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Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Other Topics and the Prerelease => Topic started by: utunnels on December 07, 2008, 04:33:00 pm
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Although I've played Demiforce's translated version for several times, and noticed some differences between it and the original one, but most of them don't change the story much.
In scenario 'The Shadow Realm and the Goddess of Death', things are different. According to the translated version, shadow hunter Magil fought Lilith and eventually won, but then he's counter attacked by Lilith and had to go back into the Shadow Realm with her.
However, in original story, he was sort of cold-blooded. He won the battle, and abandoned his comrades.
I tried to translate some script, but sorry, my English is not that good.
This section is when Magil battles Lilith.
「リリス様を見つけた今となっては、
おまえたちに利用価値はない。命ぐらい
自分で守れ！」
"Since I have already found Lilith, you guys are completely useless to me. Watch out your own lives!"
Kid's souls has solidified into the Fozen Flame. And Magil finally wins the battle.
ギルはするするとその影を巻き取って、
胸にしまった。
Magil rolls the shadow(Lilith) up and puts it under his bosom.
影をしまったギルの懐から、すすり泣き
が聞こえる。
I hears the shadow sobs under Magil's clothes.
「もう、この光あふれる世界を去らねば
ならぬのか？ せめて、ひとめでいい。
朝日が見たかった
」
"Could it be that I can no longer see this bright world? I still want to see the sunrise again..."
「おあきらめ下さい。陛下が首を長くして、
お帰りを待ちわびておられますゆえ」
"Give up that thought. His Majesty is wating for us."
冷たくギルは言った。
Magil says coldly.
影のなかに去ろうとするギル。
He steps towards the shadow...
「待って！ キッドを元に戻して！」
"Wait! Please restore Kid! "
ボクは影に滑り込むギルを、力任せに
引っ張った。
I pull Magil, who's slipping into the shadow.
「それは、おまえの仕事だ。おまえの
想いで、凍りついたキッドの魂を解凍
するんだ」
"That's your own bussiness. Use your affection to thaw the Frozen Flame which holds Kid's soul."
ぶっきらぼうにギルが言った。
Magil says snappishly.
「考えてることのすべてをぶつけろ」
"You'd better give it up."
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Edit*
OK, I will update the topic when I find something new.
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=6362.0 (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=6362.0)
In the secret elevator to the underground:
Translated version:
(choice 1)*"Why bring us here, Kid? Is it fate?"
(choice 2)*"Don't worry, we can't lose, there's no doubt!"
[choice 1]
"...... Fate...? Life...? I don't even know anymore. But with Lynx, nothin's set in stone.
But... sometimes, it feels like there's somethin' inside me, guidin' me... no matter what I do, it won't matter because I know it'll be showin' me what to do next...
Bah, what am I sayin'... crazy talk," Kid says, smiling faintly.
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[choice 2]
"Whatever," Kid says beneath her breath, smiling faintly. "Sayings like those never made much sense to me. There's never a case where there ain't a doubt. Not a single one.
But... thanks, mate."
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Here's the original script and my ugly translation.
Also this might be one of the favorite part of this game, especially the lines which sounds like those in Lucca's letter..
(choice 1) ・何を相手にして？
Who's that opponent？
(choice 2) ・ボクらは必ず勝つよ。
We will certainly win.
[choice 1]
「その戦いの相手というのは、何なの、
キッド？」
"Who's that opponent(were you talking about), Kid?"
「
。
さあ
、何だろ
？
運命
？
人生
？
自分でも、よくわからない
。
でも、ヤマネコとか、そーいった具体的
なヤツじゃ、ないんだ。
うまく言えないんだけど、オレのなか
にもう一人のオレがいて、自分のやって
ることの空しさ、愚かさを、じっと見つめ
てる
、そんな気がするんだ。
おかしな話だよな
」
"....
Ah...who?
Fate...?
Life...?
I'm not sure for myself...
But I didn't mean Lynx or any specific thing.
I can't explain that well...sometimes I feel like there's another myself inside me, it is always watching, quietly, no matter how stupid my actions are...
I feel... it sounds like a funny story..."
そう言って、キッドはかすかな微笑みを
浮かべた。
Kid says with a faint smile on her face.
...............
[choice 2]
「心配いらないよ。
キッドは
、ボクらは、負けない。
勝つよ、必ず！」
"Don't worry.Kid..., we, won't lose. We'll win, certainly!"
「フ
、バカだな」
"You stupid..."
キッドは、やさしく微笑む。
Kid replies with a faint smile.
「この世には、必ずとか絶対とか、
言いきれるものなんか、ないんだよ。
なにひとつ、な。
でも
ありがとう、セルジュ」
"In this world, there's no such things as 'certain' or 'absolute',no one can make such an assertion, no matter who. But....thank you, Serge."
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In scenario 'Homecoming: Shea's Light'.
When they got trapped inside the manor:
Translated:
"We're never gonna get outta here. People have probably been trapped here their whole lives... or longer..."
"Relax, mate. We got enough food here to last us a while."
...Funny, that didn't really relax me very much...
Original:
「一生、この館から出れないだけだ」
"We'll be trapped in this house for the rest of our lives."
「あんまりうれしくない結果だな」
"That's not a pleasant result."
「安心しろ、飯抜きの一生なんて一週間
くらいで終わる」
"Relax, a life without food won't be longer than a week(will end in a week, literally)."
安心できない
...How can I relax...
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This is when they meet Mirror of Whispers for the last time, right after Kid scares Serge's heck out of him by saying that Lynx is in that room.
You'll see the mirror invites Kid first, who thinks for a while and lets Serge go first(really wicked IMO...). And in fact, Serge is not pulled in at all, the mirror kills herself instead.
Translated
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"Ah, Master Serge. Is there something I can answer for you?" the statue asks in a pleasant voice. "Or, perhaps, you'd be interested in this lovely gift I have for you?"
"Huh? A gift?"
"Only a modest token of my appreciation for you and your comrades. I present you with a personal invitation into the Realm of the Looking Glass, if you are interested."
"Wow, really?"
"Yes, but we must hurry. Time is of the essence."
I look towards the dark, rippling surface of the mirror. Slowly, I reach my hand out towards it.
It feels like my hand is being submerged in water, passing straight into the mirror...
Suddenly, there's a slight pull. I try to retract my arm, but the harder I pull, the further I seem to be getting drawn in...
"Master Serge! Take your hand out, quickly!!"
Just then, a crack streaks across the mirror!
"What's... going on!?"
Amidst my struggling, I see a crack start to streak down the mirror's glass...
"Save yourself, Master Serge... Please, before I am forced to consume you..."
"What!?"
Kid starts pulling with me, despite the increasing force drawing me in! I'm now up to my shoulder in this thing!
"On the count of three," I yell!
"One, two, three!!"
We tumble backwards, falling onto the couch. I look at my arm in a daze. It's fine.
Shaking myself off, I return to the mirror, now even more cracked since I last saw it.
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Original
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「まあ！ そんなことおっしゃられたら、
お連れの方が気を悪くされますわよ」
"Oh! You have an ill sense of humour. "
ビーナスがいたずらっぽく笑う。
Venus laughs mischievously.
「なんだって？」
"What?"
ピクっとキッドの表情が、こわばった。
Kid responses with a stiffened face.
「なんでオレが、怒るんだよ！？」
"Why me!?(You enraged me)"
「そう熱くならないでくださいませ。
皆様に、素敵なプレゼントがございます
のよ」
"Don't be so sensitive.
I have a nice gift for everyone."
「プレゼント？」
"Gift?"
「と言ってもささやかな物ですけれど。
鏡のなかを、体験していただくのも一
興かと思いまして」
"Although it might be too trivial to metion.
But it'll be an interesting experience visiting the Mirror Realm."
「鏡の国に招待してくれるってのか？」
"You invite us to the Mirror Realm?"
キッドはちょっと乗り気のようだ。
Kid asks curiously.
「お時間はとらせませんわ。
さあ、キッド様。どうぞ
」
"We have limited time.
So, Master Kid. Please..."
鏡面が水のように波うった。
The mirror ripples like the water surface.
キッドは言われるまま、鏡の表面に手
を伸ばしかけ、ふとその手を止めた。
Hearing that, Kid extends her hand towards the mirror,
but suddenly, she stops.
少しの間なにか考えるようにした後、
キッドは手を引っ込めてしまった。
She thinks for a while, then retrieves her hand back.
「セルジュ、ゆずるよ。
おまえ、鏡のお気に入りだしな」
"Serge, I'll leave this chance to you(I give up, literaly).
It seems you are more interested by that mirror."
「え、ほんと？ いいの？」
ボクはキッドに聞いた。
"Oh really?"
I ask Kid.
キッドが首を縦にふったので、ボクは
わくわくしながら鏡に手をあてた。
Kid nods her head, so I extend my hand to the mirror.
ひんやりした水のような感触だ。
It feels like the cold water surface.
「セルジュ様、いけない！！」
"Mr Serge, no!!"
とつぜん鏡にヒビが走る！
A crack appears on the mirror.
「
！！
これは
！？」
"....!!
what...!?"
鏡の中でビーナスが、涙を流していた。
Venus sobs in the mirror, tears run down her face.
「わたくしは
、ヤマネコの手下です」
"I am...I'm a servant of Lynx."
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Some cat stuff. Those are not that important to the story though, but I think they are interesting to metion.
In Esmeld's room.
In the original script, Kid throws the knife at Esmeld, Esmeld blocks it with his book and tosses it back, Kid catches the knife, then...
キッドの目つきが変わる。注意深く獲物
を観察する猫のそれになった。
Kid's expression changes, like a cat who's staring at its prey vigilantly.
At the tea table.
ふと、キッドの方を見ると、カップに息を
吹きかけている。
キッドは思いっ切り猫舌だから、すぐに
は飲めない。
I glances at Kid, whe's blowing into the tea cup, like a cat that's licking hot food carefully.
In a Goblin battle.
バチ！
一種の猫だましだ。思った通り、ゴブリ
ンの手の力が弛む。
[Serge slaps into the Goblin's face.]
This is a trick of cat. But as I expected, the Goblin looses its grasp.
About Kitsune Forest.
Kitsune means fox in Japanese(foxes are famous protagonists in oriental legends, like ghost stories.).
The original name in the script is キツネコブタ, which is an interesting word.
キツネ/Kitsune means fox.
ネコ/Neko means cat.
ブタ/Buta means pig.
But I don't know the exactly meaning of this word, but of course, it is sort of animal.
This world is used not only for the name of that forest, though. When Kid sees the old lady in the clock tower storage room disappears, she's surprised. The scripts says:
キッドは、きょとんとキツネコブタにつま
まれたような顔をしていた。
The (surprised) expression on Kid's face looks like she's caught by a kitsunekobuta(キツネコブタ) .
In scenerio 'Giga Weapon Paradise X', when they return from the Arena.
ボクは、なんだかキツネコブタにつまま
れたような気分だ。
I feel as if we got caught by a kitsunekobuta just now.
IMO, 'get caught by a kitsunekobuta' is something like 'meet a ghost' or 'see an illusion'.
(In some oriental tales, a traveller finds a house in the mountain and gets invited by the host, by after he wakes up, he finds himself sleeping on the ground, there's no house at all, we can say he meets a 'fox/kitsune').
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In the torture chamber, when you choose to stab the ceiling with the Einlanzer...
In translated version, congratulations, you die.
"Okay! Let's smash the ceiling!" I shout, swinging the sword over my head!
The wooden structure shatters from the huge sword's impact! A number of rusty blades are now in free-fall, headed straight for us!!
I try to protect myself, but the dozens of tiny razor sharp blades painfully tear into me!
In original version, you won't die immediately, instead, you lose 10 HP.
「よし、この剣で天井を打ち砕いてや
る！！」
"OK, let's break the ceiling with this sword!!"
ボクは、剣を上に突き上げた！
I thrust upward fiecely with the sword.
ガガガ
！！
[Sound of metal collision]
天井から突き出た無数の刃にはねと
ばされ、ボクは床に転がった！
But it's deflected by countless blades in the ceiling, and I fall on the ground.
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Mouth of Truth.
In original script, the lipstick has special usage.
.......
「オレの口紅～っ！！」
"My lipstick!!"
真っ赤に艶めく髭老人の唇に、キッド
の怒りが大爆発する。
Seeing the red lips of the beard-oldman, Kid explodes in anger.
「いいじゃないか、キッド、お化粧なんて
しないんだから」
"What's wrong, Kid, isn't that how cosmetics are used for?"
「その紅はなぁ、迷いやすい道とかで、
マーキングに使うんだよ！」
"This lipstick is used for drawing marks just in case we lose our way."
.......
Also the file, it is not a nail file.
「命の次に大事な、７つ道具のヤスリ
がーーーーッ！！！」
"As one of the 7 tools, only life is more important than that file!!!"
And after you put the hand shaped plate into the Mouth of Truth, it begins to mutter.
Surely, it means those strange symbols written on the plate.
これこそ、まさに大宇宙の究極の真理
...This is it, the ultimate truth of the universe...
Then it swallows the plate, Magil says:
「この世の真理に、さすがの真実の口も舌を巻いたみたいだな」
"Seeing the truth of the world, even the Mouth of Truth will coil its tongue up. "
ギルが、冗談とも本気ともつかないことを、まじめな口調で言う。
Even when making a joke like this, Magil still uses his usual serious tone.
「この世の真理だって？ あの象形文字
が？ しくじった！ うつしとっときゃ
高く売れたかもしれないのに！」
"The truth of the world? Those pictograph characters? Damn it! We could sell it for a high price!"
悔しそうにキッドがパチッと、指を鳴らす。
Kid says, snapping her fingers, regrettably.
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Well, that's disturbing. Did you notice any other differences?
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There are a lot of differences, but it is pointless to list them all. Even official translation won't keep everything the same.
Maybe I will post them when I remember something interesting.
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Hope you do, this stuff is really interesting for me.
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http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=6362.0 (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=6362.0)
Also I checked this section,.
Translated version:
(choice 1)*"Why bring us here, Kid? Is it fate?"
(choice 2)*"Don't worry, we can't lose, there's no doubt!"
[choice 1]
"...... Fate...? Life...? I don't even know anymore. But with Lynx, nothin's set in stone.
But... sometimes, it feels like there's somethin' inside me, guidin' me... no matter what I do, it won't matter because I know it'll be showin' me what to do next...
Bah, what am I sayin'... crazy talk," Kid says, smiling faintly.
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[choice 2]
"Whatever," Kid says beneath her breath, smiling faintly. "Sayings like those never made much sense to me. There's never a case where there ain't a doubt. Not a single one.
But... thanks, mate."
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Here's the original script and my ugly translation.
Also this might be one of the favorite part of this game, especially the lines which sounds like those in Lucca's letter..
(choice 1) ・何を相手にして？
Who's that opponent？
(choice 2) ・ボクらは必ず勝つよ。
We will certainly win.
[choice 1]
「その戦いの相手というのは、何なの、
キッド？」
"Who's that opponet (were you talking about), Kid?"
「
。
さあ
、何だろ
？
運命
？
人生
？
自分でも、よくわからない
。
でも、ヤマネコとか、そーいった具体的
なヤツじゃ、ないんだ。
うまく言えないんだけど、オレのなか
にもう一人のオレがいて、自分のやって
ることの空しさ、愚かさを、じっと見つめ
てる
、そんな気がするんだ。
おかしな話だよな
」
"....
Ah...who?
Fate...?
Life...?
I'm not sure for myself...
But I didn't mean Lynx or any specific thing.
I can't explain that well...sometimes I feel like there's another myself inside me, it is always watching, quietly, no matter how stupid my actions are...
I feel... it sounds like a funny story..."
そう言って、キッドはかすかな微笑みを
浮かべた。
Kid says with a faint smile on her face.
...............
[choice 2]
「心配いらないよ。
キッドは
、ボクらは、負けない。
勝つよ、必ず！」
"Don't worry.Kid..., we, won't lose. We'll win, certainly!"
「フ
、バカだな」
"You stupid..."
キッドは、やさしく微笑む。
Kid replies with a faint smile.
「この世には、必ずとか絶対とか、
言いきれるものなんか、ないんだよ。
なにひとつ、な。
でも
ありがとう、セルジュ」
"In this world, there's no such things as 'certain' or 'absolute',no one can make such an assertion, no matter who. But....thank you, Serge."
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You quoted Choice 1 in the Demiforce translation twice.
"Whatever," Kid says beneath her breath, smiling faintly. "Sayings like
those never made much sense to me. There's never a case where there ain't a
doubt. Not a single one.
But... thanks, mate."
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Ah, thank you.
I shall use preview before post. lol
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The Schala personality is much more evident in the original. This is fascinating. Do you mind if it's moved to Other Topics and the Prerelease? I guess the analysis forums can be a graveyard, but that'll definitely ensure it gets analyzed in the next Review.
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Do you mind if it's moved to Other Topics and the Prerelease?
Yeah, that sounds good.
There are too many boards here...
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The Schala personality is much more evident in the original. This is fascinating. Do you mind if it's moved to Other Topics and the Prerelease? I guess the analysis forums can be a graveyard, but that'll definitely ensure it gets analyzed in the next Review.
Indeed, this is quite radical. Perhaps we should work on a retranslation from the original as well.
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OK, I'll update the top post instead.
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Interesting... In the readme.txt, DemiForce says he altered some details to make the game flow better in English and to localize the jokes and humor. It probably worked well globally, but I guess a few quirks and parallels with Chrono Cross were blurred in the process.
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Hmm, maybe that's just a coincidence.
In scenerio 'Magil: Caught Between Love and Adventure', Kid once calls herself "美少女怪盗キッド"(pretty phantom thief Kid).
Well, someone might already know:
Phantom Thief Kid, known in Japan as Kaitou Kid (怪盗キッド Kaitō Kiddo) is a fictional character created by Gosho Aoyama. The character appears in the Case Closed (Detective Conan) anime/manga and the Magic Kaitou manga series.
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Coil its tongue up?
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Wow, this is rather interesting.
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Coil its tongue up?
Literaly...
It means 'very surprised'(marveled or something like that)
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嵐の海の一瞬をそのまま結晶化させた
様な逸品であるが、美しさよりはむしろ
その生々しさ、凄惨さがきわだっていた。
It looks just like the storming sea frozen(solidified) in time, very exquisitely crafted .
It is more realistic and dreary/tragic than beautiful.
I'm just reading this section, the treasure room in scenario 'Home Coming: Shea's Light'.
It reminds me of the Dead Sea.
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I don't know how to say about this section.
Remeber the corpse in the 'dead sea'? Right, there's only one corpse, not a group of them.
It is the control center of the trap(Siren and the sea).
At last, Serge smashes its head, or he figures it out and let Magil blow it up(based on what choice you make), everything returns to normal(the storming sea is solidified again, and the Siren stops moving).
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It's a new article: http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Radical_Dreamers_Translation_Differences.html
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Cool. Thanks for putting those scattered things in order.
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The Schala personality is much more evident in the original. This is fascinating. Do you mind if it's moved to Other Topics and the Prerelease? I guess the analysis forums can be a graveyard, but that'll definitely ensure it gets analyzed in the next Review.
Indeed, this is quite radical. Perhaps we should work on a retranslation from the original as well.
I would be extremely interested in reading/playing that. Of course, I think a Chrono Cross Retranslation Project would be time better spent, but, since I can neither translate or insert translated text into a game, I guess I shouldn't complain.
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Well, battle descriptions contains most differences, but since those have less to do with the story line itself, maybe we can ignore them, if they cause the same result...
Still, discuss them just for fun.
One of them is in the battle with Lynx:
Translated:
With as much power as she can muster, Kid kicks at Lynx, sweeping him off his feet!
"Hah!"
Spitting blood, Kid coughs a little, but still, a smile manages to come through her agony.
Original
力の限りにキッドを蹴りつけるヤマネコ！
Lynx kicks Kid with all his strength!
「ぐあ
！！」
"Ahh....!!"
血を吐いて、転がるキッド！
Kid rolls on the ground, spitting bood.
It seems that's just a simple mistranslation. That sentence is 'Kid who's kicked by Lynx with all his strength...' literally, an upside-down expression might cause confusion. Or the translator has his own wish to punish Lynx a bit more.
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The demon summons a crowd of rats:
From behind me, I start to hear noises. A few moments later, I see some sort of creatures scurrying along the ground, running towards us in masses.
They're giant rats!!
ふいに通路の奥がざわめきはじめた。
There's some noises in the far end of the corridor.
何かが駆けて来る。
Something is coming.
不快な動物の臭いが鼻を刺激する。
I can smell an aweful stink from animals.
どぶネズミ、クマネズミ、ハツカネズミ
ハムスター、モルモット、リス
Rats, roof rats, house mice, hamsters, Guinea pigs, squirrels...
「げっ歯類の大群
？？」
"A large crowd of rodents...??"
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Below is about Magil's combat skill
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I'm think about how to give 'kakuya' a proper translation.
Translated
Magil, faced with two goblins of his own, has already managed to reduce one to a bloody mess on the floor. The remaining beast looks as though it's already received its share of dents and bruises as well.
Even with no physical weapons of any kind, Magil looks as though he's having no trouble pulverizing the enemy with hand-to-hand tactics.
Original
先ほどまで２匹を相手にしていたが、
すでに一匹は床に倒れ、残る奴と対峙して
いた。
Magil who fought 2 foes, now has already beaten one of them to the ground, and is now facing to another.
ゴブリンの身に付けている鉄の鎧に、数
多くのへこみが見られる。
And that goblin's iron armor already has several dents on it
ギルは、武器を持たない。かぐや流の格
闘術を持って敵を粉砕する。故に、倒され
た相手は全身紫色だ。キッドは、真っ赤
にするけど
。
Magil fights without weapons. His ''Kakuya Martial art" can crush foes in the way.
So, that fallen goblin is purple all over, while the one beaten by Kid is red(bloody stained)...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE)
This page is about the second Japanese lunar orbiter spacecraft SELENE(aka, kaguya/かぐや).
Also, you can check the Japanese wiki: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%8B%E3%81%90%E3%82%84 (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%8B%E3%81%90%E3%82%84)
The orbiter's nickname, Kaguya, which was selected by the general public, derives from the name of a lunar princess in the ancient Japanese folktale The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter. After the successful release of its sub-satellites Rstar and Vstar, they were named Okina and Ouna, also from folklore.
BTW:
That lunar princess from 竹取物語/Tale of the Bamboo Cutter is called 'かぐや姫'(princess kaguya), which is '煇夜姫' when written in kanji. 煇 means light, 夜 means night.
I search in wiki again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_the_Bamboo_Cutter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_the_Bamboo_Cutter)
Kaguya-hime (かぐや姫 "radiant-night princess").
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Back to RD, it's used in another place, as a skill name of Magil: かぐや魔殺光輪蹴り, which is translated as Lunachant Ringforce Kick(a cool translation IMO). Maybe the literal meaning is Luna(かぐや) Demon Slaying(魔殺) Gloriole(光輪) Kick(蹴), a way too long.
I found the page in the compendium http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Magic_(Radical_Dreamers).html (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Magic_(Radical_Dreamers).html)
Yeah, the incantation translation is good.
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Another detail about Magil's combat skill:
In the translated version, Magil use a light bolt in a certain skeleton battle.
All of a sudden, Magil sends a bolt of light streaking out, precisely above my head where the skull is!
It instantly explodes, sending fragments of the skull into my hands and head!
"Aaaahhh!"
In fact, it is a heel kick(axe kick).
バキッ！！
paaa!!
ギルのかかと落としが、ボクの脳天に
炸裂した。
Magil's axe kick explodes above my head.
「ガハッ！」
"Ahh!"
The skeleton's skull shatters of course, but the description is in next paragraph, I didn't write it down.
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This is really interesting... Huge changes! Thanks a ton, utunnels!
It might be kind of interesting if the 'future' Magus in CTDS turned out to be based off of the mean, cold Magil in The Shadow Realm and the Goddess of Death...
...stupid as that sounds.
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Yeah, probably.
But I have a feeling that besides the main story line, other scenarios are just Serge's "dream". Although it is not pointed out in game(yeah, Kato won't make it clear even if he did has the idea, I guess 一_一), but those scenarios all begain with a scene that Serge feels sleepy.
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Hmm, I noticed this when i check the map on gamefaps, a certain branch is flipped left-right.
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After a while, the path splits into three directions. To the left is a descending staircase, while the path on the right extends into darkness. Another passageway lies ahead...
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テラスから左側へのびる通路を進んで
ゆくと、階段と別れ道にぶつかった。
We goes along the lefter path extends from the terrace, soon, we see a branch.
右には下に降りる階段、左には暗い
脇道、そして通路は、まだ先にと延びて
いる
。
To the right is a descending stairway, to the left is a dark passage. Ahead of use, the passage extends continually...
About the goblins.
Yeah, goblins all have a pet phrase.
At first I thought they were calling each other...
I don't know whether it is worthy to metion, because Kid uses 'mate' quite often in the translated version like in CC which does not exist in the original script.
Goblins like to add a 'gobu', or 'bubu', or 'gobubu' or 'gobulu' ... at the end of their lines.
For example, the goblin captain in the sunflower scenario:
「そうか
ゴブ。
おめえの親友が捕まってんのかゴブ
わかったゴブ、必ず助けだしてやるゴブ！
安心しろゴブ！」
"I see...gobu.
So your good friend got caught gobu...
I understand gobu, I'll help you gobu!
Don't worry gobu!"
Scenario 'Home Coming: Shea's Light'.
Well, I like to call her Shae instead of Shea...
"I've waited a century for this moment, to put an end to Lynx," Magil says...
I got comfused here, well, if so, Magil(or Lynx) is really old or he must mean another thing...
Yeah, in fact, he's telling Shae to wait for another 100 years...(remind me of Dracula, lol)
Mortified, Kid is unable to say a word.
"Thank you for hearing me. The truth is known, finally. Now please, save yourself, my precious... little... Kid..."
Kids takes a deep breath, staring at the shiny jewel she's been seeking for so long.
"I choose... I choose to end it," she says solemnly.
"Place it on the ground before you," says Magil. Kid does so, and not long after, Magil's thick voice begins to echo out an incantation.
Looking over at him, an arc of magic streaks out from his fingertips towards the Flame! The scarlet jewel takes on a strange, dark color, as it begins to hum louder and louder...
Shea smiles upon seeing this.
"Thank you... thank you for setting me free...
"I've waited a century for this moment, to put an end to Lynx," Magil says, smiling broadly. "And now... it is finished."
As the Flame continues to glow darker and darker with its new hollow, grey aura, Magil shouts "Serge, take cover, and hold Kid to you! The Flame is losing stability!!"
.....................
..................
............
......
...
I can't remember what happened next very clearly...
The magic seal's radiance...
Lynx's contorted screams...
Magil invoking his magic...
...Shea's comforting smile.
And...
...a tear rolling down Kid's cheek.
When I come to, I find that I'm lying on the ground, holding Kid tightly to me, rubbing the soot out of my eyes. How long have I been laying here?
Our clothes have been tattered, and our bodies have sustained more than their fair share of bruises. But... we're all right.
It looks like Magil was thrown over to the opposite side of the room. He lays there silently, exhausted of all energy, fast asleep.
「シェア！
ヤマネコのヤローは、まだ確かにハラ
ペコなんだな？」
"Shae,!
Why not stop Lynx's terror once for all?"
突然、静寂を破り、ギルの胴間声が響く！
Suddenly, Magil's loud voice breaks the silence.
見ると、今まで一心不乱に魔法陣に何
かを書き加えていた
らしい。
He was concentrating on drawing new symbols to the magic field just now.
それを聞いたシェアの顔が一瞬怪訝そ
うに傾き
Hearing that, a surprised expression appears on Shae 's face...
そして、にっこりと、とても晴れ晴れ
とした笑みを浮かべた。
Then, she gives a cheerful smile.
「有り難う、ギル。
あなたには、結局、世話になり放しで
すね
」
"Thank you Magil, for freeing me from all of those..."
ギルは今まで見せたことのない見事な
笑みで応える。
This is the first time I see Magil smiles.
「あと百年くらい、待ちな。
あっちで『生き返るほど』取り立てて
やる！
と、セルジュ！」
"Wait for another hundred years.
Wait there for 'resurection'!
....and, Serge!"
部外者のような気になっていたボクは
突然名を呼ばれて飛び上がった。
I'm in deep thought when he calls my name.
「今から、『反魂の呪』を強制的に立ち
上げる！
ヤマネコの魂を、まだ準備の出来てな
いぼろぼろの身体に、強制的に還す！
だから、
」
"Now, I will compel to execute the 'anti-soul spell'!
Lynx's soul will be forced back into his unprepared, broken body!
...so.... "
「ギルっ！てめぇ！
そんなことをしたらシェアまで
！」
"Magil! You bastard!
If so, even Shae's soul will....!"
キッドがはっと正気づく。
Kid shouts angrily.
「だから、セルジュ！
邪魔しないようにキッドをしっかり押
さえとけ！」
"So, Serge!
You MUST prevent Kid to intervene at all costs!"
その後のことを、ボクは良く憶えて
いない。
I don't remember what happened exactly.
魔法陣のきらめき。
The shining magic field.
ひしゃげるようなヤマネコの叫び声。
Lynx's twisted screaming.
印を結ぶギルの黒い巨躯。
Magil's tall black figure who is drawing the magic seal.
シェアの微笑み。
Shae's smile.
そして、
and
キッドの涙。
.......Kid's tears.
気が付くと、ボクは目を真っ赤に泣き
はらしたキッドを抱えぐったりしていた。
Later, I hug Kid who's eyes are red after weeping, completely tired out.
服のあちこちに裂け目が、身体のあち
こちに切り傷が、ボクにもキッドにもた
くさんあった。
We are both wounded and tattered.
ギルは向こうの床で、精根尽き果てた
のかぐっすりと眠り込んでいる。
Magil lies on the far end of the floor, sleeping, he must have used the last of his strength.
The scene about Lynx's death.
I don't know how to translate '精気', I use vigor anyway, it is something different with soul. Maybe we can call it spirit, but that usually has similar meaning with soul...
Demiforce version. It's more detailed, but it doesn't explain the strangeness of the corpse well IMO.
As expected, these are Lynx's quarters.
Or should I say, `were'...
Staring at the sight before our eyes, all I can do is gasp in silence, half surprised, half terrified.
To put it simply, Lynx is quite certainly in this room.
...However, not as we expected.
Lynx's corpse has been hastily stashed in the couch on the far end of the room. Only his mangled hand is visible, sticking out from beneath a cushion.
Kid goes over and slowly lifts up one of the cushions.
I don't know if it's the smell or the sight that makes her gag. But yes, it's definitely Lynx under there.
I never expected any of this when I came here tonight. I mean, rumors of Lord Lynx's reign have been going around as strong as ever. Although when I think about it, his reputation alone could probably carry on such a regime. I wonder how long it's been since this happened...
"It can't be. That genocidal, terror-driven maniac... he burnt the temple and abducted Shea... how can he be dead already? I wanted my revenge...!" Kid mutters, tears swelling in her eyes.
Shea... hmm... where have I heard that name before...
"No one knows Lynx is dead except for us... We must be the first ones to find out about it."
"...Heh, or maybe not," Kid adds.
Her attempt at humor only succeeds in causing my feeling of dread to grow even stronger...
..................
............
......
...
"Strange..."
Magil kneels down and lifts off the cushions, examining the corpse as though he was a coroner.
"Hey, I always liked a nice firm seat," Kid says, pretending to sit down on it.
Enough with the bad jokes already, Kid...
"This corpse has no life-essence," Magil continues.
"Isn't that how corpses usually are?" I ask.
"Generally, yes. When a person dies, one's consciousness, or spirit, is separated from the body. Normally, as the spirit leaves the body, the corpse will crumble over time. However, in this case, this corpse is aged, but it has not even started to crumble at all yet. It is merely without moisture."
"Lynx's spirit has not yet been released."
"So that means..."
"Yes, his spirit is still here, probably somewhere within this mansion."
Magil seems unusually disturbed by all this. First the phantom, then that whole siren thing, now this... even he's having trouble keeping his cool.
We're in over our heads.
"Lynx was apparently slain by a blade," Magil says, pointing to a gash in his belly.
Looking around, he finds the murder weapon. It's a bloody sword, stashed behind a chair. "An Acacian sword... interesting."
Magil tries to remain focused, racking his brain for information.
"If a body and its spirit have been detached in this manner, the body will yearn for its spirit. It will transform into a sort of bottomless well, endlessly seeking spirits until it finds its own."
"What does that have to do with us? ...Oh," Kid says solemnly.
Something's happening...
This room, no, the whole house... all around us, the walls are starting to creak...
There's something in here, waiting for us. I can feel it on the back of my neck.
I whip around with my knife ready, but nothing's there.
Suddenly, something grabs my arm! Oh no, get it off me! I whip around again, but it's only Kid!
"Get a grip, mate! It's just me!"
Phew...
"We've got the Flame. Lynx is dead. Why do we even need to be here anymore!? Come on, let's go!" she shouts. She's right, screw this place!
"If we can get out of here at all," Magil adds, standing up.
And then, the walls begin to creak again. We look around...
The lights flicker. Don't go out... Please, God, don't go out...
"...Kid..."
We instantly whip around. The voice is coming from the mirror!
"Finally... you have come."
...That girl... the one from before... It's her! She's here, faintly floating within the mirror!
Original script
果たして、そこはヤマネコ大君の部屋
だった。
この場合の『だった』は真の意味での
過去形であり
何を言ってるんだボクは
つまり、えと、いかん、気が動転して
言葉が形を成さない
つまり、ヤマネコ大君は、確かにこの
部屋にいるのだ。
ただし、死体の状態で。
どこかの騎士と相打ちになった様子で。
「
ば、バカな
奴が死んでたなんて
噂にすら聞いたこと無い
」
キッドの言うとおりだ。
ヤマネコ程の人間のなら普通、何につ
けても噂のタネにされるものだ。
まして、本人の生死に関することなら、
いやでもボクらの耳に入ってきてる筈
逆にこうして死体が捨て置かれている
のに、そんな噂が全く聞かれないなんて、
考えられない
「うそだろ、おい、ヤマネコ
領民大虐殺の極悪人が
シェアを奪った張本人が
とっくに死んでたなんて、
反則だぜ
」
キッドが呆然として、呟いている。
「今まで誰も、この死体を見つけられな
かったなんて事は
無い
よね」
「
見つけた奴が、誰一人戻らなかっ
ただけかもな」
キッドが重苦しい雰囲気を振り払うつ
もりで言ったらしいこの軽口は、完全に
逆効果だった。
しゃ、シャレになってない
ボクらは、何となくおし黙ってしまう。
「おかしい」
化学者的な冷たい熱意でヤマネコの死
体を観察していたギルが、静寂を破る。
「確かに笑える死にざまだよな、うん」
キッドが、わだかまる瘴気を振り払う
ようにワザと軽く受け流す。
しかし、いつもの事ながら、ギルはそ
のまま無機質な調子で続けた。
「この死体には、精気がない」
「死んでるんだから、当たり前だろ？」
ボクは、ギルがいったい何を言いたい
のか分からなかった。
「普通、死ぬと意識と意志――魂――が
身体から離れる。
しかし、精気は身体の一部だ。
普通、身体に残って、死体が崩れるに
従ってゆるゆると拡散する」
「でもよ、ずいぶんと古い死体だぜ。
全部、散っちまったんじゃないの？」
キッドは、もう、早くこの部屋から出
て行きたげだ。
「この死体には、
精気のカケラすら残っていない。
いや、
かつて精気が満ちていた痕跡すら、見
あたらない。
ここまで徹底的に精気が抜けるには
」
ギルは珍しく困惑しているらしい。
「ヤマネコと相打ちになってるこの騎士
がバンパイヤだったとか
」
ボクは乏しい魔導系の知識をふり絞っ
てみる。
幽霊少女に機械の人魚。無人の館に主
の死体が転がる、か
ボクもキッドと同じく、もうここから
出ていきたかった。
しかし、ギルはそんなボクらに気付か
ないのか、気付いて自分の興味を優先し
ているのか
「いや、バンパイヤなら精気は根こそぎ
だが、魂は身体から離れない。
そして、死んで底抜けになった身体に
精気を注ぎ込もうとして、自分も夜な
夜な犠牲者を求めるようになる
」
「じれったいな～
この死体は、魂も精気もすっからかん
だと。
で、だからどうだってわけ？
何か困ること、あるの？」
キッドがじれて、ギルを睨む。
キッドの感じているものが、ボクにも
何となく分かった。
何か、変だ。
この部屋、いや、館全体が。
がらんとして、人の生活している様子
などまるでないのに、しかし、今思うと
館全体に強力な意志を感じる。
ただの、幽霊屋敷では、無い
らしい
「凍てついた炎は手に入れた。
ヤマネコの野郎も死んでた。
もう、こんなところにいる理由なんて、
毛の先程もない！
とっとと出ようぜ」
キッドが再三叫ぶ。
「
出られたらな
」
キッドに陰気に応えたギルの相貌は、
奥の壁に作りつけの大きな鏡に向けられ
ていた。
「
キッド
来て
とうとう
来てしまったのね
」
！
あの娘、だ
古風な僧服に身を包んだ
とても悲しげな
「彼女は、どうやら俺らに行って欲しく
ないらしいな
」
My translation.
As I expected, this is Lynx's room.
Or, may I say 'used to be'......
Why......
Anyway, no words can express how surprised I am now...
First of all, Lynx is in this room.
....But, he's dead.
It seems there was a fight occured here.
"Ah....fool....why didn't you notify us before you died...."
...Saids Kid.
Lynx is not a nobody, there are rumours about him even in ordinary days, let alone his death, such an important event...
But, there's not any information about it at all.
But, then I realize, the corpse is still here, that means nobody has discovered it, so there can't be any rumours about it...
"Impossible, sigh, Lynx...you genocidal murderer..the one who abducted Shae...how could you die that early, you cheater..."
Kid mutters, stands there dazed.
"Perhaps by now...nobody has discovered this...corpse..."
"....Or, the one who found it did not manage to leave here alive."
Maybe Kid wants to make a joke about it to remove the depressing atmosphere, but only results an exactly opposite effect.
Coult it be, Shae...
We all become silent suddenly.
....................................................
..................................
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..........
"Interesting."
Magil, who was examining the corpse with great interests and ardor like a Chemist, breaks the silence suddenly.
"The corpse looks really funny, hmm."
Kid says, while stepping aside like she's avoiding the miasma.
But , as usual, Magil continues with his scholar like tone.
"This corpse, has no vigor."
"As a corpse, what do you expect it to have?"
I don't know what Magil wants to say.
"Usually, one's mind and thought--the soul--will leave the body after the owner dies. But vigor is part of the body too, they will evaporate bit by bit as the corpse is rotting away."
"So, that means he's dead for a long time, so that v..what...has evaporated completely?"
"This corpse, has no vigor left at all, nor signs for that it used to have any vigor, it vanished completely...."
...even Magil feels curious and confused.
"The one who fought Lynx, might be a Vampire..."
My knowledge about mystery is really limited now.
The ghost girl, the robotic mermaid(siren), and this strange corpse of Lynx, ehh...
Now I eager to leave here too like Kid.
But, it seems Magil doesn't notice our response at all, he still has strong interests with that corpse...
"If it was a Vampire, yes, the vigor will be completely drained, but the soul will not leave the body. And in order to replenish the lost vigor, he will go finding new victims evey night... "
"How boring, you want to say, this corpse has neither soul nor vigor, don't you? But, what's the matter? I don't understand, what do you want to do?"
Kid stares at Magil, impatiently.
My thought is similar to Kid's. There are too many strange things happening here, in the room, oh, the whole manor.
There's no sign of living creatures here, but I can still sense strong mind in this house.
This is, a haunted house...maybe...
"We already have the Frozen Flame, and that bastard Lynx is dead. We have no reason to stay here anymore, let's go."
Kid urges him.
"....don't leave..."
Hearing that, Kid stares at Magil with a clouded face, but then she looks at the gaint mirror on the wall instead.
"...Kid....
You...
have come....you have finally come here...."
......!
...that girl...
shrouded in a worn-out old-style monastery robe...
she looks really sad...
"It seems, she doesn't want us to leave..."
Those lines are their talk right before they meet the Devil Circle(Blood Circle, in original JPN version).
Serge asks Kid why she wants the Frozen Flame, and Kid replies with her past.
What is 'the temple'? Maybe the author means that orphanage, well, if Kid is talking about Lucca, it must be that...
Demiforce version.
.................
I don't know what she meant by that, but after what happened at the temple, I vowed to get my revenge, and honor what she wanted."
I stay silent, not knowing what kind of reply to offer.
"I shoulda talked more about it before, before I got you involved in everything, I guess," she says after a while.
"It's bad, Serge..."
......
Original
..................
でも
姉ちゃんがさらわれ、二度と帰って来
ないと知った時、オレは誓ったんだ。
ヤマネコの野郎からあの石を盗みだし、
姉ちゃんのかたきを討つって」
キッドの右眼が、闇の中で冷たく燃え
上がった。
「ヤツに、自分のしでかしたことの償い
を、させてやる！！
オレの命にかえても
。
どんな代償をはらっても
！」
キッドはそれだけ言うと、口を閉ざして、
黙りこんでしまう
。
「ゴメン
、キッド。
ヘンなこと、聞いちゃって
」
しばらくして、キッドは応えた。
「いや
、いいんだ。
ほんとは、もっと前に話しておくべきだっ
た。おまえを巻き込んでしまう前に」
「悪かったな、セルジュ
」
。
ボクには、なんと応えればいいのか、
わからなかった
。
足音ばかりが、暗い通路をわたって
行く
。
My translation.
but.....
when Sis was abducted and never returned again, I swore .....
Take the Frozen Flame from that bastard Lynx, and avenge Sis."
Cold light sparkles in Kid's right eye.
"That bastard, he must pay for all he has done!!
Even if trade with my own life....
I will make him pay...!"
Kid says, suddenly, she become quiet。。。
"I'm sorry, Kid....
I understand now..."
After a little while, Kid replies:
"Nothing...I'm OK.
Those things, I should tell you earlier, before you were involved in."
"It's really bad, Serge...."
......
I don't know how to reply...
Only footsteps are left in the dark passage, again....
BTW, In original script, Kid's right eye is metioned many times. Yes, she was like that when she was a child.
Time passes. After the fire has burnt the building to the ground, the mirror shifts focus to a small girl covered in soot, crying behind the charred remains of her home. She lets loose a bloodcurdling scream into the open sky, as her right eye narrows like a cat's...
I'll quote the water dragon isle script form CC. Reading it give me a very familiar feeling. :P
Kid:
...Where am I?
I fainted, eh?
Kid:
Sorry...
Did I wake you up?
I had a bad dream.
Kid:
Seein' that fairy's eyes
filled with tears over
losin' her friends...
That must've triggered
memories of me own past.
Kid:
I was an orphan...
I was abandoned
when I was a baby...
Kid:
There was someone who took
me in and raised me as if I
were her own little sister...
I'm alive here today
thanks to her.
Kid:
There were a lot of others
like me at Sis's place,
and...
she was always makin'
strange stuff...
We didn't have money,
but we were all happy.
Kid:
Up until that Lynx bastard...
came and shattered our
happiness to pieces!
Lynx raided our house,
burned it down, and
kidnapped Sis!
Kid:
Sister...
never came back...
Kid:
Since then, I've wandered
the world and experienced so
much pain, just to get by...
No one was there to help me.
I was always alone.
If you ask me, the idea of
guardian angels watchin'
over us all the time...
that's a load of rubbish.
Kid:
In this world, the underhanded
always gets the last laugh.
Only the ones who don't think
anything of hurtin' others
are the ones who get blood-
stained fortunes.
The ones who kill,
the ones who devour,
they're the ones who survive.
That's the only rule
of this world.
Kid:
The great species of mankind...
our wonderful world,
filled with love and happiness...
HA!
Don't make me laugh!
Kid:
But if that's how it is,
that's fine with me.
As long as I'm alive,
there ain't no goin' back.
I'll abide by this world's
rules, and do what I gotta
do, despite the rotten hand
of cards I've been dealt!
Kid:
I'll make sure that bloody
bastard pays for what he's
done!!!
I will get even...!
No matter what it takes!!!
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I saw someone's talking about this scene in other topic, so I retranslate it. I'm not sure if there're really some important differences.
"I recall, I used to say, this is a foolish world which is full of sadness...."
I remember I heard such words before, or maybe it was just my imagination? Did Magus real say something like this?
Demiforce script.
I peer around the corner into the cell. In this dim, damp space, an old man sits in solitude, quietly mumbling to himself.
"Hey, Mister..."
"Everyone.. and it was all because of me. Every last one of the Dragoons... Miss Riddel... even the General...! Forgive me... please..."
Ignoring us, the old man continues to mutter, staring at the floor as he rocks back and forth.
"Hey, can ya hear me?" Kid says, shaking the bars a little.
"He will not hear a thing. He has constructed a wall around himself," Magil says.
"What do you mean?" I ask Magil.
"A wall, used for shielding one's mind from reality. After being exposed to horrific events, tremendous amounts of pain and guilt has this effect on a person. He has made a safe world inside his own mind, where he retreats into. From there, he refuses to acknowledge anything he does not want to admit."
I notice that talking about this has given Magil a sort of sad, lost look in his face. Noticing my glance, he quickly turns away from me.
Strange... Magil somehow reminded me of Kid just then.
When Magil turns back, his usual blank expression has returned.
"Does this make sense to you, Serge?" Magil asks.
[choice1] *"Yeah, it does..."
[choice2] *"Maybe if you gave me an easier explanation..."
[choice1]
Magil continues, looking at Kid and me. "We rarely see the walls we're trapped within. However, given time, some can come to understand and possibly even break free of these shortcomings... I......"
I wait for Magil to finish, but he doesn't end up saying anything. I'd ask, but... oh well.
The mind... Revealing itself to itself...
[choice2]
"Very well," Magil says, taking me aside. "For example, there was probably a time when Kid was very different than who she is now. She couldn't have been a thief her whole life, correct?"
Hearing this, I look over to Kid. Somehow she looks different than I've ever seen her...
"Kid convinced herself to be a thief. However, on the inside, she's not as rough as you think."
"I see... so in other words, there's a normal man trapped somewhere inside all that mumbling."
"Aw, come on, enough with all this jibber jabber!"
"But Kid, we were just saying..."
Thwap!
I stare at Kid, rubbing the red mark left on my cheek.
Original script.
ボクは牢のなかを目をこらして見た。
座っている人影らしきものが闇の中に
かすかに浮かびあがる。
声はその人影から聞こえてくる。
「おい
、じいさん？」
キッドが、なかの人影に声をかける。
「
すまぬ、みんな
。わしのせい
で、栄光のアカシア竜騎士団は
。
大佐
、リデル姫
お許しくだされ
、うう
」
キッドの問いかけに応えず、意味不明
の言葉を壁に向かってつぶやき続ける
老人
。
「じーさん、聞こえないのか？」
「その爺さんには、なにを言ってもムダだ
ろう。殻に閉じこもってしまっている」
ギルが、キッドにそう告げた。
「なんなの、その殻って？」
ボクは、ギルに尋ねた。
「自分の認めたくない現実から、我が身
を守るためにつくる盾みたいなものだ。
背を向けて逃げ出したくなるような、
あまりに悲惨な事件を見るなり、経験
するなり、したのだろう
。
心のなかに自分だけの別の世界をつく
り、そこに逃げ込んで、外の世界の一切
を拒絶してしまうのだ
」
なんだかギルの言葉に、言いようのな
い悲しみみたいなものが感じとられて、
ボクは思わずギルを見上げた。
ギルの瞳は、なぜかキッドを見ていた
。
その横顔だけを、見つめていた
。
ボクの視線に気づいたのか、ギルは振
り向くと、いつもの表情にもどる。
「そういうことも、あるということだ。
この愚かで、悲しみに満ちた世界では、
な
」
その瞳が、いつもより心なしかやさし
い光をおびているような気がする。
「わかるか？」
·「うん、何となく
」
·「もうちょっと簡単な説明、ない？」
ボクは、ちょっと曖昧な返事をした。
「今一つ理解できない、といった顔だな。
まぁ、いずれ分かる。そのうちに」
ボクとキッドの顔を見て、ギルがそう
言った。
？？？
どういう意味なんだろう？
「もっとわかりやすく、説明してよ」
ボクは、さらなるお願いをした。
「そうだな。盗みに入る前に、よくキッド
がボ～ッとしてる時があるな」
そう言われ、ボクの脳裏に、両手を組
み、瞳にお星さまが一杯のキッドの姿が
映った。
「まだ、盗んでもないのに、既に自分の
物と思い込んでいる。
心ここにあらずといった状態だ。
つまり、この爺さんは、それの暗くて、
重いやつだ」
なるほど
。
身近な例えをあげてもらうと、やっぱ
りよく理解できる！
「ギィィルゥ
その例えは、肖像権の侵害だぞ
」
なんだ、そりゃ
？
キッドのこぶしが、いきなりボクに襲い
かかった。
「セルジュ！
おまえも納得すんな！！」
思いっきり、とばっちりだ
。
My retranslation.
I look into the dark prison cell.
In the darkness, I can barely see a man sitting there.
That's where the voices come from.
"Hey...grandpa?"
Kid tries to talk to him.
"....All over, everyone....all because of me, the honored Acacia Dragoons....the general...Miss Riddel...please forgive me...[he sobs]..."
The old man shows no response to Kid, is still muttering something strange to the wall...
"Grandpa, didn't you hear me?"
"It's no use to talk to that old man. He's now in a shell which prevents him to contact with the outer world."
Magil tells Kid.
"What, a shell?"
I don't understand him, so I asks.
"He refused to accept the reality, it is like there's a wall between him and the real world. He's trying his best to avoid anything realistic, perhaps, he used to have some miserable experience, so...He's now in another world that he built in his heart. He escaped there from the real world and refused anything outside..."
It gives me a feeling, a person without such miserable experience can't speak like what Magil does. So I raise my head and stare at him.
For some reason, Magil is staring at Kid...
I can only see the side of his face...
Discovering I'm looking at him, Magil turns his head back, and his expression becomes normal.
"I recall, I used to say, this is a foolish world which is full of sadness...."
His eyes, maybe that's just my imagination, is gentler than before.
"Understand?"
[choice1]‘€"Hmm, sort of..."
[choice2]‘€"Can you explain it in a more understandable way?"
[choice1]
I answer uncertainly.
"It is like one's face, you can't read from it immediately. But as time goes by, you will eventually understand."
Magil says, looking at me and Kid.
......???
What does that mean?
[choice2]
"Can you explain in a more understandable way?"
I request.
"For example. Kid, before she was a thief, used to live a completely different life."
Hearing that, I depict Kid who crosses her hands, full of stars in her eyes, in my mind.
"Now, she won't realized she's stealing, instead, she feels like she's taking and using her own properties. This is so called 'preoccupied'.
Anyway, this old man must have some very dark and heavy things in his heart."
Yes it is...
Use a simple example, and it is more understandable!
"Maaaaaaaagil....
Your example has infringed upon my individual right to portrait..."
What is she talking about...?
Kid's fist flies at me.
"Serge!
Now you understand!!"
I was only thinking, how could she react like this...
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That makes the foreshadowing about her life as Schala much more certain.
-
I have a feeling that Magil is talking about his own past while explain the 'shell'.
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Kid and Magil really feel like siblings to me, even more so than Janus and Schala did. I like it.
Your example has infringed my individual right to portrait..."
...Wow, that's broken English. Thinking it means something more like "You're messing with my image...", right?
And even though these retranslated bits are really insightful, I'm still amazed by the Demiforce version. The things they changed just strengthened the message for us, I think.
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...Wow, that's broken English. Thinking it means something more like "You're messing with my image...", right?
Well, '肖像権の侵害' means infringe upon one's portrait right literally.
It's a joke, of course, but I don't know whether you can get it.
Kid and Magil really feel like siblings to me, even more so than Janus and Schala did. I like it.
In certain spots of the game, Kid throws a fist to Magil instead of Serge, but in Demiforce version, she just tries to hit Serge.
And even though these retranslated bits are really insightful, I'm still amazed by the Demiforce version. The things they changed just strengthened the message for us, I think.
Yeah, I only want to translate it sentence by sentence, it's far from polished translation of course...
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-_-b
"We can't help this old geezer. Let's get back to work," Kid says, already heading for the door.
"Wait, Kid," Magil calls out.
"Somehow or another, we may yet find a way into this man's mind."
"What good'll that do?"
"Didn't you hear what he was talking about? The Dragoons, Riddel, General Viper..."
"Aw, he's prolly just into old folklore or somethin'..." Kid says, returning to the door.
"I have a feeling his knowledge will prove to be useful. Certainly he has heard something of importance concerning our situation," Magil says.
"Well, I guess we oughta help the old bloke out with his troubles while we're here. What do ya say we do?" Kid asks.
[choice 1] *"Somehow, we have to put an end to this..."
[choice 2] *Say nothing, confused.
[choice 1]
"Huh!?" Kid says, looking up. "You got a problem with me!?"
"Eh!? N, no... that's not what I meant..."
But before I can explain, Kid's fist suddenly flies into my face!
Narrowly avoiding the blow, I look up to see Magil starting to speak again.
[choice 2]
Thinking through everything that's been said already, I really have no idea about how to get anywhere with him.
"Well somebody better think of somethin' soon!" Kid says.
My retranslation.
"It's no use trying to talk to this old man. Better leave him alone, let's go."
Kid says, heading for the entrance.
"Wait, Kid."
Magil calls out.
"Maybe we can still get some informations from this old man."
"What? From this mad oldman, how can we?"
"He was talking about some familiar names...
Acacia Dragoons...
Miss Riddel..."
"Who knows, mabye some moldy old stories."
Kid replies with a sigh.
"Furthermore, under a status like this, how can we believe what he says?"
That's right, how can we ask him if he's in such a mental state...
Magil thinks for a while, then he answers,
"It's simple...
We can bring him back to the reality."
"How? Could it be said that I have to charm this grandpa?"
[choice 1]*"You'd better not..."
[choice 2]*"......"
I keep silent.
[choice 1]
"You'd better not."
Hearing Kid's words, I answer casually.
"What!?"
Kid stares at me angrily.
"You mean, I don't have such allure, do you, Serge?"
"Ahh!? NO, NO...That's not what I meant..."
"Or, you mean we shall give it up?"
"Indeed, it won't work."
Hearing that, Kid throws a fist to Magil suddenly!
Magil avoids it easily, and continues.
[choice 2]
Hearing Kid's words, I'm about to say something, but suddenly I realize a close mouth catches no flies, so I cover my mouth with my hand immediately.
"What's the matter?"
Kid is surprised by my reaction.
Ho...that was close.
"Indeed, it won't work."
Magil says calmly.
Suddenly, Kid throws a fist to Magil!
Magil avoids it easily, and continues.
What happened t Shea's orphanage. In fact, it was not burnt, but the orphans were all killed.
"And..."
I recalls that girl with a monastery robe, that robe is unique...But Magil is keeping on talking, it seems he doesn't notice my question at all.
When I'm thinking I might be ignored...
"That's the uniform of the ancient Communion of the Four Spirits ."
But, hearing Magil talking about it, Kid scowls immediately.
"Kid used to live there..."
I remembered, Magil talked about that before. Kid was an orphan adopted by a Sister from the Communion of the Four Spirits. It is said, she was also an orphan, so she got along well with Kid.
But one day, she was taken away by Lynx's minion and never returned. Kid was still very young at that time.
Kid sneaked out of the communion. She wanted to find her in Lynx's house. But little Kid did not managed to reach Lynx's house. When she came back to the village, she found the orphans were all dead.
Magil, a regular vistor of the communion, came to the orphanage one day. He found Kid sitting among the mummyfied corpses, biting her lip while staring at the direction of Lynx's house.
Kid had not spoken for a whole year...it is said, since then, Magil never saw her cry...
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Kid and Magil really feel like siblings to me, even more so than Janus and Schala did. I like it.
Your example has infringed my individual right to portrait..."
...Wow, that's broken English. Thinking it means something more like "You're messing with my image...", right?
And even though these retranslated bits are really insightful, I'm still amazed by the Demiforce version. The things they changed just strengthened the message for us, I think.
I prefer accuracy over enhancement, as i'm sure many others here at the Compendium do.
utunnels, thanks a lot for this. I'm greatly enjoying getting to see this different side of Radical Dreamers.
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About the 'Scared Host' spell.
It's actual name is 魔人(majin), which means magical being or magical man, usually, they are simple monsters(or who has supernatural power) from mythologies, e.g., Ozzie in CT is a typical example(it is translated as Mystic then Fiend in DS version).
Who's Vera?
Hmm, I don't know why Demiforce removed her titles...
This is how Lynx called her:
「パレポリの魔導宰相
、レディ・ヴィラか！」
"Parepori(Porre)'s Magic Chancellor...., Lady Vira(Vera)!"
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About the 'Scared Host' spell.
It's actual name is 魔人(majin), which means magical being or magical man, usually, they are simple monsters(or who has supernatural power) from mythologies, e.g., Ozzie in CT is a typical example(it is translated as Mystic then Fiend in DS version).
Who's Vera?
Hmm, I don't know why Demiforce removed her titles...
This is how Lynx called her:
「パレポリの魔導宰相
、レディ・ヴィラか！」
"Parepori(Porre)'s Magic Chancellor...., Lady Vira(Vera)!"
And "Vera" is the hooded lady encountered in the gear room? The same one that shows up at the end to confront Lynx?
Very interesting....
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Yeah. Not sure if you've seen it, Art, but there's a theory that Vera is Marle (operating under the assumption that Crono died at some point in the Radical Dreamers timeline, since Lucca wants to place the Frozen Flame on the grave of a "friend", which, given the power of the Frozen Flame, probably means she wanted to try to revive him or something). Marle may want to do the same, and joined Porre to accomplish this. The only disparity is that she seems a haggard old woman...but yet, now we know she's renowned for magic, which has added a little fuel to this theory.
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I think that's because the high rank cure magic...but there's no really evidence that she has to be Marle.
Besides, she's the Chancellor(or prime minister). What if Dalton helped Porre to conquer Guardia? Maybe he'll be in an important position in Porre. But that doesn't explains much, since Dalton is not metioned in CC as well.
Maybe they didn't consider Dalton as a key character until the plan of the CTDS remake...
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They barely mentioned the Fall at all in CC, really...It's more about El Nido (& Schala, of course) and only mentions Zenan in passing...So I think it was easy for them to gloss over the entire thing and who (Dalton) did it...
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Were there any rumours about Dalton before CTDS? I'm just curious
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Yeah. Not sure if you've seen it, Art, but there's a theory that Vera is Marle (operating under the assumption that Crono died at some point in the Radical Dreamers timeline, since Lucca wants to place the Frozen Flame on the grave of a "friend", which, given the power of the Frozen Flame, probably means she wanted to try to revive him or something). Marle may want to do the same, and joined Porre to accomplish this. The only disparity is that she seems a haggard old woman...but yet, now we know she's renowned for magic, which has added a little fuel to this theory.
Another reason I don't believe Vera=Marle, is her personality.
Demiforce's translation:
The old woman gazes down on us from under her hood. "I believe you all ought to come with us."
My translation:
The old woman looks down at us.
"Kid...if you want the Frozen Flame, you can come to steal it anytime. That'll be interesting, I will await you. Of course, if you can escape from here."
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure I heard some Dalton=Fall of Guardia stuff prior to CTDS, though it was so outlandish that even the people proposing such theories weren't too serious about it...
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Yeah. Not sure if you've seen it, Art, but there's a theory that Vera is Marle (operating under the assumption that Crono died at some point in the Radical Dreamers timeline, since Lucca wants to place the Frozen Flame on the grave of a "friend", which, given the power of the Frozen Flame, probably means she wanted to try to revive him or something). Marle may want to do the same, and joined Porre to accomplish this. The only disparity is that she seems a haggard old woman...but yet, now we know she's renowned for magic, which has added a little fuel to this theory.
I've heard the theory before, which is why finally seeing a name for this character is interesting. (I've actually lurked about the articles here for years.) However, like utunnels said, I can't seem to reconcile Marle being a leader of any kind in a government involving Dalton, unless Vera is a VERY elaborate disguise.
I've always been just as interested in the Radical Dreamers timeline as much as I have the Chrono Cross timeline. It's a shame we'll probably never get more details about it than we have now.
utunnels, I hate to put in a request when I can't offer any help, but could you take a look at the part where they mention Lucca wanting to place the Flame on a friend's grave? I'd very much like to know if that was just an invention of Demiforce.
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The fact is RD was written before CC. Although it is metioned in CC that it's in another time line, but that's what they did to make their statement consistent...IMO RD is the embryo of CC, probably, one of...perhaps they even tried to make another one involved into the Fall of Guardia event than Dalton if they felt he/she was suitable...
utunnels, I hate to put in a request when I can't offer any help, but could you take a look at the part where they mention Lucca wanting to place the Flame on a friend's grave? I'd very much like to know if that was just an invention of Demiforce.
That part is an honest translation as well as Schala's narration. Yeah, I think no one would like to invention another story in such an important place.
I've heard the theory before, which is why finally seeing a name for this character is interesting.
Vera's name is metioned in Demiforce's translation as well. But not her titles.
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*Edit* Oops, lots of typos...
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Those books in the study room give me a headache.
I'm glad Demiforce used some contents form real books.
Blue Book, Front
It's about a young man says farewell to a baby elephant. No idea if it was taken from an ever published book.
Red Book, Front
Sort of an adult reading. That's why Serge got slapped(HP-10). Again, I don't know if it was from a real book.
Note: If you choose this book, Serge will lost 10HP, not love points. But this event won't kill Serge, nor produce any sound effects(odd).
Purple Book, Front
About Neo-Epoch(Neo-Silverbird) just like what Demiforce translated, although, the lines below was an invention.
"What is this? It reminds me of..."
"Of what, Kid?"
Green Book, Front
About a goblin who guards a house for its master falls asleep.
Blue Book, Back
Same as Demiforce's translation. There's no sound test in orginal game though.
Note: Serge will lose 18 HP and get killed if his health is low enough.
Red Book, Back
Jakobson's thesis about Hume's theory, sounds like a reseach about space and time. (Not the Jakobson and Hume in real world, though).
Purple Book, Back
The key, of course. Although the scene is not as detailed as Demiforce's translation.
Green Book, Back
A disgusting love story. Still, its origin is unknown.
White Book, Back
A detective story on a small island in the storming sea.
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The fact is RD was written before CC. Although it is metioned in CC that it's in another time line, but that's what they did to make their statement consistent...IMO RD is the embryo of CC, probably, one of...perhaps they even tried to make another one involved into the Fall of Guardia event than Dalton if they felt he/she was suitable...
It's also worth noting that RD was made for the experimental SFC add-on, the Satellaview, so I don't know how much time & effort was really put into its creation (or any of the Satellaview games, really)...I mean, RD came out, what? A year? Less? After CT, right?
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Radical Dreamers and other Satellaview titles were planned to be released at the Akihabara electronics district of Tokyo. Square also tried to integrate it into the Japanese PlayStation port of Chrono Trigger as an Easter egg. Writer and director Masato Kato halted both releases, unhappy with the quality of his work.
According to the wiki page.
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Radical Dreamers and other Satellaview titles were planned to be released at the Akihabara electronics district of Tokyo. Square also tried to integrate it into the Japanese PlayStation port of Chrono Trigger as an Easter egg. Writer and director Masato Kato halted both releases, unhappy with the quality of his work.
According to the wiki page.
It's on a wiki. It must be true.
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Perhaps Marle pulled a Yakra?
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Why Yakra?
-
Yakra used magic to impersonate the Chancellor of Guardia, Marle doing something similar could be used as a theory.
Now I'm interested in more Vera-related lines, BAH!
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I see you point. Hah, but I bet even Kato didn't have such an excellent idea.
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Miguel is Crono, Guile is Magus, and the Fortune Teller is Marle secretly keeping tabs on everyone?!
...WAUGH, I need to find a new series to obsess over if I'm thinking like that, even as a joke.
-
Yeah, maybe a fan fiction... if there has not already been one...
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http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Weapons_(Radical_Dreamers).html (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Weapons_(Radical_Dreamers).html)
So according to the original script, there's no such thing called Acacia Sword. And we still don't know who killed Lynx and how did he/she do that.
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=6472.msg124773#msg124773
Pollon's accent is quite annoying...(half English, half Japnese, and a little French, and lots of '～'), he calls himself 'ミー'(me), and calls Serge 'ユー'(you). It makes me curious about Harle's accent in CC...I bet they didn't do in such a creepy way...
ユーのハ～ト yu- no ha~to (you's heart, your heart)
グッバ～イ gubba~i (Goodbye)
アヂュ～ adyu~(Adieu)
オ～イェ～ス～ o~ye~su~ (Oh, yes)
ソーリ so-ri (Sorry)
The name of his magic cannon:
ハイパァァァグレェェェト魔導砲
HAIPAAAAGUREEEETOMADOUHOU
Hypeeeeeeeer Greeeeeeat Magic Cannon
:picardno
As far I as know, this scenario was not written by Kato.
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Because it's so AWESOME???
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Maybe he's a harlequin character, so they made him speak in such a funny way...
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When Magil uses the bunny to deactive the magic seal, he mutters something, maybe sort of password...
"Heat cup... provolone... soccer mom...!!"
Maybe it is Martian language...doesn't make sense at all.
Although, the orginal one doesn't either...
「シンシル、ウルシー、ヒトカップ
」
"SHINSHIRU,URUSHI-,HITOKAPPU......"
Shishiru=Simushir, one of the islands of Kuril Islands.
Urushi=Ulithi, an atoll in the Caroline Islands of the western Pacific Ocean.
Hitokappu(perhaps they misstranslated it to heat cup) is also a location name of Kuril Islands (Hitokappu bay, not sure what it is called in English though).
Martian Conjurer
火星の魔術師・うる＝うるるん
Martian Conjurer Uru Ururun
Or maybe "Uru Ururun, The Martian Conjurer" is better.
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http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Weapons_(Radical_Dreamers).html (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Weapons_(Radical_Dreamers).html)
So according to the original script, there's no such thing called Acacia Sword. And we still don't know who killed Lynx and how did he/she do that.
What does Shea say during the ending?
Here's what I have from a script dump:
「あの騎士の剣がヤマネコを殺した瞬間、
彼の魂は私を核として、凍てついた炎
となり、館中の魂を喰らいました。
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Yeah, it is in another place...
As soon as Lynx was slain by the Knight with his sword, his soul used Shea's soul as the core(the anti-soul spell needs a core, as metioned somewhere else, so Lynx's soul lives inside Shea's), and became the Frozen Flame. The Flame began to devour everyone's soul in the manor.
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It makes me curious about Harle's accent in CC...I bet they didn't do in such a creepy way...
True in that she didn't have one.
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"There are some things in our past that I will not forget, Gilbert! Once, you were given some delicious-looking homemade cookies for your fifth birthday, but you would not share them with anyone! And another time, at one of the village festivals, I remember wanting to dance with you, but you never asked me to. I waited all night!"
ああっ！ 昔からそうよ。ギルって、
わたしの気持ち少しも考えてくれない！
五歳の時、お誕生日にあげた、手作り
クッキーだって、みんなにあげちゃうし。
村祭りのダンスパーティーでは、一緒
に踊ってくれなかったし、それから
」
Ahh! Like before, Gil, you never consider my feeling!
I gave you some handmade cookies for your fifth birthday, but you just gave them to everyone. And, you never asked me to dance with you at the village festival. And...
Note, yeah, Riddel call him Gil instead of Gilbert . Perhaps Gil is a nickname/shortform for Gilbert.
"It is all a misunderstanding, Riddel! I wanted to ask you to dance, but I did not have the confidence...!"
「誤解だリデル！ クッキーは、みんな
に自慢したかったんだ。ダンスは
うまく踊れる自信がなかったから
！」
"Riddel, you misunderstood! The cookies, I wanted to boast them to everyone. And about dance...I didn't have confidence in dance...!"
However, the maid's eyes darken as she continues.
"But, as everyone knew, Lady Riddel had already been assigned a suitor!"
侍女はうっとりした目つきで、続けた。
「リデル様には、すでに心に決めた殿方
がいらっしゃるって、そりゃあ、もうみんな
知ってますよ」
The maid stares faraway, and continues.
"Miss Riddel made a promise to marry a gentleman, now everyone has known about that."
Obviously, she's talking about Gilbert, not another one...
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So what happens next? In Demiforce's translation, Riddel gets upset since "now our oath is void!"
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So what happens next? In Demiforce's translation, Riddel gets upset since "now our oath is void!"
Noelle's always spreading gossip(yeah, she's a big mouth), we were not talking about marriage proposal(blushed rather than angry, IMO).
The einding:
From far across the landscape, a deep, shimmering light begins to fill the sky.
"Look, Riddel... there's our Frozen Flame," Magil says, pointing towards the morning sun.
遠くの空が白みかけてきた。
「いつの間にか、夜が明けちまった」
キッドがため息をつく。
「あ～あ、凍てついた炎が！！」
ギルがその朝日を指さした。
「ごらん、リデル
俺達ふたりの夜明けだ
」
A dim light appears in the faraway sky. (Literally, the faraway sky becomes white)
"Unknowingly, the dawn has come." (Before someone's aware, the dawn has come)
Kid let out a sigh.
"Ahh-ahh, the Frozen Flame!!"
Gil(or Magil, since he's Gilbert) points at the raising sun(the morning sun).
"Look, Riddel...
It's the dawn for our two..."
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All added; thanks.
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Compared to the report in Chronopolis, you will notice some of them are missing from Demiforce's translation, and I checked the original, yes, there are several missing lines.
それは、ある日母からわたされた、一冊
の手帳からはじまった……。物置をかた
づけていて、ぐうぜん見つけたのだという。
ボロボロで、あちこちカビのはえたその
手帳は、数年前に死んだ祖父の日記だっ
た。そこには、いつもひなたでまどろんで
いた祖父の、遠い日の想い出がつづられ
ていた……。
All these begin when mother handed me a notebook...
It was found by chance when she was cleaning out the storeroom。
The old, molded notebook, was a diary of my grandfather who passed away several years ago.
My grandfather, who had been always taking a nap under the lamplight, wrote his distant memories there...
「 …………
おまえは まだ
おぼえているだろうか……？
わたしたちの出会いを
そして、あの数々の冒険を……
すべてが夢のようだった、遠い夏の日々
わたしたちは風のようにかけぬけ……
おまえは、空から落ちた
ひとつぶの 星のかけらだった……
ああ……、いつでも わたしは帰って行く
２度とはもどらぬ、あの遠い日々へ……
こうして目をとじ、
そっとおまえの名を 夜にささやけば……
キッド……
キッド……
Do you still remember...?
How we met first time, and those many adventures...
It all seemed like a dream, in those summer days, we ran like the wind...
You were a star fragment that fell from the sky...
Those distant days, will never come back again...
I close my eyes, whisper you name quietly at night...
Kid...
Kid...
…… キッド……
…… おい、キッド。
「用意はいいかい、キッド？
気がせくのはわかるけど、
油断するなよ」
「はん、おまえこそドジんなよ。
なんかあったら、捨ててくからな」
「さあ、行こうぜ、ギル。
ヤマネコの野郎に、これまでの借りを
百倍にして、かえしてやる。
泣いて謝るなら今のうちだぞ、野郎め。
許してやらないけど、な。
ククク……。
アーッハッハッハッ！！」
...Kid...
... Hey, Kid.
"Are you ready(Have you prepared well), Kid?
Although I know you are anxious, but please be careful."(don't be so careless)
"Hah, it's you that always mess things up. If you do that again, I will leave you behind."
"And, come on, Gil. I will let that bastard Lynx pay 100 times for what he has done.
Just cry and beg, you bastard. I will never forgive you though.
Hehehe...
Ahahahaha!!"
BTW, significant laugh...
Armory
警備室
Suggested Translation: Guard Room
Leech
なめくじ=蛞蝓
Suggested Translation: Slug
A slug doesn't suck blood. In original script, they are harmless, but only disgusting.
Feral Cats
ヤマネコ
Yeah, their name are same as Lynx, so feral cats is OK. BTW, Feral Cats skill from CC is "Cats Raid" in JPN version.
Poltergeist
ゴースト
It reads ghost, perhaps the name is just too common.
Something I'm not sure: Kid and Magil use a dual tech in the polter geist battle ?
Demiforce's translation:
"Serge! Come on mate, snap out of it!"
The sound of Kid's voice pierces into my consciousness like a hot knife through butter.
However, I quickly start to lose it once again. She runs to my side as I start to tumble over.
With my last few bits of energy, I open my eyes, and see Magil letting loose some sort of spell, streaking towards the poltergeist!
Original Script:
「ようし！セルジュ！
良ーく頑張った！」
寒さに、なにか、もう、何もかもどう
でも良くなった頃に、キッドの声がどこ
かで聞こえた。
ボクは……まだ…立ち続けて……いら
れた、らしい…………
かたわらをキッドが駆け抜けていった。
手にしたナイフが青く輝く！
ボクがゴーストの注意を引きつけてる
間にギルが破魔の呪を込めたのだ。
キッドが青い奔流を骸骨じみたゴース
トの眉間にたたきつけるのが見える……
「や、やった……かな………？」
安堵が全身を包み、ボクは意識が遠の
いていった…………
My translation:
"Hold on, Serge! You've done quite well! "
When I'm about to give up to the unbearable cold, I hear Kid's voice.
I...am...still...holding...out...I...am...still...standing....
I see Kid is running at me. The dagger in her hand is shining in blue!
While I am attracting the ghost's attention, Magil has finished his demon dispeling spell.
I see Kid(yes, it is Kid, not Magil) throws a torrent of blue light(blue torrent, I just assume it should be a light stream) toward between the ghost skull's eyes...
"Is it...all...over...?"
I feel extremely relax, and my consciousness begins to fade out...
After the skeleton battle.
Demiforce's translation:
"What was up with you back there!?" Kid shouts at Magil, her eyes firmly planted on him. "Snap out of it already!"
Magil blinks a few times, dazed. He seems to be all right now.
Original script:
キッドは、ギルの方に向きなおって
「…しかし、このおっさんは！」
バコッ！
ギルの頭を思いっきり殴った。
「これで目が覚めたろ！ さあ、さっさと
先に進むぞ」
「いったい俺は……痛っ」
My translation:
Kid turns to Magil.
"...but, this uncle!"
Pa!
Magil is slapped on the head.
"Wake up! We should be on our way now."
"Where am I...it hurts."
Kid calls him uncle...I know there's no need to keep everything the same, but I just want to point out this bad joke.
Another joke, in certain goblin battle.
Demiforce's translation:
Hey, in love and war, anything's fair. I kick upwards with all my rage!
Hah! Its knees buckle, yelping in a voice I didn't know a goblin could even make!
However, it recovers quickly. My foot, on the other hand, isn't so lucky! As it starts to painfully throb, the goblin fixes its tight grip on my neck. I can't take much more of this...
Original script:
怪物でも、オスはオス。
ボクは急所を蹴りあげた。
ヒット！
だが、握る手の力は劣れえず、その表情
も変わらない。こっちの足の方が痛かった。
My translation:
Although it is a monster, but after all it is male.
So I kick upward toward its important point.
Hit!
The goblin doesn't release its grasp at all, and even its expression is not changed. But my foot begins to hurt.
Another joke in another goblin battle.
Serge will lose 5 HP after certain action(he wants to mimic Kid's fighting style, but fails).
Demiforce version:
Not wasting a single moment, I scurry away on my hands and knees.
Dammit! Shards from the busted stone floor are stabbing into my hands and knees!
(HP -5, if HP < 0 then Serge dies.)
Stopping for a second to remove the painful rock splinters, I find myself once again at the feet of another vicious goblin!
Before I have time to react, it brings its mace down onto my leg, then my hand, then...
Original script:
ボクは素早く後ろへ逃げた。
「ありがとう、キッド」
横に立つキッドに礼を言う。
「ドジ」
ポツリと言い捨て、前へと出る。
グサッ…
言葉の矢がボクの胸を貫く。
(HP -5, if HP < 0 then Serge dies.)
ああ……ボクはもうダメだ……。
だんだんと目の前が真っ暗になって
ゆく……。
My translation:
I run away as quickly as I can.
"Thank you, Kid."
I express my appreciation to Kid.
"Wimp."
But what awaits me, is such a word.
What the...
Such word pierces my heart like an arrow.
(HP -5, if HP < 0 then Serge dies.)
Ahh...I'm not feeling well...
Everything becomes dark before my eyes...
Some details in Riddel's room:
1. The letter on the desk is unfinished, means Riddel is still writing it.
2. Serge opens the music box instead of asking Kid to.
3. When Serge asks Kid about the music, she says her beloved someone used to to sing that for her (not only someone she knew).
4. Kid doesn't turn back and cries, thus Serge never puts his hand on her shoulder. Instead, her eyewinkers shine like dew in the morning.
5. Kid doesn't put that dress on, but puts it before her and dances. (The dress looks like petals, and Kid looks like a fairy with it. Such description reminds me of Riddel's portrait in game.)
6. While Serge's examing Riddel's bed, Kid doesn't run out. Instead, she drags Serge outside.
7. When Kid tries to take Riddel as a hostage, Riddel figures out that Kid is using a paper knife, which makes Kid quite embarrassed.
8. Talking about the Flame, Riddel says what she wants is smashing the rock into pieces before Lynx.
Some details about Esmeld.
1. Esmeld blocks Kid's flying dagger with his book.
2. Esmeld tells Serge his job/duty is to eliminate them, but he knows he doesn't have such power. Or it is too sudden for him to just say "perhaps I want your life", and then says "I do not wish to harm you".
3. Esmeld says General Viper(his former master) and Miss Riddel used to be kind to him. It is not possible for him to be "involved" with Riddel IMO, LOL
Some details in scenario "SuperXtreme Alphacosmos Police Case EX Ultra":
1. Lynx says "Do you think I spent 500 years only to repair my ship?" (he means he was preparing for the revenge for sure)
2. Lynx's weapon, that pistol, is not a weapon at all, it is called "enlarge beam". He doesn't fire beams toward the trio. Instead, he shoots a beam at himself and becomes a large octopus(as someone metioned, it is about 10000 tons in displacement). He doesn't use a mothership to attack...instead, Kid tells Magil(Mick Van Jovi) to call the Mothership for help, but Magil says there's no such thing... :picardno
3. It is not a large rock that hits Mick Van Jovi, but Lynx throws a flying ax at him and cuts into his head.
4. Seeing the rabbit, Lynx tells Serge that a "kankannou dance" from the rabbit will ruin the reactor(the Flame) incautiously. Serge thanks him and controls the rabbit to dance a "kankannou dance"...
In scenario "Home Coming: Shea's Light":
1.
I let out a deep, shaky breath as Kid takes her first step out. The scaffold gives a little, but stays afloat.
In fact, Kid hands her dagger and backpack to Serge to reduce her total weight. Then, she adjusts her breath, concentrates her mind. Such action reduces her weight to 1/4. This is in fact "light body skill", usually seen in Chinese martial arts fictions.
2.
Suddenly, Magil comes up behind us and touches us on the back of our necks. I don't know what he's doing, but it instantly calms me down... and by the looks (and sounds) of it, Kid as well.
But Serge knows what he's doing, sort of, he assumes Magil touched their vital points(a common attack/heal skill in Chinese martial arts fictions).
3. This section is missing a lot of details.
"What's that strange look on yer face for, mate?"
"I don't know... I just... I don't have a good feeling about this place."
"Aw, c'mon, mate. You never have a good feelin' about anything."
"It's just, after what we went through with the treasure vault and all... I don't know, maybe I am just being a worry wart."
"Well, you sure ya wanna keep on goin'?" Kid asks with an unusually serious face.
Somehow, I find myself nodding silently, ignoring the warnings in my head.
I remember something someone told me a while ago about this place...
"Everything in that mansion answers to Lord Lynx," he said. "The creatures... the walls... the statues... everything. If you understand the concept of power by fear and control, then you understand Lynx."
Magil strokes his chin, calmly examining the gigantic doors before us. There's bound to be something important in here -- these dark mahogany doors tower above us, emanating an unmistakable sense of intimidation.
「おかしい」
「何が？
おかしかったら笑いなよ。
何なら手伝ってやろーか？」
「キ、キッ…ド！、
ぼ、ボクは……まひめ…、
ひゃ、ひゃめてくれ！」
「わかってる。
ただこーゆー雰囲気が、嫌いなだけ」
キッドはボクをくすぐるのを電気でも
切れたみたいにピタッとやめて、瞬時に
さっきまでのむすっとした表情に戻った。
「この館に入ってから、まだ生きた人間を
一人も見ていない。
これだけうろついてるのに……
あの、機械部屋の婆ぁ――あれもホン
トに生きてた人間かどうか怪しいもん
だが――の他には……
……って、言いたかったんだろ？」
キッドがいつになくマジな表情で言う。
ボクは、何となく声を出すのがはばか
られるような気がして、無言で頷いた。
他人の口から客観的に聞かされると、
改めて妙な話だ………
「ヤマネコの家のことだ。
ヤマネコに聞けば分かるさ」
ギルが顎をしゃくって見せた先には、
明らかにこの館の主のものらしい部屋の、
重厚なマホガニーの扉が黒々とそびえ立
っていた………
"How funny."
"What? If it is so funny, why don't you laugh. Do you need my help?"
"K..Kid, I'm...numbed...Stop, stop it!"
"I see. That only makes the unpleasant atmosphere even worse."
Kid stops tickling me suddenly, and returns to her previously clouded face.
"After entering this house, we haven't see a single alive human. It is so unusual...Although, that old lady in the machine room is a human, but she's sort of odd too, I wonder whether she's a real alive one..."
Haha, I don't think it is unusual... even in the main story line, there're few alive "human"... the manor is full of goblins, gryphons, ghosts, demons, skeletons ....
"......Ahh, what am I talking about?"
Kid says with an unusual serious tone。
She just told what I'm worrying about, so I nod quietly.
But when such thing is spoken by other one, it sounds just like a horror story...
"This is Lynx's home. We should go asking him."
Magil points ahead with his chin. There's a heavy red wooden double door there, obviously, it is Lynx's room...
4. The booby trap... there's no such thing. In fact, it is Serge, whose heck is scared out of him by Shea's ghost, sets a bomb in order to blast the door...he's completely mad...
Magil casts a shield of wind before them when the bomb explodes, but still, the huge explosion blasts them out of the room.
5. After the explosion, they are thrown into "anther side" of the manor, which is like the mirror realm(or another side in silent hill series...).
Unlike demiforce's translation in which the door is destroyed, what surprised them is, everything here is undamaged, the wall, the door...And what's more, they are in the passage now. Considering the position of the bomb, they should not be there.
6. Those fish in the pool... demiforce made they more fearsome:
Masses of bones and half-eaten body parts bubble up to the surface of the pond. Heads, arms, fingers, feet...
Hah, well, in fact there're no such things...
Those fish are victims of an experiment, and their eyes look just like human's, filled with fear. Magil says they're magic creatures that are overwhelmed by fear of death. They spit blood toward human, because they are jealous of them, since they don't have human bodies anymore.
This is not a translation difference, however.
In scenario "Gigaweapon ParadiseX", there's a paragraph which will never by used by the game, even in the original script. It seems demiforce was about to fix it, but it was just left alone later.
<Label 0x0399B5>
<ClearText>"Yeah! Who do ya think I am?" Kid shouts, hitting me upside the head.
<PlaySound 0B><Waitpad>"You really are useless, aren't ya!" she shouts, glaring at me.
<Waitpad>"We battled a giant monster in this big arena, in the middle of the day."
<Waitpad><ClearText>"C'mon, there's bound to be more of these rooms in the mansion somewhere."
<Waitpad> Kid and Magil rush out of the room without missing a beat.
<Waitpad> I can't begin to imagine what happened back there, but these sure are some tough cookies...
<waitpad><Goto 0x02005C>
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"After entering this house, we haven't see a single alive human. It is so unusual...Although, that old lady in the machine room is a human, but she's sort of odd too, I wonder whether she's a real alive one..."
I always thought that was strange and thought it might be an oversight. So in the Japanese version, they acknowledge meeting her?
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Yes, I met her in my own hacked version which is based on the original script.
Don't fall asleep
Don't try to catch the golden beetle
Watch Shea
Go to the machine room
Go to the treasure room
....
Or perhaps my save file is messed up, I gotta find it out later with the original rom.
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Oops, just found, the game has totally 12 endings.
- 1 Kid: Le Trιsor Interdit - 3 endings
- Normal Ending
- Kid gets killed
- Serge gets killed
- 2 Magil: Caught Between Love and Adventure - 1 ending
- 3 Kid and the Sunflower - 3 endings
- Serge releases Kid
- Serge kills Kid
- Kid kills Serge
- 4 SuperXtreme Alphacosmos Police Case EX Ultra - 1 ending
- 5 Homecoming: Shea's Light - 1 ending
- 6 The Enigmatic Gigaweapon: Paradise X - 1 ending
- 7 The Shadow Realm and the Goddess of Death - 2 endings
- Serge goes alone
- Serge travels with Kid
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Kankannou... can-can? Yeesh.
That does indeed sound like a double-tech, and a kinda cool one too. The uncle thing reminds me, didn't Lucca hate it when the orphans called her "aunt"?
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Kankannou... can-can? Yeesh.
I don't know how to translation that funny dance. "kankannou" means "look look song" literally, was a popular ballad from Edo period to the Meiji era in Japan, it originated from China in Qing period.
Anyway, there's no need to translate it, I think few in modern era know about it...
The uncle thing reminds me, didn't Lucca hate it when the orphans called her "aunt"?
Yeah, but Magil is old enough to be called as uncle.
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"Kid! Hey, Kid!"
"Unnff... huh? Where am I?" In that comfortingly familiar voice, Kid slowly starts to recover.
"Where do you think you are?" Magil asks.
"Seven."
"Good to have you back, Kid."
I'll never understand these two...
"What was that all about, Magil?"
"I do not know. I have rarely seen magic of such a kind. The luminescent seal we saw earlier beneath the cathedral had a similar structure."
There has to be some sort of connection...
I don't get why demiforce translated this paragraph like this(it is from scenario "Home Coming: Shea's Light").
In fact, Magil raises 2 of his fingers to make a "V" pose while asking "Where do you think you are?", so Kid answers "2".
Perhaps that's what's used to test if one is clear-headed(counting fingers)...well, I don't get this joke.
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"How can you be sure?"
"After going through her clothes one time, I saw the tag."
Oof!
Dammit, I forgot Kid's here too...
My translation(poor Serge):
"How, how do you know!"
"When compeled to wash some clothes these days, I found among them there's ..."
...If we manage to return alive this time, perhaps Kid will try to wash her own clothes, at least in several days....
"Serge! The cat's asleep!" Magil says to me. What the...?
*"Anaconda!" I reply immediately.
*"...What...?" I ask, confused.
*"I think it's a 34 B-cup," I say after a moment.
"The cat's asleep" is a word-play: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dajare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dajare)
I don't know how to localize this joke though...
The cat's asleep!
猫が寝込んだ - nekoganekonda
Anaconda!
アナコンダ - anakonda
"Rob us? And just who do ya think you are?"
"I am the Goddess of Death, a servant of the Shadow Realm," she answers. "My name is Lilith. Although in my current state, I realize looks can be deceiving. Having been summoned here, I took on the form of this young lady, Riddel, for my latest hunt."
"Hunt?"
"Yes, and I thank you for it, I had so yearned for the practice. I had not hunted in so long..."
"Me!?" Kid asks, astonished.
"You are the one who signed the name `Lynx' in the Soul Contract, are you not?"
"Lynx... you killed Lynx!?"
Lilith simply stares at Kid.
"She's referring to the Book of the Dead, when you signed Lynx's name in it, back in the study," Magil whispers to Kid. "She's a Shadow Huntress."
"So... he's dead." Kid says once again, almost in shock.
............
In my translation, Kid realizes what happened immediately when she hears Lynx's name. I'm curious about Soul Contract, what's it anyway?
"Who in the world are you!"
Kid stares at her vigilantly.
"I'm the Goddess of Death, Lilith. I'm summoned here due to Lynx. And the body I'm currently using is that girl, Riddel's..."
"Goddess of Death...how can you be here?"
"Thanks to Lynx, I'm freed."
"You mean, Lynx's name is in the 'Contract of Soul'?"
Lilith stares at Kid's face.
"Impossible, can it be the Book of the Dead?"
Lilith doesn't reply, but stares straight at Kid.
I feel the temperature in this room drops below zero.
...........
The scythe cleaves through the air. Kid tumbles backward, dazed. She looks at her arm, and wipes the blood away from the small cut Lilith made.
In the original script, the scythe doesn't cuts anyone. Lilith swings it toward Magil. The strong wind generated by the mighty swing blows Kid away.
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Sorry to reference an earlier post, though the new stuff is great and the Anaconda thing has me giggling. You said Kid's laugh up there was "significant", does that mean it's recurring in the game, or it's similar to a laugh in CT?
I ran a quick search of the Japanese CT script, thinking it'd be Lucca's laugh or something, but it's Kid's and Zeal's laugh that look the same... that's gotta be fun for Magil, huh?
(it also looks like Mother Brain's laugh. Heh!)
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No, I mean the laugh is also in CC.
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Ah... well... then I found something interesting for me.
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"Hey Magil, would you come over here please? Something is carved into the wall here, I think it's an inscription of some kind..."
Magil kneels down in front of the wall and examines the writing. Looking closer at it, it appears to be written in blood.
"Indeed. This text has been worn down with age. Most of it is unreadable."
Here's what I can make out:
...won't la... mu... onger...
...cia Dragoons.... nee...he encha...
swor... order to... ...proof...
The sword is not metioned in orginal script, the proof of the Acacia Dragoons must be the Acacia Ring.
And for some reason, Kid can read some old symbols in this game(instead of Magil), this is one of the example.
"It seems something is written here..." (This is said by Magil)
Magil squats down in front of the wall and examines the walnut(tea color, literally) symbols, which looks like some spots.
"Smear blood on some carved symbols to make up some kind of secret code, but..." (It is supposed to be said by Kid)
Kid's voice comes from beside.
"It has been here for a long time, the text is off and on, hard to read.
....Perhaps I won't last much longer.
But at least, I have left the proof of the honorable Acacia Dragoons here...
the proof of the Dragoons...?" (It must be the ring)
Strange... now that I take another look at the inscription we found earlier, there's a certain stone just beside it that doesn't seem to have any cement around it...
We walk over to it. Kid tugs on it, and finds that it's loose.
Removing the heavy stone, a dim glistening light can be seen from far within the hole. Kid reaches in, and carefully removes the shimmering object.
A beautifully decorated gold ring sits in the palm of her hand! It's adorned with a slender set of leaves, like those of a fern, decorated with five small rubies around it.
"The Acacian coat of arms," Magil says.
Kid tries the ring on, but strangely enough, it doesn't seem to fit on any of her fingers.
"This ring must mean something to the old man. We could use it to break through his wall, couldn't we?" I excitedly ask Magil, already knowing the answer.
He nods in silence. Yeah, this has to be it!
The proof of the Acacia Dragoons.
"Over there, what's that...?"
Kid points at the wall.
I look at where she's pointing...it is near the blood characters...
"I think I see it."
One of the stone blocks on that wall is damaged, there's a crack on it.
Something is shining inside it.
Kid puts her fingers inside and clips the shining thing carefully.
It is a fine decorated thin ring, around it, some layers of tiny leaves like fernery interlace with each other.
Along the middle line of the ring, there are 5 grape-seed like rubies ...
"The Acacia emblem...
Can it be, the proof of the Acacia Dragoons?"
Kid tries the ring on her middle finger, but it doesn't fit.
The ring begins to shimmer mysteriously.
"Enough, I don't want to stay in such a place any longer. Let's go!"
I take the thin silk thread into my hand and hang it down into the huge, marble mouth.
"That's a silk fishing line, taken from a royal silkworm. Be careful with it."
I can feel it hook on to something, as the thread gives a bit of a tug. Looking in, it appears to be some sort of paper.
"All right! We're on to somethin' for sure!" Kid says, trying to look inside.
She tilts her head forward, trying to see in better.
But then, the Mouth of Truth stretches out its tongue!
Slurrrp!
"Aaahhh! What the heck!?"
Burrrrp!
Where the tongue licked us, we start to feel a warmth, which gradually spreads over our bodies!
Whoa... we're being healed!
In orginal script, Kid dodges the tongue, so Serge becomes the victim. He's always a fall guy, hehe.
Again, some details, I don't want to translate the whole story.
In scenario "Shadow Realm":
- Those dancing nobles don't wear decaying tuxedoes and tattered dresses. And the trie don't know they are ghosts until.... A maid walks toward Kid, but to everyone's surprise, she passes through Kid like a phantom! And then they notice the lower part of the maid's leg is transparent, so do the other dancers. The ghosts don't reply, they don't say "Ghosts!? Nooo!!"
- Serge depicts how Kid and Lilith conspire to conquer the world in his mind. So he snatches the book from Kid's hand(who already accepts it from Lilith), LMAO.
- When Serge shouts "We don't need that thing!", Lilith doesn't laugh at him. Instead, Kid tugs his ear: "This is none of your business!" LOL
- As I said previously, Lilith's scythe doesn't hit Kid, but the wind generated by the swing.
- "She helped you... and now you're doing this to her!?" I shout. This is not spoken by Serge, but Kid, "I freed you...blahblah"
- Magil's fireball magic is deflected by Lilith's scythe, the fire flies here and there. Serge doesn't cover Kid, who has not fainted at this time. Instead Kid condemns Magil to be so careless while dodging the fire.
- Magil replies like what I said in the top topic.
- Despite her delirious circumstances, Kid opens her eyes just enough to recognize me and smile.
"Serge... thank you... protect me..."
"We're not giving up yet, Kid...!"
It's the least I can do, to comfort her... I don't know what else to do.
So according to the fact that Serge doesn't cover her previously, the dialogue should be:
"Take care of yourself. Don't die in that bloody fool's hand!"
Even under a circumstance like this, Kid doesn't ask help from me.
"It's prolly Lynx's adopted daughter," Kid says, looking over my shoulder with her nose crinkled. "...Pedophile."
Actually, the original script uses Lolicon(ロリコン).
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Is it possible to get all these updated translations in patched format?
Alternatively I can teach myself how to overlay these new translations onto demiforce's patch, if anyone can point me in the right direction on how to do that.
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You can view their sourceforge page.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/radicaldreamers/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/radicaldreamers/)
Yeah, but I believe those "translations" are far from usable, they are scattered pieces.
If you want to make a retranslation, they can't not be sufficient.
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You can view their sourceforge page.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/radicaldreamers/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/radicaldreamers/)
Sadly, those are 6 years old, and not updated as per the translations in this thread.
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Reviving a dead topic to ask something
Earlier you said Riddel and Esmeld didn't have a romantic relationship, merely that she and Viper were kind to him. But also in those lines:
"Anyhow, for the sake of harnessing the power of the Frozen Flame, Lord Lynx
abducted Miss Riddel, taking her as his own daughter. Within that strange
rock lies a strong mental connection to this particular Mistress...
And so, I have resided here all these years, silently waiting for the right
time to exact revenge on Lord Lynx for taking my dear Miss Riddel from me.
If you have come in order to find Lord Lynx, promise me you will not mention
any of this. You have come here to slay him, have you not?" Esmeld asks
calmly, holding the key in his hand.
Is the connection between Riddel and the Frozen Flame in the original version? Is she... AN ARBITER?! She knows an awful lot about Zeal in the original too, so...
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I think that is where the arbiter idea comes from? She knows alot about Zeal perhaps because her "father" knows. You know Lynx has a good collection of books/tomes...or perhaps Viper himself was also an Zeal expert.
It reminds me of some odd story. For example, in Splatterhouse 3 (an video game if you don't know), the minions of the Evil God plan to resurrect him with the power of the Dark Stone, they also need a child with psychic power as a key, otherwise the "rite" won't work.
Though that is not something famous, but I wonder such kind of stories are not uncommon, a writer like Kato might have read a lot, so there's a chance the idea slipped through his mind...
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maggiekarp's question made me wonder something when I looked up the Japanese line.
「凍てついた炎の力を殺さないために、ヤマネコ様はリデルお嬢様をひきとられたのです。
あの生きた、不思議な石は、お嬢様と精神的なつながりがあるようで……。
I'm curious about the first sentence. Online translations suggest it's saying something about not killing the power of the Frozen Flame. Is that right? Does it make sense with the Demiforce interpretation of 'harnessing' the Flame's power (as in he adopted her to make full use of its power), or is it something different (as in possibly the Flame's power going down if anything happened to her)?
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Yeah, you are right. In order not to kill the power of the Frozen Flame, Lord Lynx adopted Miss Riddel as his daughter. The living, mysterious stone seems to have some sort of mental connection with Miss Riddel (or have a connection with Miss Riddel's mentality, sounds better in that way).
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Is it possible that Lynx thought the wrong girl was Schala?
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No evidence.
But maybe Vera knows more.
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Damn, what should we make of this? Riddel, a potential Arbiter?
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That's an old theory (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,1129.0.html). You don't need the info here to think up that theory.
Or was there something in the retranslated text that makes it more viable?