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Title: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Rio Rock on November 25, 2008, 07:21:39 pm
A new guidebook is out: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible

(http://666kb.com/i/b459exmd4v2h2jk3k.jpg)

338 pages
Publisher: 集英社 Shueisha (2008/11)
ISBN-10: 4087794830
ISBN-13: 978-4087794830
Release Date: 2008/11
Product Dimensions: 8.3 x 5.8 x 1.1 inches

http://vjumpbooks.com/

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-lz-49-en-70-33j0.html
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 25, 2008, 07:34:25 pm
If they don't put it in English they will be Sun-Stoned (they will have Sun Stones thrown at them until they do it or die, IDC)
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Romana on November 25, 2008, 08:12:16 pm
Awesome! I'm buying this!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 25, 2008, 08:23:37 pm
...too bad we'll never see it in English...
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 25, 2008, 08:51:25 pm
:evil: WHAT!?!?!? THOSE FUCKERS!!! (Pardon my French :oops:) THEY ARE DEAD!!!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Dark Serge on November 25, 2008, 09:20:10 pm
Same with Ultimania, Japan gets all the cool stuff :(
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 25, 2008, 09:46:11 pm
Ya damn right, Dark.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Romana on November 25, 2008, 11:22:32 pm
:evil: WHAT!?!?!? THOSE FUCKERS!!! (Pardon my French :oops:) THEY ARE DEAD!!!

"Those fuckers" are the ones providing you with a shiny awesome enhanced Chrono Trigger port.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 25, 2008, 11:45:51 pm
:evil: WHAT!?!?!? THOSE FUCKERS!!! (Pardon my French :oops:) THEY ARE DEAD!!!

"Those fuckers" are the ones providing you with a shiny awesome enhanced Chrono Trigger port.

You're splitting hairs. Stop it.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: KebreI on November 25, 2008, 11:54:36 pm
And your proving to be more of a pest then a valuable member. Please there is no need for excessive sized font.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 26, 2008, 01:14:37 am
Yeah, god forbid Japanese people print something in Japanese. We're lucky that something's even coming out. This is probably going to contain commentary by Kato on the Dream Devourer, so I'll try to get a copy for future translation.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Rio Rock on November 26, 2008, 06:12:14 am
I'll get my copy too! I guess there's a lot of info about the Arena inside. I would like to see all evolution charts.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: placidchap on November 26, 2008, 08:17:55 am
Where are all the people that can understand Japanese when you need them.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Azure on November 26, 2008, 08:56:25 am
I'll guess a great number of them are...  I dunno...  In Japan ;)

 :lol:  Don't take that personal..  Just felt llike being sarcastic ;)
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 26, 2008, 10:46:38 am
Where are all the people that can understand Japanese when you need them.

Where's Shinja when you need him/her?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 27, 2008, 02:34:29 am
At this point, I'll probably just pay professional translators out of my pocket once my business career begins in 2010.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 27, 2008, 10:32:19 am
At this point, I'll probably just pay professional translators out of my pocket once my business career begins in 2010.

Ooh, cool!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: NaYA on November 27, 2008, 09:49:11 pm
At this point, I'll probably just pay professional translators out of my pocket once my business career begins in 2010.
To translate a whole book? Do you know how much it would cost to do that?!
It costs couple hundred dollars just to translate a few pages of documents...
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 28, 2008, 03:43:16 am
Do we have any other choice?  :?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Ramsus on November 28, 2008, 04:41:58 am
Do we have any other choice?  :?

Realistically, the site's been around long enough that we should've just learned Japanese.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: RyougaSaotome on November 28, 2008, 06:10:44 am
Alright, so I purchased a copy of this the day before CT DS came out in Japan, and I suppose I'll be the bearer of bad news.

As far as I can read (And I can read Japanese pretty well), there is no info on the Dream Devourer, Lavos, or any of that jazz. No commentary either. In fact, there isn't even a strategy on how to beat any of the canon bosses in the extra dungeon. The dimensional Vortex gets no coverage. Disappointing? Yes, it is.

I'd argue the book isn't worth it, but because it's something related to our favorite series, I'd recommend buying it just to boost sales. Heh.

If anyone has any questions about the content, feel free to ask me.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 28, 2008, 10:17:18 am
Alright, so I purchased a copy of this the day before CT DS came out in Japan, and I suppose I'll be the bearer of bad news.

As far as I can read (And I can read Japanese pretty well), there is no info on the Dream Devourer, Lavos, or any of that jazz. No commentary either. In fact, there isn't even a strategy on how to beat any of the canon bosses in the extra dungeon. The dimensional Vortex gets no coverage. Disappointing? Yes, it is.

I'd argue the book isn't worth it, but because it's something related to our favorite series, I'd recommend buying it just to boost sales. Heh.

If anyone has any questions about the content, feel free to ask me.

OK, I'll bite. What IS covered in there?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Nexus on November 28, 2008, 12:41:44 pm
Well this sounds somewhat disappointing. You would think they would include an interview or such in it to explain some of the aspects of the new content.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 28, 2008, 05:16:07 pm
Well this sounds somewhat disappointing. You would think they would include an interview or such in it to explain some of the aspects of the new content.

I'm listening... (not liking where this is going)
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: RyougaSaotome on November 30, 2008, 09:43:32 am
Alright, turns out I lied. The book does contain info on the Lost Sanctum and the Dimensional Vortex.

The bad news is that it's so scant, that that's the reason I missed it in the first place. Both extras get a mere two pages each, neither detailing anything remotely useful about either dungeon set. Especially in the case of the Dimensional Vortex which only outlines where the three gates are, and what the maps for the gates look like. That's it. No strategy on any bosses, nothing.

The rest of the book serves as a fairly good guide to the game, with a list containing all teches, a full bestiary (Save for any creatures new to this version), and various info on every time period. Nothing enlightening in the least, but if you don't already know CT like the back of your hand, I certainly can't see you purchasing a worse guide at the moment (Given it's the only one available right now...).

I'd advise people wait though. When Sigma Harmonix had first came out, a third party guide was released, and then a few months later, SE released one with interviews, etc. They always do that, so you're better off waiting for the SE- super dooper better than all the rest buy our shit-version of the guide.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 30, 2008, 10:00:04 am
The bad news is that it's so scant, that that's the reason I missed it in the first place. Both extras get a mere two pages each, neither detailing anything remotely useful about either dungeon set. Especially in the case of the Dimensional Vortex which only outlines where the three gates are, and what the maps for the gates look like. That's it. No strategy on any bosses, nothing.

:shock:

What?

N-n-n-n...

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2319/1722970184_d9f89062a7.jpg?v=0)
SD: Ugh, bad quality, but it beats some of the other shit I found on Google Images. :roll:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Rio Rock on November 30, 2008, 11:02:58 am
@ RyougaSaotome :

Does the book contain info about the Arena? Maybe evolution charts?


@ Shadow D. Darkman :

Would you please stop spamming around?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: RyougaSaotome on November 30, 2008, 11:10:52 am
No evolution charts. Once again, just very basic information, a map of the place, and some scattered details here and there. As far as I can tell, nothing very useful.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 30, 2008, 03:35:11 pm
Would you please stop spamming around?

Dude, that's not spam, that's my reaction, illustrated. Jesus, it's not like I asked you to look at it.

EDIT: It's like lemon warnings on Fan Fictions, don't like it, don't read it, but DON'T F***ING COMPLAIN ABOUT IT!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Ramsus on November 30, 2008, 06:10:03 pm
Would you please stop spamming around?

Dude, that's not spam, that's my reaction, illustrated. Jesus, it's not like I asked you to look at it.

EDIT: It's like lemon warnings on Fan Fictions, don't like it, don't read it, but DON'T F***ING COMPLAIN ABOUT IT!

Sorry, but unless your post contains at least:

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... meaningful content, you really shouldn't be replying to every other post in every thread. That's the very definition of spamming around (illustrated, for your obvious benefit). If people want to complain, they have a bloody damn good right to, because this forum is for the entire community, and you're just a small part of that. It's probably time you started acting like it to and show some courtesy by not taking away from the actual discussion by filling every thread with useless noise.

All it takes is a couple more members who do that, and then everyone else has to start going through 10 pages of discussion to read a handful of useful posts.

Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 30, 2008, 08:40:29 pm
10 pages of discussion to read a handful of useful posts.

Which is my nightmare. I invariably go through everything to pick out the important bits, especially in the analysis forum, and nothing beats going through a thread like "Why Crono?" or "did crono die when porre attacked" and finding absolutely nothing useful in 20 pages.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 30, 2008, 08:41:57 pm
So... what, you take their side or...?  :? <(???)
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 30, 2008, 08:47:05 pm
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So... what, you take their side or...?  Confused <(???)

Yes.  That was Z's polite way of saying that he agrees with Ramsus.  The fact that both Ramsus and Zeality - the founding fathers of the Compendium, and the two of the 'very importants' around here - have commented on this matter should serve as a huge warning to you.  Please head their words, and only post if you having something meaningful to add.  We have enough noise in these forums as is, and it's pretty much doubled since you've got here.

We're not trying to be jerks or anything, we're just saying, "only post when you have something meaningful to say."
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Ramsus on December 01, 2008, 03:31:37 am
Actually, General Discussion exists for the sole purpose of random or (as far as the site goes) meaningless discussion. Chrono Gameplay/Casual Discussion right above that forum exists for more or less the same reason, but for game-related discussion.

Those two forums were created to keep this kind of useless one-linerism out of the analysis forums and somewhere where it wouldn't do any harm. Since the CT DS forum was created to enliven discussion about the game in the same vein as the Analysis forums and Kajar Labs, I'd say that casual conversation outside of threads created for that obvious purpose (i.e. "Just Got My Copy") still belong in the casual discussion forums.

If someone can't hold themselves to that standard, then we can always limit them to only being able to post in the Site Discussion forums, but we usually wouldn't ban anyone for it.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: RyougaSaotome on December 01, 2008, 09:47:40 am
Does anyone else have perhaps any specific questions they'd like to ask about the content of the guide? I apologize if previous answers were general, but so were the questions, so I'd rather not have to post large chunks of information because people just wanted to know the broad strokes of the guide.^_^;; I apologize for the laziness, but college work here in Kyoto can do that to a person.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Magus22 on December 01, 2008, 10:11:21 am
I have seen a couple new CTDS Perfect Bibles on eBay and from sellers I have already done business with in Japan.

I will be looking into this. My goal is to purchase this and analyze the text and hopefully discover something fruitful. I will keep you appraised.

EDIT: Aware of RyougaSaotome post, however, as a die-hard Chrono fan, I will still acquire this.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Nexus on December 01, 2008, 03:13:39 pm
Does anyone else have perhaps any specific questions they'd like to ask about the content of the guide? I apologize if previous answers were general, but so were the questions, so I'd rather not have to post large chunks of information because people just wanted to know the broad strokes of the guide.^_^;; I apologize for the laziness, but college work here in Kyoto can do that to a person.

How about anything information you think would be worth mention. Such as whatever the guide mentions about the new content if that isn't to much trouble.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Vehek on December 02, 2008, 07:20:13 pm
I saw something interesting on a Japanese site about CTDS. There's going to be an Ultimania for Chrono Trigger!

A news article that the information comes from:
http://www.bent.co.jp/main/news/20081202.htm
Quote
2008.12.02
『クロノ』ファンのみなさんのご期待に応えます!
「クロノ・トリガー アルティマニア」2009年1月20日発売決定!

 大好評発売中のニンテンドーDS用RPG『クロノ・トリガー』のすべてを網羅する一冊「クロノ・トリガーアルティマニア」(編集・執筆:スタジオベントスタッフ/企画・制作:スクウェア・エニックス/価格未定)が、2009年1月20日に発売されることが決定しました。

 オールカラー592ページ+折りこみポスターという大ボリュームで、『クロノ・トリガー』のありとあらゆる要素を徹底解説します。
 3つの新シナリオや次元の闘技場といった、DS版での追加要素の詳細まで完全掲載。DS版『クロノ・トリガー』をコンプリートするために必携の一冊となっています。
 また、おなじみのシークレットコーナーをはじめ、キャラクターの語りで紹介するショートストーリー(執筆:ベニー松山)、開発スタッフインタビューなど、『クロノ・トリガー』ファンの人なら見逃せない記事も満載です。
 どうぞ、お楽しみに!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 02, 2008, 07:32:52 pm
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2008.12.02
『クロノ』ファンのみなさんのご期待に応えます!
「クロノ・トリガー アルティマニア」2009年1月20日発売決定!

 大好評発売中のニンテンドーDS用RPG『クロノ・トリガー』のすべてを網羅する一冊「クロノ・トリガーアルティマニア」(編集・執筆:スタジオベントスタッフ/企画・制作:スクウェア・エニックス/価格未定)が、2009年1月20日に発売されることが決定しました。

 オールカラー592ページ+折りこみポスターという大ボリュームで、『クロノ・トリガー』のありとあらゆる要素を徹底解説します。
 3つの新シナリオや次元の闘技場といった、DS版での追加要素の詳細まで完全掲載。DS版『クロノ・トリガー』をコンプリートするために必携の一冊となっています。
 また、おなじみのシークレットコーナーをはじめ、キャラクターの語りで紹介するショートストーリー(執筆:ベニー松山)、開発スタッフインタビューなど、『クロノ・トリガー』ファンの人なら見逃せない記事も満載です。
 どうぞ、お楽しみに!

Translated:

Quote
Meets 'the expectation only of the [kurono]' fan!
{kurono} {torigaaruteimania} 2009 January 20th sale decision!
 One volume {kurono} thoroughly contains everything of the RPG '{kurono} trigger is in the midst of very popular selling' for {nintendo} DS which {torigaaruteimania} which (compilation writing: Studio vent staff/plan production: {sukuuea} {enitsukusu}/price undecided), being sold on 2009 January 20th it decided. All color 592 page + it tucks and with the large volume, poster, 'it is thorough it explains all element of the {kurono} trigger'.
 You called three new scenarios and the competition place of dimension, to details of the additional element in DS edition perfection publication.The DS edition '{kurono} trigger' it has become one volume of indispensableness in order to complete.  In addition, the short story which is introduced in the talking of the character including the well-known secret corner, (writing: If {beni} Matsuyama), 'person of the {kurono} trigger' fan such as development staff interview also the article which cannot be overlooked is full load.
 Please, in the pleasure!

Can someone translate the words in {these} from Japanese phonetics? The translator I used (http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/translate) could only translate them out of kanji/katakana.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: FaustWolf on December 02, 2008, 07:36:51 pm
Nice. This is the book we'll have to get and translate. If I'm understanding Shadow D. Darkman's web translation correctly, this will include some official explanation of the new content. Is that everyone else's reading?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 02, 2008, 11:35:23 pm
Yeah, and a developer staff interview. Hello, Kato!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 02, 2008, 11:43:13 pm
OH, SHIT!!! KATO JUST RETCONNED THE INTERVIEW!!!

SD: I know, I'm not funny. :(
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Nexus on December 02, 2008, 11:50:37 pm
Nice. This is the book we'll have to get and translate. If I'm understanding Shadow D. Darkman's web translation correctly, this will include some official explanation of the new content. Is that everyone else's reading?

Yep this seems to be the book to get for actual official information on the new content in CTDS. I'm looking forward to any new information that comes from this book. So I hope there are some people around who can translate and are willing to. Since this could have some nice information pertaining to the Chrono games.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: RyougaSaotome on December 03, 2008, 05:04:37 am
Can't say I didn't see this coming.

Since I live here, I can easily attain the book on the 20th next month. I'd be happy to help translate if anyone wants a hand.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Captain B on December 03, 2008, 07:43:21 pm
 If all goes well, this site can become our version of the book. Zeality, how would you like to handle something like that? A special section for the site? Something in the Encyclopedia?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 12, 2008, 01:26:45 am
A new page on the encyclopedia centralizing all the new information provided will be enough. Since it'll have to be translated, it may be a subsection of the Supporting Material Translation article.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Jutty on December 17, 2008, 04:35:04 pm
We could scan it and and archive it as a .cbr and use CDisplay to view it after it's translated. To get a more authentic feel for it. I don't think it would be immoral, because it's not going to be released in our region. I would be willing to do the scans when I get a copy. That is if it would be something that the compendium wants.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Magus22 on December 31, 2008, 03:22:53 pm
So there are 2 different CT DS guide books...

Ultimania's release and this "Perfect Bible". The better of the 2 is Ultimania by far, but those "tid-bits" the Compendium seeks is within Ultimania, correct? Would there be any point in acquiring the "Perfect Bible" then since Ultimania seems like it will eclipse the "Perfect Bible" in overall info, features, and art?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 31, 2008, 03:40:22 pm
I guess not, if Ultimania is better, unless there are things in Perfect Bible that aren't in Ultimania.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: Zergplex on December 31, 2008, 03:47:47 pm
I would assume both would be necessary if only for completions sake. Ultimania may be better, but their are probably pieces of information that may not be duplicated between the two.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger Perfect Bible - New CTDS Guidebook
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 31, 2008, 05:29:23 pm
So there are 2 different CT DS guide books...

Ultimania's release and this "Perfect Bible". The better of the 2 is Ultimania by far, but those "tid-bits" the Compendium seeks is within Ultimania, correct? Would there be any point in acquiring the "Perfect Bible" then since Ultimania seems like it will eclipse the "Perfect Bible" in overall info, features, and art?

Barring any surprises, I imagine no. The people here have said that the Perfect Bible barely scratches the surface of the new content.