Chrono Compendium
News and Updates => Site Updates => Topic started by: FaustWolf on May 30, 2009, 12:50:38 pm
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We are aware that there is a purported leak of the 98% beta of Crimson Echoes, and have started "The Month That Could Have Been" a day early to utterly crush that rumor. The "leak" apparently made it out of the beta testing pool in early February, before beta testing had even really begun. Thus it is nothing more than an alpha fraught with over 2000 bugs and furthermore lacks most of the new techs, portraits, and even the endings, which hadn't been coded yet. If you are one of the unlucky fans who've been jipped into believing that you have a real beta of Crimson Echoes, you will be sorely disappointed when you see the footage of the real 98% beta below.
The Compendium is making a good faith effort to have all torrents and uploads of this alpha removed in compliance with Square Enix's Cease and Desist order.
Throughout the month of June, keep an eye on the Compendium news page or subscribe to the CEMemorial Youtube account to watch a playthrough of the 98% beta. The first three videos are linked below:
Video 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSTpkMB9kNk&feature=PlayList&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=1&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaHLGUfBelI&feature=PlayList&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=2&playnext=3&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WESLhpIjoZ8&feature=PlayList&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=3&fmt=18)
Rest assured that any other Youtube videos you're seeing are not leaks of the 98% beta, but rather the obsolete alpha that must have leaked well before the C&D even arrived at the Compendium's doorstep. Keep an eye on the CEMemorial Youtube account throughout the month of June to see a full playthrough of the 98% beta! Try watching it anywhere else, and you're just gettin' jipped.
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Thanks for the update, Faust.
Good to know that the leak isn't legit (you should tell RomHacking forums that too).
And truly nice work with the vids. All of us are watching in awe (and in pain, but that can be ignored.... though SE really shouldn't [>.<]) ...
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The ROMhacking.net admins already locked the threads, so now the last word over there is people are going to think it was a legit leak. *sigh* We started "The Month That Could Have Been" a day early to prove that it wasn't a leak of the 98% beta.
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I forgot where exactly, but the was a thread at OCRemix and elsewhere too about the "doubts" of CE and ZeaLity, etc.
But regardless, I wouldn't give a rat's behind on what they think. :D Keep uploadin the videos, coz we know we're fair! :lee:
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I forgot where exactly, but the was a thread at OCRemix and elsewhere too about the "doubts" of CE and ZeaLity, etc.
Yeah, I've seen it. I'm actually waiting for the CEMemorial YouTube account to release a few more videos before I post a note on that thread. One of the posters wants these videos to be a "100% full on plot and encounters and dialog intact telling a straight forward linear story with minimal video editting". That's exactly what the videos will be. Can't wait to hear what he'll say in a few days.
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awesome Faust. I am also favoriting them as I watch, since I run a gaming network I have some vids up on youtube for my games so when people view my prof, they should also see these.
but I am slightly amazed that up to where Magus enters Dalton's lab is 30 minutes O.o seemed faster on the demo (even with the quests) lol.
oh and +1 to the CE team for a speaking Chrono, they finally re-implanted his tongue <.<
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Hey Faust, could you do some video responses to the vids linking us to them (and in comments section) so we can go from vid to vid more easily?
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Can't wait to hear what he'll say in a few days.
Maybe he'll just switch his attack and claim the C&D a publicity stunt like other people have in the past.
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Fantastic suggestion Happy Dude, I'll work on that.
Geowil, thanks for favoriting. It'd be great to maximize the viewership, if only to prove that the leak is an obsolete beta (practically an alpha).
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I've subscribed to CEMemorial and rated all videos with 5 stars, because they deserved that.
Awesome work, you guys. Awesome work.
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For those who don't have Youtube accounts (and thus can't subscribe to CEMemorial), Agent 12, Chrono'99, ZeaLitY, or myself will update the first post with new video links daily from now on I guess. Two to three vids should go up per day, at the discretion of the core CE team.
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Fantastic suggestion Happy Dude, I'll work on that.
Geowil, thanks for favoriting. It'd be great to maximize the viewership, if only to prove that the leak is an obsolete beta (practically an alpha).
oh, disreguard my Pm then xD
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How come nobody seems worried Square Enix will sue for the leak. Even though it is only 80-90% or whatever instead of 98% done it still violates their copywrite and the C&D to destroy all data right? I don't think they will sue but I thought others were worried about this and how an anonymous leak would be horrible and destroy their lives.
awesome videos I'll watch them every day :D
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In the CE team's defense, this leak made it out of the beta testing pool well before the C&D occurred. Probably before February 19 judging from circumstantial evidence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri-EKngmmrg). That's beyond the CE team's control now, but as long as the real 98% beta that existed on May 8 didn't leak, it should blow over. The CE team did everything in its power to make sure that all known copies were destroyed, and that good faith effort at full compliance should be enough hopefully.
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Waking up on the morning turn out to be usual Chrono cliche' lol
Faust, if you want to maximize the viewership, we could digg it, I could help by favourited and playlist'd the video on my channel, but we need more influential people :(
Good to hear that the video is safe from SE. Update more if have a time.
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In the CE team's defense, this leak made it out of the beta testing pool well before the C&D occurred. Probably before February 19 judging from circumstantial evidence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri-EKngmmrg). That's beyond the CE team's control now, but as long as the real 98% beta that existed on May 8 didn't leak, it should blow over. The CE team did everything in its power to make sure that all known copies were destroyed, and that good faith effort at full compliance should be enough hopefully.
By the way, Faust, What's the name of the music played?
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Hell yeah, That's good news. I was going to do something like this when it was released...
Anyways, I subscribed and gave all 5 stars as well. Awesome, awesome work.
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By the way, Faust, What's the name of the music played?
It's a Sonic 3 boss theme remix.
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odekam, that would be "Scrambled Eggman" by BrainCells and SnappleMan. It was an OCRemix completed for the Sonic 3 and Knuckles "Project Chaos" album. Definitely a great listen.
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All of the diggit, reddit and/or w/e stuff should probably wait until more/all of the vids are out.
Anyways, good to see these go up!
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You guys are brilliant! Can't wait for the next one.
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There is a topic on something awful about this. They think the leak is the 98% version.
Anybody with an account or $10 wanna talk to them about it? (I don't have one)
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3145716
The conversation turned to how much they hate the retranslation quickly
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those were good vids
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There is a topic on something awful about this. They think the leak is the 98% version.
Anybody with an account or $10 wanna talk to them about it? (I don't have one)
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3145716
The conversation turned to how much they hate the retranslation quickly
Yeah, we're 'Woolsey haters' apparently. Hopefully this is being read, 'cause the retranslation was done by Khwazit and Z out of curiosity and a sense of completion. We don't hate Woolsey in the slightest, he did a great job. It's just very interesting looking back and seeing so many differences in the scripts. If anyone could redirect their attention to the first post in this thread and the videos it'd be great.
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If one of those bottom-feeder sites is trashing you, you must be living right...
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I think these videos are going to generate more positive energy in the gaming community than pursuing a hopeless legal battle ever would have. It's a pity that most will never get to play CE, but this is really the best outcome given the circumstances. Again, really good job! I'm really happy to have something worthwhile to watch over the next month.
I've one suggestion on the commentary, though, and that is: When presented with choices (such as Crono's response in video 2 I believe), could you comment on the other possible outcomes?
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So would we have naturally started with Crono/Magus/everyone at level 47 at the beginning? I'd assume we'd get deleveled after a certain point.
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For purposes of the walkthrough we did a New Game +.
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Great videos.
Sorry, I can't leave comments using a webproxy.
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For purposes of the walkthrough we did a New Game +.
Guess it wouldn't have been fun to show you getting your butts kicked or having to level grind XD
But now we don't get any epic boss fights!
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Wait, there's a leak?
Is it bad for me to say, "I MUST HAVE IT?"
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Wait, there's a leak?
Is it bad for me to say, "I MUST HAVE IT?"
No, its a really buggy test version, and nothing like what they're showing on YouTube. (I couldn't contain my curiosity.)
FaustWolf is right, it is practically an alpha, without any polishing and without many customizations (portraits, dialogue, music).
(On a personal note... I remember dying on one of the debug chapters and I was able to move... With the dead bodies.... I think that was the same chapter that had messed up background palettes... Yeah I dunno wtf? :x )
In other words, 98% has not been leaked, is probably destroyed pretty thoroughly (or hidden in some deep dark pit, in some black chest able to survive the ages, to be open in some other time when dreams can finally become reality...). The best out there of 98% CE is on Youtube... And that version is really amazing ;) .
(Btw, I was wondering -- were there any *new* tracks added to the game? Because the preview videos had some really nice music, and I'm curious as to whether or not some new additions were put in?)
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Wait, there's a leak?
Is it bad for me to say, "I MUST HAVE IT?"
Glad you didn't make it.
The spam on 30 May is the event that should be keep secret. sheesh......
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Yes, extremely bad. The terms of the C+D mean that JP and Zeality have to help Square hunt down and kill any copies of the alpha that they find.
Also, JP and Zeality don't want anyone playing the alpha because it reflects badly on the finished project.
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So when will they release Crimson Echoes or when do they think it will be release?
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So when will they release Crimson Echoes or when do they think it will be release?
u dont read very good, do u?
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So when will they release Crimson Echoes or when do they think it will be release?
The day after Duke Nukem Forever comes out.
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I'm definitely subscribing to this channel. Regardless of whether there's a leak or not, it's best to see the closest-to-final product rather than some buggy, incomplete alpha version. Obviously, the CE team feels the same way.
It's a shame I won't be able to play it. I've heard that the game was deliciously hard... but, c'est la vie...
At I can check out the story that you guys have put together.
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I personally loved how difficult the alpha was, but with difficulty rebalancing it would have been accessible, difficulty-wise, to a wider variety of gamers. The Chrono games have always been known to be kind of on the easy side I think. At the end of development CE was shaping up to be very challenging, but not bite-your-controller challenging.
(Btw, I was wondering -- were there any *new* tracks added to the game? Because the preview videos had some really nice music, and I'm curious as to whether or not some new additions were put in?)
I'm not really in the best position to field this one, but from what I understand there were definitely plans to put in new music. Claado Shou (of Chrono Symphonic fame) actually composed some really nice pieces specifically for CE. Sadly, that was a good chunk of the final 2%. However, if you've seen the preview videos and some of my experimental Youtube videos you know that I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE5ZZvwy_bg) like (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnw9KH_WnfI) to do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27C5VJkwsOM) kickass things (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NOyepAPqQ8) with audio. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1TYCJavKWE) So, while I couldn't possibly reprocess 30 odd hours worth of audio, expect some surprises along the way. :D
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That didn't bother me before, but I begin to think: why those NPCs keep marking time?
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I personally loved how difficult the alpha was, but with difficulty rebalancing it would have been accessible, difficulty-wise, to a wider variety of gamers. The Chrono games have always been known to be kind of on the easy side I think. At the end of development CE was shaping up to be very challenging, but not bite-your-controller challenging.
It's been so long since I've last seen footage from CE (the association is something I've forgotten, I was getting massive deja vu as I watched the vids), but I do remember the beast fights being rather tough.
Yeah, I'm very fond of challenge, myself. I'm also one of those who thought (and moreso as time went on) that CT was too easy, so any increase in challenge was welcome to me. :)
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I'll sound like a complete ignoramus in asking, but is there a more technical difference between an alpha and a beta, beyond the simple comparison of a draft?
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Both are incomplete, and both may remain buggy, but the alpha is usually more buggy and less polished. Alphas have a lot of elements not seen in the final or the beta. Like some of the sprites in CT and the concept of the Epoch being a land vehicle.
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We think of it as an alpha because it's in the state it was before beta testing even started, basically. The skeleton and text placeholders were there, but no polish and lacked many of the features implemented during the beta phase.
So yeah, what tea said.
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Then enlighten me, oh Enlightened Ones!
When exactly was the Alpha version released? What are (some of) the features that the Alpha version lacks but the Beta version has?
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What do you guys think of this?:
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/8oeqe/crimson_echoes_98_beta_leaked/?sort=new
Look at (what is, as of the time of this post) the top reply, the guy who said he contacted Square-Enix himself. Do you think he's even telling the truth?
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It was in the comments section of the Youtube videos as well >.>
Which leads me to say that the videos were awesome. Keep 'em coming! It's a pain not being able to play them, but the team's comments came close to making up for it =D
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SuperSlash, I suspect that the person who commented on Youtube, Reddit, and other places may be one of the ones who spam bombed us last night. If so, I don't think his word is worth all that much.
Trustworthy Compendiumites both inside and outside the project team have called. This is real, and the videos should prove that the CE team had nothing to hide and no reason to make this up, and every reason to investigate the veracity of the C&D.
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Spam-bombed? I missed that. =O
I wasn't trying to say you guys were wrong and/or lying, it's just...you know, that small glimmer of pointless hope. >.>
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So how many videos are we getting? :D
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With the alpha now leaked to everyone and his mom, do you think Zeality and JP will issue any statements to the effect that people shouldn't try to finish the game themselves?
I would figure something like that would be self-evident, but you never know if some particularly determined ROM hacker might try to take the alpha and try to fill in the last 10% based on what shows up in the beta vids and just plain guessing.
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Taken from digg
I already told you, man, by e-mail and PM
www.karlsonandkarlson.com
They defended my ass in the case Blizzard Inc. Vs. well... me... Concerning my Diablo 2 item shop (damn me for not being chinese and immune to US lawsuits)
They're specialized in intellectual property. Go to the website, e-mail joseph (preferably, my lawyer) and tell him Frank sent you. Really. Do it.
THIS FALL UNDER FAIR USE OF COPYRIGHT ACT. THIS IS EXACTLY LIKE A FANFICTION (see: fanctiction.net) AND THUS NOT ONLY TOLERATED BUT LEGAL. AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT CLAIM OWNERSHIP OF THE CHARACTERS OR SELL FOR A PROFIT THERE IS NOTHING ILLEGAL IN MAKING A FAN GAME.
PLEASE someone forward this to him - he can use the exact same letter I used on my case. AND IT'S FREE so there is not reason not to do it.
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I missed the spam bomb too. When the sun rose in France, Chrono'99 celebrated with a can of whoopass from what I hear. OVER 9000 alt accounts succumbed, supposedly.
RySenkari, I sure hope that hypothetical modder who tries to finish the alpha has good spriting skills and can figure out how the event and tech code works. With Kajar Labs down, there's a complete lack of advanced reference notes that would otherwise be helpful to such an endeavor.
odber, enough to fill the entire month of June most likely. We're still processing the footage, and part of that process is splitting it up into chunks of appropriate length for Youtube. At 23 chapters and 3 videos per chapter, 70 roughly full-length videos wouldn't be a bad guesstimate.
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RySenkari, I sure hope that hypothetical modder who tries to finish the alpha has good spriting skills and can figure out how the event and tech code works. With Kajar Labs down, there's a complete lack of advanced reference notes that would otherwise be helpful to such an endeavor.
Figured it would be tough, but you know how the internet is. A statement to discourage people from even trying might be a good idea. It's up to them though.
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oh man, these videos make me want to cry.... Which is sad, because I hadn't even heard of Crimson echoes til the day the C&D was recieved.... But damn... I know a good game when I see one, and Crimson Echoes, is looking damn good so far...
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spam bomb? i must have just missed that x.X
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It happened approximately 21 hours ago (as of this post).
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spam bomb? i must have just missed that x.X
...you kinding me right? You were talking to the spammer when it was happening in this very thread!
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oh that LOL sorry i wasn't paying attention posts got deleted thats all i knew lol
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Now I'm confused. :?
As fun as emotional updates are, try not to post them.
~V_Translanka
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So when will they release Crimson Echoes or when do they think it will be release?
u dont read very good, do u?
That was before I read they weren't going to continue Crimson Echoes.
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RySenkari, I sure hope that hypothetical modder who tries to finish the alpha has good spriting skills and can figure out how the event and tech code works. With Kajar Labs down, there's a complete lack of advanced reference notes that would otherwise be helpful to such an endeavor.
If the Alpha got leaked, it's more than likly that the programs used for editing will ride up to the net in a matter of time. Also, Romhacking.net and Zophar's Domain also still has Temporal Flux, GEARS, etc.
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If the Alpha got leaked, it's more than likly that the programs used for editing will ride up to the net in a matter of time. Also, Romhacking.net and Zophar's Domain also still has Temporal Flux, GEARS, etc.
Well, even if they could finish it, I don't think the creators would want them to. That didn't stop anyone from leaking the alpha, of course. Guess if Anonymous finished it up, they might be harder to sue than JP and Zeality would be.
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I think Agent12 and Zeality would be off the hook if anyone leaked it, wouldn't they? I mean, they followed the demands given to them, to the best of their ability. So if someone were to reprogram that last 25% of the Alpha, I'm guessing Agent12 and Zeality would probably have no problem with it.... But what do I know, I'm just a random dude who knows nothing about law ;). Common Sense differs enormously from law xD.
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How much health does Kasmir have jesus christ that guy is hard to beat. Does he have like 50000000000000000000000000000000 HP. Jesus hell.
I have to be at level 10000000000000000 to beat this guy.
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jodas, this isn't the place for gameplay tips on a buggy leak we're trying to get taken off the web in compliance with threat of legal action by a major videogame corporation.
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pffft, come talk to me when god zilla is involved. THEN people will be worried about using the Alpha xD. But yeah, Faust has a point. Not the best thing to be talking about. Especially since the developers never wanted anyone to even SEE that version, let alone play it.
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From what I have read people have called up square-enix and square said that they didn't know anything about a C&D for crimson echoes.
That is weird :lee:
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jodas, this isn't the place for gameplay tips on a buggy leak we're trying to get taken off the web in compliance with threat of legal action by a major videogame corporation.
Not in a million years are you going to get the alpha leak taken off the web. Pulled temporarily from the torrent sites, yeah, though people would probably just put it right back up.
I can see why you have to try, though the effort is pretty much like trying to empty the ocean with a teaspoon.
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From what I have read people have called up square-enix and square said that they didn't know anything about a C&D for crimson echoes.
That is weird :lee:
They confirmed it and said they were going to give a public response. After 2 weeks, they backed out of it.
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what a bunch of gutless assholes Square enix is they know if they do it will be the death of them but seriously i think they never thought it would get this bad for them i just wish u guys weren't within there grasp
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Video 20 is a bit... confusing. The era Marle's in says 1 AD, yet there's reptites around. In 12000 BC the reptites were far extinct. Did father bring them back from the dead?
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Video 20 is a bit... confusing. The era Marle's in says 1 AD, yet there's reptites around. In 12000 BC the reptites were far extinct. Did father bring them back from the dead?
Lavos never crashed, there was never an Ice Age.
EDIT: How's the map guys? That was one of my best accomplishments.
EDIT 2: To anyone who is talking about a leak, please leave. I for one don't want to get sued. And if you think think you're so high and mighty because you think you can take the fall for us and shit, you wont. We'll get sued, end of story.
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But wait a minute, didn't King Zeal acted after Lavos had landed, meaning the Ice Age was on it's way anyway? Or did he went even further back in time after dealing with the heroes and made possible the change?
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But wait a minute, didn't King Zeal acted after Lavos had landed, meaning the Ice Age was on it's way anyway? Or did he went even further back in time after dealing with the heroes and made possible the change?
I believe the Atah Kedesh warp space and time to kill lavos.
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No, Lavos did crash. CE Prehistory is 5 years after the Prehistory of CT.
However, the Frozen Flame flung the Dragon Tooth and the six characters around in time. Marle says several time in her videos that something is messed up in the timeline. All will be explained...in the next batch of vids in fact.
...though if you're familiar with the Greek myth of Cadmus it's somewhat already obvious why the timeline has changed.
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Would the finished product have shown why Ozzie, Flea, and Slash were in the dimensional distortion form Chrono Cross?
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That only happens in NG+.
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Well hopefully agent 12 releases the next batch any time now.
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In about an hour and a half, I think?
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Would the finished product have shown why Ozzie, Flea, and Slash were in the dimensional distortion form Chrono Cross?
Hang on and all will be answered.
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Hopefully, Ayla is put into the party soon. After seeing the new techs that were designed for her, she looks like she could be more useful then she used to be. When I first saw her kid I thought it might end up being leah and then sent into the present somehow.
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Why did king Zeal say he could get Schala back from the DBT when he said no one could ever come back from there when he sent King Guardia there? :?
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Because he's King Zeal.
He can do that. In fact, I'm pretty sure he pulled Schala from there to begin with...
..Or it could be the Plot Hole JP mentioned...
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No, Schala wasn't in the Darkness of Time. That's how the game will end; with her somehow becoming the Time Devourer.
Or at least that's my understanding of it.
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King Zeal is an exceptional case....
it could also be like the stereotypical action movie where the bad guy says you can't save her but the people find some magic way to save her.
--JP
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Uh.... Didn't you guys mentioned King Zeal has the Frozen Flame with him all the time?
If the Frozen Flame could create a portal to DBT because of 'adverse effect' triggered when King Zeal destroyed the 'contraption' (it refer to Aginator or Mammon Machine?), then why King Zeal can't just use the Frozen Flame? Added the fact that Melchior mentioned he has an astonishing magic power that perceive through human upper limit.
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First of all I'd like to say hello to all fans of Chrono Trigger) I am from Russia, so my english is not so good... So... please, don't beat my for my mistakes)))
Maybe my question is for another topic, but why are 3 projects, such as "Crimson Echoes", "Prophet's Guile" and "Time's Illusion", were closed and deleted? If the information that I know is correct, Kajar Laboratories were not to license there projects as it was with "Chrono Resurrection".
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Hmm, so if SE didn't bitch around, we could be playing Crimson Echoes by now?
Now that sucks. :|
I've read on your Facebook page, that it could help if users write that they want to play it or did I understand that wrong?
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Hmm, so if SE didn't bitch around, we could be playing Crimson Echoes by now?
Now that sucks. :|
Well, there's always Flames of Eternity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y). It's not exactly the same as CE, but it's close.
~Post tampered with courtesy of FaustWolf. Sorry Iyellalot, just being safe.
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Hmm, so if SE didn't bitch around, we could be playing Crimson Echoes by now?
Now that sucks. :|
Well, there's always Flames of Eternity. It's not exactly the same as CE, but it's close.
~Post tampered with courtesy of FaustWolf. Sorry Iyellalot, just being safe.
The guy working on it has been taking his time ruining some of the dialogue. He obviously has no clue about proper Old English or good grammar. He just swaps out any time Glenn says the words "was", "is", "no", "you", and "to" with "twas", "tis", "nae", "ye", and "tae". It doesn't work like that. And tried to make agents of Chronopolis talk like Albert Einstein. I can't even translate what they are saying so I have to skip it.
Besides that, putting human Glenn in, and changing the ending, the game isn't very different.