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Title: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Agent 12 on June 12, 2009, 02:35:08 am
Minds will be blown.

Video 45 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYGe2-aATw8&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=45&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 46 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTy5EEgko-c&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=46&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 47 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3zimBtImsQ&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=47&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 48 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cPEU-8reBo&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=48&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 49 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa5gMrAI1Ac&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=49&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Vehek on June 12, 2009, 02:37:02 am
Ah, one of the best scenes in the game, folks.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Agent 12 on June 12, 2009, 02:38:01 am
It was SO hard not to release it last night with chapter 14 :).

I'm so glad C99 convinced me to do it his way ;)

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Mr Bekkler on June 12, 2009, 02:59:22 am
It was SO hard not to release it last night with chapter 14 :).

I'm so glad C99 convinced me to do it his way ;)

--JP

But early is always awesome! Just keep that in mind.

 :D
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Corpse69 on June 12, 2009, 03:05:46 am
wow that was pretty awesome the scene at the base of the castle and then that bit were it had gatto fighting  also that flip that marle does xP great stuff i love how dark this game is also
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: RySenkari on June 12, 2009, 03:07:22 am
The boss in this chapter (no spoilerys for those who haven't watched the videos) is a nasty son of a bitch. It's hard to tell, because Faust is running an NG+ with uber-powerful characters, but is this chapter's boss one of the bosses who had his difficulty rebalanced from the alpha?
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Agent 12 on June 12, 2009, 03:08:02 am
It was SO hard not to release it last night with chapter 14 :).

I'm so glad C99 convinced me to do it his way ;)

--JP

But early is always awesome! Just keep that in mind.

 :D

Haha, whoops I meant this chapter. This chapter went had a huge last minute change that I was against. But Chrono'99 won out in the end.  

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: kid123 on June 12, 2009, 03:37:33 am
Hehe, Chrono'99 seem have a huge contribution in polishing the games, congratulation on you two. Without any fight and debate from you two the game will be turn out slightly unpolished.
Again I thanks you two :lol:

March into the footage ~~~
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Agent 12 on June 12, 2009, 03:49:25 am
99's polish is what makes the game good. I focused on getting the overall picture done, making sure the skeleton code was there, that battles were triggered in the right spot, getting dialogue/cutscenes in, basic maps etc.

But none of that matters if the game look good/ flow well and that's where Chrono'99 just.....went above and beyond my wildest dreams.

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Katie Skyye on June 12, 2009, 03:55:43 am
That was...so sad. :( I know it would have happened anyway, but it would have been sad THEN, as well--just in a different way.

And they STILL didn't get rid of him...! He needs to go down!
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: neologix on June 12, 2009, 04:01:59 am
a little bit of comedy in an otherwise tragic scene. this chapter probably was the defining chapter of echoes.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Agent 12 on June 12, 2009, 04:07:41 am
a little bit of comedy in an otherwise tragic scene. this chapter probably was the defining chapter of echoes.

Yea, I felt like it was important to have some funny CTesque scenes in this otherwise depressing chapter.

I'm not going to lie I still laugh when Taban catches that Porre guard, and root for Gato in Leene Square.

Fun Fact: I thought about having Gato get killed there (a la Robo in CT) and then bringing him into Lucca's house to get repaired (again....similar to CT).

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Happy-Dude on June 12, 2009, 04:28:03 am
AMAZING CHAPTER :') ...

Masamune, noooo!! (and I guess its almost time for this blade of heroes to be cursed... *sigh*)

I just can't believe that the entire world will never get to play this gem of fan work... Please, any update with the Square Enix side of things? (Any contact with SE of Jap?)

**Sorry for asking and not dropping the issue so simply... I just... The story really does... *sigh* (I haven't been following the recent threads as of late, and I dunno if FW has gathered any news [>.>]?)
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Chrono'99 on June 12, 2009, 08:33:34 am
Yeah usually I polish the scenes and maps and there are a few scenes I coded myself (for instance the Mystic Den and Glenn's decision, and the Atash Kedah), but here I didn't have to do anything, everything just blew my mind :)

I'd like to know why Cakulha is so kind all of a sudden though. He killed Marle and laughed at the death of rags-Cedric and the humans of the Reptite 1 AD... Why didn't he want to take over Chronopolis in this timeline? In my plot draft, he was supposed to still have caused a nuclear threat and whatnot, with the only difference being that the Central Regime wouldn't believe the Time Fortress rumors that spread after the missile base attack, and so Chronopolis wouldn't risk being discovered (which is the initial reason why Belthasar wanted to restore the Masamune timeline).
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Yourgingerestfan on June 12, 2009, 10:07:41 am
This was one badass chapter !
Marle doing a flip ....badgirl !
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Mbrady16 on June 12, 2009, 10:45:38 am
C'99, I agree.  I don't understand Cakulha at all - he seemed like a mean-spirited villain, pure and simple.  I don't know for sure but it almost seems implied that he broke the Xamoltan's "no intervention in the past" law in 1 A.D. with Cedric because all of a sudden the Reptites had those "weapons."  The first part where he goes soft I understood-- his species was focused on being one with the planet.  But to want to help now, for no apparent reason? Hmm...
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: FaustWolf on June 12, 2009, 11:03:03 am
This is where Belthasar reels Cakulha in? I guess I always thought that Belthasar/Agent 12 skillfully exploited Cakulha's love of science when they encountered him, and his sheer curiosity tamed him.

Yeah Ry, this chapter's boss battle would have been really difficult on a New Game runthrough if the last build I played before the walkthrough was any indication.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: NickyT on June 12, 2009, 12:17:32 pm
Wow, this was the best chapter yet, simply epic.

It tied in so perfectly with CT/CC, and now I am even more upset that we will never be able to actually play this awesome fan game.

Great job on EVERYTHING guys!
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Agent 12 on June 12, 2009, 12:28:16 pm
This is where Belthasar reels Cakulha in? I guess I always thought that Belthasar/Agent 12 skillfully exploited Cakulha's love of science when they encountered him, and his sheer curiosity tamed him.

I'll let Z answer (this was his scene). I tended to agree with FW's explanation here.  I don't really think chapter 12 would have happened like what we saw since the Central Regime is so different (there was no Vanguard anymore with the Masamune back).   I'm not even sure we mention rebels until the Vanguard appear.   

That being said we atleast should have had a better Marle reaction since he threw her in a jail to die.....

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: thegreatentropy on June 12, 2009, 12:35:35 pm
It's a little bit Spoilery, but I'll ask

Did you have remaked Dalton ai to the the once-king one, or was still the king/plus ai?
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: kid123 on June 12, 2009, 12:45:06 pm
You know, I still doubt that they tied CT and CC perfectly and complete all their loose ends. Zeality,Agent 12 and Chrono'99 the CE writers still left some plot left for interpretation like the fate of Lavos after the Atash Kedah in 65, 000 ,000 BC. On the bright side, fan/Compendiumite can whether write a fanfic based on CE storyline to cover the plot or discuss to death on the possible upcoming analysis thread.

Quote from: Agent 12
That being said we atleast should have had a better Marle reaction since he threw her in a jail to die.....

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there is no need for that? Marle does not has any memory
about being threw to jail, because she is another version of Marle from another timeline aka Masamuneless timeline. The Marle who died at prison is from Reptite timeline, and sent into DBT thanks to CMG interfering King Zeal, thus altering the Reptite timeline.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Chrono'99 on June 12, 2009, 12:58:03 pm
You know, I still doubt that they tied CT and CC perfectly and all their loose ends. Zeality,Agent 12 and Chrono'99 the CE writers still left some plot left for interpretation like the fate of Lavos after the Atash Kedah in 65, 000 ,000 BC. On the bright side, fan/Compendiumite can whether write a fanfic based on CE storyline to cover the plot or discuss to death on the possible upcoming analysis thread.

That's not a loose end since the Carmine Genesis is canceled (literally as soon as it happens from King Zeal's point of view).

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there is no need for that? Marle does not has any memory
about being threw to jail, because she is another version of Marle from another timeline aka Masamuneless timeline. The Marle who died at prison is from Reptite timeline, and sent into DBT thanks to CMG interfering King Zeal, thus altering the Reptite timeline.

Marle has no memory of that, but Cakulha certainly should. He is supposed to be one that threw Marle in jail and went back to 2305 AD.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Agent 12 on June 12, 2009, 01:01:42 pm
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there is no need for that? Marle does not has any memory
about being threw to jail, because she is another version of Marle from another timeline aka Masamuneless timeline. The Marle who died at prison is from Reptite timeline, and sent into DBT thanks to CMG interfering King Zeal, thus altering the Reptite timeline.

Marle has no memory of that, but Cakulha certainly should. He is supposed to be one that threw Marle in jail and went back to 2305 AD.

And so does Crono. Plus he told her about it at the beginning of chapter 12.

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Agent 12 on June 12, 2009, 01:12:22 pm
It's a little bit Spoilery, but I'll ask

Did you have remaked Dalton ai to the the once-king one, or was still the king/plus ai?

You know, I think I only had to bump up his stats. I am pretty sure I didn't touch his AI....

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: mav on June 12, 2009, 01:18:14 pm
Great chapter--and a surprise appearance by our favorite buffoon?! Fantastic.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: ZealKnight on June 12, 2009, 01:30:45 pm
Thank you for acknowledging Dalton's military past! I was starting to feel like the only one who believed he could do that. Oh one more thing, are we not suppose to know what KZ is planning? Because it's frustrating me to know WTF he wants or could possibly gain from all this.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Chrono'99 on June 12, 2009, 01:41:22 pm
Thank you for acknowledging Dalton's military past! I was starting to feel like the only one who believed he could do that. Oh one more thing, are we not suppose to know what KZ is planning? Because it's frustrating me to know WTF he wants or could possibly gain from all this.

Magus and Schala talked about KZ's mysterious motive in the Ioka reunion. Basically we don't know what his motive is at this point. We don't even know if he is lucid (as he claims at the Atash Kedah scene), acting as an agent of Lavos's last will through the Frozen Flame (as Belthasar thinks), or if the Frozen Flame has its own will.

You'll know it soon enough though, and you can probably already deduce what he wants if you make a list of everything he accomplished so far.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Yourgingerestfan on June 12, 2009, 02:00:06 pm
I enjoyed the Dalton fight , it looked like it was hard even at those lvls , and Robo's Green Memory tech , sounds very nice , pity we never got to see it work :S
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: kid123 on June 12, 2009, 02:04:59 pm
I enjoyed the Dalton fight , it looked like it was hard even at those lvls , and Robo's Green Memory tech , sounds very nice , pity we never got to see it work :S

The Green Memory work as Life3, which cast Auto-Life on the target.
If the effected target died, he/she will come back to life.
I love Robo because of this, he has many extremely useful tech. That can be said on other party too. Thanks to Faustwolf for giving the ideas of the techs !

EDIT:
Oh yeah, Lvl ** !!
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: mav on June 12, 2009, 02:19:26 pm
Aye, FW went insane with new Robo techs, and they all came out beautifully. Frog's new techs are marvelous as well, and I remember being quite impressed with Ayla's too.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Kora on June 12, 2009, 03:07:42 pm
I really love a lot of what's going on in this chapter. I imagine that KZ would of been behind the attack instead of the other, but I'm happy it turned out this way instead.

I thought I was looking at a different game with some of those cutscenes! Guardia Castle's wall and the town and the fair...all marvellously done! And there's still several chapters to go. I'll be sad when this all ends.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Agent 12 on June 12, 2009, 03:20:16 pm
well...KZ was definitely still a huge part of the fall....how do you think Kasmir and Dalton even got there.

King Zeal had his own agenda though...

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Mikisho on June 12, 2009, 08:31:30 pm
Man, this chapter was phenomenal...  The music, the Dialogue...  Everything was perfect.  I am so looking forward to the end of this game.

Also, what happens if you don't take Frog with you?  How would The masamune be stolen if it wasn't there?
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Vehek on June 12, 2009, 08:32:44 pm
If you don't have Glenn, then Masa & Mune teleport in (from Chronopolis, I believe the plot outline said).
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Dapifer on June 12, 2009, 08:50:22 pm
First, this one is on the running for Best.Chapter.Evaaaarrr!!

Second, I too didn't quite get why Cakhula is such a good sport here, in the runied timeline, you can convince him that this is the way, and that his brethren only returned to the Planet's Dream(wich from what I can gather is false, since they would end up in the DBT, I could be wrong here...) but, if I understand things right, Cakhula slayed the human resistance in 1 AD, and after that he ended up in the future, and suddenly is now in good terms with what happened to his timeline, and even decides to help everyone.

I can accept that Belthasar convinced him about the greater good of science and everything, but the other two seemed more like that, Cakhula always struked me as more of an Azala type, but hey, that's just my opinion, and I can very much live either way, because Crimson Echoes story has delivered the goods thus far even more than I expected, and this chapter was just full of juicy win.

Question: I never understood how the Masamune gets cursed, will it be explained in any way in CE?

Anyways, keep them vids comin', this is making my day! I loved the Reptite Timeline and everything that happened, but this Chapter was just... breath taking... one thing though, I feel CE is coming to an end, I am bittersweet about this, I want to see the ending, but I just don't want this crazy train to stop. I hope we can get a topic to discuss the plot and the Dev Team shed some light about some things, and about the hidden endings, because I don't think they are going to make videos for them =(
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: HyperNerd on June 13, 2009, 12:38:05 am
Excellent. Simply Excellent.

75% done, right?
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Agent 12 on June 13, 2009, 12:43:40 am
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I can accept that Belthasar convinced him about the greater good of science and everything, but the other two seemed more like that, Cakhula always struked me as more of an Azala type, but hey, that's just my opinion, and I can very much live either way, because Crimson Echoes story has delivered the goods thus far even more than I expected, and this chapter was just full of juicy win.

I don't really mind the idea of Belthasar wooing Cakhula especially since in chapter 12 you can sort of win her over if you make the right decisions. If I could go back though i'd have Crono or Marle have a better reaction.

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Question: I never understood how the Masamune gets cursed, will it be explained in any way in CE?

That's really the end of the story for the masamune in CE. It was used in 605 AD by Kasmir and his gang and masa/mune get beaten by Kasmir at the fall of Guardia. Dalton takes it and it eventually makes it through the Porre army until we find it again in Chrono Cross.  There is an optional ending with a little more info....

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Acacia Sgt on June 13, 2009, 02:14:04 am
And though I thought CMG's reptite time line chapter was the best yet, well, this has taken it's place in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Chrono'99 on June 13, 2009, 06:17:20 am
I don't really mind the idea of Belthasar wooing Cakhula especially since in chapter 12 you can sort of win her over if you make the right decisions. If I could go back though i'd have Crono or Marle have a better reaction.

Well even in Chapter 12 in the plot draft Cakulha's stopping of the missile was supposed to be a last-minute remorse of sorts, like "Mmh, maybe I shouldn't sacrifice innocents that have nothing to do with this", rather than "Eh let's ally with these time-travelers that killed my timeline! Woo!!". If I were Belthasar I'd never feel safe with that guy hanging around in Chronopolis (also it's a guy, Yaluk is the female).
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: anonymouse on June 13, 2009, 02:14:18 pm
Indeed full of epic-ness. Though Leene's Square on the OW could have done with a touch-up...the balloons are sort of incongruous after everything that had happened ^_^
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Dapifer on June 13, 2009, 02:19:09 pm
Thanks for the responses Agent 12, so... is there somewere in the Compendium were it is discussed how the Masamune got corrupted? I always thought that was because Masa and Mune were "asleep", as it says something along those lines in the side-quest for the Mastermune in CC, but I always felt that it was something more...

And what about the Alternate Endings? will we get some light about them? I seriously don't think FaustWolf recorded them(or even if the Dev Team got them in by the time of the recordings) so could we please get a thread about them with the Dev Team explaining about it? I just feel there is more to CE's story than the videos are showing and I want to learn more.

It is just a request though, if it doesn't happen I am OK with it, but I do feel it should be an analysis about CE's plot, and I am sure I am not the only one curious about the story.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Agent 12 on June 13, 2009, 04:10:40 pm
I don't really mind the idea of Belthasar wooing Cakhula especially since in chapter 12 you can sort of win her over if you make the right decisions. If I could go back though i'd have Crono or Marle have a better reaction.

Well even in Chapter 12 in the plot draft Cakulha's stopping of the missile was supposed to be a last-minute remorse of sorts, like "Mmh, maybe I shouldn't sacrifice innocents that have nothing to do with this", rather than "Eh let's ally with these time-travelers that killed my timeline! Woo!!". If I were Belthasar I'd never feel safe with that guy hanging around in Chronopolis (also it's a guy, Yaluk is the female).

Yea....Well regardless I still feel like the "Masamune there" timeline is different enough where chapter 12 would have been significantly different. So Belthasar had to do handle the Xamoltan himself. We still showed that he could be.....um talked to and if Agent 12/Belthasar told him about the "Time Fortress/Chronopolis" I dont think he would have turned it down. I guess maybe we could have built some sort of futuristic prison (like your awesome Magus Prison) in Chronopolis and kept him in there.  

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: ZeaLitY on June 13, 2009, 04:25:06 pm
Thanks for the responses Agent 12, so... is there somewere in the Compendium were it is discussed how the Masamune got corrupted? I always thought that was because Masa and Mune were "asleep", as it says something along those lines in the side-quest for the Mastermune in CC, but I always felt that it was something more...

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Masamune_(Corruption_of).html
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 15
Post by: Dapifer on June 13, 2009, 04:31:54 pm
Thank you very much ZeaLitY!