Chrono Compendium
News and Updates => Site Updates => Topic started by: Agent 12 on June 06, 2009, 04:32:11 pm
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Congratulations everyone, I'm going out tonight so you get today's installment of the game early!
First things first: We could only find the following source. This is unconfirmed I'd like to see atleast 2 sources saying this but until then we are counting on rpgsite.net being truthful:
http://www.rpgsite.net/news/342.html
Wow.....that's all I have to say. They have shut down 3 fan projects in the last 5 years. I'm pretty sure CTDS sales weren't that horrible considering it's a 10 year old port. If they really only care about money then please let them see this: We will personally make you a new Chrono game for free. You can have all the rights to it, keep all the money and it won't cost you a dime. I really was clinging to hope that the C&D meant that they cared about the franchise, but apparently they don't :(
Second things second: People keep bringing up legal issues. Here's the deal when I talk to lawyers they tell me that it's fightable BUT it would still more than likely go to court. I'm NOT willing to do that. I don't want to be remembered as the guy who went to court over a video game. I want to be remembered for my research, my accomplishments in school and my job. This isn't my life and in the grand scheme of things this really is just a ROM hack nothing more. Maybe if it was 4 years ago, or 10 years from now I would be willing to do that but I have a new awesome job and the economy sucks. I don't want to tell my boss "hey I can't go to work for the next week cause I'm going to court against a multi-million dollar corporation".
Third things third:
Video 26 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kMlbAI5lKk&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=26&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 27 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjMTkPivlLQ&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=27&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 28 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk-fQ4MVKPY&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=28&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 29 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gNHs-55oIo&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=29&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcGKIH82Aag&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=30&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
--JP
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I simply enjoy your work, and you're always welcome to contribute to any of my projects.... Just saying...
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Agent 12, it's unlikely we'll get confirmation on that article, and sorry to cause a stir if my own posts caused you to take that part down; it's all up to rpgsite.com to get its story straight. All we can do is take it at face value, so here's the link Pyt Fumv discovered, and which is the source of the story:
http://www.rpgsite.net/news/342.html
For those who haven't seen it yet, the gist is that the Chrono series is officially dead for lack of profitability. There's still some question about the veracity of this interview with SE's senior Vice President given the timing of the news post (right after a C&D on a Chrono fan project?) but until we discover that rpgsite has pulled stunts in the past, I can see why this would be true. SE had major concerns about CT:DS' profitability due to the early leak and subsequent piracy even before the game made it to store shelves, but then there's this:
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=24237
A grand total of .88 million sold. Compare to some of the Final Fantasy rehashes:
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=3310
Final Fantasy III nets 2.29 million on the DS.
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=13437
Final Fantasy IV nets .98 million on the DS.
Now, I'm cherry picking -- there were a number of Final Fantasy titles for DS (Chocobo Tales, for example) that performed much more poorly. Also, I question whether VGChartz even took into account European sales. I mean, you've just released the game for the first time to a giant multinational market and netted only 60,000 sales? What? Furthermore, some work may actually have been put into the Final Fantasy games I mentioned (not sure about III, but certain IV since it was a full remake), whereas Chrono Trigger was pretty much a full-on rehash for quick bucks. This has two effects: first, the full remakes are more attractive for being updated, and secondly, development costs for the rehash should be far lower.
But if Square Enix's internal numbers match what VGChartz says, I can see where they're coming from. I don't agree, but I think the VGChartz numbers do lend some credence to the rpgsite story. Especially if SE is just looking at Japanese sales numbers.
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They shit on the fans by ruining five years of your hard work, and then they tell us to buy more Chrono games?
WHAT THE FUCK ELSE AM I SUPPOSED TO BUY? I bought the original SNES game, I bought the DS remake, I bought Chronicles, I bought Chrono Cross... what the fuck else? Are they going to do an official soundtrack release here? Are they going to sell plushies? (I'd buy a Schala one for 100 bucks!)
FUCK THEM. If I saw a Square employee on the street right now I'd run outside and break his jaw. If they don't want to release another Chrono game, and then they want to shit on the fans... fuck them all. How DARE that fucking son of a bitch say "buy more Chrono games" after his company treated the fans like this.
If it's true that it's only the American legal team coming after the Compendium, and that no one in Japan has anything to do with this situation, then you find that guy, and you e-mail him, and you tell him what his company is doing to the Chrono fans, and you tell him that if he ever wants us to buy any more Chrono stuff, that he can start by telling the American legal team to back the fuck off of CE, and that he can continue by releasing a full American soundtrack.
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FaustWolf, personally I don't see where they're coming from. Hashimoto gave this answer "when asked by RPGSite staff if he could forsee Square handing off other much-loved but neglected franchises to external developers as with Front Mission".
CT:DS sold .88 million units.
The Front Mission game which sold most units (Front Mission 1) sold .60 million units, while the most recent installment, Front Mission 2089, sold barely .05 million units.
http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=front+mission&console=&publisher=&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Total
Basically, the FM series sells like shit yet it's getting a revival, while the Chrono series does well and gets nothing. I'd have accepted yet another cliché answer about how the development team can't be reunited, but this...is just frigging surreal. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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They shit on the fans by ruining five years of your hard work, and then they tell us to buy more Chrono games?
WHAT THE FUCK ELSE AM I SUPPOSED TO BUY? I bought the original SNES game, I bought the DS remake, I bought Chronicles, I bought Chrono Cross... what the fuck else? Are they going to do an official soundtrack release here? Are they going to sell plushies? (I'd buy a Schala one for 100 bucks!)
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I sympathize with you, my friend. There are only so many Chrono out there (that I can play...).
Yes, please, can someone contact these guys? Show them the video, get a contract, you know... Please?
Chrono has been abondoned. It's been for years. It will until they finally see what fans in the states are doing. Someone, please, email them about Crimson Echoes, Resurrection, Remake.... It looks like it only attracted American eyes, but not the eyes in "the land where the sun rises".
Anyone? CE has made the game... Now with the actual *rpo* dudes there, they can polish, add, and cannon-ize it even more. PLEASE!! SQUARE ENIX OF JAPAN IS CLUELESS TO THIS :'O !!
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Oh, nice job on the vids btw -- I was watching the last batch and went "wtf, there's more :D !?!"
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That's what made me go off the handle. They've got something against this series. I don't know what it is, but someone high up at Square has something against the Chrono series and he's actively working against producing new Chrono content.
TVTropes had a good article on this called "Screwed By The Network". I've adapted it a bit for this, but I think it serves the purpose nicely:
Nevertheless, the need to keep the stores populated with new games means that their commissioning bods will keep putting forward all kinds of games that may or may not appeal to the company executives' sensibilities.
For this reason, the execs will sometimes find themselves in the unfortunate position of being in charge of a game franchise that they do not understand and therefore do not know what to do with. This presents them with a tricky situation: if the game is a failure they risk losing face, but if the game is a success then they'll look redundant.
Alternatively, the franchise may be a legacy commission under your predecessor, which is worse - because if it's a success they'll have one up on you, but if you abandon it straight off, you'll lose all plausible deniability when people call you petty and small.
The answer to both of these problems, of course, is to screw the franchise over completely. Make ports of old games instead of new installments, delay the games' development, refuse to announce a new installment until the fans forget about the series entirely, release it against the new Grand Theft Auto game... do everything you can to stop it from building up a fandom that's not quite big enough to warrant the budget, but just big enough to cause some trouble when you refuse to make games for it for not "selling enough copies".
Then wipe your beaded brow, pop a few pills, put on your best happy face and chant your power mantra. So long as you look good in the eyes of others then everything will be fine. And that's what this job is about, right? Right?
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Oh wow, take a look at the Front Mission VGChartz:
http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=front+mission&console=&publisher=&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Total
When you put it in that light, Chrono'99 is right. Even put together, they're way below Chrono numbers. Maybe it's time to fire off an email to SE and see if they deny what the Senior VP is supposed to have said. It's the only way to be sure.
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Heh, I just had a bit of my fantasy moments...
So, if SE does commission CE team to make a CT sequel (well, interquel), imagine the art, music, depth, and transitions there will be... More hours, more gameplay, more everything than what a fan project can hope for...
And image cover art with a mix of Toriyama's style with the CT gang (then a blurry break thing) and then Nobuteru Yuuki with the CC gang...
Full blown maturity cycle, the product of ages...
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But seriously, please contact SE of Japan?
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this pisses me of completly and i just woke up someone needs to shit on enix WTF they have made some real stupid choices but saying if we want another chrono game buy more WTH they would probably port crhono cross over to ds or psp or even worse make a crappy piece of shit of a sequel and shit it out with in 2 weeks >.> ive seen the quality of there mana games on ds i hated them and FF for ds isnt that good ether GODFUCKENDAMNIT anyone wanna burn square enix usa down?
what total fucken pole smoking uncle fucking ass spelunking cock munchers that fuck themseves in the ass
im so pissed
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Contact SE of J, give them the game, ask them what they want to do with it...
Work with you guys, or take it in their own hands? What to keep, take away, add (Schala, Human-Glenn, etc.) ?
I still think there's miscommunication here: SE of America != SE of Japan...
(Sorry if I'm ranting too much/ posting too much. I've been up since 4:30 today and really am tired, but CE vids.... And et. all. If I'm getting annoying, just say the word and I'll shut up until next time ;) )
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Oh my god @ Truce Canyon- Reptite variation!! (and the haziness of my mind right now makes it so much better...) drooollls.
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It was fun the fact that it doesn't mather when it is or what timeline it is, there's aways some enemy being bullied by others in Truce Canyon :lol:
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First things first: We could only find the following source. This is unconfirmed I'd like to see atleast 2 sources saying this but until then we are counting on rpgsite.net being truthful:
lol
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Just finished... and all I can say is just wow...
Soo many moral issues (I never played CC, so I dunno the *impact* completely)...
And I LOVE THE MUSIC :D !!
And might we viewers get an explaination: Save Ayla vs Attack (what is the result?) -- what did Chrono do exactly?
(I do hope that in the final versions, some of the dialogue for Chrono was polished up to a certain prose instead of just *shut up and die*?)
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(I never played CC, so I dunno the *impact* completely)...
what are you waiting for, plaaaaaay CC :P
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I thought "Shut up and die" was pretty appropriate given what Crono had just seen downstairs. I couldn't find any music that would go well with such a comment though, which is why I just opted for silence there.
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I thought "Shut up and die" was pretty appropriate given what Crono had just seen downstairs. I couldn't find any music that would go well with such a comment though, which is why I just opted for silence there.
Shut up and die -- sounds a bit forced (for Chrono at least -- in CE, he seemed much too lax and carefree)
Though, if something popped into a rage thing, I guess. But I would... well, hopefully something like that doesn't happen to me now [>.>] -- yeah, best leave the story scenario to you guys ;) .
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its a tough call really. Chrono didnt talk, so really its up to someones imagination what he would say when he got heated up. Sounds reasonable :P
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holy crap... That chapter was beautiful.... I think the first face off before the guards are called in dinopolis could have been more epic however. It seemed a little rushed. Other than that though, this chapter seemed fun AND amazing. *Stands up and claps*
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I was moved by the Crono / Marley scene. I cried a little. A very emotional game so far. I think his response was on par. He is 5 years older, married, and when he though he was done traipsing through time, here comes King Zeal and fucks everything up.
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It's funny that they complain that the Chrono Series doesn't sell. Do they realize that they remade the game and nothing more? If they want it to sell they need to get a different version of the Chrono Series out. Like I don't know, A SEQUEL!!! Even a graphically enhanced, character added, voice acting, side quest enforced remake of Chrono Cross!! God I swear SE can be the dumbest people out there. We should all go out and buy 2-3 more copies to shut them up! Oh yeah, another thing, NOBODY OVER 20 OWNS A DS!
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Magus claiming that they were space aliens was hilarious.
And having him say, in that totally deadpan way, "I lied," was just perfect. (http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/369/iconalfador.gif)
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Magus' tall tale about "Outer Space" was so perfect because he delivered it so seriously. Best line in the game IMHO, and also a possible reference to Radical Dreamers, where Magil was from Mars or something in one scenario.
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it felt like something magus would say, especially guile.
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Lovely vids .
The choice concerning Ayla ...would you still have got those choices even if you had chosen a different choice when the party originally met King Zeal in the crater ?
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I think this is the best chapter so far.
But since destroying the Dragon Tooth will restore the time line, technically, Marle, Lucca, and Robo should loose all the experience they got. Since the inventory is shared, I guess there is no way to avoid that paradox with the items.
And, before that, once did their many past versions of them appeared in this time line thanks to TTI, it's a miracle their time before TB didn't affected anything further, though wierd considering how the Reptites have not record of humans after 1 AD, unless since this is a new time line not even TTI was able to make them appear, though it wouldn't explain the Cyborg appearing then.
I'm thinking too much into it, better just watch it, and think about it later.
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Zeality did a fantastic work on the dialogue in general, and on King Zeal and Magus in particular. I think we went with a really nice direction with Magus by avoiding the cardboard, Vegeta-esque Magus figure of CT. He's closer to Magil here (or a Magil that doesn't need to hide his identity anyway). Emo Magus is not the way to go for Chrono fangames and fanfiction IMHO.
Yourgingerestfan, you'd have the same choice but this time it's for real.
Acacia Sgt, since you're an astute viewer, I hope you'll catch the few plotholes that are in the game in some later chapters :) Everything before the Reptite chapters was thought out pretty thoroughly, but after that there are a few plotholes that I didn't fix due to college and other real life factors, essentially.
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But since destroying the Dragon Tooth will restore the time line, technically, Marle, Lucca, and Robo should loose all the experience they got.
C99 originally wanted to avoid that. But reverting their levels was considered too annoying or something like that.
And, before that, once did their many past versions of them appeared in this time line thanks to TTI, it's a miracle their time before TB didn't affected anything further,
I think we ignored that detail. Too much of a headache to consider all the time travels probably.
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But since destroying the Dragon Tooth will restore the time line, technically, Marle, Lucca, and Robo should loose all the experience they got.
C99 originally wanted to avoid that. But reverting their levels was considered too annoying or something like that.
Yeah, there was plan to revert their levels AND items (and Gold and Techs...everything), but since JP put the optional superboss in this part of the game...it would have been annoying for the player. From a coding standpoint we would have recorded all the necessary variables before the Reptite chapters and would paste back the old values over the new ones after the timeline restoration.
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I think it's for the best to have been done that way.
Well, did the superboss was meant to be defeatable the first time through, or only through a New Game +/a lot of grinding?
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Ah, I'm not sure. I'll let JP comment on that one.
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Chrono Cross is not on the PSN, but FF7 is. Chrono Cross is not on the Wii Virtual Console, but they made us pay $40 for the DS cart, which apparently .88 mil did (88 miles per hour! woot!). I can't even play Chrono Cross on my PS3 because the emulation is "messed up" once i get to Fargo's boat. Man, fuck these people.
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Wow can i just say these movies are incrdedible! excellent work CE team they really connect the CT and CC and while i wish we could have the game i'm content at the moment to hear the story through the videos :)
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This whole fiasco has inspired me to do an iCarly fanfic. Freddy hacks into one of his old favorite SNES RPGs, but just before he releases the finished result on the internet, the company sends him a C+D order. He's all ready to comply when Sam leaks the rom hack onto the internet, and Carly, Sam, and Freddy get dragged into court (with a typical wacky iCarly style result).
I know nobody here cares about iCarly, but I figured it'd be a fun thing to write.
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the game is locking up for me after the battle with [FW puts the "stealth" in stealthrabbi] (had to run from the battle due to being impossible). Lock up after the cut scene. Tried old, new versions of ZSNES and also SNES 9.x any help?
Post invaded by FW. Sorry bout that, but that would be quite the spoiler.
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They're not going to give out gameplay tips on the alpha.
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They're not going to give out gameplay tips on the alpha.
Sorry, I thought we were free to spoil, but then I forgot about the videos, my bad. Nevertheless, I'm not asking for a "tip" so much as a way to avoid the game from locking up, bra. :picardno
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Yeah, if you want to avoid showstopper bugs your only option is to obtain one of the newer patches...but that ain't gonna happen (especially since they no longer exist)! So your only REAL option is to just bask in the glory of CEMemorial and throw away that clunky, junker Alpha you're playing.
As for the Chrono Trigger selling poorly thing, I'll just do what I love best and quote myself (the reply I put up for that article thingy)...
Yeah, how come the 2nd port of a 16-bit game on the DS didn't sell better? There was even an early ROM leak! They tacked on a hurried monster fighting mini-game with nigh no relevence! And a couple ugly new dungeons! How could it NOT sell tremendously? Oh what's that? They keep screwing over the Chrono community with half-hearted ports of ONLY the original game? Nice. 3D remake is where they should have gone. NEW GAME is where they should have gone...Hell, an enhanced port of Chrono Cross would be nice even. Seems odd for the most respected RPG outside of Japan has been getting the cold shoulder from everyone but the fans all these years...PEOPLE ASK BECAUSE WE CARE MOTHER ****ER~!!
The fact is that it was the 2nd port of this game. Really, the best part was the slightly more faithful translation (still not as up to snuff as either fan translation though if you ask me)...and I guess the nods at the events of the Fall of Guardia and Chrono Cross (though even those were kind of half-hearted and felt extremely rushed)...I think it's been said that pretty much every new monster that was added was just a pallet swap with a pre-existing monster (besides the DD sorta)...You don't even want to get me started on that horrible patch-job they did when they FIRST ported the game...It's no wonder people would be skeptical to buy yet another port when the first time around we got something so full of flaws...CTDS was good, but they still didn't give the fans what we were really craving. To end the series based on that is ridiculous.
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The problem isn't so much that you were spoiling, it's that the alpha sucks, to speak crudely. We never wanted it to leak, because of legal reasons (obviously), but also because it's riddled with bugs and typos and unpolished maps/events/sprites/battle system. Playing this alpha gives a false view of what the game was meant to be. It doesn't even have the right ending (we changed it a few times during development).
While [the alpha] version has a lot of the dialogue and events skeletoned out and rough versions of all the maps, it predates the over 2,000 bug fixes and improvements made during the beta testing cycle. It's also missing a number of more significant features, such as several of the new endings, the dialogue for a lot of the sidequests, and some of the mini-games. There are also a number of known showstopper bugs that freeze the game or make it unplayable past certain points in the early alpha that were carefully caught and fixed in the beta-testing cycle. As you can imagine, we're quite embarrassed that such an early version of the game has been leaked, since it lacks all of the polish and refinement from the months of hard work and hundreds of playthroughs done by the beta testers and developers.
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Gah.... I go to gamefaqs for a slight change of pace from this board. I decide to check out the Chrono trigger board.... Man are they un-informed -.- I wanted to shoot them... Just shoot them down, and do away with them. But instead I elt out heavy sigh, and shared my vast knowledge with them about what we here at the compendium have learned... I still may shoot them though >_>
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Gah.... I go to gamefaqs for a slight change of pace from this board. I decide to check out the Chrono trigger board.... Man are they un-informed -.- I wanted to shoot them... Just shoot them down, and do away with them.
Welcome to my world.
But instead I elt out heavy sigh, and shared my vast knowledge with them about what we here at the compendium have learned...
That's just crazy talk! They'll never listen. :lol:
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It seems like SE is becoming a sprawling bureaucracy. Has anyone seen how huge the end-credits are for FFIV After Years? Maybe they need huge sales in order to make up what it costs them to make even fairly basic games these days. I wouldn't be surprised if it cost almost as much to make CT:DS as it did to make the original CT, just because of how much inefficiency there seems to be at SE nowadays.
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I just said I shared my knowledge, I never said they took it xD. when I saw your name though V I thought you were gonna tell me how I was off topic xD. But yeah, I used to love gamefaqs... After coming here though, it just seems..... Inferior....
Anywho, on topic... uhhh.... SE sucks... And... uhhh.... Oh what the devil are posters saying now a days... Uhhhh... OH!! Release the Beta... Yeah... *cough*... mmmkay I think we're back on track now. CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION!!!
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Oh by the way, Sorin (the Porre cyborg) had his own design as said in the video annotations. He was supposed to look like this:
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so, is Sorin supposed to be a proto type for Grobyc? Seriously, I was stoked to think that Grobyc was going to be in this game >_> I mean, he had to have at the VERY leasat be BASED off of Grobyc.
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Well they're both cyborgs from the Porre army. Other than that...you'll see in later chapters.
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grrrr.... You guys and your secretive nature.... Also, I like your new Avatar ;)
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Yeah, I thought about Grobyc too, which is why Sorin's name confused me...I'll have to really watch the CEMemorial vids to see if there really is a connection between who else it seems like Sorin could have a connection to because of that...
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stealthrabbi - end of time
edit: I should add a little more seeing as I'm new here.
I think this is without a doubt, the greatest fan mod ever created. The developers deserve to become legends after all this work.
It's inspiring enough to want to do a japanese translation of it, or even a sequel to it, but I suppose it's best to wait and see how things turn out.
I hope at least we can focus on celebrating all the epic moments as we go through the game in the videos, in the meantime.
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They already did make a sequel to it. It's called CHrono Cross xD
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Haven't said anything yet so getting off my chest.
Want better sales? Give it more attention. Better yet, at this rate, sell the franchise to another company that does things good and is actually willing to give even old stuff a chance. My only guess is they were trying to pull a Megaman 9 here. Problem with that is Megaman 9 actually bothered to make an entirely new game while as this... didn't have any differences. They added the story elements! Totaled up to about 10 extra minutes of gameplay...hooray? :fuk
I don't know about the rest of you, but if they want the sales so bad I'm doing what I was considering doing when it first came out(and honestly had the money to do)to go in and buy a bunch of copies(I was prepared to buy every copy they had if I could). Sell em cheap to my friends then maybe that'll not only get them to have their precious sales but also increase the number of fans, increase the number of people telling them "YOU'RE MAKING IT WRONG" and up the chances of good Chrono games.
And I consider Cross a continuation moreso than a sequel.
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Man these videos are awesome. I am still at the "solo" part of the videos, trying to watch them in small splurts since they came up, don't want it to end too quickly. The game looks hard too, imagine starting at low levels? I can only wonder what will come next. The story has pleasantly surprised me, it is even better than I thought it would be. And plus, still only 2% away from being even better :D. Congratulations and thank you for those who worked on this project.
I really wish SE would have responded. I mean, they threaten to sue you for a large sum of money, then they hardly respond back. I'm starting to wonder what would happen if the game were to be released, would SE even notice?
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I wonder If Robo had anything to do with this guy being made? Do you guys touch on that at all? If so I can see it being Grobyc's predecessor, but Grobyc was constructed in 994 A.D. Also I hope you guys mention the StrongArm, seeing how Grobyc was going to be used for that... Overall I see this as your way of explaining Porre's takeover. Cyborgs! But, to me it seemed likely to be Grobyc after all it's been 11 years and he was meant for scientific purposes and it seemed in the beginning that Sorin was not really there for murder, he was going to use poison I mean, he kinda just thought it'd be easier. Sounds like him to me. Brothers perhaps, or maybe his best friend? Can I ask his tragic back story or have I once again asked too much?
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Ok. Hahahaha. JK!
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HOLY CRAP!!! I am an idiot -.-
I just realised Grobyc is Cyborg spelt backwards XD feel free to laugh at me xD
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HOLY CRAP!!! I am an idiot -.-
I just realised Grobyc is Cyborg spelt backwards XD feel free to laugh at me xD
You are not the only one. :lol:
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Yeah, it also took me some time to realize that, so no laughs from me.
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HOLY CRAP!!! I am an idiot -.-
I just realised Grobyc is Cyborg spelt backwards XD feel free to laugh at me xD
You are not the only one. :lol:
actually, I give you credit for enlightening me to this.
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maybe we'll just snicker a little then ;)
seriously though, i stopped playing chrono cross about halfway through recently (admittedly, it is my 2nd if not 3rd time through, but still), and after seeing how CE introduces elements of the CC story (bad pun, i know), it actually makes me want to finish the game again. this all to say, CE actually strengthens the CC plot by making it less of a wild tangent off of the original CT storyline, and instead more of a legitimate "aftermath".
so what i meant to say i guess, is by the relative strength of all three storylines supporting each other (four if you count radical dreamers), then there is room for another sequel for sure, it's just that it would be easiest to do one directly following the events of CE, perhaps in a way that further bridges the gap between CT and CC.
all this to say that CE is not just good, it's inspiring ;D
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Yay, I don't feel so stupid anymore xD. god, I just stray all these topics off the topic tracks xD. One of these days V is gonna castrate me.
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Yeah, I thought the Grobyc->Cyborg thing was fairly common knowledge now and was what I was referencing in my last post about Sorin's name (which is Noris backwards, which brought to mind Norris from CC, though perhaps it was a coincidence...gonna have to watch more to find out, I guess)...
And, Mikisho, idk where you get that...Most topics, even Analysis (if not especially), usually wind down different roads over time...As long as it's a natural progression, you shouldn't have to worry about anyone modding your posts (oh, and they should be GOOD, non-SDD-like posts as well ;)).
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I just know you don't like people oing off topic is all ;). Also, Siron is Noris spelt backwards, not Sorin ;)
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^Richard Honeywood's cheap way of naming ~~ *Laugh at Miki* :lol:
SE? What is SE? A miserable little pile of ****! But enough talk, have at you a nice bunch of footage!
March into the footage ~~~
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Also, Siron is Noris spelt backwards, not Sorin ;)
Ha, you're right, a little dyslexic moment for me I guess. >_<
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Also kid, did you get that sub message under your avatar from me? or have other people noticed this too? >_> <_<
Posts that are actually PMs in disguise ARE posts I would castrate for though. Keep it in your pants unless you want it cut off. ;)
~V_Translanka
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I quoted it from Faustwolf's post myself, a nice little quote that is too crucial to be missed, it shown how powerful Faustwolf is, no Byakugan or whatsoever :lol:
Faustwolf eye can see all 8)
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Just out of curiosity when exactly are the new vids posted on youtube like timezone and everything
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oooooh V finally got me xD. Ok back on topic... I really do love the video's this time around. The prison cell scene was amazingly dramatic, and did a fantastic of showing Crono's love for Marle.
One thing I had a problem with though. You keep talking about how Time travelers are immune to time changes. I don't think that's true. I think it's that people in the End of time are unaffected. If time travelers were un affected by time Changes, Marle never would have disappeared in 600 AD. However, whenever anyone is in the end of time, OR in the past when it changes are the only ones who remember anything. Plus, the future was never altered in a way that would affect the parties lives anyway, besides Marle disappearing of course, so you don't really have enough proof for this ideology...
But whatever... Either way, the game and story is amazing so far.
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Gorf, the videos that would normally be released a few hours from now have already been released. So I'd expect the next release to be in 26 hours or so.
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so they're released around midnight?
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One thing I had a problem with though. You keep talking about how Time travelers are immune to time changes. I don't think that's true. I think it's that people in the End of time are unaffected. If time travelers were un affected by time Changes, Marle never would have disappeared in 600 AD. However, whenever anyone is in the end of time, OR in the past when it changes are the only ones who remember anything. Plus, the future was never altered in a way that would affect the parties lives anyway, besides Marle disappearing of course, so you don't really have enough proof for this ideology...
The items from the sealed chests. Though if you REALLY want to talk about TTI, I'd suggest hitting up the Encyclopedia or the Analysis forums...
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I fail to see the point... Not saying it's a stupid one or anything... I just don't know the relevance of that... Please enlighten me. (God damn that sounds sarcastic, but I swear it isn't...)
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They are also evidence of TTI.
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I will enlighten thing up, not to mention i got this from Gamefaqs board, who said Gamefaqs board is unreliable :lol:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/chronocross/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-49508567&pid=196917&page=6 (http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/chronocross/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-49508567&pid=196917&page=6)
Check some of Alltra post,he is the most intelligent guy to believe, and IGNORE that troll named felixrush plz.
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PLZ check page 6 and 7, they make a good point about TTI and its evidence. I don't want to spam thread with all quote into here.
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Oh don't worry, I've been to Gfaqs before. I know who Felix is >_>
HOWEVER, I must say, he makes for a hilarious read xD
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prettty sure we all do
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Never heard of him. I did want to chip in here and say I'm LOVING this video! Would it be possible to see Sorin's custom sprite? Seeing as it's new and not copyright SE and it's not in the game, would that be possible? Or is it gone?
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^^ It's posted earlier in this thread.
Thanks for serving up another round of awesome, guys. It just keeps getting better and better...
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To Mikisho: I did knew about Grobyc = Cyborg, but I didn't get that until my 4th or 5th playthrough CC(Yeah, I know, completely missed that =P)
I've said before and I sure as hell will say it again, this videos are making me crazy! but in a good way n_n
I need more CE goodness! :lee:
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EDIT, ok Mikisho... i'll change some things.
I didn't like what that senior vice president said and how he said it. The whole entire thing just pisses me off, I don't think they deserve to tell us to "buy more."
:x :x :x
There, some stuff was really uncalled for. sorry. thanks for calling me out. 8)
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calm down a tad. Swearing is never needed >_>. Just take a breath and think about this. It's a company taking a down a videogame. I mean, yeah everyone was looking forward to it, and you can be mad (I am sure EVERYONE here is a tad mad about the whole situation). But swearing and calling a man names when he is simply doing his job is not needed. Again, it's just a game. But yeah, I'm pissed about CE too... Just tone it down a tad.
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Oh by the way, Sorin (the Porre cyborg) had his own design as said in the video annotations. He was supposed to look like this:
Awesome.
It feel like this game was completely different than Chrono Trigger. You guys changed enough so that it is it's own game. Or was. You get what I'm saying though. It's a good thing. The overall mechanics of the characters' experience is different than CT.
There is no End of Time. No guidance, or regroup point, or guaranteed ending. It was Chronopolis but that gets taken away.
There (seemingly) is no Entity keeping time in order for them to achieve a common goal: kill Lavos.
Instead, it's all about the characters blindly taking it all into their own hands and the chaos that ensues when there's nobody to help fix it for them. And that is a chance for a lot more action and storytelling while taking up less time. That's exactly what fan fiction/games need is fast paced story with OMG parts all over the place. For what it is, it's very close to perfect. And I've only seem what's been shown so far.
Honestly I can't wait till the part where Magus commands to learn Zealian magic (from the latest trailer). I have been waiting to see that since 4th grade when I had finished the game a few times and started to actually think, what if he stayed in Zeal and learned magic there instead of learning it all with Ozzie, Slash and Flea? Would he still end up evil? Would he be as strong or perhaps even moreso?
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Stupid gamefaqs... Making me rant.... Well technically it's not gamefaqs, it's the people there... The one in particular also comes to this board >_>.... I tend to freak out and become a hippocrit when I'm angry <_<....
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That person would be me. Oh, and by the way, it was you who resorted to name-calling, not me. I don't know why you're so mad at the mere suggestion that JP and Zeality wouldn't be dragged out and shot by Square execs if they decided to leak the beta someday. I've steadfastly maintained that doing so would be their call to make and that if anyone else did such a thing it would be wrong. Yes, I honestly believe they are over-exaggerating the risks. How about you go after the people on GameFAQs who continue to believe the idiocy that the C+D letter was faked instead of coming after me? I've never once insulted any of the creators. How about going after the guy who's advocating that they finish CE and openly release it?
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I can see it being Grobyc's predecessor, but Grobyc was constructed in 994 A.D. Also I hope you guys mention the StrongArm, seeing how Grobyc was going to be used for that... Overall I see this as your way of explaining Porre's takeover. Cyborgs! But, to me it seemed likely to be Grobyc after all it's been 11 years and he was meant for scientific purposes and it seemed in the beginning that Sorin was not really there for murder, he was going to use poison I mean, he kinda just thought it'd be easier. Sounds like him to me. Brothers perhaps, or maybe his best friend?
Grobyc wasn't constructed in 994 A.D.; he was born in 994 A.D. Remember, he's a cyborg (a robotically-enhanced human).
It was Chronopolis but that gets taken away.
Mmh, they've just restored the timeline...
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Wow this news absolutely sucks considering front mission hasnt sold nearly as well as CT
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Chronopolis serves as what End of Time did; it's where your inactive party members are, and Belthasar gives you tips on what you need to do next.
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sorry i couldn't give you more info, but i didn't want to spoil anything.
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OK sorry everyone had a late night/early morning I just read through a ton of posts I'll try to hit them all:
Someone asked about the omega weapon like boss. He was most definitely a new game+ thing. You didn't really get anything from beating him it was more of a "show off thing. I later on might have done like a "proof of omega"esque item.
The entity is in the game.....i'm pretty sure that's the running theory on why the entity-gates reopened (C99 can confirm), the entity is also our lame excuse of why you can transfer weapons between reptiteLand chapters :)
I'm slightly worriied people may be expecting something bigger than what Sorin is haha...there's a connection but you may want to tone down the expectations :)
--JP
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That person would be me. Oh, and by the way, it was you who resorted to name-calling, not me. I don't know why you're so mad at the mere suggestion that JP and Zeality wouldn't be dragged out and shot by Square execs if they decided to leak the beta someday. I've steadfastly maintained that doing so would be their call to make and that if anyone else did such a thing it would be wrong. Yes, I honestly believe they are over-exaggerating the risks. How about you go after the people on GameFAQs who continue to believe the idiocy that the C+D letter was faked instead of coming after me? I've never once insulted any of the creators. How about going after the guy who's advocating that they finish CE and openly release it?
I know, that's why I called myself a hippocrite >_>. It was late and I was in a bad mood. I had no riht to explode on you and I apologise... But again, I have gotten myself off topic xD. To get back on Topic, GROBYC IS THE COOLEST CHARACTER EVER!!! I WILL NEVER LOWER MY EXPECTATIONS FOR HIM xD Mmkay, carry on with your conversation.
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"SE? What is SE? A miserable little pile of ****! But enough talk, have at you a nice bunch of footage!"
Perhaps I missed the post saying so, but this line is directly from my fave side-scroller of all time: Castlevania:Symphony of the Night"
Richter Belmont: "Man ill-needs a saviour such as you!!"
Dracula: "What is a man?! But a Miserable little pile of secrets!!! But enough Talk!! Have at you!"
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To repeat myself as I find it relevant:
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"If people want a sequel, they should buy more!"
Well we WOULD buy more if you gave us a SEQUEL!! Honestly!
What? You want us to buy the game multiple times?
Honestly what kind of a message is that to give their fans?
It's a bit of an unfair comparison and it's not nearly the same magnitude of issue, but I'm reminded of the alleged and mistranslated words of Marie Antoinette, "Let them eat Cake"
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But yeah that was my reaction to that bit of info, I think it's high time Square Enix started LISTENING to what their fans are saying as opposed to just the chink and rustle of the money coming into their pockets.
I understand why they would be reluctant to invest in what they might consider a waste of money, I don't really agree with the whole money focused approach to making games but then again such seems to be necessary in this world, however they are wrong. Leastwise that's what I think, and I'm fairly sure that every single poster (and other compendium viewers and beyond) on these forums would purchase a Chrono sequel.
Heck, maybe THAT's the petition people should make in these kinds of things: a collection of signatures and add up the amount of money each signer would be willing to pay for a new Chrono Series game. Then submit that to both SE U.S. and SE Japan.
Hmm... an interesting concept to say the least. It would either be some real evidence that may finally be enough to convince SE, or it would show us how unrealistic our dreams of another (official) Chrono game are financially.
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In Response to Burzy: HYDRO... STORM!!!
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I think those are magnificent numbers for a second port with very light add-ons and low development costs with poor marketing. Especially when you starve the fans for so long and make them forget about the series. They need to put a bit more effort and quit blaming the fans for their own laziness. Maybe they just want to focus on Final Fantasy because that's the game that saved their company, and if FF had competition, it would be the Chrono series. Maybe they don't want competition against their beloved golden sheep?
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Well, if the chart here (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/05/21/790K-people-bought-chrono-trigger-ds-and-other-square-sales/) can be believed, CTDS did amazingly well for a game that really had very little done for it (and it's a very old game now, 13 years and a half?) It is fourth on the list! What more could SE really ask for?
Also, I've looked through all of the 31 videos for CE...simply amazing work there. Considering Square did the same with their bonus dungeons that you did (using existing tilesets), you did such a better job that it really should shame the company. Truly phenomenal work that I would of loved to play through myself!
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I think it's pretty simple - in terms of story (gameplay being hard to judge from these videos) this is as good as other modern RPG stories so far. Knowing the types of minds and amount of money flowing around these video game companies and the comparative quality of game, I am dumbfounded. You guys have done something amazing here.
The main thing that grabs me are the key moments - you all had great dialogue and actions when it mattered most. The "extinction" scene and the "900+ year prisoner remains" scene (trying to avoid spoilers) are great examples here. Assuming you had finished, appropriate music would have been the trifecta (though FaustWolf's choice in music was quite good.)
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This is already good, and keeps getting better. 8)
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Well, if the chart here (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/05/21/790K-people-bought-chrono-trigger-ds-and-other-square-sales/) can be believed, CTDS did amazingly well for a game that really had very little done for it (and it's a very old game now, 13 years and a half?) It is fourth on the list! What more could SE really ask for?
Also, I've looked through all of the 31 videos for CE...simply amazing work there. Considering Square did the same with their bonus dungeons that you did (using existing tilesets), you did such a better job that it really should shame the company. Truly phenomenal work that I would of loved to play through myself!
Thanks. Concerning the article you linked, it should be noted that these are the sales for the fiscal year 2009, not the total sales of each games listed. For instance Crisis Core sold 0.84 million copies in FY2009 but sold 1.92 million copies since its release in 2007.
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Mmm, it's still the fourth most sold game of the fiscal year...and it was only out for half of that year. That would be impressive for sales, wouldn't it?
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I guess they want it to be first. More people seem to want a new Chrono game, not a remake.
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They restored the timeline, and got Chronopolis back, but they still got the idea that they could really fuck up everything forever. That never really came up in CT or CC. It was more like a sugar coated version of what Crimson Echoes delivers so far. If this game had been released, it would have been censored a bit or else have a mature or adult rating or whatever the not for little kids thing is. The equivalent of pg13 in movies. It's not obscene, but there are some dark moments. And those are the most juicy. More juice!
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Yes Indeed. The scene with Crono finding Marle's remains is an example. He loved her, and alot of people would have that much rage build up. Censorship can be a bitch sometimes, just let the game show what it REALLY is, not what won't offend anyone.
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And let's blame The World Ends With You for it's bad profit due to the wonderfuckingful advertisements by SE and the superb localization then let's claim innovation and making good game is bad for the company!
CTDS was an insult to the chrono series rather than a nostalgic attempt at porting something(Let's remake FF and DQ, but fuck CT!), the guys here kick their faces with adding additional maps and a good story.
Just my ranting.
Good videos btw.
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And let's blame The World Ends With You for it's bad profit due to the wonderfuckingful advertisements by SE and the superb localization then let's claim innovation and making good games is bad for the company!
CTDS was an insult to the chrono series rather than a nostalgic attempt at porting something(Let's remake FF and DQ, but fuck CT!), the guys here kick their faces with adding additional maps and a good story.
Just my ranting.
Good videos btw.
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I wonder if 2D overhead games is suitable enough to be rated mature and adult, Bekkler. I tend to think about an option which can limit the games content to suited specific age, like Dead or Alive 2 from Dreamcast. When set to lower of 17, there is less adult content and vice versa. (note that the game is free from nudity)
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It could if it had enough violence and language, or sex. I haven't seen an M 2D game yet, but I think T would be fine.
btw: KitsuneSefam, what is with the double post?
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They restored the timeline, and got Chronopolis back, but they still got the idea that they could really fuck up everything forever. That never really came up in CT or CC. It was more like a sugar coated version of what Crimson Echoes delivers so far. If this game had been released, it would have been censored a bit or else have a mature or adult rating or whatever the not for little kids thing is. The equivalent of pg13 in movies. It's not obscene, but there are some dark moments. And those are the most juicy. More juice!
And you haven't even seen the original plot outline >_> It was incredible, but even more violent than the final version. We changed it actually not (so much) because of the violence but other factors (it was fantastic in its own right, but...).
Something I forgot to say in the videos is that the "Breaking Point" and Reptite timeline were the big "shocking occurrence" of the game. CT and CC each had an unexpected, game-altering event. In CT it was Crono's death, and in CC it was Serge's body swap. Since CE focuses on an ensemble cast rather than one main character, the shocking occurrence affects everyone--that's the Reptite timeline.
If you're curious, SquareHaven had a very interesting article about Masato Kato's taste for shocking occurrences (he actually puts one in all his games, not just the Chrono series):
http://squarehaven.com/news/2006/06/11/Masato-Kato-The-M-Night-Shyamalan-of-gaming
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Yeah I liked how it affected everyone in a way.
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It could if it had enough violence and language, or sex. I haven't seen an M 2D game yet, but I think T would be fine.
btw: KitsuneSefam, what is with the double post?
I dunno what happened there, I clicked Post then it said 2 people posted before then I had to click post again and it double posted with a quote.
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Yea the shocking occurrence was really important. I remember we had a pretty large thread in the forum about what would our shocking occurrence would be. I think I eventually had the idea of the new world but it (like pretty much all of Crimson Echoes) was slowly morphed to the final form by ideas coming from multiple people.
--JP
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I didn't know there were two versions of Square. (Yes I got late in the Squaresoft games) So which version forced this site to stop production?
USA or Japan? Who's the big fart here?
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It's the US legal team, I think. I don't even know if the Japanese part of Square knows about CE at all.
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When I talked to the lawyer he told me something along the lines of "they were working with Japan" on it. Honestly......maybe it was a lie he said it in the context of why it was taking so long to get things done.
--JP
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It was a lie.
American Square Lawyer: Hey... hey! *runs into the Tokyo office* These pimply-faced kids in America are doing an unauthorized ROM hack of Chrono Trigger!
Receptionist: Mr. Sakimoto is extremely busy.
American Square Lawyer: Aren't you going to DO something about it?
Receptionist: *sighs* Mr. Sakimoto, this man from American legal wants to see you.
Sakimoto: *playing putt-putt in his office* What about?
American Square Lawyer: Mr. Sakimoto, the e-mail we got from a... Dark Serge or something or other says they're going to sell it for profit!
Sakimoto: Speaking of profit, check out these early builds of Final Fantasy XIV! We're going to charge 30 US dollars a month for it, we'll get five million subscribers in Japan alone!
American Square Lawyer: Sir, this is VERY serious.
Sakimoto: Seriously awesome! Come on, play with me. You can be a sexy Viera or a cute Moogle or-
American Square Lawyer: *sighs* I'll just send out a C+D letter... *sulks off*
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So anyhow, I signed up on the Compendium a few months ago to play in the RP forums here. I love the Chrono games and love to roleplay so the two seemed a good idea. The rp died down a bit and I had to take a good month off from the internetz. I had read about CE and figured I'd check it out once it was all said and done. Imagine my surprise to return after a month away and find that SE pulled the old C&D routine to squash CE.
So after pouring through the multitude of posts to play catch-up on the situation, I'm to understand that you've at least consulted with some lawyer types as to what might have happened had you not followed the C&D? That's about the only thing that would bother me is if you didn't at least do that.
As for the vids of the gameplay, I've watched all that have been posted so far and I've got to say that I cannot wait to see the rest. Even at only 98% complete, what you all did, with the resources you had, the gameplay looked phenominal and the story is some of the best writing I've seen in some time. If you guys decided to make your own game that wasn't a fanfic subject to possible C&D, it would be one I'd definitely look forward to playing. Five years is a lot of time to spend just to see it all end the way it did. However, that is five years of experience you all now have that would be great to see applied to something even more fantastic.
I don't think SE has the brains to comprehend how profitable a new Chrono game would be for them. But I guess when you have players willing to play til near death (http://kotaku.com/5036371/final-fantasy-xi-boss-takes-at-least-18-hours-to-beat) for a franchise that, quite frankly, has lost most of its interest, you gotta go in that direction. *shrug*
Anyhow, that's enough rambling from me. Looking forward to more CE vids!
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It was a lie.
American Square Lawyer: Hey... hey! *runs into the Tokyo office* These pimply-faced kids in America are doing an unauthorized ROM hack of Chrono Trigger!
Receptionist: Mr. Sakimoto is extremely busy.
American Square Lawyer: Aren't you going to DO something about it?
Receptionist: *sighs* Mr. Sakimoto, this man from American legal wants to see you.
Sakimoto: *playing putt-putt in his office* What about?
American Square Lawyer: Mr. Sakimoto, the e-mail we got from a... Dark Serge or something or other says they're going to sell it for profit!
Sakimoto: Speaking of profit, check out these early builds of Final Fantasy XIV! We're going to charge 30 US dollars a month for it, we'll get five million subscribers in Japan alone!
American Square Lawyer: Sir, this is VERY serious.
Sakimoto: Seriously awesome! Come on, play with me. You can be a sexy Viera or a cute Moogle or-
American Square Lawyer: *sighs* I'll just send out a C+D letter... *sulks off*
Lol, that is funny.But it is more appropriate to put that on Chrono Comix or something. We have seen so much uninteresting post to be discussed with. We currently doesn't have any proof to refute or confute the statement from lawyer himself. We should check another source. An official statement from SE Japan perhaps ? Any news on regard of this?
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really, I am surprised that they expected to sell millions of games. I mean its only on the DS. If they had released it on a major console, (wii, 360, ps3) i could see why they would expect that, but 880,000 on the DS proves, to me anyway, that there will be tons of cake to roll in if they ever made a sequel to CT and put it on a or all of the major consoles.
anyway, on an other note, keep those vids coming FW, you only have what, 50 more to go (as of #30)? lol
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Sales are pretty damn close to the sales of the original game in the US if I'm not mistaken. Japan was the one who bought over 2 million copies of the original, not us. So I can't really see why he would expect higher from us lol.
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I though CT and CC sold more in their original releases in America than in Japan.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_video_games
Says Japan had 2 million out of 2.7 million. Then again you can never trust wiki 100%. lol
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That includes all remakes. Japan got CT four times now.
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Gotcha. lol
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That includes all remakes. Japan got CT four times now.
What's the 4th one...? SFC, PSX, NDS &...?
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Has to be a typo. 4?
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It has to be the original demo. If not, there is no fourth.
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I wouldn't count the Pre-Release as a game. It's not finished. There are so many bugs and changes compared to the final.
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cc?
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:lol: so much talk over a miss communication I was looking at FFIV stuff and type four instead of three :lol:
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You had us going for a while. I knew it was a typo.
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I want to be remembered for my research, my accomplishments in school and my job. This isn't my life and in the grand scheme of things this really is just a ROM hack nothing more.
no offense, but theres a good possibility that youll be remembered more for CE (if you release it) then your school or work.
personally, im looking forward to a leak.
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? You're looking forward to the possibility of ruining their lives? Nice to know you're a douchebag ahead of time (that's probably how I'm going to remember you...no, I can't lie, I won't remember you at all...)! No offense.
Personally, I'm looking forward to people shutting the fuck up about what they want leak-wise.
Everybody needs a dream, I guess...:lol:
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Personally I'm looking forward to taking a leak. Unrelated.
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Personally I'm looking forward to taking a leak. Unrelated.
Well agreed.
I want to be remembered for my research, my accomplishments in school and my job. This isn't my life and in the grand scheme of things this really is just a ROM hack nothing more.
no offense, but theres a good possibility that youll be remembered more for CE (if you release it) then your school or work.
personally, im looking forward to a leak.
I'm not at all. I really don't want to see his life get ruined. A lawsuit from a company like that, along with the $150,000 is a huge hit to someone's career and life in general. Just watch the memorial videos and get over it.
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? You're looking forward to the possibility of ruining their lives? Nice to know you're a douchebag ahead of time (that's probably how I'm going to remember you...no, I can't lie, I won't remember you at all...)! No offense.
Personally, I'm looking forward to people shutting the fuck up about what they want leak-wise.
Everybody needs a dream, I guess...:lol:
I'm not at all. I really don't want to see his life get ruined. A lawsuit from a company like that, along with the $150,000 is a huge hit to someone's career and life in general. Just watch the memorial videos and get over it.
wait a minute.. nowhere did i wish for the creators to get ruined by litigation. its my personal theory that the C&D was intimidation, and that the company may not go after a leak, especially months later. but thats my personal thought, and im certainly in no position to dictate how the creators should deal with the situation as it applies to them in reality.. and so i respect their decision, even though i disagree.
the memorial vids were cool though. maybe someone can take the alpha version that DID leak (not the beta) and pick it up from there? who knows.
the issue is mostly done with by this point, didnt want to up this off the second page but i was late in seeing the replies.
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Still, whether or not you believe what SE's legal department will or will not do (why WOULDN'T they?), it's the risk at all that's not worth it.
maybe someone can take the alpha version that DID leak (not the beta) and pick it up from there? who knows.
Meh, it won't be CE, so why bother? Just make an original fan project rather than dump all over someone else's hard work.
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the memorial vids were cool though. maybe someone can take the alpha version that DID leak (not the beta) and pick it up from there? who knows.
There are at least two groups doing this right now. One of the groups, I know very little about. It's not popular(and I don't even know if they're continuing restoration). The other one I am following somewhat closely and it seems like if it is ever completed, it will be quite magnificent. I don't care about everyone bashing people for trying to restore the alpha leak. I find that really mean considering there are fans out there willing to try to restore CE to what it should have been, considering the creators' desires not to release the 98% finished version. So I give them my support and others should too. I find it really annoying that supposedly they've been harassed and possibly threatened about continuing the projects.
So all you can do now is wait until either they give up, or finish what they sought out to do. I'm hoping for the latter, because no matter how difficult it is to restore CE , it will be worth it. And if anyone is thinking of asking me any names, don't because I'm not giving them and those who know about it, don't give the names either because it's against the project leader's wishes for details to be divulged.
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I'll give names, then. It's kando and his friends.
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I'll give names, then. It's kando and his friends.
i thought that the dark3mx guy was doing it too. arent they like seperate groups or whatever?
dont care about that kind of thing. just dont make it totally shitty. make it a mirror of the videos (or the closest you can) or dont try at all. but maybe they should make their own game.
i dont know how hard any of it is, so whatever.
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The reason why it's wrong to restore CE is that the project was C&D'd under very specific terms, with specific punishment assigned to specific people. Even if someone not mentioned in the C&D released a finished CE, SE might hypothetically inflict the stated punishment on the CE team just as a hairtrigger reaction. The chance of this happening might be small, yes, but it's there -- and given the size of the punishment, it is non-negligible.
I'd hope that kando would find some value in contributing his talents to other fan projects for which no such risk exists.
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I'll give names, then. It's kando and his friends.
no, its kando. alone. and if it gets complete, it wont be "released".
and if it gets complete, any means to keep the attention on me and away from the ce team will be done.
....if.
it probably wont ever get finished anyway.
zeality blew my cover :[
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kando, I've seen your work on CE before you pulled the videos, and I honestly feel you've got quite a bit of talent -- definitely moreso than myself in sheer technical terms and room for growth. There are other opportunities out there, even outside the Chrono franchise, and potentially legitimate within the current limits of copyright law if the pitch is successful (which I have outlined elsewhere, if you'd be interested in helping with that -- you're certainly more than welcome, should the possibility inspire you).
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That's kind of mean. Jerk.
Oh yay excuse to use my second favorite random emoticon. :picardno :picardno :picardno :picardno :picardno :picardno
Also, what I find really funny is that at first Zeality was like "OH HEY I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU DO WITH THE ALPHA. GO AT IT!!" And now every opportunity he finds to bash the restoration people, he takes. Change of mind much? I don't really get the new animosity.
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kando, I've seen your work on CE before you pulled the videos, and I honestly feel you've got quite a bit of talent -- definitely moreso than myself in sheer technical terms and room for growth. There are other opportunities out there, even outside the Chrono franchise, and potentially legitimate within the current limits of copyright law if the pitch is successful (which I have outlined elsewhere, if you'd be interested in helping with that -- you're certainly more than welcome, should the possibility inspire you).
when the time and opportunities come, i am ready.
i mean seriously, the only reason im even doing this little project is because i just want the game...its for me to play it. like i said, IF i even finish it, it wont be released, and i may even change the name to further disassociate it with ce.
i mean hell if i had the beta id have no reason to be doing this.... and damn you fw for making my head spin, ur giving me an ethics guilt trip >.<
Also, what I find really funny is that at first Zeality was like "OH HEY I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU DO WITH THE ALPHA. GO AT IT!!" And now every opportunity he finds to bash the restoration people, he takes. Change of mind much? I don't really get the new animosity.
he bashed me? i didnt see him bash me.
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I really don't care what they do; I "outed" them (I thought it was obvious it was them, since they told just about everyone) because they generally behaved like jerks. Not going into specifics, but we were about to have enough complaints to have them blocked from #compendium.
And please, "everyone get mad at ZeaLitY" is hilarious, since I helped make the game. Ingrates.
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GAH i keep hitting quote instead of modify >.<
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Not really this time, but he was obviously trying to be a douchebag by saying your name when I explicitly said not to. Usually if any kind of talk of restoration projects are made, he says something about how idiotic people have to be to try to do it because of the inherent time-consuming nature of it and how it's basically impossible to do. Really don't appreciate it, and especially very hypocritical of him considering his whole "SPRINGTIME OF YOUTH!!" thing. Isn't the motto to do the impossible?
I really don't care what they do; I "outed" them (I thought it was obvious it was them, since they told just about everyone) because they generally behaved like jerks. Not going into specifics, but we were about to have enough complaints to have them blocked from #compendium.
Where the hell is this coming from? How has Kando been disrespectful in ANY way?
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I'm not telling you specifics, or the reporters will be called whiners, etc. Ramsus, myself, and the IRC moderators received complaints of jerk behavior more than once about him and a few others.
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I really don't care what they do; I "outed" them (I thought it was obvious it was them, since they told just about everyone) because they generally behaved like jerks. Not going into specifics, but we were about to have enough complaints to have them blocked from #compendium.
Where the hell is this coming from? How has Kando been disrespectful in ANY way?
i dont think he was talking about me, as i havent been outed...id hope, and i think im right, that the staff here can see i try my best to be a good guy, not an asshole.
im pretty sure he's talking about the leakers, and that other pathetic excuse of a "team" doing the other restoration...they are leaking bastards who are, if they are even still working on it, embarrassingly destroying what was the ce leak.
if im wrong, by all means correct me :)
*edit* oh nm apparantly i got complaints? heh id love to hear those, as i do all i can to be friendly. either way, i dont believe i have been disrespectful here.
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I don't particularly care who bitched about kando. I have never seen any bad behavior from him. If there really is something that Kando did, I don't know about it and I really doubt he'd do anything mean. Regardless, he never did anything against you and whatever he's accused of doing to others is beside the point. You NEVER think you're in the wrong about anything, even when others will say you are, and it was a DICK move to "out" him. I hope he doesn't get any more harassment because of you.
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*blink blink*
WTF is going on here?
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I don't particularly care who bitched about kando. I have never seen any bad behavior from him. If there really is something that Kando did, I don't know about it and I really doubt he'd do anything mean. Regardless, he never did anything against you and whatever he's accused of doing to others is beside the point. You NEVER think you're in the wrong about anything, even when others will say you are, and it was a DICK move to "out" him. I hope he doesn't get any more harassment because of you.
First, many, many people knew he was already doing this. I'm surprised you didn't. Second, you need to calm down. You're not a Compendium administrator or moderator, nor are you one of the parties complaints get reported to. Third, regardless of whether he did something to me, Compendium moderators and administrators are tasked with resolving disputes in the community. And fourth, don't claim the authority to tell me what to do with something that I, Agent 12, and Chrono'99 made, especially something we can incur legal liability for and that can have the Compendium removed.
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Fine I'll "calm down". I'm done arguing about this, but regardless of me not being a moderator(and no, I never even want to ever moderate any place I am at), I will always stand up for people being bullied. End of discussion for me. You can keep arguing with others if you want.
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*blink blink*
WTF is going on here?
good news/bad news! the bad news is that some people were jerks, but the good news is who the fuck cares?
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There are at least two groups doing this right now. One of the groups, I know very little about. It's not popular(and I don't even know if they're continuing restoration). The other one I am following somewhat closely and it seems like if it is ever completed, it will be quite magnificent. I don't care about everyone bashing people for trying to restore the alpha leak. I find that really mean considering there are fans out there willing to try to restore CE to what it should have been, considering the creators' desires not to release the 98% finished version. So I give them my support and others should too. I find it really annoying that supposedly they've been harassed and possibly threatened about continuing the projects.
So all you can do now is wait until either they give up, or finish what they sought out to do. I'm hoping for the latter, because no matter how difficult it is to restore CE , it will be worth it. And if anyone is thinking of asking me any names, don't because I'm not giving them and those who know about it, don't give the names either because it's against the project leader's wishes for details to be divulged.
Then you shouldn't have posted about it to begin with. Don't get mad a ZealitY for saying a name. It's not like it was privileged information (or else he and many others wouldn't have it).
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Then you shouldn't have posted about it to begin with. Don't get mad a ZealitY for saying a name. It's not like it was privileged information (or else he and many others wouldn't have it).
well, i took down my videos months ago, went underground, only a few ppl on irc knew anything about it...no forum posts, no nothing. so yea, i didnt even think anyone here thought i was still playing around with it. I just wish i could show ppl the progress im making but i want to keep it underground, so pretend there's nothing going on. You probably wont see my project at all.
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and it was a DICK move to "out" him. I hope he doesn't get any more harassment because of you
Being called out is not a "dick" thing to do. Zeality and those who are the CREATORS of Crimson Echoes have every right to call someone out who's coming BEHIND them and picking up the pieces. Besides, it wasn't exactly a secret it was kando. Heck, I have barely been around the past few months and even I knew it was kando, and we've never ever had any contact before.
Either way, Zeality, Chrono'99, and Agent 12 pretty much always gets trump with Crimson Echoes. Just like Kato and company always get trump with Chrono Trigger. And Stan Lee gets trump on his creations. And I get trump on Boo the Gentleman Caller. And Picard gets trump on the Borg. And... That's it. I'm done.
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ohi boo, nice to meet u then 8)
someone forgot to tell me when i was outed... i found out that i was outed....today...what happened to out me? i dont remember being banned or treated any differently...
i have no reason to be mad at anyone...as far as im concerned, nobody has done me dirty.
other people that have personal grievances, hey, thats your business.
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I would still just like to say that I am Impressed with Kando's talent for making progress at all, whether sanctioned or not. :lol:
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I have no qualms with Kando either (nice to meet you, too), and I haven't seen your work, so I can't comment. However, seeing that Crimson Echoes is their original creation and baby, I sort of have to side more on them. If they have are uncomfortable with this and prefer that you didn't continue (which they may very well be; I dunno - I'm not in regular contact with any of them), they have every right to feel that way. Besides, they're really the most at risk here. But so far ZeaLity and company aren't calling for you to stop, so I def don't have any right to speak on the matter...
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yeah, it should be up to those guys. if they say that you can keep doing it then you should keep with it. if not, let your talents (he has talents? never seen or heard of them before today) flourish elsewhere.