Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Chrono Trigger DS Analysis => Topic started by: Ultima on April 14, 2009, 05:35:24 pm
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Okay, I just fought him, and before that I read that some people speculated he was behind the Fall of Guardia in 1005.
After beating him, he tells Chrono that he'll raise the greatest army the world has ever seen in Porre, and wipe "your pitiful little kingdom off the map!" I guess...that confirms it then? That Dalton is at least involved with the Fall of Guardia?
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This was found out shortly after the release of CT:DS in Japan, and yes, it ultimately confirms that Dalton is in fact, the mastermind behind the Rise of Porre and the Fall of Guardia.
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And from there some have assumed that he was the long-haired man in the ending FMV, originally seen in the Playstation port of CT.
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I think it makes more sense that it's just a random Porrean and that's why it's just a random, unrecognizable silhouette...
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Dalton couldn't have been that man. Dalton fights with magic or uses his golems instead.
Fighting with a sword... it's just not him, I think. Besides, why would he be in the actual fighting when he can attack from a distance, which is safer?
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Yeah, plus, he says he'll raise it, not lead it...
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Yep, and besides that, Square couldn't have known back then that they would make Dalton the guy who leads it. So it's just a coincedence.
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Why do you think that they couldn't have known who was responsible?
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To me it sounded like something they came up with way later. I think they chose a long haired dude to keep it mysterious. If they had planned it from the beginning, I would think they would execute it a little better, not Dalton saying 1 line that he's going to attack Guardia.
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Ah, yes, I forgot how easily you seem to just dismiss things like that...
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I guess the two of us are destined to disagree on everything.
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I DISAGREE! You're just being overly dramatic. lol
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However...
How does Dalton even know Guardia EXISTED? He spent most of the story prior to the Dimensional Vortex in 12,000 BC, so he couldn't have any knowledge of any location in the future.
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That Dimensional Vortex is connected to 1000 AD. He clearly could have gained knowledge of locations in the present.
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The Prophet could have told him as well...plus, he just says, "your kingdom", not specifically Guardia, he could have learned afterwords that they were from Guardia (especially easy after Crono wed Marle)...
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If he knew Porre, he definitely knew of Guardia (considering one must pass through Guardia to reach Porre from the entrance of the DV).
Besides, it was the only kingdom in 1000 AD, it wasn't hard to know.
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All I know is that SE has plenty of excellent material from CTDS to make a new title.
Dalton's presence in 1000A.D. (an individual directly from the "mythical" kingdom of Zeal) is enough, and they can do so much with it.
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All I know is that SE has plenty of excellent material from CTDS to make a new title.
Dalton's presence in 1000A.D. (an individual directly from the "mythical" kingdom of Zeal) is enough, and they can do so much with it.
I have a feeling it all depends on CT:DS's sales numbers
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All I know is that SE has plenty of excellent material from CTDS to make a new title.
Dalton's presence in 1000A.D. (an individual directly from the "mythical" kingdom of Zeal) is enough, and they can do so much with it.
I have a feeling it all depends on CT:DS's sales numbers
Yes, absolutely - and let's hope for the best. However, fans are what drive games to sequels (that and profit). It is really up to individuals like us to make it happen...
"Leave that to me."
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It's also probably up to whether or not Kato actually wants to revisit the Chrono series...or, in fact, if he actually has anything in mind for another game...
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Speaking of sales, does anyone know how well they did go? Surely they're aware of the strong fanbase, that would fall in love with a (well-made) sequel...
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CT:DS sold .90 million (http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=24237®ion=All) units, with .53m in Japan, .32m in US, and .05m in Europe. For comparison's sake, FFIV:DS sold .99 million (http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=13437®ion=All), without any European release.
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I would like to repeat here that the game was also not translated into German, Spanish, or Italian (only English and French), hence the bad european sales...
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I of course want to see a true sequel to Chrono Trigger... but as previously stated, it depends on the DS versions sales. Unfortunately for us, too many gamers are lazy and cheap and will just play it on an emulator and never invest in this new version to begin with. If we see anything, we will see Chrono Cross for the DS or PSP. I am hoping it will be the DS, because I do not want a PSP, as I think it is highly overrated.
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The DS is overrated as well. Neither system has very many good games, but the DS costs less and is more innovative.
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I don't think the DS is overrated...If anything it gets underrated a lot (or at least in the places I've seen). Most people just say PSP because the graphical capabilities are greater and it has those other funky non-gaming applications. Rarely do I see long lists of good PSP games...while the DS has a great selection of notable series: Ace Attorney, Dragon Quest, Pokemon, Castlevania, Super Mario (including M&L RPGs), Final Fantasy (various spin-offs of admittedly varying degree of worth)...entries from really big-name series like Grand Theft Auto, Kingdom Hearts, Megami Tensei, Valkyrie Profile, Suikoden, Phantasy Star, Shining Force, Tales of...and great originals like Knights In the Nightmare (part of the amazing Heaven Dept. series), Professor Layton and the Curious Village, Etrian Odyssey, Puzzle Quest and Trauma Center...
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How come no one has yet to mention the mayor of Porre as a cause of Dalton's success? After all, he is pretty foolhardy. Depending on if you did the Wondershot side quest or not, Dalton could have either bribed him, or just asked politely with plenty of deceit to allow him to raise Porre's own army.
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Yeah, it pretty much confirms it.
Though I like to imagine that the party that went through the Dimensional Vortex stopped him, since they know exactly what he's going to do and they have pull with the King.
And that the Fall of Guardia only happens in the timeline where they didn't go through the Dimensional Vortex; i.e. the one that Mindwiped!Magus is from.
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Though that time line would be the followed canon one, considering the DVs only open after Lavos's defeat.
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Though that time line would be the followed canon one, considering the DVs only open after Lavos's defeat.
Yah, I know. I just like to imagine the DS one got a happy ending.
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From my interpretation, it seems that Schala teleported the party back to wherever they were before the dimensional vortices appeared and wiped their memory. In other words, they proceeded to defeat Lavos as normal and everything played out the way it did in Eclipse Magus's timeline (or not, if your Magus is dead...then Eclipse Magus would have to be from another dimension). Which means that the knowledge was more for the player's notice than the characters.
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After killing Lavos, Magus departs to find Schala. So probably Eclipse Magus is just a posterior version of Magus, the Magus that was searching for Schala (and found her).