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Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion => Topic started by: The Entity on December 12, 2008, 06:55:40 am
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The title question applies to both Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross.
I found many of CC's bosses fairly challenging, but I was completely thrown off by Miguel. After first meeting the (very weak-looking) guy, I had no idea he would be a boss, let alone a difficult one, yet he defied all my expections and took out my team like it was nothing. He gave me quite a hard time my first playthrough, and it took a few tries to finally defeat him.
Which boss gave you the most trouble?
Oh, and this includes optional bosses, too.
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Those goddamn piranhas...Oh, wait, no RD love? Not actually a 'boss'? Whatever...
Anyways...Ocean Palace Lavos, Golem, Golem Twins & sorta Golem Boss (I didn't know he would run!)...And Zeal with her fuckass Hallation move...Pink Nu Spekkio for obvious reasons (if you don't have Frog or Robo to heal your whole party, you're kind of screwed [I refuse to use items on a boss that heals you completely even if you lose])...
Nu Master from CTDS is certainly one of the series hardest opponents right up there with Lavos & Pink Nu Spekkio...Oh and those two new demon bosses that regenerate if you don't kill them both at the same time put a strain on me as well because at first I thought one was a reviver like the Lavos Core, so I focused on the other one and then BLAMMO, it came right back...and my team wasn't set up real well elementally at the time to properly deal with them both so I just had to figure out in my head how much HP & damage I was dealing to kill them both off close enough in time not to screw myself...The fight was probably the longest I've fought in the series, I think...V_V
No one in CC really...Miguel was a close call though, certainly...Had to dig deep to keep my party alive in that one (all the way in Sprigg's Dodo form grid for that extra Revive Element), but that might be because I brought Harle along for the ride (but MoonShine helps goddamn it, I swear!)...
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CT - MasaMune
CC - Dario.
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Golem Sisters in CTDS, eugh... In the SNES version I made use of emulator speed-up controls and overlevelled. In DS though, I was underlevelled and had to waste a few Elixirs on that fight. MasaMune gave me some trouble in my first SNES and DS playthroughs.
CC - HiHo Tank, Miguel, one of the Fort Dragonia bosses, Miguel, Dario... Garai too, I think.
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CT - Nizbel 1 (IDK why I had such a hard time in my last run through CT, and I was playing regular New Game for that run as I'd lost all my NewGame+ saves, but it is why I asked for ideal leveling areas for each chapter.)
CC - Hi-Ho Tank (Never could defeat it, and then I stopped playing. Didn't quit, just wasn't able to play the game.)
If I recall, the runner-up for CT was the Golem Twins Sisters. Holy crap, were they annoying.
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CT - Probably Zombor or Lavos form II, they're the only ones which gave me much trouble at all.
CC - Without a doubt, Criosphinx the hard way on a non NG+. Honorable mention to Miguel, he hits like a truck and gave me a couple of losses my first time through, but once you know his moves, it gets a bit easier.
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Chrono Trigger: Golem Twins/Sisters
Chrono Cross: Miguel
Chrono Trigger DS: Nu Guardian (Master was easier to me)
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I guess it's been too long since I played CT--I can't remember having difficulty with anyone in particular...maybe the Golem Twins, but fuck I remember.
Now CC...that game had a couple bitches: HiHo Tank, Miguel, Dario, Garai.
Miguel stands out as one of the hardest during every play through, regardless of how amazing I thought I was. And Dario was ridiculous--didn't you have to have Riddel with you? That pissed me off. I didn't know the tricks to defeat him either, so I just tried to defeat him without any particular plan.
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CT: Golem and Ocean Palace Lavos
CC: Serge, Kid & my other teammate. Was impossible to defeat.
Ofcourse normal NG, not NG+. In NG+ everything is easy.
Btw, Dario was piss easy at all. He is programmed to counter every element kind with an element of his own. Using white and black elements results in him using powerful attacks, but all the others are status trash. Respectively: Red = Numble, Blue = Weaken, Yellow = BatEye and Green = LoRes. Numble and LoRes are most harmless, so if you just equip a shitload of red and green elements you can't lose. You'll only have to deal with some physical attacks.
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Btw, Dario was piss easy at all. He is programmed to counter every element kind with an element of his own. Using white and black elements results in him using powerful attacks, but all the others are status trash. Respectively: Red = Numble, Blue = Weaken, Yellow = BatEye and Green = LoRes. Numble and LoRes are most harmless, so if you just equip a shitload of red and green elements you can't lose. You'll only have to deal with some physical attacks.
Not exactly a known tidbit when playing for the first time, especially since back then I didn't use FAQs or walkthroughs...
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I didn't either, but I thought it was rather easy to figure out.
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It was the Golem Sisters for me until I remembered that the water counter attack was the weakest. Dream Devourer was difficult the first time, but now it's a piece of cake. Crimson Shade was difficult because my Lucca had been dangerously behind on tech learning.
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CT: Golem and Ocean Palace Lavos
CC: Serge, Kid & my other teammate. Was impossible to defeat.
Assuming that by "Golem" you mean the Golem that Dalton summons in Zeal Palace, I say this.
Zeal Palace Golem and Serge+Kid+??? were bosses you didn't have to beat to continue. You didn't have to lose, but winning had equal value in those fights.
As for O.P. Lavos, you actually had to lose to continue, whereas in the other two it didn't matter. If you defeated O.P. Lavos, it would continue until you either defeated Lavos Core or got pwned. If you won, you got the Developer's Ending. If you got pwned, you got the Day Of Lavos Ending.
I actually managed to get the Developer's Ending at the Ocean Palace. Personally I wonder what would've happened after the O.P. if you actually had managed to bring down Lavos instead of getting pwned like you were supposed to.
EDIT: I won't accept what I already said as an answer to that wondering, BTW. I had meant in the story.
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CT: Golem and Ocean Palace Lavos
CC: Serge, Kid & my other teammate. Was impossible to defeat.
Assuming that by "Golem" you mean the Golem that Dalton summons in Zeal Palace, I say this.
Zeal Palace Golem and Serge+Kid+??? were bosses you didn't have to beat to continue. You didn't have to lose, but winning had equal value in those fights.
As for O.P. Lavos, you actually had to lose to continue, whereas in the other two it didn't matter. If you defeated O.P. Lavos, it would continue until you either defeated Lavos Core or got pwned. If you won, you got the Developer's Ending. If you got pwned, you got the Day Of Lavos Ending.
I actually managed to get the Developer's Ending at the Ocean Palace. Personally I wonder what would've happened after the O.P. if you actually had managed to bring down Lavos instead of getting pwned like you were supposed to.
Yeah well they're still boss fights and if you win the scene changes, so you get that extra level of coolness. However I like the scene in Fort Dragonia more if you lose, 'cause if you win the third party member will be down for the count and he won't open his mouth again.
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CT: I honestly don't know. I didn't like the rust Tyrano. I beat her without much trouble but the last time you fight Zeal was a pain.
Same with Lavos's final form.
CC: Miguel and Garai. And probably Dario.
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You know who I had a tough time with in CT? Nizbel, I relied pretty heavily on Ayla using a Berserker to beat him. Maybe it was Nizbel II...either way, I just had to melee on him like crazy. I hated that.
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Meh the trick on him is to use lightning till his defense is completely gone, then strongest melee attacks (Falcon Strike ftw) and he goes down easy
I didn't really think any bosses were hard in CT save for Ocean Palace Lavos. Every boss has a trick and if you know it it's pretty easy. But Ocean Palace Lavos was just way overpowered, I liked that
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Yeah, I used Lightning on him like crazy, don't get me wrong, but maybe I was short on items or something, cause I usually don't resort to using berserkers, but whatever, it's all done.
I found CT to be a pretty easy game, overall; Lavos wasn't challenging and I never got stuck to the point where I had to start over or anything like that.
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CT: Golem and Ocean Palace Lavos
CC: Serge, Kid & my other teammate. Was impossible to defeat.
Assuming that by "Golem" you mean the Golem that Dalton summons in Zeal Palace, I say this.
Zeal Palace Golem and Serge+Kid+??? were bosses you didn't have to beat to continue. You didn't have to lose, but winning had equal value in those fights.
As for O.P. Lavos, you actually had to lose to continue, whereas in the other two it didn't matter. If you defeated O.P. Lavos, it would continue until you either defeated Lavos Core or got pwned. If you won, you got the Developer's Ending. If you got pwned, you got the Day Of Lavos Ending.
I actually managed to get the Developer's Ending at the Ocean Palace. Personally I wonder what would've happened after the O.P. if you actually had managed to bring down Lavos instead of getting pwned like you were supposed to.
EDIT: I won't accept what I already said as an answer to that wondering, BTW. I had meant in the story.
This thread includes the optional fights as well...And, while you don't have to beat the Golem, I'm fairly sure that he gives EXP & TP...So I'd count him...I mean, if you don't count him you might as well not count Spekkio either...Leaving out Pink Nu Spekkio would be a shame from such a list if you ask me...
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Personally, I always pwn the Golem.
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There are many of you stating that you've have problems with the Golems. The easiest method to defeating a Golem is using your strongest Light tech available. The Golem's light tech is weak; therefore, it's not a very difficult battle. Assuming you have Crono, Frog, and Ayla in your party, Ayla and Frog's Slurp kiss will do you some good while Crono dishes out some powerful light techs.
The only boss I have ever had difficulty with was the Golem Twins. That was my first time around playing Chrono Trigger. After playing it atleast 27 times, I've found every boss quite easy to defeat.
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CT: Ocean Palace Lavos. He's the only boss I've never been able to beat in a New Game.
CC: Beating the Time Devourer with the Chrono Cross.
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There are many of you stating that you've have problems with the Golems. The easiest method to defeating a Golem is using your strongest Light tech available. The Golem's light tech is weak; therefore, it's not a very difficult battle. Assuming you have Crono, Frog, and Ayla in your party, Ayla and Frog's Slurp kiss will do you some good while Crono dishes out some powerful light techs.
The only boss I have ever had difficulty with was the Golem Twins. That was my first time around playing Chrono Trigger. After playing it atleast 27 times, I've found every boss quite easy to defeat.
That works for the Golem but for the Golem Sisters there's an even easier way. Let's say you have Chrono Lucca and Marle, then you just equip White Plate on Chrono and White Vest on Lucca or Marle. Then if you attack with Chrono's Light attacks only, only Marle or Lucca can even be hurt. I've come to think of this as a brilliant trick to easily defeat the Golem Sisters.
And yeah CT is easy. Even in CT DS in normal NG I got all new bosses killed on the first try. It's a little challenging but if you're prepared it's not difficult.
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I just ran through the place that you have to get the stone to light up. I annihilated those fuckin oversized, prehistoric bats. All I had to use was Luminaire and Dark Matter.
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During my first run, Lavos' 2nd form killed my team in one hit. I really have no troubles defeating its first form, so it's quite impressive. Dream Devourer, however, is not that as hard, because my teams members were all have high levels then.
About CC, I don't really enjoy the battles much. I think I play that game only because I'm interested by the story.
Miguel is my favourite boss, I tried several times to defeat him.. Another boss that I tried more than 2 times is Dark Serge. And I also lost to Dwarves(not that stupid tank, its fairly easy), Chronopolis Police, Time Devourer(when try to get the developer ending).
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I'm pretty sure most everyone is talking about their first playthroughs...In second plays no one is really much of a challenge...
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Best I can do is Nizbel 1 on my very last run in the SNES version. It was a regular New Game, so it should count as a first playthrough since I was used to doing NewGame+ runs.
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Yeah, first playthrough, New Game & New Game+ can be 3 completely different things.
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On my first CT play-through, I had trouble with pretty much every boss, but then again I was about 7 or 8 years old at the time. I don't really find any of them hard anymore, actually. Probably because I've played CT so many times. I've had trouble with many of the later bosses in CC though. It took me multiple tries to defeat the Hydra, Miguel, Chronopolis Police, and a bunch of others I don't remember. I really should get around to finishing that game someday. >_<;;
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Spekkio was my most difficult boss back when I played CT as a 8 year old. CC for me was Miguel. Grrr that's almost too shameful to say that. :(
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None of CT, although the Golem Sisters fight was really annoying.
For CC, now that's different, first came the Hi-Ho Tank, then Garai, then Miguel, then Dario, then FATE, and finally the Time Devourer (Terra Tower version). But of the before-mentioned, Dario took first place.
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I've never had trouble defeating a boss in CT, save for Lavos' final form, which I have never beaten (therefore the game as well), but CC was a different story.
Miguel.
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CT- The Son of Sun wasn't hard, but Really, really annoying. It took me like Half an Hour to beat it, just because of the whole chance thing. In CC I haven't fought any bosses.
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The hardest boss in Chrono Trigger would have to be what I call "Baby Lavos" (The final battle)
In Cross it would be different as there are many options to choose from. I would have to say Garai, Dario, and Miguel. In that order.
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CT- The Son of Sun wasn't hard, but Really, really annoying. It took me like Half an Hour to beat it, just because of the whole chance thing. In CC I haven't fought any bosses.
You can blackholed its minions.
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Well, Trigger is a rather easy game... I only losed once, to the Golem Sisters. They're actually pretty annoying.
Cross is way different. Many bosses posed a threat, IMHO: Garai, Dario, Dark Serge, etc. But I think it's also due to CC's "level up" system: finishing an "important" boss battle like the aforementioned with one or two dead party members counted as a defeat to me, since the incapacitated guys did not receive any stat bonus, and I always loaded back the game and rebattled the boss. The one and only boss in CC which COMPLETELY destroyed me (i.e. all three party members dead) was Miguel and his stupid face that made him look like a moron =P
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I didn't have any trouble with Chrono Cross, really. The only time I died was against Miguel... many times.
As for Trigger, my first playthrough had me die many times. The Guardian and Bits in 2300AD, The Mud Imp and two Beasts guarding Mt. Woe, and any of the Golems were all extremely problematic for me.
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For me it was the Time Devourer in Chrono Trigger. I brought the entirely wrong team into the battle (Magus, Lucca, and Marle) and had no luck with her magical absorbtion barrier. I ended up having Lucca attacking with the wondershot every round praying for a good hit and having Magus and Marle keep the team up. I would have attacked with Magus too, but the Time Devourer's counter attack couldn't make me justify it with what little damage he was doing.
That battle took me an hour and a half because I was too stubborn just to reset the game and switch my party around and reequip.
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The first time I played CT, I only really had problems with three bosses:
Dragon Tank (hadn't adequately prepared)
guardian of the Sunken Desert (can't recall the name); Why did I insist on taking him on the second the SD was accessible?
Golem Sisters
Most of those were due to lack of practice. Nowadays the only one I ever have trouble with is Spekkio's final form, though I usually still beat 'im.
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Spekkio is a bitch to kill for me.
Am I the only one that didn't think the Golem Sisters weren't that tough? I just kinda kept looping their element attacks so they couldn't even get a chance to whip out their stronger attacks...
Chrono Cross would have to be Miguel. Ugh...So much rage and tears in that fight .
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Nothing in Chrono Trigger, but Chrono Cross was Miguel - hands down. He killed me too many times to count.
And I know people have a lot of trouble with Dario, but if you cast colored elemental spells on him (except for black/white) he will always counter with low level status elemental spells instead of his devastating attacks. It takes awhile to defeat him like this but it is the easiest way, and you can do it with a low level party too and get the Mastermune earlier in the game.
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Since my previous post in this thread, I have gotten CTDS, beat Nizbel 1 and several other bosses first try, and hit a roadblock at the Dream Devourer.
The following bosses I had trouble with:
- Magus (Fiendlord battle) - I simply kept going at him, and eventually brought him down.
- Giga Gaia - Seriously, I had to level like crazy to beat him, and get Crono's Frenzy Tech.
- Golem Sisters - I managed to take them down by deciding on an element to use in advance, hit them with it while equipped with a vest/plate aligned with that element and simply just wear them down with as big spells as I had.
- Crimson Shade/Eggsterminator - Holy shit, this was annoying. All I ended up doing for the win was not worry about damaging the Shade and concentrate on taking out that annoying Eggsterminator.
That's just the ones I was eventually able to beat. Some of these guys (Crimson Shade is the only one I haven't fought yet in my NewGame+ run) fell quick thanks to Robo having the Apocalypse Arm and a Dragon's Tear.
Can you say...
FALCON... PUNCH!!!
...at all?
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Heckran is the only one to ever give me any trouble. His health is huge, combined with his complete physical defense and the fact MP that early in the game gets eaten up faster then delicious pie, he becomes dangerous.
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In CT, when I first played it in 95, Heckran, later when I replayed the game, I didn't have much problems.
In CC, any boss that had instead death attacks. I mean seriously, how fair is it that my guys at full health all died in one attack because of it :x Other then that, pretty smooth sailing.
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Heckran is the only one to ever give me any trouble. His health is huge, combined with his complete physical defense and the fact MP that early in the game gets eaten up faster then delicious pie, he becomes dangerous.
I didn't have that much trouble with him. Word of advice. Hit hard, hit fast. Replenish when necessary, and it's in the bag.
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In CT:DS, the Lucca shade gave me a lot of trouble but that was mostly because my current party wasn't particularly suited for that battle. The Nu boss in the Lost Sanctum: Past took quite a while for me to overcome too, and the Dream Devourer actually killed my party the first time I fought it.
In Chrono Cross, Miguel and Dario stand out as the really difficult fights in my memory. Like many others, I had both Lynx AND Harle in my party when I fought Miguel, and that was just painful. If I remember correctly, I even tried to run away but instead of letting me recover and switch out my equipped characters Miguel said something about resisting Fate and re-engaged me! And Dario...OUCH.
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The Nu boss in the Lost Sanctum: Past took quite a while for me to overcome too...
Same here. I managed to avoid dying, and eventually brought him down. Nu Master, when I finally fought him in my NewGame+, wasn't that hard. The only real hard part was getting Robo to FALCON PUNCH him.
...the Dream Devourer actually killed my party the first time I fought it.
Again, same here.
Like many others, I had both Lynx AND Harle in my party when I fought Miguel...
Harle I can understand, but unless you have the Relief Charm (I'm assuming you are NOT playing NewGame+), you can't NOT have Serge in the party (Lynx is still Serge, but the game calls him Lynx) at any time during a regular New Game, even during the Lynx-VS-Party Battle, since you will later discover that Serge and Lynx switched bodies.
If I remember correctly, I even tried to run away but instead of letting me recover and switch out my equipped characters Miguel said something about resisting Fate and re-engaged me!
Now that just sucks. You have my honest sympathy.