Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Chrono Trigger DS Analysis => Topic started by: Dialga_Palkia on June 15, 2009, 11:48:42 pm
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didn't gaspar say that no more than three can come out of the gate? He said something about time being disable. or the end of time itself disabled. OR did he mean that three person a group may enter the gate?
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More than three can enter as long as they come from the same era. If they are from at least two different ones, then only three maximum.
If you mean about how all seven were together for the campfire scene, that's easy: Two groups of three using either the nearest gate or Epoch. If Magus was with them, then have one of either group return for the one who was left behind.
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More than three can enter as long as they come from the same era. If they are from at least two different ones, then only three maximum.
that REALLY makes no sense...
Edit: sorry, what my intention was to ask for reasoning or explanation behind this because gaspar said nothing about this.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/maggiekarp/poshul/marledoesawordproblem.png)
You have an Epoch and must get Ayla, Frog, and Magus across the river of Time to Fiona's Forest. Ayla will eat Frog if left alone, and Frog will kill Magus if left alone. You can only take one across at a time.
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What? Funny, though.
Anyway...
More than three can enter as long as they come from the same era. If they are from at least two different ones, then only three maximum.
that REALLY makes no sense...
Edit: sorry, what my intention was to ask for reasoning or explanation behind this because gaspar said nothing about this.
Gaspar says so when you first meet him, in the re-translation at least.
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take frog across, take magus across and take frog back, take ayla across, then take frog across
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that REALLY makes no sense...
Edit: sorry, what my intention was to ask for reasoning or explanation behind this because gaspar said nothing about this.
Here ya go (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Conservation_of_Time.html). What Acacia Sgt. said was correct, but the detail was left out in the original CT (as in the SNES CT with the Woolsey translation):
The Japanese version of the game elaborates that at least one of the four beings must be from a different time period than the others, though this is still completely arbitrary and used to reason why the party must have three members at all times.
Hope that helps.
8)
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maggiekarp did you read XKCD's take on the problem?
--JP
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I think I did but I can't recall it at the moment.
[edit] FOUND IT! (http://xkcd.com/589/) And it only took fifty million clicks on the random button!
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haha yea I love that one :)
--JP
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What Bekkler said was correct
In what thread? :D
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/maggiekarp/poshul/marledoesawordproblem.png)
You have an Epoch and must get Ayla, Frog, and Magus across the river of Time to Fiona's Forest. Ayla will eat Frog if left alone, and Frog will kill Magus if left alone. You can only take one across at a time.
Best CT quiz I've ever seen.
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What Bekkler said was correct
In what thread? :D
Bwahaha, I meant Acacia Sgt. I suppose my love for you is seeping through too many topics. :P
Anyhow, who is to say that they all used the same gate to get to the campfire anyway? I don't really see an issue here...
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And I was wondering...
Anyhow, who is to say that they all used the same gate to get to the campfire anyway? I don't really see an issue here...
The Gate Key, they only have one, so they also have to use the Epoch. That leaves one party member still in the EoT though, which is why one of either group has to go back for him/her.
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And I was wondering...
Anyhow, who is to say that they all used the same gate to get to the campfire anyway? I don't really see an issue here...
The Gate Key, they only have one, so they also have to use the Epoch. That leaves one party member still in the EoT though, which is why one of either group has to go back for him/her.
Or 2+2+3. As in, three go through the gate, one comes back, three go through the gate, one comes back, three go through the gate, all done!
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Hm...And don't they need a gate key just to activate the portal? Is it necessary to have it to travel through the gate? If the answer is "no" then only one person, who holds the gate key, can send others through the gate and, after that, travel through time by him-/herself.
All we know about the max number of people who can go through at once. But the game itself shows (when Lucca arrives in 600 A.D. on her own) that individual time traveling is quite possible.
So the question is: for what exact purpose do they need a gate key?
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...How come none of us remembered that Robo and three other party members were already in Fiona's Forest at the time?
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So the question is: for what exact purpose do they need a gate key?
The Gate Key is what opens the gates. Name explains use.
...How come none of us remembered that Robo and three other party members were already in Fiona's Forest at the time?
That's a good point, I guess they went with other variables of the situation. Then just have the other three use a gate.
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Hm...And don't they need a gate key just to activate the portal? Is it necessary to have it to travel through the gate?
It's not necessary, as shown by the main ending when each character goes in the Telepod Gate while Crono, Marle and Lucca stay and presumably hold the Gate Key.
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Anyhow, who is to say that they all used the same gate to get to the campfire anyway? I don't really see an issue here...
The Gate Key, they only have one, so they also have to use the Epoch. That leaves one party member still in the EoT though, which is why one of either group has to go back for him/her.
Of course, I kinda forgot about that Gate Key...
And it looks like MaggieKarp solved this conundrum anyway.
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Imagine you have Crono, Lucca, Marle and Robo in a group. You are in the end of time. Now imagine you push all 4 through any gate at the end of time... they would travel through time in the gate, but due to principles, the gate would send them back to the end of time... and they'd land in the same portal!
Infinte loop!
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Imagine you have Crono, Lucca, Marle and Robo in a group. You are in the end of time. Now imagine you push all 4 through any gate at the end of time... they would travel through time in the gate, but due to principles, the gate would send them back to the end of time... and they'd land in the same portal!
Infinte loop!
Hence the thread.
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Indeed, that would cause a serious trouble if done that way. However, since it's the EoT itself the starting point, who says the voyage can't be done if it's tried from the very place it should bring you to?
Not sure if it makes an exception or it does keeps the rule.