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Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Agent 12 on May 08, 2009, 02:23:09 am
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I got to see an early showing of star trek today. I really loved it. Sure I have a weird fascination with JJ Abrams but I think it was more than that. It was a great mix of action and humor. Maybe not too much character development but well you can watch the show to see the character development?
Which brings me to my point. I'd like to know the opinion of all the trekkies out there was this a good movie? Does it accurately depict the show (i.e. if I liked the movie will like the show, is the show better than th emovie, or is the movie better than the show). The biggest shocker to me was the humor, but I dont know if that's just JJ Abrams of if star trek was that funny he always does a fantastic job with putting humor in non humorous situations.
I'm debating watching a little star trek cause of this but well.......thats a huge commitment both in time and with my social standing among my friends. I'm already by far the nerdiest person in my group ;)
--JP
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JJ Abrams is awesome. I haven't gotten into Lost, mainly because I can't get into another show right now, but I regularly go back and chain-smoke through all 5 seasons of Alias. I haven't see the new ST movie yet, budget being a big part of that, but I want to. I remember I used to like watching some of the old ST TV shows and movies. I thought they were entertaining. I can't speak for much on either side of Next Generation, though.
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ST:TOS has always been very campy, so it wasn't JJ Abrams exactly, although he did a great job implementing it in to a still serious movie. I am not a huge trekkie but I am a fan. I would especially say the casting was spot on for every one, save Kirk. I do really mean spot on, every one didn't just mimic there predecessors, they took the characters and made them there own. At the same time they knew the precedents the gimmicks of the series and used them ("Damn it Jim I'm a Doctor! Not a ______."). Chris Pine, who played James Tiberius Kirk, didn't do a bad job at all but I felt that he created an all new Kirk. The old Kirk would bend the rules, he would put others before himself at all times, he was also a real ladies man, and he knew what to do for the greater good. Pine fit all these perfectly but he did something to lose that charm that charisma, which I can only pin on him being young. 10/10
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Red, you should watch Lost....it's awesome.
Since I do want people to talk about the movie in this thread (especially in comparison to the TV show or other movies) feel free to put spoilers just mark them
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Obviously since I didn't watch the show I can' know for sure, but I feel like it's partially explained by it being an alternate reality right? In this new reality he came out as more of a rebel and didn't immediately become captain of the enterprise cause of it, atleast that was the jist I got out of spock's little time travel speech, he seemed genuinely surprised that his younger self was captain instead of kirk. Sounds like you watched TOS, would you say it's still watchable now? I have tried to watch some of the older sci fi and it just hasn't aged well...For example I tried to watch the original battlestar after getting into galactica and i just couldn't do it.
--JP
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I would recommend watching the original version or the most resent revamp of it(as the other revamps look like crappy CGI). As far as how it will hold up, TOS is very episodic, so you'll have a mix of some of the worst scenes to ever grace television and some of the best still. I would still recommend TOS but no more or less to you even if you haven't seen the movie. Both stand formidably on there own and really don't need each other, yet combine beautifully together.
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As for Kirk, I do understand that his new situation is the reasoning behind his new character. Its not bad at all, in fact it makes complete sense, except a lot of other where severally changed as well(Uhura, Scotty, Spock) and they didn't experience that large of a new characterization. I do think that a more 'badboy' captain is well received now then was then. Once again I do like Pine's take just as much as Shatner's, but for very different reasons.
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Hardly a Trekkie here, but I enjoy the occasional dose. The series up to (and including) DS9 had some great imaginative - and thoughtful - episodes along the way. You don't really get much of that in mainstream TV these days.
I think early Shatner is a lot fun, whether it's The Trouble With Tribbles, or one of his early movies - like 'Incubus', where he speaks entirely in Esperanto. I generally liked the films with Shatner & Co., save for the first one (boring!) and the fifth (just plain bad!). I never did see 'Generations' from the mid-90s though. Really enjoyed 'First Contact' when it came out. I remember seeing it multiple times. Then 'Insurrection' hit the screens and just killed the franchise for me! :picardno
After TNG ended though, I thought things went downhill. Thought Voyager was a lame attempt to appeal to both feminists (w/ Janeway) and teen viewers (w/ the Barbie Borg, as we'd call her). The last series, Enterprise, I watched one episode and it did nothing for me.
Haven't really looked into the new movie yet. I'm on the fence as far as reinventing the old cast goes, and worry that there might be too much CGI.
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I'm going to see it tonight, and I'm a huge fan of the original series, not so much TNG...
One thing that kind of bothers me is that Shatner wasn't invited at all, not even for a cameo or something...
Whatever.
I'll have more to compare it too once I actually SEE it.
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Gosh I hope I see it in the next few days. It's getting to the point where I've been waiting for this for like over a year and now it's finally out and I need to get down to a theater.
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Oh, if someone's going to watch the original series, start out with "Balance of Terror." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_Terror)
But The Next Generation is really the pinnacle of Star Trek IMO. I haven't seen the new movie yet, but I'm sorta grossed out that Spock and Uhura get it on, or at least that's what I heard somewhere. Seems completely out of character.
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They have one kiss, and it completely one sided.
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That's reassuring.
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Yeah I saw this today and it was so exciting! The acting and story were so good. I think that Kirk was a little out of character. In the original series, he was more of a gentleman, in this movie he's more of a punk. Other than that, everything was just so superbly done.
One thing that kind of bothers me is that Shatner wasn't invited at all, not even for a cameo or something...
Yeah, that was kind of strange but I guess that they couldn't find a reason for him to be in the movie. I mean with Nimoy, they made him travel back in time. There wouldn't be a good reason for Kirk to do that. But I guess Shatner was insulted he wasn't invited. I guess he's just going to have to keep sticking with priceline for now XD.
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They have one kiss, and it completely one sided.
Actually there are two, and the second wasn't one sided.
Saw it yesterday and it was if not the best definitely one of the best Star trek movies in existence.
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I absolutely loved it. True to the original characters, but fresh and exciting in the way the movie plays. I've seen it twice already, and that's saying something for me.
My only nitpick was the Spock/Uhura thing. WTF?
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Uhura had a crush on her teacher and Spock responded in kind when he was having a mental break down. It made sense to me, at least.
What didn't make any sense was promoting a cadet (who hadn't even graduated yet) to Captain of the flagship.
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Uhura had a crush on her teacher and Spock responded in kind when he was having a mental break down. It made sense to me, at least.
What didn't make any sense was promoting a cadet (who hadn't even graduated yet) to Captain of the flagship.
Well the obvious reasoning being he was James T. Kirk.
From what it looked like the crew was mostly all fresh recruits, so putting the top of the class student made sense. After all Pike knew the whole story behind the sim.
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And it doesn't specify how much time is between the movie and the last scene where they pretty much take off it could have been a while later.
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Trek had fallen out of favor with me for quite some time... about the last decade. First Contact was the last decent movie, and even then, I didn't really like it. After that, things went downhill with both the movies and television series (DS9 being the last decent series, in my opinion). In any case, I had gotten tired of the pseudo-intellectualism, pontificating, and clear lack of anything that resembled subtlety.
So, when I heard that this re-imagining was coming out, I was excited. I hoped that this would revitalize sci-fi in the American mainstream, 'cuz without it, there's no interest in space.
Last night, I watched it and it blew me away. I would've been happy if the movie simply didn't suck, but it went past that and became a truly enjoyable experience. To put it another way, the two hours I sat in the theater felt more like one: that's the mark of a fun movie. The action was intense, the characters well-written and likable, and the tech was fun to see.
Really, I have no complaints. I'm just happy to see Trek beginning its rebirth.
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In my eyes, you know a movie is good when you finish a huge bag of popcorn before the movie starts (Me and 4 family members were there and it took a long time to start) and don't refill it at all during it.
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I hope after maybe another movie or so that this surge creates a push for a new series, dammit! Make up for Enterprise biting the dust early already! Remember: Star Trek is a lot about the future. How about we go further into the future instead of going backwards? I haven't seen this movie, and I'm sure it's great, but obviously they're not going to get this cast to do a prequel origin story series or something...and I don't think I'd want one anyways...
Get to the time travely Federation! It's obviously the next final frontier! You could then have an excuse for guest appearances by anyone from previous Treks no matter how old they are now! Or they could even retread storylines like that one ep of DS9 where they went back in time to the Trouble With Trebbles ep. C'mon, dammit, why aren't I a tv decision-maker guy? >_<
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They probably wouldn't be able to get the same actors, but I think it would be pretty cool if they did like what Battlestar Galactica did where they take the show and remake it only it would be in this timeline. And yes, Trials and Tribble-ations was one of the best episodes.
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That DS9 episode wasn't very good, imo. Just finished up the series in its entirety a few days ago. So far DS9 > the rest.
As for this new movie, I don't plan on seeing it. looks like another action movie...not what ST is about. The trailers made me laugh and put me off completely, as well as most every review out there saying it is "amazing", when its just another blah action movie.
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I have seen it. Epic and emotional... just absolutely well done.
*Recommends to Zeality after the C&D business is over with* :grimm
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It is a good (or manipulative) movie if it can get you to cry 5 minutes in.
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I had a dream last night where I met William Shatner. I told him that I was disappointed he wasn't in the Star Trek movie. Then he proceeded to ignore me : p.
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I'm not sure I liked it, which means I probably didn't. It's a pretty well-done film for what it tries to do, but I'm more interested in stories with substance. I don't mind the flash, but it's like having all frosting with no cake. No character development, no plot intricacies, no drama, no art. Pure entertainment. Great way to burn two hours, but insignificant in the greater scheme of things, and to me Star Trek was always at its best when it took an interest in the greater scheme of things.
Actually, in this case, I do think the flash was too much. What an over-energized movie! Our pop culture suffers from such awful hyperstimulation these days; it's everywhere. I can't wait for that to burn itself out.
It is a good (or manipulative) movie if it can get you to cry 5 minutes in.
"Manipulative" is right. I was sitting there watching it, thinking to myself, "I can't believe I'm tearing up over this." I also admit that I barked when Scotty beamed them into that empty cargo bay.
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"Manipulative" is right. I was sitting there watching it, thinking to myself, "I can't believe I'm tearing up over this." I also admit that I barked when Scotty beamed them into that empty cargo bay.
I thought pretty much the same thing during that scene, but then every time they showed that alien with the big buggy eyes it made me laugh for some reason.
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"Manipulative" is right. I was sitting there watching it, thinking to myself, "I can't believe I'm tearing up over this." I also admit that I barked when Scotty beamed them into that empty cargo bay.
I thought pretty much the same thing during that scene, but then every time they showed that alien with the big buggy eyes it made me laugh for some reason.
...Um, are you referring to the one with Scotty?
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No, I think they're referring to the birth scene. The obstetrician was this really weird bug-eyed alien lady.
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I had a dream last night where I met William Shatner. I told him that I was disappointed he wasn't in the Star Trek movie. Then he proceeded to ignore me : p.
That is SO like him. But as soon as YOU start to ignore HIM, THEN it's a big deal. Priceline can eat it.
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No, I think they're referring to the birth scene. The obstetrician was this really weird bug-eyed alien lady.
Yeah that's what I was talking about. She looked pretty much human except for ginormous eyes.
All in all I thought it was a good movie. Very entertaining, very humorous. I thought all of the actors portrayed their respective characters nearly perfectly. I've only watched the Star Trek shows in passing, never was such a Star Trek nerd that I would ever watch an entire series all the way though - but this movie made me want to. I think it will help revitalize the series.
That is SO like him. But as soon as YOU start to ignore HIM, THEN it's a big deal. Priceline can eat it.
I know - You are not. Talking shit - About - The. Priceline. - Negotiator.
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I love the Shatner. I don't care what anyone says.
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...She looked pretty much human except for ...
Isn't that every Star Trek alien?
I know - You are not. Talking shit - About - The. Priceline. - Negotiator.
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I love the Shatner. I don't care what anyone says.
Well, Zapp Brannigan is my favorite character too. (<-4dlulz)
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...She looked pretty much human except for ...
Isn't that every Star Trek alien?
Um, not every alien in Star Trek is humanoid...Maybe all of the Federation is (idk Federation History or anything)...but I even recall an alien encounter that was 2-dimensional (I think it was a Voyager ep...might've been TNG though, I forget).
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The original cast, at least.
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...She looked pretty much human except for ...
Isn't that every Star Trek alien?
Um, not every alien in Star Trek is humanoid...Maybe all of the Federation is (idk Federation History or anything)...but I even recall an alien encounter that was 2-dimensional (I think it was a Voyager ep...might've been TNG though, I forget).
It was TNG. The ship was trapped in the 2D creature and it was heading to one of those deadly, starship-crushing phenomena.
Any comments on Voyager, from anyone? We are just starting the series and after finishing TNG and then DS9, none to sure that it could top either of those series.
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...She looked pretty much human except for ...
Isn't that every Star Trek alien?
Um, not every alien in Star Trek is humanoid...Maybe all of the Federation is (idk Federation History or anything)...but I even recall an alien encounter that was 2-dimensional (I think it was a Voyager ep...might've been TNG though, I forget).
It was TNG. The ship was trapped in the 2D creature and it was heading to one of those deadly, starship-crushing phenomena.
Any comments on Voyager, from anyone? We are just starting the series and after finishing TNG and then DS9, none to sure that it could top either of those series.
A blackhole, if I recall correctly.
Q could be said to be non-humanoid who just happens to be appearing as a humanoid. Indeed, there is an entire class of Star Trek aliens that aren't humanoid but appear to be at one point or another. Changelings/Shapeshifters like Odo are another such example. Then there was that tar thingy that killed Tasha Yar. And the wormhole aliens. And Trills.
For truly alien aliens, you need to go to other science fiction shows it seems. Of course, then you get aliens like the Daleks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek), which have been traditionally defeated by staircases.
Its a no-win scenario. Where's Kirk when you need him?
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Any comments on Voyager, from anyone? We are just starting the series and after finishing TNG and then DS9, none to sure that it could top either of those series.
I thought Voyager was pretty good. It took it a bit to really get going and then at the end it sort of petered out a bit with over-the-top Borg ep after over-the-top Borg ep, but it was always pretty neat...I think I enjoyed Sliders more for that similar sort of 'trying to get back home' feel...Though with Voyager it also has plenty of elements from TNG and the rest of the Trek 'verse...
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Any comments on Voyager, from anyone? We are just starting the series and after finishing TNG and then DS9, none to sure that it could top either of those series.
I thought Voyager was pretty good. It took it a bit to really get going and then at the end it sort of petered out a bit with over-the-top Borg ep after over-the-top Borg ep, but it was always pretty neat...I think I enjoyed Sliders more for that similar sort of 'trying to get back home' feel...Though with Voyager it also has plenty of elements from TNG and the rest of the Trek 'verse...
Yeah I thought Voyager was pretty good. It doesn't beat DS9, but it was still good. Not sure how to compare it to TNG. In my eyes they're about equal I guess.
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I really enjoyed Voyager. I watched pretty much all the eps in that series and I can't say the same about the other series... mainly because I was too young. Although they do syndicate it on Spike tv and such, I don't really have that channel right now. I guess I liked all the borg melodrama and having a female captain was great. Enterprise was pretty much crap... though I gave it an honest chance by watcihng the first season instead of American Idol lol.
DS9 is probably my favorite though. It had the most diverse and amusing cast of characters. The last couple of seasons with the whole war thing kind of drug on much in the way that Voyager's Borg thing did,but still it was a great show.
You know, my dad learned English from watching TNG XD. I don't even know how since they use so much technobabble in it, but he seems to give it a lot of credit.
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TNG>TOS>Enterprise>DS9=Voyager
For me at least, I was raised on TOS and TNG and I watched Voyager and Enterprise while they were still airing. DS9 I haven't seen all of only reruns on Spike and such.
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I'm watching TOS and it is probably the creepiest series I've ever seen.
It's great, though.
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Enterprise was pretty much crap... though I gave it an honest chance by watcihng the first season instead of American Idol lol.
Am I the only one that actually really liked Enterprise? I'm no trekkie by any stretch, but I found that show really entertaining any time I happened to watch an episode.
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I was okay with Enterprise, but I really, really disliked the idea of Enterprise...Grappling hooks in space just aren't as cool as Tractor beams. The best part of that series, though, was seeing Brent Spiner as Dr. Soong...I think he was starting up the whole Khan colony of genetically enhanced humans or something. That was the really worthwhile part of the series...oh and T’Pol brought sexy back for the Vulcans (after losing the Sexy Wars of the '80s~'90s)...
To me, idk why I bother sharing, no one ever cares how anyone else ranks things really, but they go...
TNG>Voyager>TOS>Enterprise>DS9
Though I admit I've seen the least of DS9, most of the time it was because I would start to watch an ep and become almost immediately uninterested...It was always nice to see Worf and I liked Dax (Terry Farrell version anyways, her 2nd body was kind of lame and always felt sort of last minute to me, but again, might be effected by not seeing a ton of the series)...but whenever the story revolved around any of the other characters I sort of tuned out...
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...She looked pretty much human except for ...
Isn't that every Star Trek alien?
Um, not every alien in Star Trek is humanoid...Maybe all of the Federation is (idk Federation History or anything)...but I even recall an alien encounter that was 2-dimensional (I think it was a Voyager ep...might've been TNG though, I forget).
Yes, it was Voyager. It was called "Species 326(or some random number). They were central for one of the story arcs and their role in fighting the borg, etc. They could have done a lot more with them...
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I'm watching TOS and it is probably the creepiest series I've ever seen.
It's great, though.
Same. I don't know about creepiest but it is VERY creepy. It's odd how solid the characters are in the beginning though. I've seen all the original cast movies and they're almost the exact same as the first episode of the show. Obviously they knew their shit.
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Yes, it was Voyager. It was called "Species 326(or some random number). They were central for one of the story arcs and their role in fighting the borg, etc. They could have done a lot more with them...
It was TNG. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Two-dimensional_lifeform
I haven't seen all of Voyager, but I believe the species you are thinking of came from a universe where space was a fluid rather than a vacuum...or something like that. But I don't believe they were 2-D
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I read that as "non humanoid". but apparently species 8472 exist in a separate dimension- http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/stmagazine/8472-prey.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_8472
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Yeah it was a rare thing to have a non humanoid alien. One of the reasons I liked species 8472. With all the times they run into them you'd think they would have learned the actual name of the species.
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Yeah it was a rare thing to have a non humanoid alien. One of the reasons I liked species 8472. With all the times they run into them you'd think they would have learned the actual name of the species.
They probably had no name, just "us" or their name had no translation. I find stuff like that to be kind of cop-outish. They could have called them tripods or something, anything really. They named Reavers in Firefly and supposedly nobody alive ever saw one, plus they didn't seem to talk much. I don't think they named themselves. I'm just saying it could have been done. Naming something "Species <Number>" is confusing and arbitrary.
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Yeah it was a rare thing to have a non humanoid alien. One of the reasons I liked species 8472. With all the times they run into them you'd think they would have learned the actual name of the species.
They probably had no name, just "us" or their name had no translation. I find stuff like that to be kind of cop-outish. They could have called them tripods or something, anything really. They named Reavers in Firefly and supposedly nobody alive ever saw one, plus they didn't seem to talk much. I don't think they named themselves. I'm just saying it could have been done. Naming something "Species <Number>" is confusing and arbitrary.
They did that in Freespace too. The main bad guys are the Shivans, but they have no way of communicating with them so they just assigned a name.
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If it wasn't for Star Trek, I'd probably be dead now...
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Alright, I saw it awhile ago and am surprised now it's coming(saw openign night).
So here's my thoughts.
Good, very good. Leanord Nimoy, great addition.
Uhura seemed kinda, well like nothing more than a sexual attraction. She got to make out with Spock, be eye candy, and strip. Not much else except complain.
Action sequences were amazing but I must say Kirk seemed to have a thing for flying over cliffs and grabbing the ledges desparately climbing to safety. Did that A LOT.
Great movie overall, highly recommend it.
One last thing I must mention since no one has. Me and my friends sat til the credits to mess around and I noticed something downright hilarious as the credits rolled by. Not sure HOW much they helped but none the less guess who helped make and produce the movie? I'll give you one hint.
STAR WARS. :lol:
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I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. As for the Kirk's lack of "Kirk-ness",
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I believe it was due to the loss of his father in the alternate dimension we view in the movie.
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However, I liked the new Kirk. He was pretty badass, and although he was arrogant, he had reasons for it. He...really was that great. Especially with Spock's "unbeatable" test. I laughed, and loved the movie.
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However, I liked the new Kirk. He was pretty badass, and although he was arrogant, he had reasons for it. He...really was that great. Especially with Spock's "unbeatable" test. I laughed, and loved the movie.
The kobayashi maru has been a long time part of Star Trek and Kirk did the exact same thing too, so it isn't new. I dunno if I like every main characters in movies being badass, it dilutes the badassery.
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I wouldn't say badass. The word is overused nowadays. It originally was meaning someone who does things in a bad way more often than meaning like evil villainous but they have good intentions.
Then it started getting into slang and now it just means a tough guy or something that's really cool.
Kirk, awesome? Yes.
Badass? No.
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I wouldn't say badass. The word is overused nowadays. It originally was meaning someone who does things in a bad way more often than meaning like evil villainous but they have good intentions.
Then it started getting into slang and now it just means a tough guy or something that's really cool.
Kirk, awesome? Yes.
Badass? No.
YES! Someone finally said it!
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Perhaps "kickass" would be more appropriate...? I haven't seen the new movie, but I hear that with a bit of emotional unbalance Spock is indeed a bit of a badass...
Who ARE the badasses in the ST 'verse?...Seven? :?
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Not sure if you'd call Spock badass although of the crew yeah he's the closest there is to one. The one counter to him being the badass is that look at badasses. They don't get the high grades and and rich lives. Most certainly don't get the girl either(more often than not by their own choice since they don't care for romantic relationships). Kirk apparantly gets girls. And Spock's with Uhura plus having the rich family and getting loads of the stuff. Personality Spock's got but he's got the advantages most don't.
And recently I found this which might help further how this was made by Star Wars people and I found hilarious.
SPOILERS MAY AWAIT!!!
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1910892
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Reviving thread. I'm spending tonight studying more about Zen Buddhism and its history, and came across http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance, whose main thrust seemed to be an incorporation of humanity's romantic and rational sides, like a humanist philosophy that embraces both.
I wondered then if this is a strong link between the book and Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and whether Roddenberry might have read it. To try and make the briefest summary of TMP's meaning, as I currently understand it:
The Motion Picture champions humanity's ability to derive meaning from a meaningless universe, a function possibly granted by its irrational, romantic, frail biological functioning and origin. It's also perahps a very strong romanticization of sentience, consciousness, and the "humanity" unique to our species. V'Ger represents the rational, and Decker, the human and romantic; they merge.