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Title: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on July 10, 2010, 08:19:04 am
This is going to sound very pathetic, but is it possible someone can make a forum rank for people who consider themselves to be a real incarnate of a Chrono character? It's been about 3 years since I started believing I was Schala and I've even lived my life differently based on that fact, since then.

It's a rank that's purely cosmetic though. I just feel for those who took my path... who've really become who would otherwise be a fictional person... we need to stand out as an example that life can be boundless if you can put your enthusiasm into it.

Yes, I deal with skeptics, who are friends, strangers, and enemies, but I also have people who are also convinced I am the real deal. My motto is reality is what you make of it. This is my reality. If it's insane to think the way I do, then I can happily admit I am insane, because I am who I want to be. I just know there's others who live and think and believe as I do. Simply put, as long as it isn't dangerous, let me be as I want.

I suppose that is my reasoning behind why I suggested a vanity forum rank: to stand out as an example of one defining reality's bounds themselves. That... and my 14,026th birthday approaches. *chuckle*
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: tushantin on July 11, 2010, 04:43:51 am
Hmm, if I were someone purely rational and skeptical I'd say that living a self-deluded life would be a life of lie, attempting to cushion oneself from the reality and refusing to deal with the real world.

But since I'm not a purely rational and skeptical person, and since I understand the necessity of shifting mindsets and persona at times in return for understanding and developing one's nature, I encourage your appeal (so long as you can keep your sanity intact)! Hell even I live the life of my own fictional characters sometimes.  :lee:

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That... and my 14,026th birthday approaches. *chuckle*

XDDD Happy Birthday, grandma!
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: gatotsu911 on July 11, 2010, 12:39:35 pm
Please, don't. I'm not going to tell anyone how to live their lives (however tempting it may be), but don't ruin fictional characters I love.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on July 11, 2010, 04:00:15 pm
... That... I find rather offensive. I have really become this character because she is me. Saying I'm 'ruining' something or someone... you are indeed telling me how to live my life. Not only that but you are implying I am a monster.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: chi_z on July 12, 2010, 08:44:31 pm
I dunno man. Until we see pics how are we to know you are the real deal? heck you could be more like Nadia or Leene than Schala!
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on July 12, 2010, 11:43:36 pm
I'm still in the process of.... my....*sigh* right now, inside I am...outside though it's going to cost $50,000
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Lord J Esq on July 19, 2010, 11:02:44 pm
I'll encourage your appeal on the position you treat female Compendiumites with more respect. I have not heard positive things about your behavior on that front. Part of asserting a new or true sexual identity is that you can't lash out against people on the basis of sex or sexuality, even if, to you, it's a legitimate defensive behavior.

You promise to work on that, and I'll be happy to support your appeal. I doubt ZeaLitY would approve it, but at least we can register popular sentiment.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on July 21, 2010, 02:10:05 am
I'll admit, I have a bit of -- ok, a lot of a problem when people feel the need to make me feel down when I don't even harm. I only get angry when people seek to belittle me and push me into a helpless situation.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: xcalibur on July 22, 2010, 02:26:39 pm
Though I dont know you, princess schala zeal, you have to be one of my favorite personalities on here.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on July 22, 2010, 05:07:06 pm
I'm flattered. Thank you.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Prince Janus on July 23, 2010, 01:41:25 am
I'll admit, I have a bit of -- ok, a lot of a problem when people feel the need to make me feel down when I don't even harm. I only get angry when people seek to belittle me and push me into a helpless situation.

There are people though (a type of troll) that deliberately invoke this out of people. Sort of a Xanatos Gambit. "Hey laugh at me cause you can't tell if I'm joking or I really think this, hope it drives you insane"
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on July 23, 2010, 05:37:26 am
Well, it's good that this is a tight-knit community. Trollers are easily spotted on here at least.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: xcalibur on July 23, 2010, 09:15:00 am
It's not only your fascinating claims of being the incarnation of schala. It also amuses me how you provoke paragraphs of fury without trying, just by being you.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: gatotsu911 on July 23, 2010, 01:40:06 pm
It's like a psychology major's wet dream.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on July 24, 2010, 05:39:04 am
Heh, well this is how I live my life, and the only doctor who can cure me lost his medical license and went to jail for 8 years.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: gatotsu911 on July 25, 2010, 01:40:28 pm
...crossed with a soap opera.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on July 26, 2010, 01:00:29 am
Everytime my male exterior is taken notice of, my self-esteem dies a little.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Lord J Esq on July 26, 2010, 05:32:36 am
Other people see things the way they see them. You're better off, at first, trying to focus on finding satisfaction with your own perspective.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Sajainta on July 26, 2010, 06:18:53 am
Everytime my male exterior is taken notice of, my self-esteem dies a little.

Try not to let that kind of thing get to you.  The vast majority of people don't understand or know what being transgendered is or what it's like.

My one sibling is transgendered, and every time someone refers to him as a female it makes him feel physically ill.  He'll have to deal with that his entire life.  He's going to become an elementary school teacher and will probably be forever known as "Miss [insert last name]."

But it does not lower his self-esteem because he knows who he is and the people who matter know who he is.  He is male, and always has been.

So try to focus on that.  You recognize yourself as female.  People might see you as male for the rest of your life (same with my brother), but if you know the truth then just focus on the truth.  I know that's easier to say than do, but it has helped my brother and maybe it can help you.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on July 26, 2010, 07:05:53 am
There's a difference. Your brother (apparently) has physical issues. Me, I'm physically full male, added I probably have high testosterone levels too. However, at heart and in my mind, this isn't what I want to be. I desire to be a daughter, a sister, a girlfriend.... a wife even.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Sajainta on July 26, 2010, 07:16:33 am
Wait...how is there a difference?  You're physically male, he's physically female (and looks female).  What's the difference?
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on July 26, 2010, 07:21:51 am
Oh! My mistake. So... at first your parents regarded him as a daughter?
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Sajainta on July 26, 2010, 07:26:04 am
Oh! My mistake. So... at first your parents regarded him as a daughter?

Yes.  They still have a difficult time accepting him as a male because for the majority of his life they've seen him as a girl, but they've gotten better about it as time goes by.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on July 26, 2010, 08:02:13 am
If only my parents were that merciful...

Well, if I have the surgery, I'd be willing to donate my male organs.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Mauron on October 25, 2010, 03:31:33 pm
If only my parents were that merciful...

Well, if I have the surgery, I'd be willing to donate my male organs.
From my understanding, the skin of the male organ is used to form the female organ in MtF SRS.

Although I haven't studied this in great detail, seeing as I plan to undergo the surgery, not perform it.

(Late reply.)
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: maggiekarp on October 28, 2010, 08:24:49 pm
Please stop forcing your roleplaying game on everyone else.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: gatotsu911 on October 29, 2010, 04:39:59 pm
Please stop forcing your roleplaying game on everyone else.

THANK YOU.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 29, 2010, 07:36:24 pm
I'm sorry to drone on like this, but you folks who feel offended that one of your fellow Compendiumites is making your lives inconvenient by desiring to be Schala need to keep in mind that the trade-offs here are very seriously imbalanced: If PSZ is grappling with transsexual issues, you could literally ruin her life by offering this kind of antagonism. Ignoring or putting up with the exploitation of a much loved Chrono character is not exactly the worst hardship in the world. My advice? Deal with it. The soldiers of World War II had to fight Nazis and influenza at the same time, and somehow managed to pull it off. You can deal with this.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: maggiekarp on October 29, 2010, 10:50:36 pm
I didn't even know she had a penis before this thread. That's not really relevant.

She's just insane. I'd say this no matter what character she decided on, even if it was outside the Chrono series. She needs to get HELP, not an ass pat, and just ignoring her doesn't seem to help if she's trying to go this far.

Also saying she's better than the Nazis IS NOT A GOOD ARGUMENT.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: TheMage on October 30, 2010, 01:20:36 am
I suggest people stop trying to 'help' Princess Schala Zeal. I don't think there is anything wrong with her. So she identifies herself as Schala, have you looked at the memberlist? How many people's screen names have Crono, Lucca, and magus  etc in them. Granted, these members may not present themselves as actual characters, but everyone at some point or another has wanted to be someone else.

If she believes she's Schala who the hell really cares? I mean if it bothers people that much, dont read what she has to say.  Why impose your beliefs on how you think people should behave on her for expressing herself? She's not afraid to be different, and thats an honorable quality. She doesn't care what people think about her, so why should anyone waste their time insulting her on this thread? She doesnt have to conform to socities wishes. She's not hurting anyone, she simply, had a request. If you dont like what she has to say, dont read and keep your opinions to yourself if you have nothing nice to say, dont say it unless she attacks you first.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on October 31, 2010, 07:08:59 am
Too bad Sharon Angle didn't heed this advice. Heh.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: maggiekarp on October 31, 2010, 09:41:45 pm
But she DOES care what other people think about her, she just doesn't like that it's bad and wants us to bend around her and not laugh and treat her better than we would another person. Because she wants to be a tiny electric lady.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 01, 2010, 02:43:24 am
You are an understanding person. We have an opportunity to be understanding here. All but the worst people deserve as much, and PSZ is far from the west.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: gatotsu911 on November 01, 2010, 02:23:12 pm
We have an opportunity to be understanding here. All but the worst people deserve as much, and PSZ is far from the west.

I really like this philosophy and believe that it's one to live by, but I must insist that sometimes, some people - even if they're not bad people - just need to be slapped in the face and told to GROW THE FUCK UP. Coddling them will do nothing but enable their childish delusions.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 01, 2010, 05:46:50 pm
Non-mainstream sexuality is not a childish delusion. Sexuality is a critical component of most people's identity and those who fall outside the norm are subjected to gross misunderstanding and mistreatment even in the best environments, and violence and eradication throughout much of the world. You, and those of you who are harassing PSZ because you perceive her to be acting inappropriately, need to make a distinction between actual inappropriate behavior, and behavior that is simply outside the norm. I know that PSZ has said some derogatory things in the past about women. That's an example of inappropriate behavior. Wanting to be treated like Schala Zeal is not inappropriate, especially when you recognize the motivation behind it. In our transsexual-phobic culture, people who discover they are transsexual often come to grips with that in a roundabout way, such as by latching on to something familiar and positive--like a good video game character who has undergone their own brand of suffering and hardship.

Schala isn't real. Anyone who wants to take up her mantle is welcome to do so. There's nothing wrong with that, and even less so when the reason is a just one. Coming to terms with one's own nature is a just reason indeed.

I honestly think that if you are so small-minded, so uncomfortable at the thought of this slightly-realer-than-you-want roleplaying, the best thing you can do is just hold your tongues and ignore her. But if you really want to grow up--and you've got some of your own growing up to do so long as you continue to obliviously harass other people--you should try to be more understanding, more accepting, and more open.

I hope this can put an end to the discussion, because I don't like talking about PSZ's personal life here in a public forum like she isn't even here. It becomes necessary when folks gang up to bully her, but this is so outside the bounds of relevant discussion for this board. I hope we can turn to brighter topics now.

Also: I don't know how I wrote "west" instead of "worst" in my previous post. =/
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: cantelope on November 01, 2010, 06:13:00 pm
If it's not too much trouble is there a more detailed reason why you believe you are Princess Schala Zeal besides what's been stated? I want to make it clear that this is not an attack but as a bystander in all of this I'm curious to know the reasons behind your suggestion if it's not too personal.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: gatotsu911 on November 01, 2010, 08:21:54 pm
Non-mainstream sexuality is not a childish delusion. Sexuality is a critical component of most people's identity and those who fall outside the norm are subjected to gross misunderstanding and mistreatment even in the best environments, and violence and eradication throughout much of the world. You, and those of you who are harassing PSZ because you perceive her to be acting inappropriately, need to make a distinction between actual inappropriate behavior, and behavior that is simply outside the norm. I know that PSZ has said some derogatory things in the past about women. That's an example of inappropriate behavior. Wanting to be treated like Schala Zeal is not inappropriate, especially when you recognize the motivation behind it. In our transsexual-phobic culture, people who discover they are transsexual often come to grips with that in a roundabout way, such as by latching on to something familiar and positive--like a good video game character who has undergone their own brand of suffering and hardship.

Schala isn't real. Anyone who wants to take up her mantle is welcome to do so. There's nothing wrong with that, and even less so when the reason is a just one. Coming to terms with one's own nature is a just reason indeed.

I honestly think that if you are so small-minded, so uncomfortable at the thought of this slightly-realer-than-you-want roleplaying, the best thing you can do is just hold your tongues and ignore her. But if you really want to grow up--and you've got some of your own growing up to do so long as you continue to obliviously harass other people--you should try to be more understanding, more accepting, and more open.

I hope this can put an end to the discussion, because I don't like talking about PSZ's personal life here in a public forum like she isn't even here. It becomes necessary when folks gang up to bully her, but this is so outside the bounds of relevant discussion for this board. I hope we can turn to brighter topics now.

Also: I don't know how I wrote "west" instead of "worst" in my previous post. =/

Okay, first. Nobody is harassing "her". We would be harassing "her" if we were sending "her" insulting messages for the sole purpose of causing "her" emotional distress. Nobody, to my knowledge, is doing that. We are, however, expressing our distaste with "her" bringing "her" private issues into this particular public forum. Some are doing this while also attempting to be politically correct and diplomatic. That's probably for the better, but I, such being my inclination, am being a little more frank about the matter. The entire topic of this thread started as a request for PSZ to be given special status because "she" thinks "she's" a video game character, for Christ's sake!! There is nothing inappropriate or derogatory about expressing our distaste over the kind of narcissism and delusion on display here. Furthermore, "she" has made "her" "personal business" OUR business by airing it on this forum. We're not like, say, the trolls harassing Christian Weston Chandler. We've mentioned nothing regarding "her" personal life that "she" has not brought up "herself". And she continues to do so, each time obviously expecting a response. Should we coddle "her" and pretend that there is nothing unusual or wrong with what "she" is endeavoring to do? Or should we react honestly, and in the way that most of our society almost certainly will? If "her" fantasy world is as insular as it appears to be, it's unlikely anything we say (apart, that is, from what "she" wants to hear) will burst her bubble anyhow. Which, I suppose, brings me back around to my main point: we're not angry because of who PSZ is or what she wants, we are angry because "she" is forcing us to deal with it by bringing it up in our forum.

Now, were I in Zeality's shoes, I would provide "her" with an ultimatum: Participate in discussions that are on-topic or appropriate to this forum and relegate "her" psychosexual issues to private messages and/or other websites, or risk a ban. I don't know how he feels about all this, but that's my two cents.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Sajainta on November 01, 2010, 08:36:45 pm
Okay seriously, there is absolutely no need to put "her" and "she" in quotation marks.  It's derogatory and insulting.  That has nothing to do with PSZ.  I'm not transgendered, but I will try to defend those who are.  God knows they could use more people with some understanding...
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Lance VII on November 01, 2010, 09:23:12 pm
PSZ is just another forumer who's taken RPing a little too far.

Other than that, she's a talented level design and an intelligent human being.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 01, 2010, 09:36:43 pm
Okay, first. Nobody is harassing "her".

This entire topic is a harassment against her, and your use of quotation marks, like Saji pointed out, is an affirmation that you are completely oblivious to the harassment you and others are doling out. What would it take for you to become aware of the wrong that you are doing? What's so bad about admitting, "Hey, I was wrong about this. My bad, and apologies for causing any offense!"?

Now, were I in Zeality's shoes, I would provide "her" with an ultimatum: Participate in discussions that are on-topic or appropriate to this forum and relegate "her" psychosexual issues to private messages and/or other websites, or risk a ban.

You don't want to go there. None of the three site administrators is likely to take a positive view of your bigoted attempt to marginalize somebody who is going through a process of self-acceptance. Moreover, if you drag the site administration into this, then you will have locked yourself into an unwinnable situation: Either your bigotry will backfire and you'll be the one on the receiving end of disciplinary action, or your complaint will succeed and you will have denied a safe haven to somebody who is going through a very difficult time.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: maggiekarp on November 01, 2010, 11:35:16 pm
It's not bigotry. It's not harassment. She's pretending to be a videogame character and that's insane. Defending her for that and saying it's "just part of her journey" is insulting to other people who struggle with sexual identity issues.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: maggiekarp on November 01, 2010, 11:49:44 pm
Also I'd like if we could talk about Schala the character again without worrying about her turning it into a rp thread
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: gatotsu911 on November 02, 2010, 12:28:22 am
@Sajainta: Consider it a compromise. I was going to simply use "he"/"him" (no quotation marks), but figured that would be taking it a little too far. Besides, as I understand it, he/she is still, at this point in time, biologically male. And when it comes to determining gender, biology is what I go by.

@Lance VII: I'm not attempting to call that into question. I don't know him/her personally and therefore can't attest to the quality of his/her character beyond what I've seen. I'll assume that what you're saying is true, because I see no reason to believe that it isn't. You people seem to think that I have some sort of personal vendetta against PSZ. I don't. All I ask is that he/she deal with his/her private, personal issues in a way that doesn't involve an entire forum dedicated to something completely unrelated.

@Lord J Esq: This entire thread is harassment?? This entire thread was STARTED BY PSZ, TO DISCUSS HIM/HERSELF. I'm sorry some of the responses he/she got were not of the "accepting" variety that he/she might have hoped for. Except I'm not really sorry, because I don't think this is an appropriate topic, I don't think this is an appropriate thread, and if nothing else, I don't regret taking the position that nearly everyone PSZ will have to contend with in the foreseeable future will most likely take. Look, I AM sorry if PSZ is "going through some difficult times". That's a shame. I sincerely hope he/she finds a healthier, more effective way of dealing with it. (Like, say, therapy.) But I've "gone through some difficult times" too. Maybe I haven't had to deal with the same type of difficulties, but the difficult times I've been through were pretty fucking difficult nonetheless. If you've never "been through some difficult times", then damn, you're pretty lucky. At no point during my own struggles have I gone into a fan community for a game/movie/anime, announced that I am LITERALLY a character from that story, and requested that I be treated as such. The reason I have never done this has less to do with the fact that I haven't grappled with major issues of sexual identity than the fact that it's absurd, obnoxious, vain, and to put it in "bigoted" layman's terms, incredibly fucking stupid. I'm not going to get into the topic of transsexuality because that's really a private issue, my own opinions on it just as much as anything. But I absolutely am going to make noise about the roleplaying thing, because it's obnoxious, it's discomforting, and as can be seen on this very thread, it's tearing this community apart.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Schala Zeal on November 02, 2010, 07:13:54 am
Ehh... I think I was mismotivated. I wasn't really wanting to be treated better than others. I just felt I wanted some recognition I guess. This is months old so I don't really comprehend my motive for this anymore.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: maggiekarp on November 02, 2010, 10:56:38 am
Well, we all have those "attention whore" moments. If you really have changed that much since this topic started, I'm sorry the board moves slow enough for it to seem like something recent.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: Mauron on November 02, 2010, 02:13:56 pm
This topic cannot end well.

PSZ or anyone else with the ability, please lock it.
Title: Re: Silly suggestion, but I'll say it anyway...
Post by: FaustWolf on November 02, 2010, 11:09:32 pm
Agreed.