'Sage'. It's a waste not to use it despite its good flavor." Bang! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6uKc6gAoK0) 15 years to reach us, but there it is! It touched 5 Chrono fans, and now we're shouting it from the mountaintop. Gaspar was probably cut early in development, as no extra sprites of him exist in the Prerelease. Still, this is FANTASTIC information! The Guru of Time has attained a very special new significance; he was truly going to be the 8th member of the team! Huge thanks to Chains of Fate, Vehek, Angerona, GlitterBerri, and a ton of other people. We're going to get this Ultra Update finished and keep the Chrono heartbeat pumping with nothing but hot blood!
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Mr Bekkler on January 03, 2011, 03:21:05 am
That's incredible! Very cool find.

Perhaps the plans to make him a playable character caused them to only make a limited number of compressed sprites, assuming they'd have a wider range of movement for him in the uncompressed playable character sprite section?

I don't entirely know what I'm talking about. But it made sense when I thought of it.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Acacia Sgt on January 03, 2011, 03:38:42 am
Wha...? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Amazing! Now I wonder, how it would have been his fighting style had he been kept as a party member... :?:

Only thing in mind is magic oriented (though unsure of the element) with, highly likely, staves as his weapons.

What an amazing discovery, nonetheless. :D
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Mauron on January 03, 2011, 03:39:58 am
I knew there was an 8th! I knew it!
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: rushingwind on January 03, 2011, 03:40:24 am
This is awesome.

Edit: Makes me wonder about that guard-like overworld sprite in the Prerelease version. Perhaps it's an unfinished version of a Gaspar sprite?
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: FaustWolf on January 03, 2011, 03:43:36 am
This is too awesome for words. Thanks to everyone who had a part in bringing this to light! It's the gift that keeps on giving, over a decade later.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: utunnels on January 03, 2011, 04:15:34 am
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/File:P584_Idea_Sketch_I.jpg.html

Could that old "Sage" be him?
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Vehek on January 03, 2011, 04:26:36 am
Wow...
When I posted about that magazine, I wasn't sure what else would be in there besides that interview. I could guess that maybe it was the source of the early character sketches and maybe where those character ages/measurements came from (still need to confirm this). But I wouldn't have guessed that the old speculation based on glitchy behavior and a badly translated line might actually be true.

Barring any other unknown magazine issues with early CT content, future interviews, or leaks of older prototype versions, I'm going to say what we find from this magazine is probably the last of the discoveries about the development.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: tushantin on January 03, 2011, 05:13:23 am
xDDD Who says Gaspar isn't the 8th hero of time even now? He's been assisting Crono and co since day one! Great find, nevertheless. I just wonder what kind of powers he'd have compared to the rest. Since he's a true Zealian, training and all, he's bound to be as powerful as Magus if not more.

@utunnels: Yeah, that's him alright.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Sajainta on January 03, 2011, 06:07:05 am
Heh, so I guess the Ted Woolsey translation of "If you really want to thank me, make me a member of your team!" isn't all that strange now in retrospect.  :P
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Crono666 on January 03, 2011, 07:52:52 am
I wonder what skills he'd have, if he had been playable in the game.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: utunnels on January 03, 2011, 08:24:04 am
Hehe, guess some time magic like Time Freeze.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: maggiekarp on January 03, 2011, 10:41:35 am
FINALLY people will stop thinking I'm crazy for saying that
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Nangbaby on January 03, 2011, 02:42:00 pm
Oh snap!  This is something I would have never expected.  I wonder how long it will be for the spriters return and make a theoretical sprite sheet based on this information.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: TheMage on January 03, 2011, 02:54:07 pm
Damn! And everyone thought the 8th playable character was Schala! It would have been so awesome to have Gaspar in your party for sure! To bad his sprites are so limited. Ah well thats what the fans are for :D

Oh snap!  This is something I would have never expected.  I wonder how long it will be for the spriters return and make a theoretical sprite sheet based on this information.


Im working on one now XD.


Makes me wonder about that guard-like overworld sprite in the Prerelease version. Perhaps it's an unfinished version of a Gaspar sprite?

It deffinantly could be: (http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/729/mayben.png)


I want to know what double and triple techs he would have had XD maybe they would have given him and Magus something zealian and kickass!
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Mr Bekkler on January 03, 2011, 03:27:00 pm
I made a young Gaspar walking sprite, it's on my game's thread. I know TheMage is working on something cool too, but this is what I had :P :

(http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8510.0;attach=8209;image)

Works in RM2k3
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: chi_z on January 03, 2011, 04:16:39 pm
A tear of closure trickles down chee_zee's face.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: ZeaLitY on January 03, 2011, 05:11:41 pm
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Translated_Text_%28CTP%29.html

God, I'm in love with this new blush layout. Look at that page; it's now incredibly better.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 03, 2011, 08:46:17 pm
Gaspar always had the best robes of all the Gurus. He would have made a fascinating addition to the game. I think, however, that the decision to cut him was apt. Chrono Trigger was too "bright" to include a character like that in the playable cast. He'd have been much more at home as the fourth member in Radical Dreamers, or the millionth member of the Chrono Cross playable cast.

Still, an astounding discovery! I bet Gaspar would be prominent in Kato's mind if the Dream Team or elements thereof ever writes another Chrono game.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: ZealKnight on January 03, 2011, 10:08:53 pm
Hmm... I forget, just how much was made for eight character Gaspar? He was cut so early I wonder just how different the whole story would have been with him in the party. How different of a character would he be? I guess he'd be much more talkative, he'd be so different. What would have happened at Zeal? Ugh finding out it wasn't human Glenn only makes me want to know EVERY scenario possibility he came up with!!!
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: V_Translanka on January 03, 2011, 10:32:02 pm
Wow, that's pretty damn neat. I wonder when he was to initially join Crono & Co. Maybe to go get the Epoch? After your first trip to Zeal? Or maybe he'd be like a temporary character throughout the journey...Oh the possibilities....
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Lance VII on January 04, 2011, 12:18:00 am
That's bloody amazing. Great find!
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: utunnels on January 04, 2011, 12:45:56 am
Well, Gaspar is in your party. :P
In the character swap menu at least, right below your 3rd character.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lCQtpKW25o
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: skylark on January 04, 2011, 02:11:46 pm
The 8th isn't Schala...?

Excuse me for a moment...

*Cries in a corner.*
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Samopoznanie on January 04, 2011, 11:02:02 pm
Wow.  So cool.  Opens so many possibilities for what kind of twists and turns the story could have taken.  Great discovery to start the year with.  15 years on, and there's still new things to be found.  Thanks to everyone involved in their hard work, digging this up. Really neat stuff.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Lady Marle on January 16, 2011, 10:25:38 pm
Honestly, I'm surprised it was him, not Schala, who was the eighth. Perhaps the Zeal Princess's role was decided long before though. Oh well. I can only imagine how it would've been to have him has a party member!!
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: utunnels on January 16, 2011, 10:36:12 pm
Perhaps his rod/cane was some kind of sword so his fighting style would be like Radius.
Just got an random idea.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Lady Marle on January 16, 2011, 11:45:43 pm
A highly probable one as well... that or maybe he was more of a spell caster like Riddel or Guile, with a rod as the weapon.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Dialga_Palkia on January 18, 2011, 02:34:56 pm
I wonder; what if Gaspar is Radius in CC? Both are old, have interesting garbs ( okay a trench coat can be cool) that resemble the Zealian period ( Doesn't Radius have a garb that loosely resembles one of the three guru's during the Zealian period? ) and seem to have adequate knowledge on the past.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: ZealKnight on January 18, 2011, 06:47:28 pm
I wonder; what if Gaspar is Radius in CC? Both are old, have interesting garbs ( okay a trench coat can be cool) that resemble the Zealian period ( Doesn't Radius have a garb that loosely resembles one of the three guru's during the Zealian period? ) and seem to have adequate knowledge on the past.

I'm pretty sure we can confirm that he is not. Let's not start this theory.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Magus22 on January 25, 2011, 05:54:06 pm
Totally awesome.

And now I am sure you all remember this during your CT playthroughs...

(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q3/GUILE22/100_2123.jpg)
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Dialga_Palkia on January 26, 2011, 05:32:20 pm
I can definitely see the next Chrono game featuring the Gurus of Time plotting a way to save Schala as Magus as the lead MC.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: ZealKnight on January 26, 2011, 10:54:01 pm
I somehow see the three gurus try to rebuild Zeal under Magus's leadership in the future. Magus for main character FTW!!! (not really I want dialogue from him and a silent protagonist)
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Acacia Sgt on January 27, 2011, 12:29:21 am
I somehow see the three gurus try to rebuild Zeal under Magus's leadership in the future. Magus for main character FTW!!! (not really I want dialogue from him and a silent protagonist)

Well, being the main doesn't mean he has to be silent...
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: ZealKnight on January 27, 2011, 06:33:55 am
But I said I want one.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Lennis on January 27, 2011, 09:26:49 pm
Why would you want a silent protagonist?  Because it's traditional?  That really limits the potential character development in the story.  It's one of the few old-school RPG conventions I think is best left in the past.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: ZealKnight on January 28, 2011, 01:06:57 am
Because I feel the game really is in my perspective.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Mr Bekkler on January 28, 2011, 01:54:08 am
I could go either way, honestly. As long as the game's good.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Thought on February 08, 2011, 01:56:04 am
Great find!

To offer an alternate perspective: "Sage" may not so much be Gaspar as they re-used his sprite. As the translation states: "It's a waste not to use it..."

But that aside, it does explain why there isn't a Zeal character to recruit (the party does recruit at least one person from every other time period, though I suppose Magus might count as Zeal's contribution). I'd have loved to see his dungeon, though.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Nocturne on June 02, 2011, 10:43:18 am
That's a wonderful find! :3 I secretly wish this was a PC game now, because with some PC games you can tinker with the files and find missing mobs/quests. >_> I would love to see his play style and dialogue.

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I wonder; what if Gaspar is Radius in CC? Both are old, have interesting garbs ( okay a trench coat can be cool) that resemble the Zealian period ( Doesn't Radius have a garb that loosely resembles one of the three guru's during the Zealian period? ) and seem to have adequate knowledge on the past.


I don't believe so. I just feel he is knowledgeable in the word due to his age and experiences in the Acacia Dragoons. Personally, I believe that there is a connection between the two, but only in appearance and personality. They may have used him to fulfill the void they missed with a sage in the first game.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: HeadlessFritz on June 06, 2011, 01:05:23 am
I understand why he was not implemented :

1 character from 2300 A.D.
0 character from 1999 A.D.
3 characters from 1000 A.D.
1 character from 600 A.D.
1 character from 12 000 B.C.
1 character from 65 000 000 B.C.

Present gets a bit too much love, but in a way Crono, Lucca and Marle are the main heroes. Now why would Dark Age get 2 heroes  (Magus and Gaspar) ? More importantly, we already have a kickass wizard... What role would be left for Gaspar ?

Personally I would have added a hero from the apocalypse to maximize variety. 8)
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Licawolf on June 06, 2011, 03:55:57 am
The 1000AD characters are a basic RPG ensemble (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WithAFriendAndAStranger)  :P

Maybe Gaspar could have been the character from the End of Time.

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Personally I would have added a hero from the apocalypse to maximize variety.

I think this is a really neat idea. I wonder what kind of character it could have been, another human?
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: tushantin on June 06, 2011, 06:29:29 am
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Personally I would have added a hero from the apocalypse to maximize variety.

I think this is a really neat idea. I wonder what kind of character it could have been, another human?
XD That kinda got me thinkin.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: utunnels on June 08, 2011, 10:25:42 pm
I'd like to see Johnny joining after you beat him in the motorcycle race.



Edit*

Ah, you mean apocalypse, so that is 1999 AD?
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Mr Bekkler on June 08, 2011, 10:49:02 pm
You save the Director from the video you see in 2300, then you have to make a fake version of the video to prevent the paradox of your never seeing the vid you stopped.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: OverlordMikey on June 10, 2011, 03:14:17 am
You save the Director from the video you see in 2300, then you have to make a fake version of the video to prevent the paradox of your never seeing the vid you stopped.

Of course you could pull him out of that event - they might end up on video instead...

And seeing yourself saving someone in a video saving some guy during the end of life as humanity knows it would kinda spark a desire to both save the world and figure out what the heck you where doing on a video labeled 1999 during the end of the world.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Mr Bekkler on June 10, 2011, 04:13:07 am
I like it! It's timey wimey!
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: TheMage on December 05, 2011, 11:00:04 pm
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8686/gasparpcsheet.png)
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Katie Skyye on December 06, 2011, 12:58:00 am
Oh my goodness. Even if it is pretty much Crono's sprite sheet, who cares? It's awesome!!!
I really did like Gaspar a lot. n_n That is so snazzy!
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Acacia Sgt on December 06, 2011, 01:24:36 am
Ahaha, I can almost see it happening in-game.  :lol:
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: tushantin on December 06, 2011, 02:50:37 pm
HOLLY SHEEPS!!

We love you, TheMage!  :D
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: TheMage on December 06, 2011, 08:47:23 pm
Thanks guys!

 I've been working on it for a very long time, (cough since April cough) and I got frustrated at how far behind I was so I cheated and used Crono but I think he still looks good, and now i'm done  :D :D Anyone may use him for whatever they wish!
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Dialga_Palkia on December 07, 2011, 09:59:42 pm
Your sprites remind me of the beta overworld sprite for that brown clothed character. This sort of fits quite well.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Phillies64 on December 16, 2011, 10:53:30 am
Very impressive work! It inspired my first post in god knows how long.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Dervish on November 19, 2012, 06:46:09 pm

(http://chronofan.com/Zeality/FUCK.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Nvu69bvP0)[

Yeah. That's Gaspar, in full Zeal Guru of Time regalia. Compare with his sprites, which also feature his staff:

That reminds me of a character from the Dragon Quest Abel Yuusha anime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDXJ56f3OEk#t=5m00s).
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: SorcerorX on August 20, 2013, 10:53:56 am
um haha he is a good character for the storyline, but I don't see him as the action-hero type.
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on August 22, 2013, 03:52:47 pm
I saw this post before, but I never saw Mage's sprite sheet for playable Gaspar. That's friggin' rad!
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: SilentMartyr on September 26, 2013, 09:46:42 pm
That is certainly an incredible find! Now to wonder about a remake with Gaspar as a PC...
Title: Re: Gaspar confirmed to be cut 8th character for Chrono Trigger!
Post by: Doc_Cigarette on September 30, 2014, 11:18:34 am
It makes sense that he would be the 8th if there should be an 8th.  You get 1 character from every other period in time aside from the 3 from the present.   I don't think he would have gotten any moves, he probably would have been a support character to call upon, like a triple tech move or something. I think his element would have been shadow, since he hangs out in purple wavy time goop land.