Rumor 2: "These modders were taking donations from fans, and just ran away with the money."
Do you see a Paypal button anywhere on the Chrono Compendium? No? I assure you, the CE team did not receive a penny for its work. This was a non-profit fan project, powered only by sheer love for the Chrono series.
Rumor 1: "Crimson Echoes was a piece of vaporware. The modders made this C&D up because they knew they would never finish something so ambitious!"This sounds like the most reasonable one...
In its current state of 98% complete, can the game be beaten? If so, I look forward to an entire series of videos featuring the entire game.
We are unaware of any copy protection placed on Chrono Trigger SNES, at least in the sense that the ROM might try to sabotage itself during the backup process (format shifting the game from an SNES cart to a ROM). Such copy protection did exist in Chrono Trigger: DS -- in that case, people who made backups of their game discovered that the game would freeze in an emulator at certain points -- but Crimson Echoes had absolutely nothing to do with CT:DS.
As for whether format shifting itself is considered fair use, Guru of Life Emeritus Geiger reminded us of what's stated in the Electronic Frontier Foundation's Fair Use FAQ:
What's been recognized as fair use?
Courts have previously found that a use was fair where the use of the copyrighted work was socially beneficial. In particular, U.S. courts have recognized the following fair uses: criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, research and parodies.
In addition, in 1984 the Supreme Court held that time-shifting (for example, private, non-commercial home taping of television programs with a VCR to permit later viewing) is fair use. (Sony Corporation of America v. Universal City Studios, 464 U.S. 417 (1984, S.C.)
Although the legal basis is not completely settled, many lawyers believe that the following (and many other uses) are also fair uses:
Space-shifting or format-shifting - that is, taking content you own in one format and putting it into another format, for personal, non-commercial use. For instance, "ripping" an audio CD (that is, making an MP3-format version of an audio CD that you already own) is considered fair use by many lawyers, based on the 1984 Betamax decision and the 1999 Rio MP3 player decision (RIAA v. Diamond Multimedia, 180 F. 3d 1072, 1079, 9th Circ. 1999.)
Making a personal back-up copy of content you own - for instance, burning a copy of an audio CD you own.
Not trying to push you all or anything, but what is the approximate percentage chance of Square winning the case that you would need before saying "you don't have a leg to stand on, we're releasing Crimson Echoes anyway"? Would it absolutely have to be 0%, or could it be as high as 1%? I'd think that even a 1% chance of your lives being financially ruined is still too much of a risk to take (I know I wouldn't get on an airplane if I knew there was a 1% chance of it crashing).I don't know that it'd necessarily have to be 0%, but it would definitely have to be less than 1%.
Not trying to push you all or anything, but what is the approximate percentage chance of Square winning the case that you would need before saying "you don't have a leg to stand on, we're releasing Crimson Echoes anyway"? Would it absolutely have to be 0%, or could it be as high as 1%? I'd think that even a 1% chance of your lives being financially ruined is still too much of a risk to take (I know I wouldn't get on an airplane if I knew there was a 1% chance of it crashing).
And again, even if it was 0%, there's still the factor of your lives being disrupted by fighting the thing. Just another example of how the current copyright/legal system is built to screw the little guy over. :(
Hey... did you guys know about this? http://savecrimsonechoes.com/phpPETITION/index.phphttp://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,7432.0.html
CE starts with a disclaimer that it is not canon, but rather a form of fan fiction.
You know, I wonder if uploading footage would be such a good idea for everyone in the long run... I mean, in a way I think it would be better if we knew nothing. If we see footage, it will make us want to play the game that much more, making us more depressed if anything.
What he said.You know, I wonder if uploading footage would be such a good idea for everyone in the long run... I mean, in a way I think it would be better if we knew nothing. If we see footage, it will make us want to play the game that much more, making us more depressed if anything.
No one's going to force you to watch it. ;)
Believe me, I had to have some very painful conversations with long-time friends to prove to myself that this was not some kind of inside job
somthing tells me that wouldnt be an issue with longtime friends unless somthing was severely fishy. And very very lame.Listen, I had a personal stake in this because, as tangentially involved in Crimson Echoes as I was, that's still where quite a bit of my free time this semester went. Not to mention, a lot of fans had their hopes pinned on the prospect of a well-done spiritual sequel to Chrono Trigger. If there was the slightest chance of this being some kind of advertising ploy, I wanted to know, and I felt truth was worth getting at, even at the cost of potentially offending my cohorts. And that was effing painful, because the one person I thought could possibly have had the intelligence and fortitude to carry out something like that is the one who welcomed me into this community with open arms and made me feel like I could actually do something magnanimous with my skillset.
Well theres certainly no ~good~ reason.If you really want to know if this is legit, then for fuck's sake, call the number--SE has confirmed the C&D. A ton of people have pointed to the "broken" email as "proof" that there's some conspiracy going on, but not enough of 'em have called the number. Once you get patched through, ask about the C&D, if you get something contrary to what the admins have gotten, then post it.
And for passer-bys, also send a message to ahsjfhagjhsjdhgsjgh@square-enix.com and notice you get the exact same message back as the supposed email this came from (but was since deleted).
Well theres certainly no ~good~ reason.
And for passer-bys, also send a message to ahsjfhagjhsjdhgsjgh@square-enix.com and notice you get the exact same message back as the supposed email this came from (but was since deleted).
Oh if it makes you feel better il come back and comment on any further developments, whether im wrong or not. I wish the project the best; but it just doesnt all add up yet (if square really wrote that, its a poor C&D).
I've left messages and am trying to get a word from square too. But all we can do is wait.
Oh oh, and to clarify, i was never one of the "doubters" who thought the project didnt exist or wasnt really close to completion. I simply doubt the C&D, and am not sure why it would be hoaxed. My preferred thought is that its still going to be released at the planned date and this was a (poorly conceived) plan to drum up interest in the final few weeks (and other projects have done this as well).
But will just have to wait till things clear up.
Just ran it in SNES9X, it is the Japanese version. Damn, I guess CE was made to be applied to an English ROM, huh?A CT psx CD also contains a snes ROM, doesn't it? It seems including a snes rom is a quite common method they used in a psx remake, maybe they used the rom as a bank to store those variants, so they did't need to code another one.
999 Sepulveda Blvd. Third Floor
El Segundo, CA 90245
That's the American Customer Warranty address...
Shinjuku Bunka Quint Bldg. 3-22-7 Yoyogi, Shibuya-ku
Tokyo 151-8544, Japan
That's an address I found on their business profile (http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/108/108316.html).
A letter writing campaign is a good idea, but it might not be as feasible: it can become costly, and may need some serious regulating.
I'm in full support of a letter writing campaign. Hand written letters, painstakingly scrawled out on simple lined notebook paper, pleading with SE to change their minds... that invokes emotion, but it also seems highly unprofessional. Yet millions of papers, formally addressed, neatly typed in Times New Roman 12 pt., block formating... that seems hollow. And like it could be robotic.
What about a non-rom hack fan project right now? :wink:Years of dedication, here we come!
I don't have anything finished but I definitely have ideas and ways to go around copyright (renaming small things and making new sprites and music). Who wants to start one?
What about a non-rom hack fan project right now? :wink:Years of dedication, here we come!
I don't have anything finished but I definitely have ideas and ways to go around copyright (renaming small things and making new sprites and music). Who wants to start one?
What about a non-rom hack fan project right now? :wink:
I don't have anything finished but I definitely have ideas and ways to go around copyright (renaming small things and making new sprites and music). Who wants to start one?
Perhaps SE should take a page from Bethesda Studios and Lion head by providing or at least allow modding of their games by fans who aren't looking for profit.
So in the politest way I can, I am going to say, please contribute to a possible solution (honestly anything plausible could potentially help us in the long run) or just say nothing at all.
Here's a solution to hit SE where it hurts: Boycott all their games from now on and let them know you're boycotting their games, especially FFXIII and FFvsXIII. Get enough people writing in to SE that they aren't going to buy any SE games anymore, especially FF, and SE will listen.
Now that I take a look at all the facts and the legal theories that are actually out there, I would agree. However, the case:
M. Kramer Manufacturing Company, Inc. v. Andrews (1986)
Would be all that stands against the Compendium. I'm trying to find the language right now in a law database, because it's not easily accessible like Nintendo vs. Galoob. I wonder, now, whether Kramer v. Andrews wouldn't be overturned by Nintendo v. Galoob.
Just found Kramer vs. Andrews (1986). (http://cases.justia.com/us-court-of-appeals/F2/783/421/41759/)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand of that case, the defendant was modding Kramer's game into something very different but still consisting of the raw materials Kramer provided -- and then replicating and selling the product.
Had Andrews sent a magic monkey to mod all of Kramer's coin-op machines into the new game, and not profited from it, would Kramer have had a case? I tend to think not.
Yeah, had Yoichi Wada actually played Crimson Echoes, I think there's a serious chance he would have just co-opted the project. It was that good.
Faust, don't give up yet. If you ever need $20 donations to pay for legal costs then I think you can get lots of people to chip in.
In the meantime, who's up for some Hungry Hungry Hippos?OOOH OOOh I am!
Rumor 4: "These modders were going to distribute hacked ROMs."Uh... so this is something that generally confuses me about fan mods. It seems to me releasing a hacked ROM would be the more ethical thing to do than releasing a patch. Releasing a patch both condones and encourages people to find and d/l an illegal copy of the game. A hacked ROM would only allow people to play your fan work. I think. Unless I am misunderstanding something about how hacking works, and how easy it would be for someone to convert it back to the original game. Of course, this is also only my view from an ethical standpoint... I have no idea which is more illegal. :P
Members of the wider fan modding community will no doubt appreciate the nuance in this accusation. There exists a strict code of honor amongst modders according to which modifications must *never* be distributed as ROMs. Crimson Echoes, like Prophet's Guile before it, would have been distributed as a Lunar IPS patch. Within modding culture this is the acceptable way of going about it, and a plethora of SNES-era mods, first translations, and retranslations have made their way onto the Internet in that form. You will very rarely find a fan modder who distributes full ROMs with the modifications in place, and such modders deserve a proper spanking.
Yeah, had Yoichi Wada actually played Crimson Echoes, I think there's a serious chance he would have just co-opted the project. It was that good.
Hey hey, how do you play Hungry Hungry Hippos ?I have hazy memories of this from my 1980s childhood. Something along the lines of tossing a bunch of ball-bearing sized...food...thingies...in the middle of a board, and then everyone in the game pounds their fists on plastic hippopotami attached to the board, goading his or her hippopotamus to gobble up the little ball thingies.
(actually, maybe they should wait for a response patiently and do all the talking stuff first)This is best. Approaching news organizations with a statement direct from Square in addition to the C&D would help us get our foot in the door. Square being forced to issue a statement by the negative backlash would be extremely newsworthy I imagine, and emphasize fan power.
Releasing a patch is still and always will be the best thing to do IMHO, SilentP. I'm sure there's been back-and-forth on this point early in the fan modding community's history, and patching ultimately won out.Ah. I figured these kinds of issues must have been considered at some point by the community, but I never really understood the reasoning behind that decision (I, probably understandably, forgot about the people who actually make legal backups of their snes games, rofl). So, thanks for clarifying that. :P
The reason is, it is in everyone's power to create a backup of a game that he or she owns. Granted, it's much more difficult to complete a format shift of a cartridge-based game than a CD or DVD-based game (you need special hardware for data transfer), but the modding community leaves it up to the end user's honor to own a copy of the original game being modded. To release a pre-patched ROM is ultimately engaging in piracy of at least a portion of the original work; to release a patch involves no distribution of the IP holder's source code whatsoever, only instruction sets to modify that source code.
However, because of the fact that I'm sure 99.9% of people who would d/l this patch would have obtained a CT ROM illegally...
I also am in the .01%. I literally grew up playing CT since before I could read. I own it on both the snes and ps1. If I owned a DS I would own it on that to. Yeah the cartridges may fail but the machine works still 0_o.I can't believe that Belthasar wasn't already taken.
I have CTDS, that make it illegal?
Look, I paid big bucks for Chrono Trigger back in the days of the SNES. And I bought a Nintendo DS just for Chrono Trigger DS (which was a huge letdown, in all honesty). So by my logic, I have all the reason in the world to have a ROM of Chrono Trigger. Legally, morally, etc.What he said.
LONG LIVE THE CHRONO TRIGGER!
Look, I paid big bucks for Chrono Trigger back in the days of the SNES. And I bought a Nintendo DS just for Chrono Trigger DS (which was a huge letdown, in all honesty). So by my logic, I have all the reason in the world to have a ROM of Chrono Trigger. Legally, morally, etc.What he said.
LONG LIVE THE CHRONO TRIGGER!
Not all hope is lost until there's an official response that we can use to judge SE's attitude post-fallout. They've gotta say something eventually.
Yeah, had Yoichi Wada actually played Crimson Echoes, I think there's a serious chance he would have just co-opted the project. It was that good... I'm not familiar with that name, though I take it he was one of Chrono Trigger's Developers?
My SNES and REAL copy of Chrono Trigger still works along with all my older consoles and games (Though I still had to download a copy for emu use <_< lol I could never afford a Copier they aren't cheep :( )However, because of the fact that I'm sure 99.9% of people who would d/l this patch would have obtained a CT ROM illegally...
I'm in the 0.1% lol. I assumed a long time ago that my SNES would fail...the ironic part is, its still chugging along while nearly every system since then has failed at some time or other. They don't build things like they used to, I guess. Though on second thought, the NES requires occasional cartridge CPR.
I believe Yoichi Wada is the president of Square Enix.oh O_O!!
I already said I am up for Hungry Hungry Hippos!!
I choose the Blue Hippo!
:lee:
Huh... I swear there was a blue one in the game I owned... but the video the Guru of Time Emeritus shows there is no Blue Hippo =(
Well... I guess I choose Green Hippo then :)
It isn't his game, though. It is SE's. That would be like saying it is perfectly legal for him to spend company money on personal vacations because, hey, it's his money.
I already said I am up for Hungry Hungry Hippos!!
I choose the Blue Hippo!
:lee:
Huh... I swear there was a blue one in the game I owned... but the video the Guru of Time Emeritus shows there is no Blue Hippo =(
Well... I guess I choose Green Hippo then :)
(http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/ha/hasbro-mb-games-hungry-hungry-hippos.jpg)
Don't worry. You're not going crazy.
Edit: And if you're gonna be green, I call dibs on blue!
*Takes bucket of red paint and paints pink hippo red*
Mmmkay, let's go =D
*Takes bucket of red paint and paints pink hippo red*
Mmmkay, let's go =D
I would have done it and gladly have been pink, I mean pink is just a light shade of red so I don't see what the big deal is. ^.^
But either way isn't this post getting alittle off topic.
Your right.....*Takes bucket of red paint and paints pink hippo red*
Mmmkay, let's go =D
I would have done it and gladly have been pink, I mean pink is just a light shade of red so I don't see what the big deal is. ^.^
But either way isn't this post getting alittle off topic.
Everything fades. It'll be pink again some day.
And no, Hungry Hungry Hippos was actually very engulfing, to say the least. That is the Truth, and therefor, on topic.
I'm kind of curious. From the community at large, is anyone here LESS likely to buy an SE game as a result of this kind of behavior?Me at least for some time <_< Not that I can afford it anyway.
I'm kind of curious. From the community at large, is anyone here LESS likely to buy an SE game as a result of this kind of behavior?
This just confirms that the great company that made Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, and so many other masterpieces is long gone. Its all about money now. They used to put actual effort into creating epic tales, and they actually listened to their fans. Now its just one bucket of sour milk after another from their aging Final Fantasy cash cow. They basically punched the entire Chrono fanbase in the gut with this one. I'll never buy a Square-Enix game again.See the C&D: Director's Reponse, we have reason to believe SquareEnix was sent an E-mail telling them that the group responisble was planning on chargeing for the game...a lie of course, but the fact remains. Now that the wheels have already turned it will be difficult to convince them to allow CE to go onward, btu we have to try.
I'm kind of curious. From the community at large, is anyone here LESS likely to buy an SE game as a result of this kind of behavior?
I'm kind of curious. From the community at large, is anyone here LESS likely to buy an SE game as a result of this kind of behavior?This guy. Right here. Almost bought the new FF3 and 4 and either Dragonquest 4 or 5 for the DS yesterday, instead I went for the Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, the Resident Evil remake, and the Megaman X collection for the Gamecube/Wii. I buy a bunch of games at once when I buy games, and SE could have retained some loyalty, but fuck em, I don't care about em any more. I'm done.
First, I read through this thread and I noticed a few inconsistencies with what's being said here. As far as I can tell, the game code has been "destroyed." Even if it wasn't really destroyed and actually is archived somewhere, any "negotiation" with Square would be an admission of guilt, because the game's code no longer officially exists. There is no way that this project will ever see the light of day again even if both sides want it to go on, because someone would have to admit guilt.
I'm sorry to say that I do think this is an act of cowardice, even though everyone says it isn't. Whoever wrote the first line of code should have decided to either follow the project through to the end, or to not start at all.I'm starting to understand why the long-established members of this community are getting pissy with at lot of us newcomers. Stuff like this is SO easy to say. It's obvious he's formed an opinion without reading up on everything the team has said, but BOY HOWDY, he sure knows the way they SHOULD HAVE handled it. Hat's off to you, internet tough guy. :roll:
Finally, why didn't anyone think of offering to sell the game to Square when the letter was received? They might have been willing to pay a hefty sum for all that work. Everyone would have won - the company gets a great game to put out on the virtual consoles, the contributors make money, and the game gets lots of players.Another case of not bother to read. A lot of people have already suggested this. Lo and behold, someone DID think of it. Indeed, the modders themselves thought of this! Except they went one step further:
We made it very clear in our replies that SE could have the rom hack, for absolutely nothing in return. And that it would be beneficial for everyone involved if we worked together.
Well, if they get a big cash settlement, they'd garnish the CE guys' wages for the rest of their life until they paid it off. Either that or they'd have to declare bankruptcy, which financially ruins your credit rating for the rest of your life.I wasn't aware you were planning on dying in the next 7-10 years. (I'm pretty sure it's "your credit is hosed until the bankruptcy rolls off, which is 7 years later".)
Thing is, it's $150,000 per infringement. What counts as an infringement? The patch over all, or each and every single copy of the patch that makes it into people's hands?This is so not going to reassure you, but I think it depends on the judge and, for that matter, on what SE's lawyers would decide.
I honestly don't know.
Yeah, if someone thinks it's so easy to go ahead and release Crimson Echoes and fight any potential lawsuits that follow suit, I say, by all means, take Crimson Echoes and release it yourself. You can shoulder that responsibility and fight it yourself (legal fees and court costs included).
Thing is, it's $150,000 per infringement. What counts as an infringement? The patch over all, or each and every single copy of the patch that makes it into people's hands?
I honestly don't know.
There is no illegal content hosted on Zophar's Domain. Files such as emulators, hacks, utilities and other programs that can be used to modify or use copyrighted content themselves are not illegal, and although it is a wet dream for the departments of some companies, they never will be illegal.
The emulation scene and this site has been alive for over a decade, and we will forever be here.
If you wish to contact us due to any concerns, please use the contact form or post in the forums.
Once it is released there is nothing square or the courts can do to delete or forbid it from the Internet. Prophet's guile is still hosted on romhacking.net and zophar and a bunch of other sites. I wonder why Square isn't C&Ding them for that and all the other romhacks on their sites. Doesn't seem fair
...Soooo, yeah. That probably has something to do with why we're taking leaks so seriously and banning people even for toying around and posting false leaks.
A software engineer I know makes $68,000/yr, far more than anyone should reasonably makeYour opinion of what people should "reasonably" make depresses me.
Phelph, I must point out something wrong with your Prophet's Guile example. Sure, Prophet's Guile is still out there, but that's not what we're dealing with. Prophet's Guile was already released onto the internet, and once it's out there, there ain't nothing no one can do about it. They simply asked us to remove Prophet's Guile from our site. Which we did.
Now, Crimson Echoes is incomplete. It hasn't been distributed to anyone outside of the producers and the beta team. Square Enix asked us to destroy Crimson Echoes, and we followed with there demands. If a copy of CE were to be leaked, ultimately it would come from the beta team, who got it from JP and Z. So then they get hit with the fines.
We can't just say they don't care. That's giving up. This is our dream. We have done so much to see it come to fruition, and we came so far. We are EVERYWHERE. Digg. Reddit. Facebook. G4. EVERYWHERE. Pretty soon they'll catch on, hopefully, and maybe make a statement.
Show them what radical dreamers are all about!
Actually, I suggest you all try to contact as much games magazines as you know and pass this news over to them. Give them the facts though, make sure there are no misunderstandings.The deadline is coming up, if we wait too long then its no longer news. Issues are for June will be out in two-three weeks. In all honesty we should get Agent12 to write a general letter then send it of to all major magazines, with in a week. Most have a contact for new, hot stories, or sudden developments.
There is always the "Ms. Pacman" route. Has anyone pursued handing Square the finished product and allow full rights for them to sell it, no strings attached? At this point, after so much work, distribution is really the issue.They already tried to offer it up to them, but I don't think SE accepted it.
Realistically-speaking, mainline distribution would place the game in far more hands--especially if it made it to xbox live or virtual console.
Perhaps Square Enix thinks the Chrono Trigger engine from the SNES is outdated, as compared to the touch screen features in CT:DS, and they don't want people to think CT is downgrading. Perhaps they're too lazy to port it over to the DS.
Perhaps Square Enix thinks the Chrono Trigger engine from the SNES is outdated, as compared to the touch screen features in CT:DS, and they don't want people to think CT is downgrading. Perhaps they're too lazy to port it over to the DS.
What about the Megaman 9 route? Could it be possible that they could take the idea and release it for WiiWare?
as a preface, I am not suggesting anything.
that said, I believe that this action by SE legal was probably mostly to kill the hype, the word of mouth, the knowledge of the game to the mass market, and also to discourage game modification to the mass market. They don't want the vast majority of gamers to know about this and they certainly don't want more gamers creating content off of their IPs.
As you can see if a project is fairly low key then it gets no attention but when it is making headlines then it is a problem to them, gamers everywhere know about it and therefore they have to address it.
I would say that (and I'm not SUGGESTING it, just speculating) if this hack, or one much like it, were to come out a year or two from now, with no fanfare or publicity, then it would be completely ignored, if it was released to the fans of chrono compendium and other romhacking sites and spread modestly through word of mouth by those people on message boards, IRC, instant message and talking and phoning among friends then it would be ignored like so many other major rom hacks.
the main problem with this was the mainstream visibility, and I don't think it's that out of the question to say that if the same project was released much later, or another project done, that it would be ignored.
Thoughts?
I'm not trying to suggest any action, nor insult anyone, merely thinking about what made this different, I mean there have been many very in depth long hacks done before such as Metroid Redesign and Zelda Parallel Worlds but they had no C&D, I think it is when something is publicized that it really gets into deep water.
Had it been released without any marketing, the entire release would have occurred smoothly. And there probably wouldn't have been any post-release problems...
However... What's done is done, so there's no point making "what if" or "had we just..." statements.
Now we face tomorrow. We face the beautiful future.
Had it been released without any marketing, the entire release would have occurred smoothly. And there probably wouldn't have been any post-release problems...
Hopefully, because we're keeping Crimson Echoes generally under wraps, they won't kill it. We don't advertise it greatly on the front page. We... elude to it. I guess. I dunno.
But at the time, was there a lot of fanfare?
The "problem" may have been that the advertisements were just too high quality.
CE was literally the highest-quality product ever to have arisen from videogame modding culture.
But here's an odd thing: during the viral advertisement run, CE was never described as a "ROM hack." Of course ROMhacking.net frequenters would already know what it was, but I think the CE team was going for a mysterious impression. People could have mistaken it for an ambitious Flash or RPGMaker project until it was actually released.
I disagree on Boo's last part of his comment, our future is unpredictable, we may even see the fall of compendium.I know I am a mere newbie, but I have to say I disagree with this. There is certainly more to the Compendium than CE; I actually joined here after the "CE Debacle" and had no idea of the game's existence. It had no motivation in my reason for joining. I'm sure the release of CE was a major factor for excitement and a highlight of the forum, but the Compendium certainly stands strong without it. It offers a lot of things for Chrono fans; I joined here to read plot analysis and to get a firmer grasp on my understanding of the Chrono series. Also, just to be around other Chrono fans who understood my little obsession and could discuss things related to it. :) I really don't think this place is going anywhere... also, you never know, the "Day of Lavos" here on the forums might just have a happy ending!
I disagree on Boo's last part of his comment, our future is unpredictable, we may even see the fall of compendium.I know I am a mere newbie, but I have to say I disagree with this. There is certainly more to the Compendium than CE; I actually joined here after the "CE Debacle" and had no idea of the game's existence. It had no motivation in my reason for joining. I'm sure the release of CE was a major factor for excitement and a highlight of the forum, but the Compendium certainly stands strong without it. It offers a lot of things for Chrono fans; I joined here to read plot analysis and to get a firmer grasp on my understanding of the Chrono series. Also, just to be around other Chrono fans who understood my little obsession and could discuss things related to it. :) I really don't think this place is going anywhere... also, you never know, the "Day of Lavos" here on the forums might just have a happy ending!
The only people who are leaving are people who felt sore about the whole situation...or people who were whiners that somehow felt they were personally affronted by it. The Compendium did not start out as a ROM hacking community and it will do just fine if it never is one again. If you think it'll die, then you're not SoY~!! The C&D is a shame, for certain, but the people who weren't even working on it need to STFU, get off their asses and contribute to the community. Don't LET this dampen your spirits! Create a webcomic. Make some fanart. Hell, write a fanfic. It doesn't have to be epic, but if you channel w/e emotions you have into something artistic, I don't think you can ever really go wrong...Just letting it brew and shaking your fist at the machine does nothing. DO SOMETHING POSITIVE~!!!
Bekkler: Sometimes the paths we start at, while different, can lead to the same places.
You'll get some news sometime tomorrow.
You'll get some news sometime tomorrow.
Some news means good news..... right?
I've been sayin something along those line for awhile. People are takin' this way to personally.
QuoteI've been sayin something along those line for awhile. People are takin' this way to personally.
Sure, I can see how that is, but you also need to understand, some people worship this game (that being CT) and so far, anytime someone has tried to improve it, or make a new plot from it, it gets shot down.
I hate to say it, but that just sounds like incredibly narrow-minded talk. Do you honestly think that CTRP, CT:R and CT:CE are the only Chrono projects in existence? The only things that matter? What? Like said, it may have been great, but it was only one. It is not the be-all, end-all of all Chrono fandom and people need to stop thinking like it is.
QuoteI've been sayin something along those line for awhile. People are takin' this way to personally.
Sure, I can see how that is, but you also need to understand, some people worship this game (that being CT) and so far, anytime someone has tried to improve it, or make a new plot from it, it gets shot down.
I hate to say it, but that just sounds like incredibly narrow-minded talk. Do you honestly think that CTRP, CT:R and CT:CE are the only Chrono projects in existence? The only things that matter? What? Like said, it may have been great, but it was only one. It is not the be-all, end-all of all Chrono fandom and people need to stop thinking like it is.
I hate to say it, but that just sounds like incredibly narrow-minded talk. Do you honestly think that CTRP, CT:R and CT:CE are the only Chrono projects in existence? The only things that matter? What? Like said, it may have been great, but it was only one. It is not the be-all, end-all of all Chrono fandom and people need to stop thinking like it is.
Agreed, though I think this is important on a larger scale because of the implications for other fan projects, at least by looking at the effect this has had already on other Chrono fan game projects across the web.
Or do as some people have suggested on a lot of posts around the interwebs and release the game anyway, but do it through channels that will keep it hush hush.
CE was literally the highest-quality product ever to have arisen from videogame modding culture.
You'll get some news sometime tomorrow.Your post was at midnight... So does that mean tomorrow as in today? Or tomorrow as in thursday? Also phelph, if Faust wants to make this pain worse by explaining how amazing CE was now that it will never be released, its his right to xD. Besides... He's watching you.... Be afraid.....
CE was literally the highest-quality product ever to have arisen from videogame modding culture.
Ouch, yeah have a slice of humble pie. Firstly i dont think somthing counts has having "arisen" if it was never released. Secondly, theres a wealth of very professional fan mods out there. DotA for one, or a more relevant example is Kingsquest 9(who received their own C&D from vivendi universal). Point is, this wasnt something the culture has never seen and completely awe-shook people with preview clips of sprites from the original game with some sprinklings of inserted text. Im looking forward to seeing these full playthrough videos.
Ouch, yeah have a slice of humble pie.First off, I was not a member of the core CE team; the CE team merely requested my services for some post-production work, and I've also played through the game from beginning to end three times while recording footage/beta testing. As little more than a propsective end-user of the product, I am under no obligation to be humble about something I did not create.
I've also played through the game from beginning to end three times while recording footage/beta testing.
I'm more jealous of you right now than I am of Jessica Alba's boyfriend.Since (CE x 3) = approx. 80 hours of Chrono goodness that paid proper homage to canon, each playthrough a bit more interesting than the last thanks to new tweaks and additions, this is probably justified. Not absolutely justified...just probably.
I hate to say it, but that just sounds like incredibly narrow-minded talk. Do you honestly think that CTRP, CT:R and CT:CE are the only Chrono projects in existence? The only things that matter? What? Like said, it may have been great, but it was only one. It is not the be-all, end-all of all Chrono fandom and people need to stop thinking like it is.
Do you honestly think that CTRP, CT:R and CT:CE are the only Chrono projects in existence?
Chrono Symphonic: I have little, if any, interest in fan music.
Audio Drama: Sounds somewhat interesting. Where can I find it?