Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion => Topic started by: Dark3mx on May 12, 2009, 08:02:22 pm
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I am planning on writing a petition for SE to show how much their fans want this sequel to be released, The petition is almost done, all i need is for ZeaLitY to give me the thumbs up for the Compendium to be the sponsor.
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I voted yes but I don't think it would help. There needs to be a formal ban on Square Enix products and merchandise or something. Like with a localized focus and an official mission statement.
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I will sign, I think we need to let square know tho that we are extremely displeased by this, and if our petition is not at least considered, we are boycotting SE products.
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Someone on digg contacted me saying they bought the domain savecrimsonechoes.com and he plans on putting a petition on there. Since that name is....pretty perfect we will probably direct people there if they want to sign a petition.
Has a petition ever worked though......ever?
--JP
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I don't think we need to boycott their stuff (not that I've bought anything by Square in a while), but I wouldn't mind signing a petition. But I doubt they'll take online petitions seriously, gimme a physical petition and I'll sign the hell out of it.
Go ahead and make it though.
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there is no domain name/server/url period called savecrimsonechoes.com
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I doubt you'll get the compendium to sponsor it, considering that one of the founding principles was :
6. The site will not support fan petitions1
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even for such a big ordeal?
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Here is their reasoning:
¹ - Some fans may be shocked at first with this proposal. After all, if we're fans of the series, why wouldn't we want another game by petioning? Fan petitions fail to spread a positive image of the fan community -- they are in fact detrimental. There are many ways to indicate interest in a new game, but "petitioning" to "demand" a new game, or a remake, makes us out to be a bunch of infantile, rabid fans biting at the heels of Square Enix. Worse yet, such fans are usually too picky to bite when they finally get what they want. We don't even know what negative connotations consumers petitioning would have when carried over in translation. So if you're in charge of such a fan petition project, don't ask the Compendium to help with your publicity. If you really want influence in the company, start buying shares.
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:picardno time to think....
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I am the one who registered savecrimsonechoes.com
the DNS will fully propagate by tomorrow morning. I plan on collecting as much data as possible for fans to use to contact SE about this injustice. I will be compiling everything I can to help this whole thing. This includes a petition that anyone will be able to sign and comment on.
If you can help me write an official petition statement of what us fans think I will use it. I have some rough drafts but need a little help.
If you have anything to contribute to the site as well, please email admin@savecrimsonechoes.com
The whole point of the site is to raise awareness on what square is doing and how it is a large corporation that has loyal fans they are alienating. There is no financial gain from this and as a longtime SE and RPG fan I am outraged over their actions and feel they are flexing their muscles against the little guy. This is a tribute to CT and Square. It is a form of flattery. This is art. It deserves to be shared.
-AO
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If someone can help AO make a nice sounding statement for the petition that would help.
one paragraph should suffice.
--JP
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Why stop with a petition then? We might as well have everyone who would sign the petition send emails to various Square Enix emails in an attempt to appeal for the series. Although we'd really have no way to regulate what they say...and things could get inflammatory fast...
You know what, nix my email idea. I just want to bombard SE with evidence of the mounds of support we have. ROM hackers and Chrono fans are all voicing their annoyance for the most part, think of how much louder it would be if it was a collective scream...although it'd probably just fall on deaf ears.
BLAH.
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that's the idea of a savecrimsonechoes.com
I'll have a section for comments, etc. I'm making a one-stop place for the CT fans to gather and express their feelings about all this.
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Has anyone seen the digg website? The comments are awesome. There's so much dissatisfaction with Square Enix throughout the comments. Some of them are over the top and malicious, others are grounded and quite phenomenal. I think we need to collect some of these quotes and present them to Square Enix to let them see and hear how dissatisfied us - their customers - truly are. They need to know. They need to realize the damage they have done.
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I will be surely going through digg and getting the best comments...any help would be appreciated
admin@savecrimsonechoes.com send all you can to that address..
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yea i've been trying to answer questions on the digg webiste all day (i'm CEAgent12 in case you couldn't guess :) )
Hm......we need someone good with words and PR, i'm going to push FW over here to help make the paragraph.
--JP
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Okay, since the G4 idea is taken care of I assume, I'll help whip up something for this. Do we want something that sounds really formal? Any really well-written fan petitions I could look at as an example? I''ll also do some quick research on this.
Taking a wild guess, might it start out with: We, the undersigned... ?
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I had trouble registering the domain, my host dropped the ball somehow. I have a support ticket submitted right now, hopefully this can be solved ASAP.
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I had trouble registering the domain, my host dropped the ball somehow. I have a support ticket submitted right now, hopefully this can be solved ASAP.
SE probably sent them a C&D with respect to the domain name. :picardno
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it's possible, i have still no response from my hosting reseller and they pride themselves on 24/7 support and quick response time..
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Whoa, can SE do that? Like, is there a way of checking domain names in process and hitting them with terms-of-service violations or something!?
Well, assuming it's just a flub, I was thinking that for maximum impact we could write the petition to the effect that all the undersigned pledge not to purchase another Square Enix game for any system until either a new official Chrono game is announced, or Square Enix lifts the C&D on Crimson Echoes. It's the rise of consumer-controlled content! Whodathunk?
But what's everyone else's thoughts?
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I like this FW.
It is most definitely a flub by my hosting company, savecrimsonechoes.com will be up very soon, I'll keep you up to date on when it goes live.
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Okay, let us know and we'll whip something up.
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Ok savecrimsonechoes.com is up and I'm working on getting the petition up right now...
I just need a professional sounding statement to put on it from you guys...i can now be reached at admin@savecrimsonechoes.com
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Did you have anything particular in mind musick? I'll post something akin to what I suggested above where the Compendium admins can all see it, but PM one of us if you had some particular language in mind and didn't want to post it right here for any reason.
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All the undersigned pledge not to purchase another Square Enix game for any system until either a new official Chrono game is announced, or Square Enix lifts the C&D on Crimson Echoes. It's the rise of consumer-controlled content!
I like this but are we boycotting? Fine with me but I want a general consensus from u guys..
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Only my original suggestion for the basic point. We can use whatever language the fan community wishes to see.
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Ok, and I asked Agent12 to work me up a banner for SaveCrimsonEchoes and I need to get something soon if possible.. Any art that I can use will help. I will start making my own which will slow me down a bit until I see some posted.
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Would it be a bad idea to include some of Square's contact information and urge members to call? Or are we worried about possible inflammatory remarks being considered condoned by us or something?
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We need to have this spread out to the Japanese and Spanish community. Also, bombard all of the Final Fantasy fan sites who don't despise the Chrono series.
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savecrimsonechoes.com will be a central location with all squares contacts, etc and explained what happened....
the petition is just one section of the site.
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Ok this is all I'm going to do until I get art that i can use for the design of the site.
There is a very crude working petition up right now
I need some language from the fanbase...
I will integrate it much better in due time, right now it's a edited script at the very minimum just to get it live. I just need fan art banners, etc to make this look better. I can work on art myself but I just don't have time at the moment.
admin@savecrimsonechoes.com
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I'd rather you not post the site's url in every other post. I'm sure we all know where to go by now.
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no problem, I'm a bit OCD, I apologize.
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It's alright. Just try to refrain from posting the url and email as best as you can.
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wow, You know, I don't think it will work... But I'll admit there is a chance. If I was given some footage of the game I could probably make some kind of music video for the site. Because, music videos get everybody pumped up.
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that would be awesome...anything I can get to fill this site out would be appreciated.
The petition is up, I still need some actual language for it rather than just the description, and after that I'll get to work on the rest of the site.
Thanks for all your help.
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musick, looking good! I'll whip up a quick paragraph and post it here; probably best if the petition language flows smoothly from what you've already got there, so it would be one paragraph between your description and the "sign petition" form. I think?
If anyone else wants to do a little writeup too, the more the merrier. We can always combine our powahs.
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I was the second one to sign it. I'm glad to see that the numbers of people who've signed has increased since then.
Needless self importance; I made the banner up top. ^_^
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And #8 to sign the petition! I hope this will give CE a chance
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You would be happy to know that I am #10 to sign.
Did someone Digg, Reddit, and 4chan this? Oh, be sure to include the site in a reply to the already existing threads on the respective sites ;) .
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WOOOO CANADIAN PRIDE!!!! (Only canadian on petition as of yet.)
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Here's what I'll submit as an initial suggestion for the petition's language:
We, the undersigned Chrono fans, have hungered for official new material in the franchise for a decade. The re-release of Chrono Trigger on the Nintendo DS in 2008 gave us hope of future entries in the series, but since its release we have received no further indication of Square Enix's interest in continuing the franchise.
Absent an official addition to the Chrono series, fans have speculated upon the possible resolutions and continuances of an intellectual property that has captured their imaginations and inspired new artistic dreams. The Chrono fan community has realized its dreams through entire volumes of fan fiction, fan art, interactive Flash projects, and even games created with the popular RPGMaker game engine. We feel that our right to interpret and enjoy the discontinued Chrono franchise should also extend to modification of the Super Nintendo game we lawfully purchased while it was still in circulation. We acknowledge no financial harm to the intellectual property holder in the release of a modification to backups of the legally purchased Super Nintendo game, and therefore ready ourselves to defend our right through our power as consumers.
We, the undersigned, pledge to boycott the purchase of Square Enix games released after May 8, 2009, for all platforms, until such time as Square Enix either rescinds its Cease and Desist against Crimson Echoes and SNES-era modification or announces its official intention to continue its Chrono franchise and provide fans the resolutions they seek.
Yeah, three times as long as I originally planned. Plus, I'm wondering whether any of it sounds tacky or unclear. Comments? Edits?
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Sounds good -- I'll sign.
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Is it really such a good idea to demand Square makes a sequel? I know that's what everyone wants, but no one will be pleased if the developer only made the game because they were forced to, not because they held a passion for it. It might be best just to leave it at lifting the C&D.
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zephira is right thats y i do not want a petition
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The language edited according to Zephira's suggestion might appear thus:
We, the undersigned Chrono fans, have hungered for official new material in the franchise for a decade. The re-release of Chrono Trigger on the Nintendo DS in 2008 gave us hope of future entries in the series, but since its release we have received no further indication of Square Enix's interest in continuing the franchise.
Absent an official addition to the Chrono series, fans have speculated upon the possible resolutions and continuances of an intellectual property that has captured their imaginations and inspired new artistic dreams. The Chrono fan community has realized its dreams through entire volumes of fan fiction, fan art, interactive Flash projects, and even games created with the popular RPGMaker game engine. We feel that our right to interpret and enjoy the discontinued Chrono franchise should also extend to modification of the Super Nintendo game we lawfully purchased while it was still in circulation. We acknowledge no financial harm to the intellectual property holder in the release of a modification to backups of the legally purchased Super Nintendo game, and therefore ready ourselves to defend our right through our power as consumers.
We, the undersigned, pledge to boycott the purchase of Square Enix games released after May 8, 2009, for all platforms, until such time as Square Enix rescinds its Cease and Desist against Crimson Echoes and SNES-era modification.
Edit there was in the "action" paragraph. I wanted to retain the fact(?) that the Chrono fan community was inspired to do this because we've been neglected as fans and consumers.
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We, the undersigned Chrono fans, have hungered for official new material in the franchise for a decade. The re-release of Chrono Trigger on the Nintendo DS in 2008 gave us hope of future entries in the series, but since its release we have received no further indication of Square Enix's interest in continuing the franchise.
Absent an official addition to the Chrono series, fans have speculated upon the possible resolutions and continuances of an intellectual property that has captured their imaginations and inspired new artistic dreams. The Chrono fan community has realized its dreams through entire volumes of fan fiction, fan art, interactive Flash projects, and even games created with the popular RPGMaker game engine. We feel that our right to interpret and enjoy the discontinued Chrono franchise should also extend to modification of the Super Nintendo game we lawfully purchased while it was still in circulation. We acknowledge no financial harm to the intellectual property holder in the release of a modification to backups of the legally purchased Super Nintendo game, and therefore ready ourselves to defend our right through our power as consumers.
We, the undersigned, pledge to boycott the purchase of Square Enix games released after May 8, 2009, for all platforms, until such time as Square Enix rescinds its Cease and Desist against Crimson Echoes and SNES-era modification.
Well said. Chrono Trigger DS was actually the first Square Enix game I bought... After the Final Fantasy Chronicles (with the Chrono Trigger remake, loved the animations, disappointed at run speeds)... I don't need anymore Square Enix unless they appreciate us... And stop milking us like people who drone in the room just to get the game for the sake of getting it...
I'm spreading the word. I've got 5+ people signed already. Facebook status is Save Crimson Echoes!! Twitter, Digg, Reddit, 4chan, internet community this. Please!!
EDIT:: edited accordingly to the updated post. And I'm just saying, this needs to spread around; have the threads on the sites been updated?
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Search "Crimson Echoes" on Digg, Happy. You should see one started by ZeaLitY that has 1600+ Diggs. However, I'm not sure whether it's better to focus everyone's Diggs into one story or spread them out amongst different stories.
Again, until I get further notice of wished-for edits, the latest language is here. (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,7432.msg161126.html#msg161126)
I agree with Zephira that the "Hey, let's put Yoichi Wada's balls to the wall here and give him an ultimatum to announce a new Chrono game or else!" approach was a bit too open-ended/superfluous. What we're fighting for here is our right as fans to modify and re-interpret intellectual property we legally purchase, the language in Galoob vs. Nintendo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galoob_v._Nintendo) a major inspiration. Thanks to Mav and TheGary for pointing that case out, I think that's a superb precedent here:
"Having paid Nintendo a fair return, the consumer may experiment with the product and create new variations of play, for personal enjoyment, without creating a derivative work."
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Then again E3 is in a month. We would look like giant ass dick douche bags if they have been planning Brake to be announced at E3 this summer. My suggestion is at least to wait until after E3. I say E3 because America is the better market for the Chrono series we bought Cross and the Trigger more than jap did, so they might announce it here first.
Our image should be the most important thing here. We need to make Square look like the Lavos of this situation. Not we are FATE and they are the Dragon God.
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Actually, I would add something about our desire to see CE despite the fact that there could be another Chrono game down the road. They are unrelated; CE has been because of the absence of the Chrono games, but even if, we should still be entitled to the right to have "what if" type scenario's.
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Language-wise, Zephira + Boo (which might best be addressed by removing the sequel language entirely) =
The Chrono fan community has long speculated upon the possible resolutions and continuations of an intellectual property that captured their imaginations and inspired new artistic dreams. They have realized their dreams through entire volumes of fan fiction, fan art, interactive Flash projects, and even games created with the popular RPGMaker game engine.
We, the undersigned Chrono fans, feel that our right to interpret and enjoy the Chrono franchise should also extend to modification of the Super Nintendo game we lawfully purchased while it was still in circulation. We acknowledge no financial harm to the intellectual property holder in the release of a modification to backups of the legally purchased Super Nintendo game, and therefore ready ourselves to defend our right through our power as consumers. We feel our position is bolstered in the following language issued by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals of the United States in Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc., vs. Nintendo of America, Inc. (1992):
"Having paid Nintendo a fair return, the consumer may experiment with the product and create new variations of play, for personal enjoyment, without creating a derivative work."
We, the undersigned, pledge to boycott the purchase of Square Enix games released after May 8, 2009, for all platforms, until such time as Square Enix rescinds its Cease and Desist against Crimson Echoes and SNES-era game modification.
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http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/05/square-enix-kills-near-complete-chrono-trigger-fan-project/#comments
Someone should email that tier 4 schooled joke of an in-house counsel at Square Enix and tell them about laches as detailed in USC 17 507(b). Furthermore, my understanding is that the 9th circuit has been pretty liberal in their application of laches *within* the 3 year period. They could likely form a strong defense under 1201(f) for the DMCA portion. Too bad the fans aren’t rich.
This sounds important... May it be of some use?
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Certainly worth pointing out. Not necessarily in a petition (which is why I may end up removing the Glaoob vs. Nintendo language), but it is of interest.
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NICE.
Suck it, Square Enix.
I think I'm gonna go register at Digg.com just so I can Digg it and then leave a nasty comment. I'll make sure they know that Boo the Gentleman Caller is officially boycotting all future Square Enix titles. However, I will also make note that I will continue to buy any Chrono related product out of pure devotion to the franchise (with or without Crimson Echoes).
You know, I think Crimson Echoes will actually help Square Enix make money off the franchise. It's sort of free advertising... And they don't have to consider it canon or anything...
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Exactly. CE even begins with a disclaimer that it's an unofficial fan product.
SE isn't giving up its IP by dropping its C&D. It's merely allowing fans to do what they want with property that they've legally purchased.
...Oh God, I sould like a conservative.
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You know, I think Crimson Echoes will actually help Square Enix make money off the franchise. It's sort of free advertising... And they don't have to consider it canon or anything...
Heh, it's interesting: with regards to copyright infringement, there's something called "positive harm". Although the name is a bit strange, it basically means that the new work will cause an increased interest in the original work, mostly financially, but it could also just be a general interest. Although it's really a benefit in disguise, it's called "harm" because it comes about from using a copyrighted work without consent. That is undoubtedly what SE would get out of a release of CE.
Oh, and the petition looks good, are you guys publicizing it heavily?
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I'll let ZeaLitY, Ramsus, and JP decide on how heavily the petition should be publicized, especially given the Compendium's statement on fan petitions.
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Does SE of America even have any authority? Honestly, I wonder if they could even consider such an idea without consulting the Jap headquarters, which will most likely not even take a first glance at the project.
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Sounds stupid to me. I suppose I would sign it, hell, I might even sign it more than once, but I so strongly believe in the 4th option (why was it closed?) that I might not. I've gotta go with the official Compendium stance on this one...Just makes the community sound petty. I'm of the people who thinks the Chrono community just needs to get over all of this and move on to the next thing, whether that's with the Compendium or at some new hub (though again, a hub...probably not the best idea).
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The next thing? Square nixed even research on the ROM image. This is way bigger than just CE...
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If there's a petition I don't mind signing it, but I'm sure it's not going to accomplish anything.
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I just want to build a site informing SE that many people are upset about this.
The petition is just to gather names. I will fill out the site with contact info, etc soon. It may not affect anything whatsoever but I want to make out feelings known.
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The next thing? Square nixed even research on the ROM image. This is way bigger than just CE...
The site started out as a freakin thread over at OCR. When that thread split off into the actual Chrono Compendium it was just about game discussion & analysis. Fan creations became a part of the community after a while and with that ROM hacking. Just because ROM hacking is gone from the site, that doesn't mean 1) that ROM hacking somehow disappears, nor 2) that the "next thing" can't be something other than a ROM hack. There are other things people could be contributing (again, even outside of the Compendium) than whining about how they didn't get to play this particular ROM hack. Sad, but true.
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(though again, a hub...probably not the best idea).
Unless you put a cap on it! :lol:
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Well, for what it's worth, I'll sign in my capacity as a Chrono fan at the very least. The latest petition language is here. (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,7432.msg161139.html#msg161139)
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The next thing? Square nixed even research on the ROM image. This is way bigger than just CE...
There are other things people could be contributing (again, even outside of the Compendium) than whining about how they didn't get to play this particular ROM hack. Sad, but true.
I'm glad you feel that way. I don't look it as whining though. I see it as a large corporation bullying a fan into submission and I don't agree with it. It's wrong and I'm merely letting our voice be heard. We have to protect our art.
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I see it as a large corporation bullying a fan into submission and I don't agree with it.
That's exactly it though! Look SE already has a boycott on it due to the horrible games it's been making, no one wants them. Whats worse, they two things coming out that our community will either break our boycott to buy or doesn't even care about. FF:ACC, which will sell to FF7 fanbois everywhere, and of course April next year FFXIII, the most anticipated RPG for about four years. This boycott won't mean anything to them because they are so powerful. They are bullying us, and they know it (at least the American branch knows). Get over one million people to sign it, and maybe we will get their attention, but otherwise they'll just laugh.
Basically, with FFXIII coming out in japan in December and in the west in April, this boycott means nothing to them and it has some horrible timing.
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Do we want to have language that isn't a boycott? But what force would the petition have in that case?
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I'm not sure. I mean, perhaps we're signing solely to show our discontent with Square's decision, regarding CE?
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wasn't the main point of this petition merely to gain a gathering of fans? I mean, the compendium doesn't even agree with Petitions, as they seem petty. I think Threatening a boy cott is the most petty thing we could put on it. so, our petition won't have much force behind it, other than showing ENIX (yeah that's right I'm starting a trend :P) that there is a large following for the Chrono Series. I mean, wasn't that the main point of the compendium to begin with?
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You can have the boycott if you really feel, but they most likely would look at it in a negative point of view. They will not care if you do. Especially if it is this close to FFXIII. The only way I think this will do anything is if you can either get an incredible amount of Signatures (like one million) or you get a moderate amount (in the thousands like 2000 or 3000) and send it the Japanese head. SE of America isn't even trusted with making games, thats why they bought Edios. SE of America will bring it down and wont care. We need to save our image and ruin theirs. I don't think a boycott will do anything but make us look bad. Honestly, if we really wanted publicity the law suit would be the best option, but it's a stupid option. I say the best thing for us right now is getting a segment on attack of the show, and i don't mean a small segment I want a large 5-10 minute segment. Reason being, G4 tends to do a lot of interviews at E3, even with the Jap reps. If we can get them to really focus on us maybe we can this known DIRECTLY to Yoichi Wada's face in their interview this E3. We all know how money grubby the guy is. He is the reason for the downfall/series of FF7. Give him the next the series to expand. To me thats our best bet. Also get this on Gamespot. It's still not there or on 1up, at least not that I have seen. The pen is mightier than the flaming sword, flaming bag of dog poop, words, and in this case a boycott.
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wasn't the main point of this petition merely to gain a gathering of fans? I mean, the compendium doesn't even agree with Petitions, as they seem petty. I think Threatening a boy cott is the most petty thing we could put on it. so, our petition won't have much force behind it, other than showing ENIX (yeah that's right I'm starting a trend :P) that there is a large following for the Chrono Series. I mean, wasn't that the main point of the compendium to begin with?
This is correct.
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I view the petition as sort of a sidebar of the whole point of the website. It's more of a centralized place to store everything that has happened. It's actually turning out really really nice (i just check today). While I'm not sure that the petition will necessarily get SE shaking in it's boots I don't think it'll have a negative impact.
I do think the compendium officially supporting it could sort of hurt our negotiations with SE, but unofficially I say full steam ahead!
--JP
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From: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=fuT&as_q=crimson+echoes&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=w&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images (advance search crimson echoes with past week parameter)
(Some stories aren't completely sympathetic-- but I think its mostly because they were uninformed/ did not do strong research...)
http://www.gossipgamers.com/chrono-fan-game-crimson-echoes-shutdown-by-square-enix-lawyers/ -- another news article (well, I think its a blog post, but it still stands, right?)
http://www.pressthebuttons.com/2009/05/fanproduced-chrono-trigger-sequel-slain-by-squareenix.html
http://www.ripten.com/2009/05/11/chrono-trigger-fan-mod-receives-cease-and-desist-letter-from-square-enix/
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/press-released/6073-Imitation-is-the-Sincerest-Form
http://limitbreak.gameriot.com/blogs/Limit-Break/Chrono-Trigger-Crimson-Echoes-Director-Responds-to-the-CD/1
http://washedupgamer.com/?tag=crimson-echoes
http://raficus.blogspot.com/2009/05/crimson-echoes.html
http://www.n4g.com/ClickOut.aspx?ObjID=326250
http://gamerlimit.com/2009/05/chrono-trigger-fan-project-given-cease-and-decist/
http://geeks.pirillo.com/profiles/blogs/square-enix-delivers-cease-amp
(here's another site where stories gather: http://gamerblips.dailyradar.com/story/crimson_echoes/ )
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more links
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The language edited according to Zephira's suggestion might appear thus:
We, the undersigned Chrono fans, have hungered for official new material in the franchise for a decade. The re-release of Chrono Trigger on the Nintendo DS in 2008 gave us hope of future entries in the series, but since its release we have received no further indication of Square Enix's interest in continuing the franchise.
Absent an official addition to the Chrono series, fans have speculated upon the possible resolutions and continuances of an intellectual property that has captured their imaginations and inspired new artistic dreams. The Chrono fan community has realized its dreams through entire volumes of fan fiction, fan art, interactive Flash projects, and even games created with the popular RPGMaker game engine. We feel that our right to interpret and enjoy the discontinued Chrono franchise should also extend to modification of the Super Nintendo game we lawfully purchased while it was still in circulation. We acknowledge no financial harm to the intellectual property holder in the release of a modification to backups of the legally purchased Super Nintendo game, and therefore ready ourselves to defend our right through our power as consumers.
We, the undersigned, pledge to boycott the purchase of Square Enix games released after May 8, 2009, for all platforms, until such time as Square Enix rescinds its Cease and Desist against Crimson Echoes and SNES-era modification.
Edit there was in the "action" paragraph. I wanted to retain the fact(?) that the Chrono fan community was inspired to do this because we've been neglected as fans and consumers.
Wow very nicely written.
Time to Smack SE in the Face.
I absolutely Love Chrono Trigger, and the Final Fantasy's (4&6 were my favorite aside form 7 and a few others).
I actually still own a Functioning SNES and a REAL Copy of Chrono Trigger, and when Chrono Cross was scheduled to be released.
I PRE-Reserved and PAID in FULL for it at the time of reserve. AND I still have the receipt in perfect condition. :)
EDITED:
oh O_o this appears to be my first post.
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I think there's a consensus building that the petition shouldn't be a boycott though...
Maybe the petition should just say: "Sign here if you abhor Square Enix's treatment of Chrono fan projects." ?
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I think it should be more along the lines of:
We the undersigned have signed this petition as a way to gather all fans of the series, in an attempt to show Square-Enix just how large the fan base is. Our hope is to gather enough signatures to acquire attention from SE, thus at the very least getting a public response to the C&D.
Something like that... Except maybe a little longer... Also Better written.
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I think there's a consensus building that the petition shouldn't be a boycott though...
Maybe the petition should just say: "Sign here if you abhor Square Enix's treatment of Chrono fan projects." ?
Maybe not O_o
I think it should be more along the lines of:
We the undersigned have signed this petition as a way to gather all fans of the series, in an attempt to show Square-Enix just how large the fan base is. Our hope is to gather enough signatures to acquire attention from SE, thus at the very least getting a public response to the C&D.
We should still try to have a strong stance.... right?
Something like that... Except maybe a little longer... Also Better written.
The language edited according to Zephira's suggestion might appear thus:
We, the undersigned Chrono fans, have hungered for official new material in the franchise for a decade. The re-release of Chrono Trigger on the Nintendo DS in 2008 gave us hope of future entries in the series, but since its release we have received no further indication of Square Enix's interest in continuing the franchise.
Absent an official addition to the Chrono series, fans have speculated upon the possible resolutions and continuances of an intellectual property that has captured their imaginations and inspired new artistic dreams. The Chrono fan community has realized its dreams through entire volumes of fan fiction, fan art, interactive Flash projects, and even games created with the popular RPGMaker game engine. We feel that our right to interpret and enjoy the discontinued Chrono franchise should also extend to modification of the Super Nintendo game we lawfully purchased while it was still in circulation. We acknowledge no financial harm to the intellectual property holder in the release of a modification to backups of the legally purchased Super Nintendo game, and therefore ready ourselves to defend our right through our power as consumers.
We, the undersigned, pledge to boycott the purchase of Square Enix games released after May 8, 2009, for all platforms, until such time as Square Enix rescinds its Cease and Desist against Crimson Echoes and SNES-era modification.
Edit there was in the "action" paragraph. I wanted to retain the fact(?) that the Chrono fan community was inspired to do this because we've been neglected as fans and consumers.
FaustWolf petition is by far the best written and strongest....
Its true we don't want to force them into make a poor excuse for a release just because we forced them...
But these C&Ds are poor taste on there part.. o_o I can understand part of what was mention about it becoming to canon.. or something like the story is official and SE would have to adjust any plans they have for a story line to make sure it fits together with CE.....
On another note I had a chance to watch the YouTube trailers for CE last night... O_O I have to say they were Spectacular...
2nd Note: CE and Save CE sites are at the top of Google's search results. !_!
OK I signed as well
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oh, I know Faust's is the best written. I whipped mine up in 10 minutes, and claimed it had to be better written. I was just saying, I think the petition should be more along the lines of that, but in Faust's excellent writing ;). Also, Faust I know you're here.... YOu can't hide anymore *is watching you*
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I'm just waiting for those interested in the petition writing to develop the kind of "tone" we should go for. What I had in mind originally was language with real-world impact, but on the downside it commits the signers to actually *do* something and therein it may seem like an empty threat anyway.
Since there's no action language on the petition site yet, perhaps it's best to wait for SE's official response to the fallout and then adapt the petition response accordingly.
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I'm just waiting for those interested in the petition writing to develop the kind of "tone" we should go for. What I had in mind originally was language with real-world impact, but on the downside it commits the signers to actually *do* something and therein it may seem like an empty threat anyway.
Since there's no action language on the petition site yet, perhaps it's best to wait for SE's official response to the fallout and then adapt the petition response accordingly.
True, that does seem like the correct road to take.. :)
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See, I told ya he was here. He's always here *hides* xD. Anywho, yeah looks like it's more hungry hungry hippos for everyone >_>.
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I'm just waiting for those interested in the petition writing to develop the kind of "tone" we should go for. What I had in mind originally was language with real-world impact, but on the downside it commits the signers to actually *do* something and therein it may seem like an empty threat anyway.
Since there's no action language on the petition site yet, perhaps it's best to wait for SE's official response to the fallout and then adapt the petition response accordingly.
this is what I'm waiting on. We should be hearing something soon.