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Title: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: GenesisOne on August 14, 2009, 04:26:25 pm

There's always a talk about the greatest RPGs every made for our generation, but you never hear about RPGs that you would do well to steer away from.  The poll just lists the most widely known examples of terrible RPG production.  If you've had a terrible RPG experience that didn't make the list, more power to you for posting your two cents worth on it.

I personally think it's Quest 64, mostly because at the time, the Nintendo 64 had no RPGs in its library.  So much for that ray of light.  The game itself has no cut-scenes or even any puzzles to solve. 

One would know better than to toss aside these two important elements that are present in almost any RPG you pick up and play.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: V_Translanka on August 14, 2009, 04:52:48 pm
idk...a completely negative thread...? What kind of precedence does bashing certain games set? People put a lot of their time and work into making these games hoping people would play and enjoy them. Do we really have such a superiority complex that we need to put them down for said work? Its basically the opposite of a "Favorite..." thread (which I find equally distasteful)...
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Truthordeal on August 14, 2009, 04:57:14 pm
Eyed hafta pick that there Chrono Trigger. Eet's the worst game eeeeeever!
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: MDenham on August 14, 2009, 05:52:51 pm
idk...a completely negative thread...? What kind of precedence does bashing certain games set? People put a lot of their time and work into making these games hoping people would play and enjoy them. Do we really have such a superiority complex that we need to put them down for said work? Its basically the opposite of a "Favorite..." thread (which I find equally distasteful)...
It tells us which games deserve a MST3K-style run, complete with snarky commentary.

I voted "other" and say it's actually a tie between FF2 and FF7, but (1) I haven't played a whole lot of RPGs and (2) this has more to do with that I just don't enjoy either one than that they're necessarily bad.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Thought on August 14, 2009, 06:03:53 pm
I liked Quest 64; the spirit system was interesting. Certainly, not the best RPG ever, but a fine first effort. Too bad it remained a first effert.

Course, a truly horrible game is the one that you stop playing and forget about, so one wouldn't expect it to be listed here anywho.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Romana on August 14, 2009, 07:00:44 pm
Haven't played any on the list, but I do recall playing the Lunar game for the DS for about 3 minutes and wondering how anyone could bear owning it.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: GenesisOne on August 14, 2009, 07:17:00 pm
I think the game you're referring to is either Lunar Knights or Lunar: Dragon Song.  What exactly was it that got you so turned off of this game?  IMHO, just sticking the word "Dragon" in the title doesn't automatically make it a super RPG to play.

For the record, I didn't intent for this to be viewed as a "negative thread".  This thread is simply for the purpose of looking back at examples of RPGs that were less than stellar in your own opinion for any number of reasons (storyline, characters, battle system, menu system, and so on).  Heck, it doesn't even have to be an RPG.  It could be any game, for that matter.

Though if it were the worst game you could think of, that would defeat the purpose of this thread just being restricted to RPGs.  Hey, if this topic can be renamed "Worst Game You Ever Played", I'd do it in a snap.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 14, 2009, 07:48:11 pm
Haven't really played too many RPGs I haven't liked. I very much enjoyed Quest 64, underrated. Sure, it's different, but it is not bad. It just has unique taste, like Radical Dreamers. Worst I know of would be Timestalkers on Dreamcast. I like the game cause it has a good story and it relates to time travel(one of the reasons I love Chrono). But the gameplay is very simple. It's the most literal form of RPG gameplay there is. You attack, I attack, you attack, I attack, you attack, I attack, etc. It's a matter of who has more guys on their team, and who's the higher level. And that's the game's main draw back. Every time you enter a dungeon, no matter how late in the game you start off at LV.1. And it isn't a random encounter system, it's like Chrono so there is no respawning enemies so in order to be able to beat the boss you have to go around the dungeon aimlessly looking for enemies. And unfortunately at LV. 1 you can only stock 4 items with you so you can't even at least prepare yourself for the enemies which unlike you seem to get tougher as the game goes on. You can permanantly upgrade your stats sometimes... for an insane amount of gold. This all means as the enemies get tougher you must raise your level up higher each time. So eventually you will be expected to go from LV. 1 to LV. 60 in just one dungeon. You can save in the dungeon, but only to have the game shut off and when you come back later your save disappears. It doesn't keep track of your level for one specific dungeon either. Whatever the reason, you leave a dungeon and you drop from LV. 88 to Lv. 1 again. You think it's hard leveling up in DQ games? Think it's hard to get to LV. 99 in CT or CC? Those are all nothing compared to having to level up to LV. 99 every time you play a level. This includes sidequests, which you have to do if you want decent items so in the later levels you don't get slaughtered.

Timestalkers has a good story, great graphics, great everything. They just horribly messed up with the gameplay mechanics. maybe if you could keep your level it wouldn't be as bad. But the worst RPG ver, I tried typing it on Google, not many good opinions to follow. People just seem to name the big popular names and it's just they tried and didn't like it. Mostly got Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy XII, and Chrono Cross. After seeing the third one I alreayd lost faith in them. Bastards. Although now that I think abotu it XII was pretty bad...

If you're talking EVERY GAME...
ET for Atari 2600.
Superman 64 for N64
Ninjabread Man for Wii
Shaq Fu(still have it AND the CD :lol: ) for Genesis and SNES
Charlie's Angels for Gamecube
Big Rigs Over The Road Racing for PC
Spawn The Eternal for PS
Anubis II for Wii(now Anubis I is a different story lol)
Back To The future for NES
Need I go on? :lol:
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Shee on August 14, 2009, 08:30:49 pm
Quest 64 was sauce...I was so pissed when I rented that turd!  Granted, it's been eons since I played it. 

But Shaq Fu!?!?!?!?!?  Not exactly an RPG, was it?  Been a whiiiile since I played that one...almost as bad as Michael Jordan: Chaos In The Windy City or some garbage like that where you save the world with basketballs.  A game about saving the world with basketballs and I didn't like it, need you know more?

I think that the fact Shaq Fu even existed is enough to enshrine it in some sort of Commemorative Hall.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: alfadorredux on August 14, 2009, 09:00:34 pm
If strategy RPGs count, I would probably pick Kartia: The World of Fate...although for all
I know, it might have been a decent game if it had been properly translated. As it was,
I kept on expecting one of the characters to suddenly exclaim, "All your base are belong
to us!" (Yes, it was so badly done that wouldn't have been out of place.) This broke immersion
so badly for me that I gave up on the game about four or five battles in.

Otherwise, the first Persona and Unlimited Saga would pretty much tie, as I found both
immensely tedious to play, with an honourable mention going to Final Fantasy VIII for
having produced characters that I hated and a plot that often hinged on those
characters being adolescent morons.

Of course, I haven't played any of the games on the list, so my picks might very easily
not be the crappiest ever. (http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/369/iconalfador.gif)
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: V_Translanka on August 14, 2009, 09:51:05 pm
So it basically boils down to video game discussion that could go in any one of the video game discussion threads in the General Discussion forum...>_>

Lunar: Dragon Song got better once you got around to the questing which helped out with getting moneys a bit (though you were still going to be doing that weird double-grinding)...
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Mr Bekkler on August 14, 2009, 11:01:28 pm
I hate Earthbound's battle system, and yet I love the game ever so much.

Also, I'd put FF Chronicles on the list for the load times. Only the PSX version, but still. It was that bad.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on August 14, 2009, 11:32:01 pm
Worst RPG?  Maybe Paladin's Quest.  Or Secret of the Stars (or whatever that awful game was called).

Worst translation?  Having recently been playing Legend of Dragoon, I must say... The translation is horrific.  Fun story (quite cliche, however), fun graphics, fun battle system... But horrid translation.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Samopoznanie on August 15, 2009, 01:19:48 am
Has to be Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest for me, hands down. A stain on the FF franchise. Godawful in every department. Graphics, sound, writing, gameplay, you name it.

Of the options listed, I would vote for Lagoon.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Lord J Esq on August 15, 2009, 01:30:15 am
The Secret of Evermore, the Illusion of Gaia, and Terranigma all count as some of the worst RPGs I've personally played.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Truthordeal on August 15, 2009, 01:34:48 am
Sword of Mana for the Game Boy Advance.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: KebreI on August 15, 2009, 01:50:39 am
Worst...well I've played a lot of games that were terrible to the point of me playing it because it was so incredibly bad. but worst well hmm....


Last Odyssey and FFII I guess both of which were completely uninteresting and boring the worst thing for a game to be.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: V_Translanka on August 15, 2009, 02:26:47 am
Having recently been playing Legend of Dragoon, I must say... The translation is horrific.  Fun story (quite cliche, however)...

Legend of Dragoon, much like Chrono Trigger, starts out quite cliché, but picks up as it goes along...I don't know anything about its translation though...I thought it was a good first try from SCEA and still don't quite understand why they haven't seemed to give it a second go (even if not a LoD2)...
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: IAmSerge on August 15, 2009, 12:02:29 pm
I played Quest 64 once.

I never want to play it again... except to figure out why the f*** i played it in the first place?
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: GenesisOne on August 15, 2009, 08:25:50 pm
Legend of Dragoon, much like Chrono Trigger, starts out quite cliché, but picks up as it goes along...I don't know anything about its translation though...I thought it was a good first try from SCEA and still don't quite understand why they haven't seemed to give it a second go (even if not a LoD2)...

I kind of feel the same way about Heavenly Sword.  I still don't get why don't produce the sequel to one of the best-selling games of 2007.  But then again, I'm not that big a fan of the PS3.  Kinda sounds hypocritical, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: ZaichikArky on August 18, 2009, 07:01:30 am
I have never even heard of any of those games. I'm very selective about the RPGs I play and these days, I do research to find the best ones. Too bad that I don't have any terrible RPG-playing experiences... or maybe not.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Thought on August 24, 2009, 06:13:20 pm
Huh... I like alot of the games mentioned so far. Evermore, Terranigma, Mystic Quest, those are all games that I still might break out and play.

As long as it has fun gameplay, I'm good (which is probably why I own Gauntlet).
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Captain B on August 24, 2009, 07:05:21 pm
 Quest 64 isn't so bad if you know and can tell which fucking direction you're going in before it's too late (Cull Hazard took 3 days cause I kept walking back to the start.) Besides, Baragoon Moore was badass.

  I'd elect Y's III. The first two in the series are living legends, but #3 on SNES was like...         dumb NPC's, dumb jRPG hair/armor/sword, and you have just your sword. Though, I did like the Lava zone: reminded me of Konami's Salamander kinda, with the flame arches, the birds, and the serpent miniboss.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 24, 2009, 07:39:59 pm
RPGs are just generally good! it seems other genres you can very easily come up with a top ten worst games in it's genre but RPG it seems difficult to come up with even one!
the one I listed is annoying and the worst I've played, but it's a good game! Gotta agree with Thought. This makes me wonder now... and curious simply for finding it and nothing else, what IS some of the worst RPGs ever?

Edit: Yes, I know many of my phrasings are complete butchers on the english dialect but I'm busy with some very important and don't have time to think out what I type right now!
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Redline57 on November 26, 2017, 04:06:43 am
I'm gonna pick one people may know. Lots of bad games, and tho Mystic Quest wasn't great, there was an X factor in there if you can get into it. On paper, it sucked, and like FF6, the dungeons were too long.

For me, worst RPG I ever played was Chrono Cross!

Yes really. I thought it's music and stuff was decent but the excess of characters made everyone seem so 'generic' in reply. And this was years before I knew about multi-plot games like Saga Frontier.

The problem with Chrono Cross was the storyline as a concept. In fragments, watching someone play it you might think its part of some awesome and long RPG like FF7. But when you really get into it, it just feels like... a generic RPG. Like it wasn't made with a dreamteam, with love, or passion or a real desire to create something. It felt scripted like it was a boss telling his subbordinates to make X Y and Z by a certain date. I for one felt that it was a generic RPG that rode on Chrono Trigger's coattails. Without knowing of radical dreamers there was NO connection for a lot of people, and its like someone took the last version of the script and threw in some words like "arris dome" and "chrono trigger" in there and made a couple references to ride on CT's coattails. This game was Mario 2. A game made from another factory with a stamp on it, a few CT words bolted on just to sell a few more copies. If this game was sold in america with a name like "seiken densetsu 4" it would have been a total flop. The whole ending, you hear that speech and then just...lets toss in the name Schala and say she's been the ultimate enemy. I was like what the hell? This was outta nowhere.

I played through all of Chrono Cross JUST because I love Chrono Trigger as my favorite RPG ever made. Otherwise I wouldn't have finished it, no question.

P.S. Screw Capcha
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: To4oo4 on April 13, 2019, 07:53:03 pm
Foto Showdown.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Toreadore on April 13, 2019, 09:43:44 pm
Not sure if it counts as bad, but Jade Cocoon felt pretty meh to me. I didn't care about any of the characters or the story, and I just kept pushing through a battle system I sort of grasped. Don't even remember the ending. I just assume whatever disease targeting the women went away.

I beat Phantasy Star Zero, but wasn't too hot about it either. Also didn't help that the music was shit.

I don't think Chrono Cross was the worst, but as an RPG and "the" CT sequel, it definitely falls short. Great for "what ifs" though, okay as a side game.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Razig on April 14, 2019, 04:29:36 pm
If I'm being objective, Final Fantasy Mystic Quest is hands-down the worst RPG I've ever played. But I knew its reputation and understood what I was getting myself into. I just had to experience the badness for myself to truly believe it.

On the other hand, the biggest disappointment for me personally was Seiken Densetsu 3. Beautiful graphics, beautiful music, sequel to one of the greatest games of all time... I had high hopes. But the tedious combat system and horrendous level curve rendered it a nigh-unplayable slog. I wish I could go back and un-play it; better it remain a mystery than an unpleasant memory.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 15, 2019, 10:07:30 am
I was also a bit disappointed by SD3. I played it when the English ROM first came out (2000-ish?) but gave up. A few years ago I finally replayed it and beat it.

I think your complaints are the same I had: grind-y at times due to poor level curve, lackluster advances in combat mechanics, etc. I was also frustrated by the multi-protagonist/branching storyline element. I dunno, I have never loved that mechanic in video games, since it requires multiple playthroughs to see all the content and I rarely get the chance to play a game more than once.

But yeah, the soundtrack was topnotch and the graphics were stellar; they were probably the pinnacle of SNES 16-bit graphics.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Razig on April 15, 2019, 06:23:28 pm
I think your complaints are the same I had: grind-y at times due to poor level curve, lackluster advances in combat mechanics, etc.

I don't mind grinding so much when it's optional, but when it's absolutely required for progression, I grow tired of it very quickly. This can be mitigated somewhat if the battle system is interesting, but this game also failed at that. Enemies weren't dangerous at all (except I think there was a ninja with a really unfair one-hit-kill move), they just had absurdly high hit points. Battles felt more like chopping lumber than fighting.

I guess maybe my expectations here are a bit high. Chrono Trigger really spoiled me in this regard—the level curve is absolutely perfect. You never have to grind, but if you want to, battling is actually fun.


I was also frustrated by the multi-protagonist/branching storyline element. I dunno, I have never loved that mechanic in video games, since it requires multiple playthroughs to see all the content and I rarely get the chance to play a game more than once.

Ordinarily I enjoy that kind of thing, but I couldn't stomach the thought of grinding through a replay. My problem with the story was that my characters didn't mesh well (I picked the knight, the witch, and the little cleric girl). They never once came across as an actual party; just three people who happened to be traveling together for whatever reason. Maybe other character combinations were better.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Acacia Sgt on April 15, 2019, 11:37:16 pm
Regarding SD3's party members, in theory since the protagonists come in three pairs, then it should help having at least one full pair. Then again, your party had one full pair (Duran and Angela, from the sound of it), yet you say it didn't help. So beats me.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Redline57 on June 11, 2019, 02:06:32 am
The inherent problem with multi-story games (specially back then) is if you talk about it with your friends or anyone, you had a 20 hour game maybe that you coul dhave played once, and the other person didnt even have the same experience. I played Saga Frontier, you pick from SEVEN different games. Soemtimes the overlap is so much that you never play all 7 of em, so you choose one. I did, and never again till 15 years later. i picked the same 1st character again. Such was SD3, its a different expeneice for people, so it makes the game like a choose your own adventure book. A cool idea but not so much fun for replay or in actuality.
Title: Re: Worst RPG Ever
Post by: Captain B on June 16, 2019, 10:25:54 am
dafuq

I liked Lagoon, and I really liked Quest 64