Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion => Topic started by: Romana on May 26, 2009, 12:17:58 pm
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Back to some good ol' hype:
http://www.ffinsider.net/2009/05/26/square-plans-to-announce-three-new-titles-at-e309.php
http://www.gameplayer.com.au/gp_documents/SquareatE3.aspx
[...]word is starting to spread regarding Square's secrets for this year's show. Scuttlebutt is, Square will be revealing not one, not two but THREE un-announced titles this year.
However, that's not the best part - two of these are supposedly sequels to their "bigger franchises".
The sequel part could be just rumour, but hell if there isn't a chance of a new Chrono installment. After CTDS's success and seeing Square's usual method of "make a port of a classic RPG, release a sequel after testing the waters", there's a nice possibility. :kamina
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I agree Pyt, this is likely the the most probable time for a Chrono sequel to be announced. But is it big enough to be considered one of their "bigger" franchises?
Let's see what these fellas have up their sleeves.
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My money would be on another Final Fantasy spinoff or sequel, and another Kingdom Hearts entry. I don't know that they'd consider Chrono to be one of their 'bigger franchises' at this point, seeing as there hasn't been a proper entry in the series for 10 years.
Maybe if the DS version of CT has had real stellar sales compared to some of their other stuff of late, I could see it being the third one. That might actually restore an ounce of respect, as perhaps they didn't want a fangame coming out right before their announcement. Even still though...
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Keep your pants on, it's probably just a new FF, DQ, and KH, their three favorite cashcows.
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FF, DQ & KH already have sequels in the works that have been announced...Well, FF & DQ anyways (there is no numbered KH)...Though I suppose that doesn't say "direct" sequel, I'll still chalk it up as hope, along with their odd C&D timing, for a new Chrono sequel...but then, I always do...
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#1? http://kotaku.com/5211953/square-enix-planning-new-evolved-front-mission
#2? http://darkedensite.blogspot.com/2009/05/square-to-announce-nier-for-2010.html
#3? No idea...
Concerning KH:
Square Enix have already got off to a bad start by announcing that many of their Japanese staff won't be travelling to E3 due to scares about Swine Flu. This includes Tetsuya Nomura and the Kingdom Hearts team, so right off the bat this means that very little will likely be shown about Final Fantasy Versus XIII. It could also rule out the long awaited announcement about the next Kingdom Hearts game; Kingdom Hearts 3.
In any case, keep in mind that nowadays, generally, the first places where we learn about new games are the trademark offices and rating boards, not these gaming shows. I don't think we've seen any SE trademark that looks Chrono-related recently, apart from "Echoes of Time" which turned out to be a Crystal Chronicles game. They could still surprise us with a game called Chrono Trigger 2 or Chrono Cross 2 though, maybe (as they don't need to register new trademarks for these).
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Well, if you believe Wikipedia, Chrono Brake is still registered in Japan.
I don't have any faith at all in them announcing a Chrono game though. After all these years and after what they pulled? Nah, I just can't believe in that anymore.
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I am always up for a new Front Mission game though, still I will do my part and have my fingers crossed for a Chrono game.
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Square Enix have already got off to a bad start by announcing that many of their Japanese staff won't be travelling to E3 due to scares about Swine Flu...
Hamthrax strikes again!
Anywho, I would not be terribly surprised if SE announced a new Chrono game at E3, only to send themselves a C&D letter a month later.
But to be serious, this might mean a new Mana installment. Or another Star Ocean. Unfortunately, Square has a lot popular game franchises to work with, so the info could mean a lot of things.
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Koichi Ishii
was fired left Square Enix one month after the release of Heroes of Mana, so I doubt the Mana series is still considered alive now. But who knows. Tanaka (SoM and SD3 director) could be assigned to revive that series.
EDIT: Found #3. It's the infamous Project Rapture:
http://squaremmo.blogspot.com/2008/12/mmorpg-confirmed-for-e3-2009.html
We still don't know what franchise this MMORPG will be part of...
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FFXIV
Rapture
I'm pretty sure they don't want another front mission to come to America.
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Then it's probably KHIII, as they have been known to be working on that. Seriously, it's just not going to happen. And imagine what it would be like if they announced such a thing. 5/10 of the audience would be like "Where did that come from?", 3/10 will be like "HELL YEAH A NEW CHRONO GAME" and 2/10 would be like "What's Chrono Trigger".
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The are not making a KH3. Nomura said that right now he is just focusing on vs13 and the three KH games that are being made will explain the ending to KH2. There have been no plans to make KH3.
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Actually, I heard that the KH franchise will eventually continue with a KH3. Normura said that the series will end just as it begun: with Sora, in the form of a third KH.
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KH3 has to be done. It's the only way the true ending where they get yet another bottle message from Mickey can be explained. Knights in armor battling years before the events of KH wouldn't explain it. A trip to the past wouldn't explain it. And revisiting Roxas and his days in Organization XIII won't explain it. To not do one would be like having a laser pointer in front of your cat and/or dog and yeah, you let them run around, but you never stop. Never let them catch it.
And I'd consider it one of their bigger franchises. I wouldn't say this before but I see a lot more people saying they love CT ever since it came on the DS, many even going as far as to call it the best game of all time! Ever since the DS version of CT it's become a lot more known now. They just needed to re-release it and make it well known and advertised, which they did not grandly but a decent job this time unlike the PS versions(one had no advertising and was impossible to find and the other just happened to be a "bonus" to a FF game). Not to mention as big as DQ is, it doesn't seem to be one of those series where once everyone's played they continue to cherish it always. Proof? How popular is the one on the Wii? How many people actually knew what it was before VIII? And as for VIII, it was big when it came out but not long after no one had quite as much interest in it. It seemed to be one of those "ooo looks pretty I'm getting it" games that later on collects dust.
Not to mention SE has plenty of smaller games but how many have plenty of games in their series? FF has plenty, KH, DQ, Chrono has made a good number of appearances. None of their other series have had plenty of games made, not even remakes.
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rather interesting but yer i dont really think a Chrono sequel will ever happen with square
good analogy with the laser pointer that is pretty fun lol
i love chrono trigger and would love to see a sequel
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Well, we never thought CTDS.
And while I can't go to the future right now I'm pretty certain KH3 is just like this.
Everyone including the series' own fans are saying "it won't get another true game in it's series" and then later on in the future it comes out. I'd prefer to be a believer since I may seem foolish now, but I can't be wrong unless they never do another game ever again and they outright announce that. On the other hand, non believers CAN be made fools of by saying "It'll never happen" only to have it happen.
There are many games I can bring up that everyone has said would never get more work with it ever again, and then later sure enough when everyone least expected it...
It rose again.
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Unless the creator of said games says so himself, like Mother's. Though I guess they already had their moment when Mother 64 was canceled, with Mother 3 appearing nearly 10 years later.
Still, for the ones that hasn't been said anything about...
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Well, we never thought CTDS.
And while I can't go to the future right now I'm pretty certain KH3 is just like this.
Everyone including the series' own fans are saying "it won't get another true game in it's series" and then later on in the future it comes out. I'd prefer to be a believer since I may seem foolish now, but I can't be wrong unless they never do another game ever again and they outright announce that. On the other hand, non believers CAN be made fools of by saying "It'll never happen" only to have it happen.
There are many games I can bring up that everyone has said would never get more work with it ever again, and then later sure enough when everyone least expected it...
It rose again.
I choose to side with you ONSLAUGHT! If I must I will lay on my deathbed saying "just you wait the next Chrono game will come"...it most likley won't come to that, but just saying I will hold on to my belief!
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From a post on 4chan:
Square-Enix
商願2009-025978 ＦＲＯＮＴ ＭＩＳＳＩＯＮ ＥＶＯＬＶＥＤ
商願2009-026006 光の４戦士 (Hikari no 4 Senshi // 4 Warriors of Light)
Looks like FFI is getting a remake.
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From a post on 4chan:
Square-Enix
商願2009-025978 ＦＲＯＮＴ ＭＩＳＳＩＯＮ ＥＶＯＬＶＥＤ
商願2009-026006 光の４戦士 (Hikari no 4 Senshi // 4 Warriors of Light)
Looks like FFI is getting a remake.
Because we need another one, right?
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The original Famicom FFI has just been released on the Japanese Virtual Console, so I'm not sure this 光の４戦士 is a remake. I wonder what it could be though. Warriors of Light were only in FFI, III, and V... FFV prequel starring Galuf?
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FFV prequel starring Galuf?
That...now that would be interesting.
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As interesting that it will be, Galuf and company were the Warriors of Dawn, not Light. I don't think it will be FFV related.
I could be wrong, though.
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Is it noteworthy or not that they used the number rather than the character for the number? FFV already has a spin-off! JUMP OVER IT AND RIGHT INTO FFVI DS NAO~!
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Could be anything... Recently SE has been really prone to develop games that have suspiciously-familiar titles but are not related to previous franchises. For instance Blood of Bahamut has nothing to do with the classic Bahamut Lagoon, and Vanguard Storm despite being set in Ivalice has nothing to do with Vagrant Story...
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Considering Warrior of Light became his own character in Dissidia, and (BIG DISSIDIA SPOILERS AHOY) Dissidia is a prequel to FFI (albeit WoL lost his memories) and expanded on the concept of not just Garland becoming Chaos, but it turns out this is an endless cycle of people becoming Chaos and repeating it. Plus there's the whole thing about Cid of the Lufaine not being seen in FFI (he's apparently Chaos at some point and also Garland's father). Garland has a big (and rather disturbing) backstory now so there's a lot to cover. It'd be interesting to see what's done with a remake. So, considering Dissidia's success and involvement, it's very likely an FFI remake.
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WHY WOULD YOU WANT ANOTHER CHRONO GAME, I THOUGHT THEY WRAPPED UP EVERYTHING PERFECTLY WITH THE ADDED DS CONTENT
Anyway, I wouldn't get my hopes up. CTDS came out of left field, so I figure if there is another Chrono game or remake, it'll come when we least expect it.
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Rapture confirmed:
http://www.gameplayer.com.au/gp_documents/SquareE3Update.aspx
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WHY WOULD YOU WANT ANOTHER CHRONO GAME, I THOUGHT THEY WRAPPED UP EVERYTHING PERFECTLY WITH THE ADDED DS CONTENT
Anyway, I wouldn't get my hopes up. CTDS came out of left field, so I figure if there is another Chrono game or remake, it'll come when we least expect it.
Thank you, just what I said.
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I'm surprised.
We know two of them.
1. Rapture
They said they would talk about it at this E3.
2. This game (may be front mission after all this is the reason everyone thinks its front mission[even though the last two were complete failures in sales in the US and Europe])
http://na.square-enix.com/mystery/
They said it will be "declassified at E3"
3. I'm betting on FFXIV
It could be a chrono game. It wont be KH3. Nomura is busy up the butt! He just finished XIII and ACC, plus he is still doing FFXIII agito and VERSUS. Not to mention 3rd Birthday, Birth by Sleep, and 358/2 days. If anything else it's the other THREE FFXIII games that have not been announced. Yes there are 3 more in the Fabula Crystallis Nova, most known is Haressies which still isn't announced.
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Did they even ever release Front Mission 2089: Border of Madness outside of Japan? I thought that looked awesome...
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I really am not sure if this is true, but I've heard it often enough from enough people to think there must be some credibility...
Didn't SE say they weren't going to do any more straight-up FF games any more? (not including CC of CD or whatnot) So, it very well COULD be another Chrono game...!
One must always hope...
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I really am not sure if this is true, but I've heard it often enough from enough people to think there must be some credibility...
Didn't SE say they weren't going to do any more straight-up FF games any more? (not including CC of CD or whatnot) So, it very well COULD be another Chrono game...!
One must always hope...
Yeah... that's a lie. Um, it's mainly a rumor, but people are just surprised that a series can run for 13 games (not including spinoffs and sequels), especially a RPG series as complex as FF. They just don't understand how many different minds, ideas, and skills are put into these games.
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My latest OXM talked about Front Mission BTW.
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I know my main point is the third one.
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I really am not sure if this is true, but I've heard it often enough from enough people to think there must be some credibility...
Didn't SE say they weren't going to do any more straight-up FF games any more? (not including CC of CD or whatnot) So, it very well COULD be another Chrono game...!
One must always hope...
Yeah... that's a lie. Um, it's mainly a rumor, but people are just surprised that a series can run for 13 games (not including spinoffs and sequels), especially a RPG series as complex as FF. They just don't understand how many different minds, ideas, and skills are put into these games.
Kitase mentioned FFXIV and FFXV in an offhand comment in his recent interview (http://uk.psp.ign.com/articles/980/980589p2.html), which proves that the series (obviously) won't stop at XIII. And yeah, there are lots of different designers that have worked on the series. It's not like they're made by the same teams everytime. Nowadays many FFs are actually developed by fans of the original FFs rather than the original teams (which do still supervise them, at least for those that are still at SE). For instance FFIII:DS, FFIV:DS, Dissidia, etc. Considering this, it's a shame SE doesn't have a more open mind concerning their other fans-developers...
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I love that interview! It expresses interest in FFIX, my favorite! Maybe we will get something, unlike the other fans who get everything!
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Dont get your hopes up, some of the SE Japan members arent even coming to E3 because of, you guessed it, a swine flu scare.
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They said there will be three. They are jerk, but the stick to their word. To the letter unfortunately.
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Swine flu isn't exactly fun. I understand their choice.
They said there will be three. They are jerk, but the stick to their word. To the letter unfortunately.
I don't think everyone working at SE is a jerk. Although for Japanese people they are sure being impolite. I hate to sterotype a group as I am sure there are plenty of rude Japanese people, but isn't being polite one of those things that Japanese Businessmen (and maybe women I mean I don't know who works for SquareEnix) are supposed to do. It's disgraceful of them to promise an answer and then just back out. (The C&D thing doesn't bug me nearly as much as that. I mean if they felt a C&D was in their legal rights, and it may well be regardless of what we think/feel, such a disgraceful act is unforgivable. Although me being me I will forgive them someday as it wasn't a personal attack on me)
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I somehow doubt the main Japanese branch even knows this happened. The stink is too much American over-reactionary legal politics.
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I somehow doubt the main Japanese branch even knows this happened. The stink is too much American over-reactionary legal politics.
You have a point. I mean the Japanese often come off as alittle more accepting of fan things like Dōjinshi and such. They consider it free advertisement. Although A full length game may have been seen as to muh for them to just turn a blind eye to. On the other hand I agree, reeks of American branch over reaction.
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So Rapture turned out to be FFXIV. Then we still have two more games, one is Neir and the other is that classified game which might be Front Mission, although they said they didn't want another FM in the west so it's all tomorrow.
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Front Mission Evolved: The third person shooter developed by Double Helix Games.
SE Armored Core...? Did Double Helix do the rest of the FMs? They sound familiar to me anyways...
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So Rapture turned out to be FFXIV.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363766
Development Staff
Producer: Hiromichi Tanaka (FINAL FANTASY I, II, III, XI)
Director: Nobuaki Komoto (FINAL FANTASY IX, XI)
Art Director: Akihiko Yoshida (Vagrant Story(R), FINAL FANTASY XII)
Music: Nobuo Uematsu of SMILE PLEASE (FINAL FANTASY series)
Holy shit. Everything about this game sounds awesome...apart from the fact that it's an MMO. Why did it have to be an MMO? :( I wonder who's writing the story...
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The Front Mission games were made by Square Enix Production Team 6.
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Okay, I guess Double Helix is a combination of two companyies...One of them did Marc Echo's Getting Up: Contents Under Pressure *groan* while the other put out Earthworm Jim and MDK!! I still have no idea what that could mean for a 3rd Person Front Mission game...I'll stick with SE Armored Core for now...
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One'll be a FF4 sequel for Wii, as mentioned on IGN.
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That was previously announced. It was on the SE site for like a month and a half now. Its front mission/that classified game and something else.
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SE are such sell-outs.
Look! FFXIV! Before we even finished XIII! Don't worry, because there will be an announcement for FFXV in the instruction booklet to Dragon Quest X!
Chrono what?
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Sadly that's not the first time something like this happens. Back in 2000 Square had announced FFIX, X and XI all at the same time, completely out of the blue.
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EXACTLY what we need, another friggin Final Fantasy game. What's that now including spin-off's, 20+? Jees, you think they would have milked it enough by 7 and then out comes 7 more games and a butt load more of spin-offs and other random sequels pertaining to other FF games. This is getting ridiculously over done.
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They're a corporation, the fan-base is huge, and apparently releasing new Final Fantasy games over and over again is a process that "works". I'm not sure why we're surprised about this announcement though: Rapture pretty much looked like a Final Fantasy from the start, we expected an announcement related to Rapture, and Final Fantasy is one of their most profitable series.
Honestly, this isn't too terrible: did anyone want Rapture to be the next Chrono game? And did anyone really think that the next Final Fantasy wouldn't be announced? Sure XIV is a bit much, but didn't we see this coming?
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I don't see why everyone is being so pissy. FF is what kept the company alive. Why hate on it. Because of it we have the Chrono series. And it would be foolish not to talk about XVI. It's going to be 4 years before its release, it should be in development now! That way people don't have to wait 6 or 7 years until its release. XIII was announced a couple of months before the American release of XII. IX, X, and XI were all announced at the same time and its a good thing. Frankly with this being an MMO I hope they announce FFXV at TGS. So did you really think a Chrono Game would be announced? the best you could hope for would be a Cross remake soon.
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IX, X and XI were probably all announced because they all had separate development teams. I too don't see why there would be hate for the FF series..."Sellout" is an especially overused term that really doesn't make sense at all..."OMG! They're putting out MORE things everyone's going to buy! Dang them and their big business logic! Just another example of THE MAN trying to give us more of what we WANT! What's up with that?" But I will end with...
ROW ROW, FIGHT THE POWER~!
Just for the sake of confusion.
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... This is what the crimson echoes videos are for =D.
Anyway, I agree, make those announcements soon so we can see them soon rather than later.
I don't think XIV will take to long to make considering it will be an MMORPG.
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Just another example of THE MAN trying to give us more of what we WANT!
Here's the thing, I don't want another action adventure game billed as an RPG. I want a fucking RPG.
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Sadly there's really no decent RPG's that have many unique qualities left. I think one of the very last RPG games that actually HAD some originality was Golden Sun.
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Sadly there's really no decent RPG's that have many unique qualities left. I think one of the very last RPG games that actually HAD some originality was Golden Sun.
You forgetting TWEWY(The World End with You), although it heavily based on pop/rap culture and Tokyo life, it has interesting and innovative gameplay that DS can achieved so far.I wonder if TWEWY's gameplay is compatible for Wii remote. That is it if you actually not accounting action based RPG as RPG like nightmare said.
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I remember when Square announced FFIX, FFX, and FFXI all at once. The initial spread had only one photo from each game: FFIX showed Zidane and friends at the crashed airship site in the forest, FFX showed Tidus at a temple, and I don't remember what it showed for FFXI... So the announcement of FFXIV doesn't really surprise me.
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Sadly there's really no decent RPG's that have many unique qualities left. I think one of the very last RPG games that actually HAD some originality was Golden Sun.
I think the Heaven Dept. series (Riviera, Yggdra Union and the currently only in Japan Knights In the Nightmare) has done a fantastic job at keeping the genre fresh and fun.
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so what of the 3 mystery games have been announced?
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Sadly there's really no decent RPG's that have many unique qualities left. I think one of the very last RPG games that actually HAD some originality was Golden Sun.
I think the Heaven Dept. series (Riviera, Yggdra Union and the currently only in Japan Knights In the Nightmare) has done a fantastic job at keeping the genre fresh and fun.
I think ATLUS games are still unique. Shin Megami Tensei games are my personal fav. (I think I would die of happiness if every game was imported over to the US, even the first one Megami Tensei from way back in 1987) Give me Shin Megami Tensei over Final Fantasy, Golden Sun, hell even Chrono Trigger...although it hurts me to say taht as Chrono Trigger is still one of my fave games of all time, just not number one. I'll admit at first glace it seems like the games are repetive, btu nothing could be further from the truth (although it really depends on what you value more...story or gameplay...if game play then SOME of them arn't for you) but when you play 'em its liek AWESOME!
Then agian MegaTen has been arond for so long...so it doesn't count...
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I enjoy a classical RPG, one that could never be forgotten. Not the fad of today that is the action RPG. And I think FF does an excellent job of being original with each title. I mean sure there are things in it that have been constantly reused, but variety of FF is impressive.
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Dang them and their big business logic! Just another example of THE MAN trying to give us more of what we WANT! What's up with that?"
Ah, but what people buy isn't what they want. People want amazing, genre defining games. They buy FF. Only a little doublethink is required in the process.
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Dang them and their big business logic! Just another example of THE MAN trying to give us more of what we WANT! What's up with that?"
Ah, but what people buy isn't what they want. People want amazing, genre defining games. They buy FF. Only a little doublethink is required in the process.
...Johnny?
Ah-heh. Anyway, this is true. We WANT some awesome experience that will somehow impact our gaming life...so we buy what we feel, or have heard will give us the closest possible equivalent to that 'defining moment.'
Well, I've played a few of those 'defining' games...they're really not that popular in the gaming community, but w/e. Star Fox Adventures, Klonoa 2, Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath...and, yes, CT...these games, I feel, come close to what I envision a game SHOULD be like. It's what I hoped for when I bought them.
This is what games should be like. Square is not delivering. Shame, SE, shame.
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Back to some good ol' hype:
http://www.ffinsider.net/2009/05/26/square-plans-to-announce-three-new-titles-at-e309.php
http://www.gameplayer.com.au/gp_documents/SquareatE3.aspx
[...]word is starting to spread regarding Square's secrets for this year's show. Scuttlebutt is, Square will be revealing not one, not two but THREE un-announced titles this year.
However, that's not the best part - two of these are supposedly sequels to their "bigger franchises".
The sequel part could be just rumour, but hell if there isn't a chance of a new Chrono installment. After CTDS's success and seeing Square's usual method of "make a port of a classic RPG, release a sequel after testing the waters", there's a nice possibility. :kamina
Hope is still upon us, dear god let us pray one of those sequels are for the Chrono series.. one of the few Square Enix games I adore because they are just getting ridiculous in their FF franchise. (Just a personal opinion, I think this new FF14 they are making is stupid because we already have a MMORPG for that series, yet they are making a second?)
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...Johnny?
The go-bot guest star of CT or someone else?
Well, I've played a few of those 'defining' games...they're really not that popular in the gaming community, but w/e.
If it is any comfort, it is the same way with books. LOTR, for example, was an under appreciated cult classic for years. It, however, has stood the test of time while many of the "great" books of that era have been forgotten.