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Title: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Dark Serge on November 26, 2008, 09:22:03 am: Somehow Fritz who is almost being executed in 1000 AD is related to the man who wrote the note in 2300 AD. I don't know how, but this time around I didn't save him, and there is NO note in the sewers in 2300 AD. If you leave him alive, there's a note that says how a man can't defeat the monsters and would have preferred the guillotine.

I don't know how it's possible, but these two events are related. Was it maybe a descendant of Fritz? Did Fritz... time travel?

Discuss
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 26, 2008, 09:41:52 am: Perhaps he came from Fritz' family line?
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Dark Serge on November 26, 2008, 09:46:23 am: Yeah but still. How big is the chance that both Fritz and someone from his family both almost got the guillotine?

It could also be a plothole. Maybe they just made that note as a gameplay element so you know about the monsters.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 26, 2008, 09:49:02 am: I always thought that it was strange it talked about a guillotine.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Rio Rock on November 26, 2008, 10:39:29 am: Interesting. Was it the same in the SNES or PSX version?
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Dark Serge on November 26, 2008, 10:44:57 am: I don't think so, but I can't say for sure.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Vehek on November 26, 2008, 12:07:39 pm: Same in the Japanese version, but not in Woolsey's translation.
Quote from: Kwhazit Retranslation
There's a journal.
On the last page, this is written:

I'm at my limit.
If I make a sound, I'm attacked by the half-fish......
I can't take it any more.

If it's gonna be like this, I'd rather have gotten
the guillotine sentence.

I'm gonna give it one final shout!
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Belaith on November 26, 2008, 12:20:16 pm: Fritz may have found the gate in Guardia Forest. Other than that, there's no possible way he lived that long.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 26, 2008, 12:21:02 pm: Then why is he still in the shop after the note was found?
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Belaith on November 26, 2008, 12:29:03 pm: Is there anything that states that the future date is the exact same as the present date?
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: KebreI on November 26, 2008, 12:29:47 pm: I don't think its Fritz. It doesn't make sense A) how would he have time traveled there and still be at the original time period? How did he get all the way to the sewers? "I'd rather have gotten the guillotine" sound like an expression to show how bad the situation is.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Dark Serge on November 26, 2008, 12:34:03 pm: Quote from: KebreI on November 26, 2008, 12:29:47 pm
I don't think its Fritz. It doesn't make sense A) how would he have time traveled there and still be at the original time period? How did he get all the way to the sewers? "I'd rather have gotten the guillotine" sound like an expression to show how bad the situation is.

That would be the reasonable explanation IF the note was still there when Fritz dies. If you let Fritz die the note disappears. So somehow Fritz existence in 1000 AD affects the note in 2300 AD. I can't explain how, but you can't deny this.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Belaith on November 26, 2008, 12:36:52 pm: I'm sure if Fritz survived the guillotine he would have told his family members. They probably made reference to the story of Fritz and the guillotine stating that they would rather be in the guillotine than deal with the sewers.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: mav on November 26, 2008, 12:40:40 pm: Quote from: Dark Serge on November 26, 2008, 12:34:03 pm
If you let Fritz die the note disappears. So somehow Fritz existence in 1000 AD affects the note in 2300 AD. I can't explain how, but you can't deny this.
That's what makes all this seem strange, I wanted to say that Fritz wrote the note before he was going to be executed, but that'd mean that he was killed at the hands of the fish-men.

But Laith's explanation is pretty good, I suppose members of the Fritz family have a knack for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Dark Serge on November 26, 2008, 12:42:48 pm: Quote from: Laith on November 26, 2008, 12:36:52 pm
I'm sure if Fritz survived the guillotine he would have told his family members. They probably made reference to the story of Fritz and the guillotine stating that they would rather be in the guillotine than deal with the sewers.

I suppose that could be right. He sorta did have a lover so it'd make sense he'd have children as well.

Guess it's a descendant after all. Funny though how two reasonably unimportant events are linked together like that.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: mav on November 26, 2008, 12:48:58 pm: Heh, I guess the Chrono series has a habit of doing that.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 26, 2008, 12:51:56 pm: Quote from: Dark Serge on November 26, 2008, 12:42:48 pm
Quote from: Laith on November 26, 2008, 12:36:52 pm
I'm sure if Fritz survived the guillotine he would have told his family members. They probably made reference to the story of Fritz and the guillotine stating that they would rather be in the guillotine than deal with the sewers.

I suppose that could be right. He sorta did have a lover so it'd make sense he'd have children as well.

Guess it's a descendant after all. Funny though how two reasonably unimportant events are linked together like that.

I figured as much. If it was connected to Fritz then it had to be a descendant.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Belaith on November 26, 2008, 12:52:58 pm: Every little detail in the game will be put to use in a later event.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Shinrin on November 27, 2008, 06:53:07 pm: It could of been fritz.. (bloody unlikely) .. if the sewer system existed in 1000 A.D. because the sewers in 2300 A.D match up where Truce should be.. but who knows?
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Romana on November 27, 2008, 07:07:18 pm: Maybe he's the exciting protagonist of Chrono Break and it explains this!
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 27, 2008, 07:25:07 pm: We don't even know if they made Break.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Dark Serge on November 27, 2008, 07:44:13 pm: Well, the name Chrono Brake should still be registered under Square's name in Japan. Right now things are looking pretty positive.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 27, 2008, 07:55:11 pm: Who knows?
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Matt72 on November 27, 2008, 07:57:16 pm: That's actually pretty cool. I like it when games change based on the slightest little things you do. (Like the Fritz thing, or the ending of CT with the cats.)
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: utunnels on November 29, 2008, 02:34:28 am: Maybe that's Fritz's grandgrandgrand.....son.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 29, 2008, 09:23:32 am: Quote from: utunnels on November 29, 2008, 02:34:28 am
Maybe that's Fritz's grandgrandgrand.....son.

Ow, my head hurts. :roll:
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: ZealKnight on November 29, 2008, 11:28:25 pm: I think it will be part of brake. Just because I want it to.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: RyougaSaotome on November 30, 2008, 01:07:35 am: ^Easily the best reasoning I've ever come across. :lol:

Nice to see yet another small little undiscovered detail in the game. It's astounding just how much attention to detail was paid to the time travel mechanics.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Nitemares on December 04, 2008, 09:12:59 am: i started a new game plus and didn't save fritz and the note isn't there in the sewers, kinda cool, i only didn't save him cause i read this thread
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 04, 2008, 09:52:57 am: So then the guy who leaves the note is a descendant of Fritz.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: IStoleTheStars on December 04, 2008, 12:59:32 pm: Well there's only one answer that makes sense..... IT'S ROBO FRITZ!!!!

Seriously though, I never noticed that. That's a pretty cool thing though, that a small act like saving fritz could have that kind of an impact in 2300. Cool.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 04, 2008, 01:09:49 pm: Quote from: IStoleTheStars on December 04, 2008, 12:59:32 pm
IT'S ROBO FRITZ!!!!

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg66/kingofkongs15/picard-no-facepalm.jpg)
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: HyperNerd on December 05, 2008, 12:44:56 am: :shock: :shock: :lee: :shock:

ROBO FRITZ!!!??
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 05, 2008, 12:57:09 am: Quote from: HyperNerd on December 05, 2008, 12:44:56 am
:shock: :shock: :lee: :shock:

There is a spy among us. (http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s112/_Nik-iCons/Motivational%20Posters/Espionage.jpg)

I almost didn't notice, and would not have made such a silly joke. I could never allow that!
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: HartleySan on December 05, 2008, 01:53:14 am: I'm putting my money on the fact that the developers just wanted to subtlely remind the gamer that they did in fact let Fritz die, and make them feel guilty about it all over again.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 05, 2008, 10:16:46 am: Guilt tripping us? Why would they want to do that to us?
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: IStoleTheStars on December 05, 2008, 01:07:42 pm: Quote from: Shadow D. Darkman on December 04, 2008, 01:09:49 pm

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg66/kingofkongs15/picard-no-facepalm.jpg)

Well it was supposed to be stupid. I wasn't setting out to be the next comedic sensation or anything. It was supposed to be a purposely stupid comment. I guess I shouldn't try and convey things that are supposed to be stupid over the internet since no one can see that in typing a lot of the time like they could in a conversation.

As for the guilt thing, maybe they did that just to show how bleak the future is. A family line that's been around for 1000 or so years is wiped out, even if you saved their predecessor in 1000 ad. Kinda like "some things can't be changed".

Or something along those lines. That's the only guess I'd have.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Belaith on December 05, 2008, 05:41:30 pm: Fritz input his memory into Nu. Nu wanted to explore the sewers. Nu couldn't handle the sewers. Nu writes a note then enters his last battle. Nu dies.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Dark Serge on December 05, 2008, 05:47:56 pm: Quote from: Laith on December 05, 2008, 05:41:30 pm
Fritz input his memory into Nu. Nu wanted to explore the sewers. Nu couldn't handle the sewers. Nu writes a note then enters his last battle. Nu dies.

Hahahaha, brilliant explanation. :lol:

Those Nu's sure are handy. Hah, it would be rich to see a fanfic about that: Nu's adventure in the sewers. xD
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Belaith on December 05, 2008, 06:44:24 pm: It's better than ROBOFRITZ.

I think I'll attempt to write the fanfic on Nu.

"Nu: The Sewer Chronicles:
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Jarristopheles on December 05, 2008, 06:58:30 pm: Hmm, I missed the last note, but then again, I missed quite a few items in the 2300 A.D. Vortex. Interesting, though.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: utunnels on December 06, 2008, 01:48:58 am: Quote from: Laith on December 05, 2008, 05:41:30 pm
Fritz input his memory into Nu. Nu wanted to explore the sewers. Nu couldn't handle the sewers. Nu writes a note then enters his last battle. Nu dies.
But how could memory transfer be possible in 1000.A.D?

Maybe he time traveled to the furture through the gate, got caught by some crazy scientist like Belthasar and became some sort of guinea pig, and then his memory was copied to a Nu, blah blah...
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Belaith on December 06, 2008, 02:10:26 am: Fritz may have survived the fall of Guardia. Who knows, the technology may have become available some time after. Nu's don't die of old age.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on December 06, 2008, 09:25:40 am: Or you could call it...

THE NU ADVENTURES OF FRITZ

Get it? Like "Nu" instead of "New"...? Get it? Didja get it? Got it? Oh ho ho ho!
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Acacia Sgt on December 06, 2008, 08:13:19 pm: Quote from: Boo the Gentleman Caller on December 06, 2008, 09:25:40 am
Or you could call it...

THE NU ADVENTURES OF FRITZ

Get it? Like "Nu" instead of "New"...? Get it? Didja get it? Got it? Oh ho ho ho!

... At least it's better than Robo Fritz...
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Belaith on December 06, 2008, 08:20:46 pm: The Nu Adventures of Fritz is going to be one of those exotic novels. Nu touches himself throughout the sewers. He also frequently fondels various creatures.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 06, 2008, 11:37:03 pm: Uhh...

NO. (http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc144/Phillies526/FAIL.jpg)
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: chrono eric on December 07, 2008, 04:54:45 am: Perhaps in the original timeline, Fritz was the original time traveller chosen by the Entity to defeat Lavos. But then when he got to the Sewers in 2300 AD, he was all "Man this is way too complicated for me to figure out how to press two buttons, evade these sewer monsters, and get the hell outta here. But you know, I kind of like it here and I never really wanted to defeat that porcupine thing anyways".

The Entity, surprised by Fritz' arrogant abandonment of his epic task, decides to try for a Plan B with a spiky haired kid that plays with swords too much. Luckily, things worked out better the second time around.

[/end sarcasm]
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on December 07, 2008, 09:46:50 am: Maybe he can mate with the monsters in the sewers, and those can be the Mutants that terrify the people in the domes in 2300 AD. And then those Mutants can travel back in time (by using straight jackets and medications, as seen in "The Jacket") and evolved in the ~~Mystics~~ Fiends that we know and love!
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: chrono eric on December 08, 2008, 02:12:30 am: I propose that we merge my theory and Boo's to make one grand unified theory of Fritz. You know he had to be itchin for some sweet luvin' after being stuck in the sewers for so long. After a while I bet those sewer monsters started looking purty sexuh.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Belaith on December 09, 2008, 02:21:09 pm: Quote from: Shadow D. Darkman on December 06, 2008, 11:37:03 pm
Uhh...

NO. (http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc144/Phillies526/FAIL.jpg)
My, my. You're quite the party pooper.

New Theory Alert!

The Entity had a plan for Fritz all along. Fritz was supposed to die a horrible death for an unknown reason. Whether it be for the Entity's enjoyment or Fritz just pissed him off, he was supposed to die. When Crono and Lucca saved him from the guillotine the Entity had another way for him to die. Fritz was sent to the sewers in 2300 A.D. and left to die. Fritz may have known the Entity and knew it had it out for him. This is why my explanation was not in his letter.
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: Feldschlacht IV on December 10, 2008, 11:53:07 pm: Well, this is interesting to know. Why was Fritz imprisoned, anyway?
Title: Re: Fritz = Man who wrote note in 2300 AD, somehow
Post by: V_Translanka on December 11, 2008, 12:50:50 am: He was mistaken for being part of a team of thieves that were staying at the same inn as him, I believe...Unless I'm taking this from that Fritz fanfic I read a while ago, I forget...Anyways, this topic is getting way too stupid...I'm talking like stupid for GameFAQs stupid...
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo81/V_Translanka/lockesaysno.gif)

LOCKE'D