Chrono Compendium
News and Updates => Site Updates => Topic started by: ZeaLitY on June 05, 2009, 11:56:35 pm
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(begin agent 12)
Video 23 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv5VeTGN_9s&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=23&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 24 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIwJi3kLSbg&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=24&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98E_OG9bIto&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=25&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
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As you know, an old alpha version of the game was recently leaked to torrent sites. The team and Compendium administrators examined the leak and the facts of the case, and determined that the build immediately predated the one given to beta testers, thus exonerating beta testers from suspicion. We had an anonymous tip after this, and other corroborating evidence led us to the people who leaked the game. This is a complicated story, but it went like this:
- On May 9, one day after the cease & desist, Agasa brainstormed a plan to leak the game.
- Agasa told Teaflower, who solicited a build of the game from justin3009.
- On May 10, Teaflower, justin3009, and Arutoa met to discuss distribution.
- Teaflower uploaded the game to Mediafire.
- It was quickly caught, or she removed it.
- On May 11, she left a text apology in her Mediafire share, but without a clue to the author's identity.
- On May 30, someone from this original group, or someone who acquired it from Mediafire uploaded it to Rapidshare and several torrent sites.
It was demonstrated through chat logs of the conspirators' planning that they acknowledged the severe legal risk this would place upon the game's developers, as well as the massive threat it posted to the Chrono Compendium community. It is regrettable, but all four members mentioned herein are now permanently banned with the support of the Chrono Compendium administration and the Crimson Echoes team. We hope they will contemplate ethical behavior in the near future, and we apologize for this breach. We have to take a hard line on this.
Since this is such a serious event, we now interject something ridiculous to lighten things up:
(http://chronofan.com/Zeality/1242259268338.png) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqM-ef-NcF8&fmt=18)
Ridiculously awesome.
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I'm still saddened that this happened, as justin was a great member in the CT modding community.
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Whoa... Justin? Really? That's really... disappointing. I always assumed he was smarter than to do something like that. Good to know the mystery of the leaker is solved, though. Sorry it happened, but he did put you (the CE team) at risk, as well as the Compendium as a whole. I hate the following phrase but find it acceptable for the current situation: it is what it is.
On a brighter note, I just saw The Hangover. It was hilarious.
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Revised.
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What the hell is going to be next? It seems that every time I think the dust is beginning to settle more bad news and more bans come. All of this makes my head hurt trying to keep up...shit just got real.
Boo, good to hear. I want to see that movie.
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Crazy. While I haven't been here much, I honestly can't say I'm sad to see them go. But Teaflower seemed like a fairly big part of the compendium. or atleast, a respected member of it. Oh well. Glad to see you got to the root of the alpha leak. I wish they would have conspired to release the beta though >_>... No offence, I don't want you to get in legal trouble or anything... But if something was leaked, I wish it would have been that.
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Though I'm glad to know the problem of the leaked Alpha is solved, I'm surprised of the outcome, and even more about the ones involved.
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The official meeting place of banned members will be #outlaws on the IRC server after the server move and as I crack down on banned members using the IRC service.
Chances are they won't bother meeting there, but they'll have access.
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justin3009 has a long history of contribution to Chrono exploration, and I respected him hugely. His work with Chrono Trigger techs as early as 2006 made the rest of us realize that we could dare to dream bigger things. I also knew teaflower and PSZ to be intelligent and dedicated Chrono fans. But the sad fact is, when someone's facing the clearly stated potential for a $150,000 fine and/or a court case, you just can't tempt fate like this.
It is a sad day for the Compendium. I hope all those involved learn from this episode, and understand the gravity of what they allowed to happen.
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Justin3009? He was working on Playable Schala, wasn't he?
Sheeeeeeiiiit.
Guess you did what you had to, though.
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The official meeting place of banned members will be #outlaws on the IRC server after the server move and as I crack down on banned members using the IRC service.
Chances are they won't bother meeting there, but they'll have access.
ill probably be hanging out there when I'm on, as to be a gatekeeper or watchman of sorts... as to not 100% alienat3 everyone...
Alienat3 refers to Alienat0r, as a reference to being evil or permabanned, if you didn't notice...
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*sigh* The C&D has been nothing but poison for the community...I can't help but feel bad for tea at least because I think she's younger and probably more impressionable than the rest, but everyone involved did wrong and that's sad.
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I do feel bad for Tea and Justin, I'm good friends with them both. But what done is done.
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I don't know Arutoa and Agasa too well, but I will miss Tea, PSZ, and Justin. They did what they thought they should do though, I hope they fully understand and accept their punishment.
I am also glad that my personal suspect was proven to be false, Sorry Maggikarp!
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I never knew justin (til today in irc)
I will miss both him and tea...
I mean, yeah, I agree that something like that requires a counter-action...
...but still, its sad knowing their regret.
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No fucking way, Justin!?
He was the one who got me started on hacking Chrono Trigger.
Fuck man, this place just got lamer.
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I hate to say it, but I'm surprised it took this long for there to have been a leak...
I hate to see that the CE Team's trust was betrayed, though. That's always tough.
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The way I see this situation is that no matter how low the chance of a lawsuit is (and I honestly believe that even if the 98% beta leaked, it'd be like 1 in 10,000), it's nobody's risk to take but the people's whose names are on that C+D. No one else has the right to take the risk for them. We can only hope that one day the creators see fit to assume the risk and find a way for everyone to experience the full Crimson Echoes by playing it themselves.
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The way I see this situation is that no matter how low the chance of a lawsuit is (and I honestly believe that even if the 98% beta leaked, it'd be like 1 in 10,000), it's nobody's risk to take but the people's whose names are on that C+D. No one else has the right to take the risk for them. We can only hope that one day the creators see fit to assume the risk and find a way for everyone to experience the full Crimson Echoes by playing it themselves.
Well said, on all counts.
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Gah, this anouncement has delayed my CE viewing >=( ). Oh well, Updates on situations like these ARE mandatory, so I'll let it go... But JUST THIS ONCE!!!
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JP still plans to get the next segment out tonight / today.
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mmkay, thanks. I was thinking he delayed himself to give this anouncement some air time before being covered by a measly video update. Like I said, updates like these are kind of mandatory. But whatev's, I'm getting my CE fix, so I'm happy.
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I'm repeating myself, but I'm sad about this. :( :(
It might just be my sentiments...
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im sorry for what i said JP after reading your rant and seeing it from your point of veiw what they did was very bad
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ok everyone... Throughout this entire fiasco I've managed to keep my calm. I kept my calm when I got a C&D, I kept my calm when I SE totally snubbed me, I kept my calm against an entire forum of people talking about how I faked the whole thing for some sort of fucking internet popularity contest. I rarely rant on the internet because honestly I dont really care about people on the internet (no offense). My "real" life is actually pretty awesome ( very few people here know about my real life but they can atest to it). But after reading this and reading the actual logs of what happened (I dont think they are public) this has hit a chord with me. People showing sympathy to these people are just plain wrong. I'm going to go on what may be my one and only rant ever on the internet:
These people willingly (and trust me it's willingly) went out of their way to potentially ruin 2 peoples lives over a video game. Trust me everyone in here loves chrono trigger.....and I can pretty confidently say I may love it more than anyone here (cept maybe Z). If you want proof then go check out a few youtube videos that I've uploaded cause guess what I made an entire fucking new game over the course of 5 years, can anyone else say that? But even worse than that these people felt like they had the right to take all the hard work that I did and hand it out for me? And not even that, they are fucking dumb enough to not even get the latest version and still rename it....and I quote Chrono Trigger - Crimson Echoes - Most Up To Date (2009).zip.
(10:06 AM) TeaFlower: How will they find us? Sure, they can track our IPs, but... if we do it through something like a proxy... we should be cool. Can't track a proxy, if they don't know about it they can't find us.
(10:06 AM) Transfer of "Chrono Trigger - Crimson Echoes - Most Up To Date (2009).zip" is complete.
Awesome now everyone got to see a project that I worked on for years in a horrible incomplete form. And as an added bonus SE can potentially follow up on their legal thread to sue me if it gets distributed. Oh yea....I forgot to mention they uploaded the entire damn ROM which is one of our few legal arguments against square enix. Oh wait......the idiocy goes even further. They willingly did that with not one, but 2 people on the compendium who have what.....I'm pretty sure it's less than 10 posts...I've never heard of them has anyone else?
[deleted another rant that might not be taken so well by other people]
I'm so pissed right now....I may delete this post later so everyone enjoy seeing me go off the handle while they still can.
fucking idiots.......]
--JP
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I say this is probably one of the greatest tragedy's of all time.
Worse than the Holocaust? I guess it was pretty bad...
I changed my mind.Yeah, I agreed.
Wow, A12, did not actually see that coming, I guess this is not bad, but WORST event from Compendium.
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Thanks for the video, but isn't it appropriate to rename the topic or create new thread or edit older thread?
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Ranting on the internet is a good way to vent steam. It stops you from possibly getting pissed at someone you know in real life. I don't really think there's a need to ever delete anything but.. meh. Take all the time you want on those CE videos. After this I don't mind a slightly later update time. (Not to say you are uploading these purely for my benefit :P)
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They should be on the first post now.
--JP
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ahhhh, thank you. See you guys in half an hour xD
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If Square wanted to sue you over this alpha leak they'd have done it already. Be mad over the fact that the alpha that got released is a horrible misrepresentation of the work you put into this project. Be mad that people betrayed you and went behind your back to release the game without permission. But you are absolutely positively not going to get sued as a result of this leak. Square has nothing to gain by suing over the alpha, because if they sued, first off, the beta would probably be leaked by someone (in for a penny, in for a pound, mirite?). They wouldn't get any money off of you because they wouldn't win (and even if they did by some travesty of justice win, you can't very well get blood from a turnip). Any "message" they'd hope to send by making an example out of you be destroyed if they lost (because precedence would be against them).
I'm not saying you should defy them, because it's not my decision to make. It's yours, and even though I don't believe the leakers put you or this site in any danger, they still went behind your back, which was wrong.
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Ry,
maybe it wasn't clear in my rant but I'm more pissed at the misrepresentation/ lack of respect by the people then I am about getting sued.......um let me put it in perspective:
Imagine being a ph'd student and spending several years on your thesis. You finished your thesis but haven't proof read it even once. A few months later you've found almost every single typo, reworded it just to your liking and were really happy with the product.
Then......out of nowhere your mentally challenged half drunk roommate who you put up with just cause you've known him for so long.....takes the very first version of your thesis and sends it in to a conference without asking you....and furthermore he tells that conference that it was the final product. Um....and just for kicks you may get kicked out of the progrm if the thesis is bad (yea that last part is a stretch but I needed an analogy for the punishment)
That's pretty much what happened...and that's why i'm so angry.
--JP
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I can understand that. I once gave a guy a fanfic of mine to post up, only for him to screw up the formatting and let a badly mangled/html-ed version sit on Deviantart for several hours before I was able to correct him. I understand how that feels and how you didn't want this alpha to be the only way people could play through your work.
I wasn't intending to come off hostile, I just feel as if the legal threat to all of you and the Compendium is being overstated... but again, I'm not the one with my ass in the fryer potentially, so maybe I shouldn't say anything :)
On a note related to the chapter at hand, did you intend for the Huacan Factory to be a great level-grinding area by giving the Acids/Alkalines 1,000 EXP drops? I know that you already said the hack would be hard and the level-grinding spot would be a very good opportunity to bridge the gap from LVL 20 to LVL 30 in a very short time.
Edit: And now I can see that you did not, as you changed it drastically for the beta. Good idea for balance's sake, though I would have missed the opportunity to level up so much.
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Ho....Ly.....Crap..... Dear god, that chapter was amazing.... I loved the scene with Lucca and the operator during the wall of text. it was so well written. I also loved the fluency of the boss fight. This chapter was truly amazing. Now the one I've been looking forward to most... but that is for another day...
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oi, its late guys
goodnight
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You definitely shouldn't delete your rant, JP. It does people some good to hear it from you. You're at the center of this imbroglio. It's your game--or at least it became your game by default after you did most of the work on it. Most of us know how much it stings when somebody misrepresents our words or our works, but it can be hard to empathize with other people when they're the victims of such misrepresentation. I think you spelled it out pretty well here.
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anywho, I'm off to bed. I hope my reaction is the kind of stuff you were hoping to see before you leave A12.
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Just finished watching. I have to say, the music in this section is really superb and the most memorable so far. It really sets the mood for all those walls of text XD
Thanks...I know you guys have a lot on your minds right now, but you still went on to write all those comments for your videos...so, seriously, thanks very much for your hard work.
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tea.... justin.... but :( ... justin3009 was my spriting idol and teaflower was gonna make a song with me.
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Bad news indeed. What's baffling concerning Justin and PSZ is that they had their own fanprojects going or planned, and yet they didn't respect our own project. I would have thought they could have put themselves in JP's or Zeality's place for a sec and see what their actions entailed, but they didn't.
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So, all ROM modifications here have been banned and the vast majority of everything in the Chrono series has been analyzed to death. What's the point of this site existing anymore, aside from just a forum for people interested in the game to talk about things unrelated to the game?
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the vast majority of everything in the Chrono series has been analyzed to death.
It hasn't.
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Hmmmm.. Didn't see an answer to this in the earlier posts. When I try to download the youtube videos there's always some glitching/graphical errors in the beginning. Any way to get around this? Or are you going to release all the videos afterwards in a torrent or make it available somewhere else than youtube as to have the original videos?
(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7567/errorhhe.jpg)
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why leak the alpha though? Wouldn't leaking the alpha narrow down who could have done it? Also, from what I hear, the alpha doesn't show much of "what could have been".
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*slaps his own forehead* And here I thought I was gonna have a really good day. You did what?!
Perhaps you may have had teaflower and Agasa's evidence of distribution. However, let me say that almost anyone can claim he can kill his neighbor but can't actually. Thus, I don't know what evidence there is to ban Justin out of all people, unless you can open my eyes a bit.
Although I do understand you guys are uncomfortable with the leak. But perhaps you're missing the point that the leak is STILL going around. Maybe Justin and Tea are, even now, loyal to the Compendium and wouldn't dare do it again even if it was a minor leak before. But I have seen the leaks leaking around, and it's not really that hard to find. And guess what, most of the leaks are courtesy of Dark Serge and there's not much one can do about it. And even now there are plenty of people out there who'd like to either finish Crimson Echoes in their own way or keep the distribution going, a storm of distribution indeed, and I take it that would anger you the most. But like I said, it's out of your control, mate (and I'm sorry if I've gotten to your nerves, but it's the truth).
I can't believe two of our most loyal supporters had the nerve of doing something like that (I didn't really know Agasa that well, sorry) especially when the lives of the developers are at stake, but it's tempting, human nature, I admit.
But true, I have no right to judge your judgment though, because it is you who have been wronged, not me.
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Wow. 5 people down now? Dark Serge, Teaflower, and Justin? I didn't know the other two people, so eff them... This situation just gets crazier. I'm sorry this had to happen to you guys, ZeaLity, Agent12. Just know that we've got your back. Justin is really the only one I'm sad to see go after that fiasco, and that's simply because he was an integral member of the modding community.
So to all those who were involved in selfish activity, putting CE, the creator's of CE, and the Compendium itself at risk: eff you. You deserve to be banned. I hope you guys watch the Compendium as Guests and see this thread.
SHAME ON YOU.
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Was I really a suspect at all? I know I can be a bit... wacky sometimes, and all of my comics of CE so far have been somewhat derisive (though I can't deny I love it), but I know when to be "SERIOUS BUSINESS" about these things.
Besides, I would have done it much sooner and have had the sense not to name the file CRIMSON ECHOES.
...That they would show such foolishness has me suspicious, but oh well.
There's still plenty of mediums to do fan projects in and even the parts of the Chrono series that have been analyzed to death can stay fresh if you try to see them in a different light. It's unfortunate what happened to this group, we should remember them fondly despite what they did, but as long as we stay active and get more creative, this won't hurt the community in the long run.
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ok everyone... Throughout this entire fiasco I've managed to keep my calm. I kept my calm when I got a C&D, I kept my calm when I SE totally snubbed me, I kept my calm against an entire forum of people talking about how I faked the whole thing for some sort of fucking internet popularity contest. I rarely rant on the internet because honestly I dont really care about people on the internet (no offense). My "real" life is actually pretty awesome ( very few people here know about my real life but they can atest to it). But after reading this and reading the actual logs of what happened (I dont think they are public) this has hit a chord with me. People showing sympathy to these people are just plain wrong. I'm going to go on what may be my one and only rant ever on the internet:
These people willingly (and trust me it's willingly) went out of their way to potentially ruin 2 peoples lives over a video game. Trust me everyone in here loves chrono trigger.....and I can pretty confidently say I may love it more than anyone here (cept maybe Z). If you want proof then go check out a few youtube videos that I've uploaded cause guess what I made an entire fucking new game over the course of 5 years, can anyone else say that? But even worse than that these people felt like they had the right to take all the hard work that I did and hand it out for me? And not even that, they are fucking dumb enough to not even get the latest version and still rename it....and I quote Chrono Trigger - Crimson Echoes - Most Up To Date (2009).zip.
(10:06 AM) TeaFlower: How will they find us? Sure, they can track our IPs, but... if we do it through something like a proxy... we should be cool. Can't track a proxy, if they don't know about it they can't find us.
(10:06 AM) Transfer of "Chrono Trigger - Crimson Echoes - Most Up To Date (2009).zip" is complete.
Awesome now everyone got to see a project that I worked on for years in a horrible incomplete form. And as an added bonus SE can potentially follow up on their legal thread to sue me if it gets distributed. Oh yea....I forgot to mention they uploaded the entire damn ROM which is one of our few legal arguments against square enix. Oh wait......the idiocy goes even further. They willingly did that with not one, but 2 people on the compendium who have what.....I'm pretty sure it's less than 10 posts...I've never heard of them has anyone else?
[deleted another rant that might not be taken so well by other people]
I'm so pissed right now....I may delete this post later so everyone enjoy seeing me go off the handle while they still can.
fucking idiots.......]
--JP
Very Well Said JP! I stumbled across this site from the Gamefaqs Chrono Trigger board 2 days before it was supposed to be finished and first thing i saw was about the C&D. at first i was kinda meh about it, but then i watched the previews you guys put up and my jaw hit the floor. Sorry that this had to happen and as for the people who leaked the alpha, shame on them and they got what they deserved that is something you just don't do.
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tea.... justin.... but :( ... justin3009 was my spriting idol and teaflower was gonna make a song with me.
Your spriting idols should be Darkken and Alcyone. I've yet to see a better spriter than they on this site.
I think I'll miss Tea the most. She's young and impressionable. I have no idea why the hell she was taking advice from those other two people. When it comes to matters like this, it's best to speak with only those you utterly trust.
Thus, I don't know what evidence there is to ban Justin out of all people, unless you can open my eyes a bit.
Justin is the one who gave Teaflower a patched alpha ROM.
Also, I like the (begin Agent12)(end Agent12) bit. What are you, a spy or some supercomputer? :lol:
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odber, we'll make the source videos available. It's going to take awhile because you just reminded me that I might have to reprocess the audio on most chapters; Windows Media Player at least can't play the sound correctly on them.
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justin's banning proves that ZeaLitY is carrying out the "Leak = Banned" policy to the letter, without regard for the past history of the person leaking. This is just. The Internet is not so separate from the real world as we like to think sometimes; it's possible to ruin an otherwise sterling reputation in an instant.
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I just want to say anyone who believed my guilt based on a simple rumor is FUCKING RETARDED.\
I'm anticipating an apology from Zeality soon.
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Bad news indeed. What's baffling concerning Justin and PSZ is that they had their own fanprojects going or planned, and yet they didn't respect our own project. I would have thought they could have put themselves in JP's or Zeality's place for a sec and see what their actions entailed, but they didn't.
Again, bloody retarded for believing my guilt based on a freaking rumor. If I could, I'd spit on you
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I saw this topic before when it only mentioned the leaker as Justin and it wouldn't let me post, but Oh my God.
Basically I've been surprised several times here. I could not predict or expect any of this shit. First, that CE was actually coming out, then the CnD, then the Youtube videos, then Dark Serge being Alienator or whatever, then a leak of the alpha, then you FIND the leaker(holy f-ing crap that's like some tv detective shit) and it turns out to be JUSTIN? and TEA? WTF. WTF indeed.
And really, as much as I want to feel sympathy for them, I can't because they knew full well what they were doing. They didn't even speak in coded messages like "spilling the cookie jar" or some BS like that. They knew. God Damn.
As far as the development team, you're doing the right thing by outting them and posting that info in the news, cause if SE does have people that still check this site or the forums, they probably know about the leak and needed to know who it was that did this.
But man, none of this would have happened if one or two things went differently. Alas, it didn't and will not be different. People have compared CnD day to Day of Lavos. I disagree. I'd say this feels more like an alternate dimension, and the CnD day was more comparable to the day Serge got killed and the timeline split. We're in Another World. We'd better get used to all that entails.
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Wow. 5 people down now? Dark Serge, Teaflower, and Justin? I didn't know the other two people, so eff them... This situation just gets crazier. I'm sorry this had to happen to you guys, ZeaLity, Agent12. Just know that we've got your back. Justin is really the only one I'm sad to see go after that fiasco, and that's simply because he was an integral member of the modding community.
So to all those who were involved in selfish activity, putting CE, the creator's of CE, and the Compendium itself at risk: eff you. You deserve to be banned. I hope you guys watch the Compendium as Guests and see this thread.
SHAME ON YOU.
If that includes me, you just be glad I don't know you in real life...
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If that includes me, you just be glad I don't know you in real life...
So to all those who were involved in selfish activity, putting CE, the creator's of CE, and the Compendium itself at risk: eff you. You deserve to be banned.
Why would that include you? He's being very specific. If you were not involved, obviously that doesn't include you.
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I just want to say anyone who believed my guilt based on a simple rumor is FUCKING RETARDED.\
I'm anticipating an apology from Zeality soon.
Look, when theres any sort of evidence supporting the possibility that someone is related to a crime, they are a suspect.
The fact you're getting pissy about this and then blaming tea (over irc) for it is also quite foolish, from my perspective, considering it was Justin who turned in the chat logs to Zeality.
For all we know, Justin could have merely conspired with Shinrin and created a fake chat log "proving" that tea and you were related to the incident.
Edit: well, it wasn't fake... but that still doesn't out anyone.
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tea.... justin.... but :( ... justin3009 was my spriting idol and teaflower was gonna make a song with me.
Your spriting idols should be Darkken and Alcyone. I've yet to see a better spriter than they on this site.
I think I'll miss Tea the most. She's young and impressionable. I have no idea why the hell she was taking advice from those other two people. When it comes to matters like this, it's best to speak with only those you utterly trust.
Thus, I don't know what evidence there is to ban Justin out of all people, unless you can open my eyes a bit.
Justin is the one who gave Teaflower a patched alpha ROM.
Also, I like the (begin Agent12)(end Agent12) bit. What are you, a spy or some supercomputer? :lol:
I feel the same as Zephira , I'll miss Tea she was a very imaginative girl who I loved Rping with .
On a side Note ~ Alcyone Sprites are Delicious.
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The fact that your on PSZ, does that mean you were able to meet with ZeaLitY? or are you still in question right now?
As for you Maggiekarp, I don't think the staff ever legitimately suspected you. But I did suggest you as a possible suspect. Based sole on the fact that They trusted you enough to be on the Beta team(reasonable that you may have had access to other copies), as well as your suspicious behavior and quick reply on the 4chan thread when to was leaked. I felt bad about naming you, cause your so awesome and all, but I felt that no rock should be left unturned.
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The fact that your on PSZ, does that mean you were able to meet with ZeaLitY? or are you still in question right now?
PSZ requested temporary access until the matter was settled (I think) and Its possible it was granted.
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And even now there are plenty of people out there who'd like to either finish Crimson Echoes in their own way or keep the distribution going, a storm of distribution indeed, and I take it that would anger you the most. But like I said, it's out of your control, mate (and I'm sorry if I've gotten to your nerves, but it's the truth).
There were some interesting conversations on the IRC last night. Someone was trying to finish it.
[6/5/2009 9:08 PM] <Dark3mx> V, whats being done right now is CE is being rebuilt from the Alpha by JoE and a few other peeps by using the info collected from the CEMemorial vids
[6/5/2009 9:08 PM] <Justin> er
[6/5/2009 9:08 PM] <Serge> less of pissed and more of an "ugh whats going on" kind of upset
[6/5/2009 9:08 PM] <Shinrin> yeah
[6/5/2009 9:08 PM] <Shinrin> this is the version that she sent me
[6/5/2009 9:08 PM] <Vehek> Who's JoE?
[6/5/2009 9:08 PM] <V> i hope they call it something different
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <Serge> JoEmAmMa?
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <Dark3mx> JoEmOmMa
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <Dark3mx> yup
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <FaFniR> yeah
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <Serge> *sigh*
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <Justin> that soudned like a bad joke
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <Dark3mx> it's not
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <Zephira> It is, and it's his name
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <V> Chunko Tigger: Crumson Ecko's Getting Up: Contents Under C&D
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <FaFniR> also they're going to fail miserably when they see all the bugs they'll have to correct
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <FaFniR> hahahaha
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <Justin> I don't think they have any idea what they're getting into
[6/5/2009 9:09 PM] <ZeaLitY> haha god why would they waste their time
[6/5/2009 9:10 PM] <Serge> hahaha =D
[6/5/2009 9:10 PM] <ZeaLitY> I alone submitted over 1,500 bugs
(Should I have removed some of the names?)
(On Schala) At a different point:
[6/5/2009 9:36 PM] <ZeaLitY> By the way justin was that PrincessSchalaZeal
[6/5/2009 9:36 PM] <Serge> lol
[6/5/2009 9:36 PM] <ZeaLitY> The "Schala" who approved of the plan
But later Zeality was talking about how PSZ was going to be banned. Confusing.
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Oh man, I'm sorry to see all this stuff happen. ;__;
Um.. I have one question though. I mean, the copies of the alpha say "Courtesy of Dark Serge." Was that just put there to make it seem like he was the one who did it, or did he actually leak it as well? o_O
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DarkSerge had nothing to do with the leak, that was a separate incident. As far as I am aware.
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I won't request you remove names*. I'm proud to have been a part of that conversation
EDIT: * MY names
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Alcyone, was the "Courtesy of Dark Serge" message in a .txt file or something? Does anyone know if it was stuffed in a .zip or something?
I'd like to let JoeMama know that each of those little flames surrounding Robo in "VulcanPulse" has its own object code. If he wants to replicate what's in the videos exactly, he should expect about a 10 hour learning curve for the techs if he's used to working with whatever old copy of the tech editor that might be floating around out there, and then two to four hours per tech once he gets his bearings. Also, the tech editor still lacked several functions that were absolutely vital, so he'll have to use a hex editor at some points. Hope he has fun with that; I know I did.
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what a mess.
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Tea was in IRC and as soon as I logged in she asked me to post a message on her SOY thread. It's there if you care to read it, cause she can't.
If I wasn't supposed to, I'm sorry. But in any case I didn't edit a thing, it's her words 100% after the horizontal rule (the line).
I can't attest to it's validity but if you care to read it or delete it you know where it is.
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I did not approve anything. Even if I wanted a leak, I'd complain about an alpha cause I'm a bleeding edge person.
Again, I can say I wish I could beat the lot of you dogs with an iron bat.
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Schala, if you're so innocent, take a chill. Honestly. All your talks of violence is just tarnishing your reputation. Not that it matters, but already I've lost so much respect for you just due to your reaction and your words here. Just take a chill pill. If you're innocent, you're innocent. As of right now no one is officially blaming you for anything - but if you continue acting the way you are, good Lord you are drawing suspicion to yourself. K? Just calm down... Take a nice deep breath... No need to make threats.
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I did not approve anything. Even if I wanted a leak, I'd complain about an alpha cause I'm a bleeding edge person.
Again, I can say I wish I could beat the lot of you dogs with an iron bat.
Yeah, you were accidentally identified as a leak conspirator and banned for a couple of hours. We're sorry about that. Maybe a couple hundred people who will never know you saw your name on a list and left. Boo-fucking-hoo. Doesn't mean you deserve any more respect for being proved not a party in this case than you had before you were considered to be involved.
Also, I don't see how anyone would want to apologize to you if you keep acting up either. If anything, you've taken this rather poorly, especially considering the outcome was so minimal. Grow some fucking tact and learn to just shut up and chill. Stupid threats and pompous demands won't get you anything. Wrongs will be righted in time, but not if you act like an asshole.
If anything, due to your responses, you've drawn more negative attention to yourself on the matter than you gained by being in the original post. Just step back and forget about it for a while.
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This C&D has made me very sad over the past couple of weeks. I mean, when I signed up on the 9th, everyone seemed so happy. You were all getting along, Crimson Echoes was coming out at the end of the month, There was just so much to talk about. Now, some are at eachother's throats, some are trying to maintain order of the situation as much as they can, and some are just sitting there, powerless to do anything, but see no reason to get mad. This place is just so sad and gloomy now. *Sigh* oh well, it's teh interwebz, and teh interwebz are srs bsnss.
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So, hey, uh, how about those kickass videos JP posted? Huh, huh?
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http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3145716&pagenumber=1
Something Awful is talking about it guys.
And Zeality, people still think you're a douche.
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from the few times I've ever been to SA forums it seemed to just reek of the typical internet stereotypes. There's some people that you just can't please.
--JP
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from the few times I've ever been to SA forums it seemed to just reek of the typical internet stereotypes. There's some people that you just can't please.
--JP
I just go there for the Let's Plays.
I was actually thinking about doing a Let's Play of Crimson Echoes, but you guys beat me to it.
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One thing I'd worry about: these people you banned didn't have any other builds of the game besides the alpha, did they? Now that they're banned, there wouldn't be anything besides basic human decency stopping them from leaking anything else they had.
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Wasn't Tea a beta-tester as well?
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*slaps his own forehead* No matter how hard we try the reputation of Chrono just keeps falling...
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Hope isn't lost. Perhaps for this particular franchise. The best screw-you to Square-heads is make something just as good or better.
If that doesn't work... well, you don't want to hear me rant about it.... again.
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PSZ, you're being the biggest bitch over all of this. You don't have to make your presence known at every mention of the subject.
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Re: the videos.
Holy crap, you know how impactful Lucca's line, "Heh... You don't know the will of the planet." is to me...
The Entity!!
You guys are great. Many kudos. Much appreciation and love. You writers and coders did a wonderful job at this ;) !! (I wish I can say keep up the good work... But yeah... [>.<] -- still, any hope for a response from SE...? You guys should continue pressing them for it... We deserve at least an updated one with more accurate facts...)
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PSZ has every right to be pissed. I'd be pissed too if I was accused of something I didn't do.
Hell, in Law and Order, whenever they bring in a perp and they're NOT pissed off about being accused of something, that person automatically becomes the #1 suspect.
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She was accused and then it was remissed. Besides, it's an effing video game, people.
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PSZ has every right to be pissed. I'd be pissed too if I was accused of something I didn't do.
Hell, in Law and Order, whenever they bring in a perp and they're NOT pissed off about being accused of something, that person automatically becomes the #1 suspect.
Ignorant fuck. I didn't say he couldn't be pissed. I was stating that he need not be a bitch in every thread that mentions the subject.
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I simply hope that the Compendium community will be able to recover from this (I read the entire thread -- understand a bit more -- and sounds like some of these guys were really nice people?)
(Again, personally, I think SE should release A DAMN UPDATED STATEMENT about this entire issue so the community can just move on and watch the videos. If Compendium can push for a joint-project, even better...)
I'll just say everyone makes mistakes. But wounds will be harder to patch -- it's always easier to destroy as opposed to create. Sure, respect and trust will have to be regained, but in due time I guess?
(And again, I don't have the $150 000 threat hovering above my head -- so I can possibly fathom what the CE team is feeling.)
I guess we need to let this whole issue die out (or is that what SE of America wants?)... It's destroying the community, and we need to get this settled. Videos are nice (no, really, they are totally amazing), but some of us feel that we should continue pushing SE to do something (I'm one of them).
**Side note:: these few months/ weeks will make a helluva grand entry on the Chrono Compendium history page... [http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Chrono_Compendium:About.html ]
I just hope that tensions and speculation get to a more stable and manageable state... Maybe one year from now? Two? who knows... Sometimes, things do in fact get crazy outta hand... (But holy crap, the game looks SOO nice, even I admit that if I had the chance... I dunno what I would do [-_-]...)
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If Square wanted to sue you over this alpha leak they'd have done it already.
This legal team has already proven itself incapable of proper timing.
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This legal team has already proven itself incapable of proper timing.
True, though the alpha leak got more press than the pre C+D trailer announcement. If Square wanted to sue for that, they'd do it. Before, I figured they'd just sue to send a message, but now I honestly don't think they'd sue unless they had SOMETHING tangible to gain.
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Alcyone, was the "Courtesy of Dark Serge" message in a .txt file or something? Does anyone know if it was stuffed in a .zip or something?
In the uploader's comments on a torrent site, it said "Chrono Trigger - Crimson Echoes - Courtesy of Dark Serge."
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Thanks Alcyone. It could be falsely attributed to Dark Serge as cover, but if anyone has leads like this, don't hesitate to let us know. Helps the Compendium cover its arse.
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Just remember, you gotta make that call! 1-800-CRIME-TV. And I guarantee you can remain anonymous. Until then, stay safe, and remember: you can make a difference!
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I know I am new here... and I understand maybe it is not my place to say this, but here goes...
I don't understand why people are upset about the ban, the first thing I saw when I registered was the post about "Next Stop Truth" made by FaustWolf, and some message from Zeality that said clearly "[...] Leak = Ban"
I don't full comprehend the circumstances, and about those who were accused but were innocent in the end, I did read the whole thread, but I just don't know all the details, I do know one thing, it was clearly evident, not just hinted or mentioned, that any sort of leak would ensue a permanent ban for those involved, and I do understand why this course of action must occur, real life complications can happen because of this leak, maybe not... but that's not the issue, the issue here is, it is up to those on the firing line, and them alone, to decide to pull the trigger or not, it was specified that they weren't going to pull it, so some people decided to pull the trigger for them, even though it mented a permaban should they were discovered, they were, the Sword of Damocles fell, I gather they were nice people, and supporters and important members of this community, but shit happens man, and they decided to go against the wishes of those in the firing line, and pulled the trigger anyways, Zeality had really no other choice but to enforce the permaban, lest the leaks continue in a far worse way, I know the alpha leak is probably on the net forever... but if Zeality did nothing, who stops people for going rogue? Not to mention what Agent12 has said, it was a violation of their trust, and it may have put them in jeaopardy.
I am sorry, but at least in my eyes, this was the only course of action for them to take, it's not like somebody put a gun to these people's head and force them to leak the Alpha, and this is coming from a guy that wants to experience the full Crimson Echoes with passion, but alas, it is not in my place to act on this impulse, I feel sorry for those who got banned, but it was their own fault.
I apologize again if my comments are out of place, and if I offended anyone, I am sorry, but these are my thoughts on this matter.
On a side note: I am loving the videos with a somewhat unhealthy passion, I don't want to see the last batch because I don't want to find myself without any more CE goodness... having said that, I am dying to know what happens, so maybe I will give in to my curiosity and watch them anyways, hope a new batch comes soon, not that I am bitching about it or anything, I just want more of CE n_n
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I have a question, regarding the fact of SE sue-ing the compendium over the alpha. If nothing happens a couple months down the line, who's to say the the uh "Alpha" got leaked {again} *wink wink*
Im not sayin to do anything , but it's a suggestion.
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It's already been suggested a million times. Even if the creators were planning a leak, they'd never, ever, EVER say they were doing so on here, and of course they'd always vehemently deny it.
No one knows for sure. If the creators decide to somehow leak it and we see it pop up on some torrent site some day, we'll all need to do our part and help the creators deny that they did so.
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I have a question, regarding the fact of SE sue-ing the compendium over the alpha. If nothing happens a couple months down the line, who's to say the the uh "Alpha" got leaked {again} *wink wink*
Im not sayin to do anything , but it's a suggestion.
This made me laugh. Thanks for an entertaining start to the day.
Seriously though, why do people keep asking for a leak? It's never going to happen. The risk is too great.
I still haven't actually watched the videos yet, but EDIII was one of my favourite chapters during beta testing. Such wonderful dialogue!
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Seriously though, why do people keep asking for a leak?
Because it's stupid, and stupid, for whatever reason, seems to be contagious.
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People: a leak is a horrible idea. I know you want to play Crimson Echoes - I do, too - but honestly. Just go to YouTube, enjoy the video walkthrough / playthrough, and leave it be. It seems like all the people who care about the leak are people who just recently registered. We're glad you did, but please, please understand that a leak is a horrible idea for ZeaLity, Agent 12, and others involved with Crimson Echoes' development.
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*shrug* Nobody thought the alpha would get leaked either, but here we are with five less members and a whole lot of pissed off creators and forumgoers.
I'm not holding my breath, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it pop up someday.
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Just asking but, what if instead of a leak using a torrent, the beta is sent instead through email? Will it be safer, or would there is still risk of someone reporting the act?
I know it won't happen despite the answer, but I'm curious about it.
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I don't want to speak for the "upper management", but that would still be leaking the beta. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THE BETA. The beta testers were told to destroy it, and if they haven't, then they risk themselves getting banned. That means sending to one person through e-mail is a violation of ZeaLity and Agent12's wishes, and could (and should) lead to a permanent ban. So to answer your question, Acacia Sgt, that would still be a bad idea with a potential ban attached to it.
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Emailing it is also a bad idea. Handing it off to anyone without permission, through any means at all, is considered a leak and should still be reported immediately.
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They would never, ever send it to anyone straight up, because that person would probably leak it.
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I REPEAT: ALL COPIES OF CRIMSON ECHOES SHOULD BE DESTROYED AT THIS POINT. If you have a copy you are a violator and potentially put yourself at risk.
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I see.
Well, it answers my doubt: No way is safe and good.
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Man, I haven't been getting on here enough recently due to all the crap happening in my life and I just noticed this. Bummer about teaflower and justin - I have no idea who the hell the others were though. But, they got what was coming to them. Not only did they do something hugely unethical with no thought whatsoever to the personal lives of Zeality and everyone - but they did it so brazenly as almost to make sure that they would get caught.
But since I missed so much of the drama, why did Dark Serge get banned as well? It seems like he wasn't banned for the leak from what I gather, and last I checked it wasn't a Compendium sin to be a major dick to anyone who doesn't like Cross...
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Some Advice - Watch the videos .
The commentary is awesome , it lets us see how the creators felt and they sorta help explain lots of things , it also gets you to be part of the action . I know the videos isn't the best and that everyone wants to play .
But the videos are better than nothing :)
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Sis. You're always so serious. It was a simple mistake.
Anyways, can you TRULY say a full leak is completely impossible? We've already seen that some long time members can be unreliable. What if one of them gets drunk? >_>
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But since I missed so much of the drama, why did Dark Serge get banned as well? It seems like he wasn't banned for the leak from what I gather, and last I checked it wasn't a Compendium sin to be a major dick to anyone who doesn't like Cross...
Very true. However, it is most definitely a sin to send a letter of defamation to Square Enix for the express purpose of killing the dreams of fellow fans. (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,7497.msg163557.html#msg163557) Even if he just claimed to have done it for kicks, the attention grab was ludicrous enough to justify banning. It's in the second half of Agent 12's frontpage news post there, since it was better to place emphasis on the good than the bad.
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Yeah Faust I just read that a little while ago. I mean damn, I knew Dark Serge had a tendency to be a dick but...wow.
EDIT: Man, I just can't get over what a fucking traitorous move that was if it was in fact a real e-mail.
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I'd like to let JoeMama know that each of those little flames surrounding Robo in "VulcanPulse" has its own object code. If he wants to replicate what's in the videos exactly, he should expect about a 10 hour learning curve for the techs if he's used to working with whatever old copy of the tech editor that might be floating around out there, and then two to four hours per tech once he gets his bearings. Also, the tech editor still lacked several functions that were absolutely vital, so he'll have to use a hex editor at some points. Hope he has fun with that; I know I did.
FaustWolf, you seem to have no faith in him. Who knows, maybe he CAN and WILL recreate Crimson Echoes. I will admit, with my experience in TF and a few other hex editors, it's a bitch to edit events and techs alike, but even if it takes 4 or 5 months to do, it might be worth it to him in the long run. Also, this thought struck me the first time I read this post, did you {FaustWolf} have any experience in hex editing before the creation of CE?
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Seriously though, why do people keep asking for a leak?
Because it's stupid, and stupid, for whatever reason, seems to be contagious.
Awesom, that's going in the quote page. :lol:
Anyways, can you TRULY say a full leak is completely impossible?
Yes, so everyone can STFU about it, put away their sorry Alpha and watch the CEMemorial vids.
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Also, this thought struck me the first time I read this post, did you {FaustWolf} have any experience in hex editing before the creation of CE?
Yes. I had the fantastic opportunity to be trained personally by the guy who literally wrote the book on PSX console architecture, and therein learned the proper train of thought for modding. During that time I also worked cooperatively with a team coders, modders, and modelers far more experienced than I was to determine the format of the Chrono Cross models. This (http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9080/71087247.png) is what I helped accomplish before joining the CE team.
Not that I begrudge him personally for embarking on what he's doing, other than the stark fact it could still get ZeaLitY and Agent 12 in hot water if successful. I simply wanted to give him a taste of the full breadth of what he is getting into.
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So YOU made Magus Unmasked? My god.... But back to the whol JoaMomma thing. If he were to recreate CE, and release it as an IPS patch and claim that Z/JP/you, had nothing to do with it {by that I mean, you did not help him code anything after he got his hands on the Alpha} You all would be home-free, and more likely, so would he.
Also, on a basis in legal info, Crimson Echoes would fall under Fair Use. If the source of all ideas,characters,text,music, etc. is cited, then there is some protection against copyright infringement, but citing alone is not enough to save your ass.
The right of Fair Use is placed upon any fan work. Anyways, the basics for Fair Use are:
1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
Those are the 4 points in which decide if the work is being used under the Fair use subject.
So, long story short, JoeMamma could release his full completed copy of CE and claim Fair Use, mainly because the game is not going to be sold for profit, it is cited as to where the story,characters, etc came from and the effect towards the sales of the original person(s) works would more likely be boosted from the release of the game, rather than to be shot down from it being a parody, or from the game being sold and claimed under copyright (which would be a stupid decision on his part to claim Copyrights)
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So YOU made Magus Unmasked? My god....
More correctly, I executed the technical side of it after gaining a plethora of basic knowledge within a rich modding culture full of experience, drive and curiosity. BROJ executed the artistic side with touchups on the artwork by Satoh, and we had quality control input from a wide range of fans. I think Maggiekarp may have provided some of the basic artwork too, or at least texture mockups. Also, we had Dark Serge bugtest...make what you will of that, yes, the Dark Serge had admirably contributed to Chrono modding before claiming to have single-handedly shut it down.
The lesson there is, I hope Joemama has a project team possessing a range of talents available to help him in such an endeavor.
I guess I'll let those named in the C&D comment on how they would feel if CE were replicated by another group and released. It's easy for you and I to say, "Sure! They've got all the legal bases covered!" but the situation may or may not appear different to those who were actually threatened.
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Not all of the alpha leakers were banned. I'll just say that.
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Huh? Are you implying that you leaked it as well?
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Huh? Are you implying that you leaked it as well?
talk about jumping to conclusions....
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I don't know if they'd ban the people who started spreading it after news of the initial leak broke, but people should know that's a no-no as well.
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Huh? Are you implying that you leaked it as well?
Nope. I'm implying that there is another leaker among us. Once more evidence is brought into play, he too will be banned.
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Yeah Faust I just read that a little while ago. I mean damn, I knew Dark Serge had a tendency to be a dick but...wow.
EDIT: Man, I just can't get over what a fucking traitorous move that was if it was in fact a real e-mail.
The email he sent had to be real. Despite the fact that "Neil" was misspelled, You have to take in account that there are a lot of grammatical errors when emailing SE support. Even if the email he posted up over in Kagero Studios was fake, he also mentioned that he had sent multiple emails to SE.
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Huh? Are you implying that you leaked it as well?
Nope. I'm implying that there is another leaker among us. Once more evidence is brought into play, he too will be banned.
And you know who it is?
Isnt like, holding back evidence from a court illegal?
(sorry for talking like marcy ugh!)
Not exactly saying this is a court, but still. All knowledge would be helpful..?
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Belaith has already sent the message to the staff and if he hasn't the he can be tried as covering up a criminal. Laith the staff aren't going easy on anyone.
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Belaith has already sent the message to the staff and if he hasn't the he can be tried as covering up a criminal. Laith the staff aren't going easy on anyone.
Yeah, hopefully he has.
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I see that I've blinked and yet again more shit has hit the fan...let it end.
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I see that I've blinked and yet again more shit has hit the fan...let it end.
I hear that...
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ugh... the {other} leaker could quite possibly be anyone, Laith may have one of the guys, but then again, it could be Laith, who knows. As far as I see it, let everything go, the game is out there, the leakers {truthfully} cant be stopped, they can just use HideIP and sign back up for the forums.
I wish thee good luck young chaps, May your findings be worth while.
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I've PM'd ZeaLitY with the details. Also, Pyt Fumv knows just as much as I do so I'm not alone in this. I can't believe it took this long to finally realize that, hey, this guy made it obvious.
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I've PM'd ZeaLitY with the details. Also, Pyt Fumv knows just as much as I do so I'm not alone in this. I can't believe it took this long to finally realize that, hey, this guy made it obvious.
Obviously you're just more assertive than most of us... heh
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So Dark Serge wrote an imposter email claiming to be Square's "Neilbot"?
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I've PM'd ZeaLitY with the details. Also, Pyt Fumv knows just as much as I do so I'm not alone in this. I can't believe it took this long to finally realize that, hey, this guy made it obvious.
Obviously you're just more assertive than most of us... heh
I've wanted to take this guy down for a while now. If I'm the only one investigating it then so be it.
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So Dark Serge wrote an imposter email claiming to be Square's "Neilbot"?
no, he claimed to have wrote a letter TO Neil, or just SE in general, stating that The CC was trying to gain profit from this fan-game. He admitted to this under the name Alienat0r on another board. We found out because our developers are like CSI, AND Sherlock Holmes mixed into one ;).
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So Square issued a C&D because they believed him?
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It's possible that they investigated the matter for about a month.
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So Square issued a C&D because they believed him?
SE isnt out for what they believe. If they did more research into the subject, they would have seen that Z never claimed copyrights and that the game was not to be sold for profit, they just read the email, took the opportunity and struck.
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Assume = making an "ass" out of "u" and "me"
Square is the "ass" in "assume"
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I've PM'd ZeaLitY with the details. Also, Pyt Fumv knows just as much as I do so I'm not alone in this. I can't believe it took this long to finally realize that, hey, this guy made it obvious.
Obviously you're just more assertive than most of us... heh
I've wanted to take this guy down for a while now. If I'm the only one investigating it then so be it.
Ah I know who it is now.
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Look, although they didn't do enough research, they sure as hell didn't just listen to the email and run rampant. They came here, and at least looked at the readme in the demo. Likewise they also did enough to get Zeality's email (which probably isn't too tough) and Agent 12's home address.
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Likewise they also did enough to get Zeality's email (which probably isn't too tough) and Agent 12's home address.
STALKERS! jk, but damn, thats a far measure just to get in contact with somebody.
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I've PM'd ZeaLitY with the details. Also, Pyt Fumv knows just as much as I do so I'm not alone in this. I can't believe it took this long to finally realize that, hey, this guy made it obvious.
Obviously you're just more assertive than most of us... heh
I've wanted to take this guy down for a while now. If I'm the only one investigating it then so be it.
Ah I know who it is now.
Let's just say that on 5/17/09, a lot went down in the IRC, and yesterday it's been made obvious after finding and reporting each and every Crimson Echoes leak on every torrent site.
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So what's this IRC thing again? And how do I get on board?
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Its a chat protocol, you can get on a few ways.
On the side bar under community is a link to IRC, just pop in a Nickname and your set. The complaint many people have is that the one provided by the compendium is too slow(I agree), so if you want you can download IRC client. A lot of us use mIRC, I prefer Pidgin as it is compatible with many major IMs. Ramsus has a small help guide here (http://irc.chronocompendium.com/help.html)
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Hoping nothing bad has happened to the team because of this... Square said anything to you guys in response? :\
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Just a friendly heads up! :D
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Next time, Lakonthegreat, notify an admin, preferably ZeaLitY or Agent 12. This will keep it low in case a fellow registered member uses this alias. This would be considered a heads up to said member. Also, try to refrain from linking.
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He notified me.
--JP
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He notified me.
--JP
And Zeality.
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Man, when there's a piece of juicy goodness and information.. I JUST HAPPEN TO BE AT WORK! stupid job.. making me miss things..
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Huh? Are you implying that you leaked it as well?
talk about jumping to conclusions....
Apologies to Laith :D, but that wasn't a very huge conclusion to jump to based on the way he worded it. Plus, I never hang in the IRC so I'm not on the "in" with these sort of things.
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I want to apologise to anyone I lashed out at here... I was angry, but it was no excuse nonetheless.
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I suggest that you change the title of this topic, so that outsiders can follow it more easily
For example: Alpha Leakers Banned & The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 7
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... Hmm.
There's something odd about all of this. Something isn't right.
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I've got that feeling too, tact.
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Oh, never have such fantastically helpful and informational replies been posted to a topic anywhere on the Internetz. Gold star to both of you for your sagely contributions.
:fuk
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hehehehzzzz NO U billy.
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Why so serious? Can I take part in the witch hunt? Belaith is a witch! CONFESS!
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The leak never happened. I think ZeaLitY just said it leaked so he could make it seem like there was a game.
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The leak never happened. I think ZeaLitY just said it leaked so he could make it seem like there was a game.
I leaked it to your mom Laithypoo.
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The leak never happened. I think ZeaLitY just said it leaked so he could make it seem like there was a game.
I think I missed something... Your making it sound like ZeaLitY himself leaked it. YOU NEED TO BE MORE CLEAR WITH YOUR WORDS YOUNG MAN!
P.S. ZeaLitY does't like your avatar :lol:
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Yeah. Let's convene a site-wide vote on whether it should be changed.
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Yeah. Let's convene a site-wide vote on whether it should be changed.
I'm going to put in ten million stealth votes from Iran for "yes".
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So I stumbled across a download for what someone claims is a 95% complete version of CE beta. I'm assuming you guys already know about this and that it's bullshit anyways, right? Is this the one that is really the alpha that teaflower and co. leaked claiming was the beta?
Oh well, I guess there's no way to stop people from continually leaking it...
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Every file that claims to be the 98% beta has been the alpha version, so...yeah, it's probably bullshit.
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This one was claimed to be a "95% version", not 98 - which is why I mentioned it. I figured it may be a new leak or something.
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Any time you find something that might be a new leak (or even an old leak), I'd suggest PMing the admins and telling only them rather than just posting about it here. If you post out in public that there might be a new leak, it encourages people to actively go looking for it, and if someone finds it and starts linking to it, there's no way to contain it. If the admins are the only ones who know and they catch it in time, they might be able to nip it in the bud.
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Yeah. Let's convene a site-wide vote on whether it should be changed.
You'll just have to get over it.
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Yeah. Let's convene a site-wide vote on whether it should be changed.
You'll just have to get over it.
Yeah fight the power.
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This one was claimed to be a "95% version", not 98 - which is why I mentioned it. I figured it may be a new leak or something.
Righto, I just figured that if the supposed 98% wasn't legit that the never-before-mentioned 95% was just plain nonsense. But I think this is the second time I've heard about a 95%...and it ended up being the 75% anyway, if I recall correctly.
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Yeah. Let's convene a site-wide vote on whether it should be changed.
You'll just have to get over it.
I tried a proposition with Z. He changes his, I change mine, we both get you to change yours. But I got no response, so I'll take that as being too busy for this kind of thing.
And I even kept it as a PM to try and keep the thread on topic, but at this point, whatever.
For the record, Laith, I like yours.
And that leak is all over the place. I'm surprised I haven't accidentally downloaded it looking for some song or movie or something, with how often it's mislabeled.
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I love my avatar.
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(vague notions of strange feelings)
Oh, never have such fantastically helpful and informational replies been posted to a topic anywhere on the Internetz. Gold star to both of you for your sagely contributions.
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See? THIS is what happens when I don't step in to edit or delete posts. :lol:
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this is why everyone loves you, V.
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This one was claimed to be a "95% version", not 98 - which is why I mentioned it. I figured it may be a new leak or something.
No, it's fake, judged by the famous "I BROUGHT 2 BETA, IT OK, RITE?" or something like that XD.
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Wow, I hopped on this wagon a bit late. :o I was oblivious to any of this going on... it's a shame things have unraveled the way they have. I don't know many of the members who were banned, but I did get to talk with Teaflower a few times and thought she was a very lovely girl. Very sad to hear about all this unfortunate news!
On a positive note, I'm really enjoying the CT videos on Youtube. :) I've been a bit sick lately, so it's actually been nice to sit back and watch all the work being done for me! I've actually quite enjoyed CE in this format, since I'm currently in a state of laziness and lethargy. I'm currently on Part 21, and very glad I didn't have to go through the Snaking Forest on my own! :P