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Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities => Topic started by: Cerestryo on January 06, 2009, 06:09:09 pm

Title: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Cerestryo on January 06, 2009, 06:09:09 pm
Is it possible that lavos's shell have been a organic space ship? It would make sense of why it's crash didn't kill it. and explain the inner body having had been the control and lavos being the pilot

Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: FaustWolf on January 06, 2009, 06:23:11 pm
I guess that would make Lavos similar to Species 8472 from Star Trek Voyager -- I think they had biological spaceships. It's certainly not out of the question here either, considering Lavos' DNA absorption abilities. Maybe it has some organ that secretes metallic substances.
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Cerestryo on January 06, 2009, 08:09:30 pm
it would also similar to the Borg because they assimilate almost everything
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 06, 2009, 10:20:21 pm
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I guess that would make Lavos similar to Species 8472 from Star Trek Voyager -- I think they had biological spaceships. It's certainly not out of the question here either, considering Lavos' DNA absorption abilities. Maybe it has some organ that secretes metallic substances.

Species 8472 DID use bio-organic space ships...  They also came from a dimension in which outer space wasn't a vaccuum.  Instead they called it "fluidic space" and it seemed to have some sort of fluidic property...

As for Lavos' shell being an organic space ship?  Very likely.
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: placidchap on January 07, 2009, 10:20:35 am
haven't seen voyager, but there was an episode of TNG titled "Tin Man", that had a living spaceship which had immense power.
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: BROJ on January 07, 2009, 11:29:43 am
This is also discussed here (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,4891.0.html), if you're interested.
But, yes; Lavos is quite similar to Species 8472...
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: placidchap on January 07, 2009, 11:42:22 am
The last post in that other thread mentioned what I just said...Gomtuu is "Tin Man".  I am inclined to believe Lavos is similar to such a creature/ship.
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: chrono eric on January 07, 2009, 06:11:02 pm
I always viewed the Lavos shell as a type of living space-ship, but also as a structure which magnified the time abilities of the Lavos Core. You'll notice that when you fight the Lavos core, you see the "blue distortion" background similar to the times when you fight the shell. So I always assumed it served a dual purpose - or even three purposes - as a spaceship, as a magnifying device for Lavos' power over time, and as a shield of sorts to protect Lavos from atmospheric re-entry and impacting the planet.

And then there is the fourth potential purpose of protecting the Lavos Core from annoying time travelling kids that wanna kick his ass.  :D If all planets have "Entity" existences within them, then I imagine pretty much any planet that Lavos impacts with intelligent life on it would eventually lead to some drama just like Chrono Trigger.


...and speaking of organic spaceships, has anyone here seen the sci-fi show Farscape that used to be on TV awhile back? That show was weird as hell, but I loved it so much.
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Crono666 on October 18, 2009, 04:25:05 am
After spending way too much time thinking about Lavos, I'm starting to believe that his shell might be a type of space ship.

One thing that I find interesting about Lavos's shell, is that it appears to have no eyes of anysort on it.
The problem with the shell having no eyes is that Lavos would not be able to see where he was going in space.
This seems kind of unsafe which could rule out Lavos's shell as a space ship of some sort.
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: ZombieBucky on October 18, 2009, 12:43:28 pm
but wait a moment. thats not entirely true. couldnt the beak thing be an eye or some other form of optical organ? couldnt lavos see out of it to see where he was going? or did he even need to see? perhaps he was guided by some kind of biological program that led him to a planet.
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Mr Bekkler on October 18, 2009, 05:10:08 pm
Hey, Fiber optics can be tiny and still send light signals, and we have that stuff here on earth in mass quantity.

Who's to say Lavos doesn't have something like that in each of its spikes, for instance? Or perhaps it doesn't even need to see, maybe it just has a really good navigation system from the start?

Lack of eyes is hardly a reason to doubt anything. Just look at any troglobite. Cave-dwelling animals who have adapted to lack of sunlight. http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/animals-with-no-eyes-cave-adaptation/
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Crono666 on October 19, 2009, 03:13:27 am
Are there any good pictures of Lavos?
The only real pictures that anyone has are the sprites which are not the best thing to use if you want to see if Lavos has eyes on his shell.
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Faust on October 27, 2009, 10:29:50 am
Not having an eye would not necessary lend to an object being incapable of navigation

For all we know, it has optical glands (somewhere) which function like that of a fish's eyesight. To examine images of Lavos and realize that it does not have human eyeballs is unreliable in my opinion.



This reminds me of bats who have poor to none eyesight, maneuvering, primarily, through the use of sonar so perhaps it negates all forms of  optics.





Either way, it does bring up an important question: Exactly how does Lavos undergo sensation?



Alright, alright *steps of soapbox*
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Thought on October 27, 2009, 12:26:49 pm
After spending way too much time thinking about Lavos, I'm starting to believe that his shell might be a type of space ship.

One thing that I find interesting about Lavos's shell, is that it appears to have no eyes of anysort on it.
The problem with the shell having no eyes is that Lavos would not be able to see where he was going in space.
This seems kind of unsafe which could rule out Lavos's shell as a space ship of some sort.

There isn't much to see in space, and given speeds necessary for escape velocity from a solar system, if Lavos could see it, it would be too late. Other sensory organs would be necessary.

But in general, I maintain that Lavos' shell is just as much Lavos as any other part of him. It is still an organic spaceship, in a sense, but it is still him as well.
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: _Janus_ on February 10, 2010, 01:25:18 pm
It makes perfect sense if the "shell" was in fact a spaceship.
Also, I am with Thought on this: there's not much to see in space, and, the less openings/"windows" it had, the more resistent it would be.
it's perfectly seeable that the only weak point of the shell is it's "canon"/"entrance".
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Lavos on September 01, 2011, 07:23:03 am
Guys

You are comparing Lavos, an entity who likely evolved in environments vastly different from Earth's, to creatures that evolved in Earth's environments.

Who says that its aura doesn't somehow allow it to see or something?
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Chrono45 on March 17, 2012, 08:24:57 pm
Well I think you guys are tackling this idea of a "bio-spaceship" wrong. First a good question may be to ask what qualifies as a spaceship. If it is just an exterior protectant that shrouds one during space travel then, I mean, by definition it is quite a spaceship. I feel the spirit of this bio-spaceship however is either "was it grown seperate from him for space travel" or "was it evolutionary designed as its main task to enable space travel." as far as it being grown separate from him that doesn't seem likely because his children are already wearing them and they are like less than 400 years old or something (presumable born after he landed at death mountain).

The second question seems very plausible to me because lavos is assumable able to take and integrate dna into his active dna.  This being possible he may be able to just design any sort of form he would like for any sort of reason. However, his shell did seem to have many other functions such as his "destruction rains from the heavens attack" which he uses several a time just to destroy the world (12000 bc in the ocean palace and 1999). Anyways, I equate his shell to more that of like a turtle or so, it is used as a defensive barrier to thwart the environment. Which seems quite necessary as he goes from the vacuum of space and then to the center of the earth (assumable quite hot and quite pressurized). If I had to choose to label his shell with a form of biotechnology it would be a terra/spacesuit much less than a ship.
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Mr Bekkler on March 17, 2012, 08:48:29 pm
What if Lavos is more like "The Thing" and never assumes the same form twice? It only made Lavos Spawn when it had the shell. But you go inside and what's in there? No Lavos Spawn.
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Chrono45 on March 17, 2012, 09:17:33 pm
Um... I guess im not quite sure what your saying. To speculate whether lavos can only take a form once seems a little to much of a statement to make without any evidence, but i could see that he would never revert back to another form. I say this because presumable he would just continually adopt more efficient designs with little reason to revert to a less efficient one.

As far as the lavos spawn thing goes i am just saying that presumable the shell grew around their body, or perhaps that the shell was the first part to take structure because it doesn't appear that they have an interior yet (since they were killed from outside of the shell but this is probably a discussion for another thread). anyways, I guess im not sure on what you mean when you say that you don't see a lavos spawn when you enter lavos (i'm confused on how this relates to the topic, but I do agree with you, there is no lavos spawn in their). could you elaborate more on that for me?
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Lavos, a one-eyed tick on December 22, 2019, 10:21:13 pm
I see that, that would explain the "eye" on Lavos' "Shell", most likely some sort of observation port for Lavos. Very likely. Would've said the reproduction cycle counters it, but, perhaps the ship is created first. Hmm....
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: EgyLynx on December 31, 2019, 12:20:58 pm
Possibly... but... Lavos is fiction... are it?

Isnīt it looks like fireball?
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Lavos, a one-eyed tick on January 04, 2020, 12:45:32 pm
"Isn't it looks like fireball?"
Pardon me, what does that mean?
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: EgyLynx on January 05, 2020, 03:41:39 pm
"Isn't it looks like fireball?"
Pardon me, what does that mean?
It looks like fireball... well... more better said it nt looks... it was fireball... but it was so hot?

Are it hurted and get that angry and?
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Sheiken on January 05, 2020, 04:26:41 pm
Consider that the more humanoid cores within the "shell" of Lavos are not even his nucleus, I am going to have to say no.  We even see him regenerate the humanoid version of himself during the final battle after it has been obliterated several times.  Lavos is just one giant being that goes through a series of evolutions controlled by what was the left pod in the final battle (from the player perspective).  As long as that core is intact, the rest of him can heal and evolve as needed.  That pod is also not a separate entity by itself, but simply the true nucleus of a much large entity.  When it is killed, the other parts do not keep fighting without it.  They all die off with the nucleus.
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: Schala Zeal on February 06, 2020, 05:44:48 am
Organic space ships... Got me thinking of the Yuzhan Vong from Star Wars EU
Title: Re: could lavos's body have been a organic space ship?
Post by: EgyLynx on February 17, 2020, 03:03:46 pm
Organic space ships... Got me thinking of the Yuzhan Vong from Star Wars EU
You meen Star Wars Legends :( .
That at big war... bigger what movies show...  :cry: