Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Characters, Plot, and Themes => Topic started by: SilentMartyr on June 12, 2005, 02:51:42 pm
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I was just playing through the Blackbird and came across a line that I think can finally rest that argument.
It's a massive magic energy reaction!
He said that right before the GolemBoss. I think that this proves that Dalton can perform Magic. But rebuttle is welcome :)
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Whats the context of that?
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I was just playing through the Blackbird and came across a line that I think can finally rest that argument.
It's a massive magic energy reaction!
He said that right before the GolemBoss. I think that this proves that Dalton can perform Magic. But rebuttle is welcome :)
Dalton can use Magic, when you killed is Golem when you first see Queen Zeal, he summons it (magically) and if you kill it (did it in new Game +) he do some magic that instantly kill your allies.
Like Sentenal said, what is this suppose to prove ?
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It was never solidified that Dalton could use magic. Nothing ever said he used magic. All of his other attacks can be explained by other means.
I guess this isn't as groundbreaking as I thought...
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He is a man of Zeal, however, and one of very high standing. It would be exceedingly strange if he could rise to such a position amongst the people and not have any sorcerous powers. After all, those of Zeal seem to be most condescending to any that are un-Enlightened, as that would make Dalton. Remember, however, that he casts a mighty fire at your party, which is the manner in which they are captured and taken aboard the Blackbird. I think that alone should exemplify his power. Moreoever, any golem is, essentially, magical: a golem is, in legend, a creature of clay brought to life by magical means for the purpose of servitude. To have power over these creatures near certainly precludes knowledge of enchantment.
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so to summarize...
earthbound ones didnt have magical abilities
Zealians Possesed Sorcery and magical powers
Dalton=zealian and and by my count fourth in line to the throne
So for him NOT to have any powers wouldent make sense.
the realization that "dalton has magical power" is not one at all.
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Of course only the people who think he has magical abilities will post. Grrr.
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Well, from his Plus form's counter attack, we can surmise he is ironically lightning/heaven innately, but that's not a magic attack. The only things we see him use that could be magic are:
1) Teleportation (Terra Cave, Ocean Palace)
2) Summoning various Golems
3) Shooting fire at the party in the Last Village
#1 could be a result of Zealot magical technology. The other two are a bit harder to disbunk...
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I was just playing through the Blackbird and came across a line that I think can finally rest that argument.
It's a massive magic energy reaction!
He said that right before the GolemBoss. I think that this proves that Dalton can perform Magic. But rebuttle is welcome :)
Maybe Robo's talking about the GolemBoss, or the Epoch?
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Wait, Robo said that?
Teloportation could be some magic based Zealian technology.
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I was just playing through the Blackbird and came across a line that I think can finally rest that argument.
It's a massive magic energy reaction!
He said that right before the GolemBoss. I think that this proves that Dalton can perform Magic. But rebuttle is welcome :)
Maybe Robo's talking about the GolemBoss, or the Epoch?
He says it before the gate appears, when they stop on the corner of the wing.
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I don't think Dalton made that gate, or he wouldn't have tried to summon the Golem Boss after the fight on the Epoch.
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So you are implying that the Golems are of thier own free will??
Most likely Dalton did not realize that the GolemBoss had run away, which was why he resummoned it.
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He didnt resummon it. You fight the golem boss in the lower left wing of the blackbird. Dalton didnt know that you fought and drove it away. So dalton was sucked into the portal (which is most likely a gate)
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He didnt resummon it. You fight the golem boss in the lower left wing of the blackbird. Dalton didnt know that you fought and drove it away. So dalton was sucked into the portal (which is most likely a gate)
Impossible, that would mean he had the magical power to time travel that would make him REALLY powerful.
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He didnt resummon it. You fight the golem boss in the lower left wing of the blackbird. Dalton didnt know that you fought and drove it away. So dalton was sucked into the portal (which is most likely a gate)
Impossible, that would mean he had the magical power to time travel that would make him REALLY powerful.
Not neccessarially. It could perhaps be that the fall of the golem created an unforseen temporal instability, forming a gate into which Dalton fell. Thus while the magic that formed the gate is inherently his, it is not a purposed effect, nor one that he would have control of.
However, I have always thought that the gate was rather the portal to and from wherever the golem is summoned from, or else a certain non-space from which things can formed. Whichever is the case, the defeat of the mighty golem served to create a sort of counter-summon where, rather than drawing a creature from that realm into this, it drew from this into that - the flow-force of the summon spell was effectively turned backward upon its master, reversing it. Wherever he went, I don't think he would have survived, though.
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Yes, as I recall all of the Golems are summoned from black 'gates' (if you must) or holes in reality or whatever...Gates into whatever Summoned world there is where all of the Summoned creatures come from (perhaps the same place that the CC Elemental Summons come from even). They didn't seem like any of the Temporal gates seen previously.
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The only gates they looked like were the gates that Lavos made to teleport the guru's and Janus, if Lavos made them at all.
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The only gates they looked like were the gates that Lavos made to teleport the guru's and Janus, if Lavos made them at all.
I believe the Lavos Spawn in the Ocean Palace (or was it the Black Omen?) appeared from a same kind of portal.
Maybe the Tubster monsters too, I'm not sure.
The Aliens inside the Black Omen are able to cast Black Holes (which are rainbow-colored, not black like Magus' spell), so perhaps Dalton studied their ability or something.
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The only gates they looked like were the gates that Lavos made to teleport the guru's and Janus, if Lavos made them at all.
I believe the Lavos Spawn in the Ocean Palace (or was it the Black Omen?) appeared from a same kind of portal.
Maybe the Tubster monsters too, I'm not sure.
The Aliens inside the Black Omen are able to cast Black Holes (which are rainbow-colored, not black like Magus' spell), so perhaps Dalton studied their ability or something.
The Tubsters were summoned by that spinning yellow triangle. The Spawn does come the same way, the question is did the Queen or Lavos perform that summon?