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Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Chrono Trigger DS Analysis => Topic started by: Romana on November 18, 2008, 03:59:13 pm

Title: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 18, 2008, 03:59:13 pm
The game's been released early in Hong Kong, apparently.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=950181&topic=46651206

People are saying it runs in English if your DS is set to that.

Also, apparently the roms freeze quite a bit.

Gonna get a rom and see for myself.

Quote from: Alex Stravier
Actually, there's anti-copying measures taken in the game, so until it's patched, it's impossible to get past the gate to 600AD; even if you do, the cathedral's organ doesn't open the door like it should.

Nuts.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 18, 2008, 04:19:35 pm
Nice! Time to test this shit out. Google ftw.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 18, 2008, 04:23:05 pm
Playing it now.

I know there's footage of people playing this on YouTube and stuff already, but I'm making a list anyway...

Touch/dual screen controls can be turned off, as well as movies.

...The 5 character limit is still there.
Japanese version can switch between Japanese and English in the configuration. The game runs off of English if your DS runs in that.

"Crono, are you still sleeping?"
Funny how the "Good morning, Crono!" line isn't in it.

Touching the screen when in front of an object/character interacts with them, e.g. Crono closes the curtains.

'Settings' has lots of new options.
Game Mode - Switch between DS and Classic (toggles screen layout).
Battle Mode - Active and Wait.
Battle Speed - 1-8, same as before.
Battle Message Speed - 1-8, same as before.

Battle Cursor Memory - Set cursor memory level (Full, Actions, Commands, Off).
Status Bars - On or Off.
Battle Gauges - Same as before ("Cannot be used in DS Mode.").
Help Messages - Same as before? ("Cannot be used in DS Mode.").

Control Scheme - Edit the controls for A, B, X, Y.
Movement - Walk or Run.
Shortcut Assignments - "Via this screen, you can arrange the icons that are shown at the bottom of the screen as you wander about the world." Allows you quick access to different parts of the menu. Very neat!
Menu Cursor Memory - On or Off. 'Toggle cursor position memory.' Same as before.

Movies - On or Off. SNES purists rejoice!
Window Design - Nothing new here.
Language - JPN or ENG.

Tonics -> Potions

Mayor's Manor contains a document on a bed upstairs that tells you about DS and Classic modes.

Guy in the inn no longer calls you an airhead for not remembering the earthquake. I liked that line. >:
[For the record, I'm not covering the script differences unless it's something fairly important.]

Upon saving the Arena mode became available. From the title menu, I think.

Mentioned elsewhere but Tabs are now 'Capsules'. E.g. 'Strength Capsule'

The kid in the fair refers to Magus as the 'Fiendlord'.

Not a big change, "Beat me up and earn 15 silver points" is now "If you can beat me up you'll earn 15 points"

Warp to 600AD from the fair never ends.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: FaustWolf on November 18, 2008, 04:34:38 pm
Does this mean we can theoretically put the Japanese version of CT:DS in English as well? That would give us five days' lead time in examining the full game!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 18, 2008, 04:39:34 pm
Editing my above post as I play, enjoy guys~.

I'll be computerless for a few hours, but I'll be writing this stuff down and posting it up shortly, if it's of any use.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 18, 2008, 05:00:44 pm
Do you happen to have savegames for post-600 A.D. warp and post-Cathedral door? It seems to bug out on those two spots.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 18, 2008, 05:02:57 pm
Sorry, nope.

As I mentioned earlier, there's apparently a lot of copyright protection in the game and it just freezes at those points. Shame... Not that far myself yet.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: FaustWolf on November 18, 2008, 05:11:16 pm
Do DS emulators make use of savestates? If the ROM is of "expected" size, then all the game data may be there, and copyright protection takes the form of a few purposeful glitches. By hacking a savestate, we may be able to change what room the characters are supposed to be in when the game loads, thus bypassing the roadblocks.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 18, 2008, 05:19:29 pm
Sorry, I'm running it on my DS (via a R4), and my computer is a Mac at the moment so I have no way of making use of a decent emulator (I'd upload screenshots if I did though). As far as I remember, though... I don't think any DS emulators use save states.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: MagilsugaM on November 18, 2008, 05:43:19 pm
Do DS emulators make use of savestates? If the ROM is of "expected" size, then all the game data may be there, and copyright protection takes the form of a few purposeful glitches. By hacking a savestate, we may be able to change what room the characters are supposed to be in when the game loads, thus bypassing the roadblocks.

Yeah, I used NO$GBA which now has almost perfect DS Emulation and it has save state support. But I only tried one game and crashed when loading the save state.  :lol:
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 18, 2008, 06:12:49 pm
For the record, I don't support the pirating of games over owning them yourself. I'm buying my own copy, so let's show some support for the series!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 18, 2008, 06:38:40 pm
Yes, I will play on my R4 (if possible) but I'll sure as hell buy it too. CT is too great to pirate.

Btw I just played through everything up until Marle's disappearance in 1000 AD and except the Arena. Now I can say for sure CT DS is freaking sweet. They polished up an awesome game and made something even better out of it.

Yes, this is a must buy.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: MagilsugaM on November 18, 2008, 06:46:03 pm
I am getting a ds soon so I'll buy it too.
Bu tI tryed it on a few emulators to see how it is. In No$GBA it shows a screen which says "Unable to access data. Please turn the power OFF and reinsert the game" But in IDeaS it works in Japanese but very slow. SO I'll just buy it when I get my DS.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 18, 2008, 06:49:09 pm
Another thing:

Once you save besides Arena you can access Extras in the title screen. These include a movie player to play all FMV's, a music player to play all music, an artwork viewer, a bestiary, a tech skill database, and more.

Btw, you unlock these during the game. E.g. once you've heard a track or seen a FMV you can view or hear it in the Extras menu. It's not available before that.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: mav on November 18, 2008, 06:58:23 pm
They had an Extras Menu in the Playstation release, right? And how's the translation been so far?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 18, 2008, 07:02:51 pm
Just preordered a Japanese copy. Anyone else who's impatient as hell, keep in mind the Japanese version has the english script so it's very much playable.

They had an Extras Menu in the Playstation release, right? And how's the translation been so far?

Yup, and the translation seems to be more or less a polished version of the original NA script. Names and such are kept (Magus is referred to as 'Fiendlord' now though), but I can't play very far to see more due to the copyright protection so... yeah.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 18, 2008, 07:06:33 pm
Pretty good from what I saw. Most of it is similar to Woolsey's, but "soda" has been changed to "drink", some tech names changed (Chrono's "Slash" to "Wind Slash"), and some item name changes.

"Tonic" to "Potion"
"Revive" to "Athenian Water"
"Heal" to "Panacea"

Not much more to say about it right now. The translation seems pretty good. But it seems they removed Glenn's shakespeare accent.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: justin3009 on November 18, 2008, 07:22:01 pm
This is pretty interesting.  The music sounds better and the colors seem better.  But has anyone noticed how the SFX are a little strange?  Anyway, the script is much more polished as said, and the "Mayor's Manor" has new NPC's in there to help explain the DS features.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 18, 2008, 07:29:11 pm
But has anyone noticed how the SFX are a little strange?

Ah yeah, I noticed the... enemies whose names I forgot from Guardia Forest have a new 'battle cry'.

I tried out Extras (fairly standard fun stuff) and the Arena earlier, which seems pretty interesting... Being able to alter your creature's growth by sending it to different time periods seems interesting.

By the way, aren't there two missing NPCs in Leene Square in the SNES CT? I remember one was a girl... They were in the beta. I was wondering if they were added into the DS version.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: V_Translanka on November 18, 2008, 07:54:03 pm
no$gba is a far from perfect DS emulator...It's pretty much the best there is, but it's not finished at all. Its save state feature only works for GBA games.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 18, 2008, 08:01:57 pm
Can't wait Can't wait Can't wait...

Hetakes make a battle cry now?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 18, 2008, 08:09:33 pm
The noise they make when you approach them. It's kinda different now.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: justin3009 on November 18, 2008, 08:21:43 pm
They're not longer Hetakes.  I think they're Anamita's now or something like that.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: FaustWolf on November 18, 2008, 08:25:45 pm
They renamed the Hetakes!? Is nothing sacred!?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 18, 2008, 08:42:28 pm
They even removed "Good morning, Crono!" and replaced it with "Are you awake Crono" or whatever the hell. Lmao @ www.goodmorningcrono.com
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Shinrin on November 18, 2008, 09:12:25 pm
I've played up to the part where you go back to 1000 a.d. after getting marle, then you are greeted with the teleport of doom again.

Someone actually got passed the part where you go to 600 some how.

Also, emulators can pass the check where you go into the first dungeon. ;)

It's been said the US version will allow you to name characters past 5 letters, i think they left it at 5 because of the game will mostly be played by japanese people.

It wouldn't be good to import it as by the time the game gets here from japan, you'd already have a copy of the us version :D
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: mav on November 18, 2008, 09:49:18 pm
No more Hetakes? Son of a fuck. Don't tell me they're getting rid of all the quirks...
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: MagilsugaM on November 18, 2008, 11:24:57 pm
They even removed "Good morning, Crono!" and replaced it with "Are you awake Crono" or whatever the hell. Lmao @ www.goodmorningcrono.com

That's funny they call the site godd morning crono and then they change. I hope thing like this would be change on the US version.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: utunnels on November 18, 2008, 11:38:51 pm
They even removed "Good morning, Crono!" and replaced it with "Are you awake Crono" or whatever the hell. Lmao @ www.goodmorningcrono.com
Pardon? But I didn't see that change.  lol
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 18, 2008, 11:39:05 pm
That is odd, seeing as how their whole marketing gimmick was based around "Good morning, Crono."
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 19, 2008, 02:38:40 am
Anyone interested in updating the CT DS encyclopedia page with everything contained herein and also the information presented in the last two updates (on the Arena of the Ages, Lost Sanctum, etc.)?

Pyt, if you've got a ton of free time, it's really not hard to type it out; I'm sure you've edited Wikipedia before, so you know how simple it is. I'm just too busy right now.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Eternal Myst on November 19, 2008, 03:03:47 am
For flashcart owners there are cheats, and patches to remove the anti-piracy measures.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 19, 2008, 03:17:51 am
For flashcart owners there are cheats, and patches to remove the anti-piracy measures.

Desperately looking for one, but no results yet
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Eternal Myst on November 19, 2008, 03:20:34 am
Go to www.gbatemp.net and ask in the release thread or read the homepage.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Eternal Myst on November 19, 2008, 03:29:34 am
also what card dp you have, darkserge?

(Just so you know I am pirating it, but I pre-ordered the game as a collectible.

...not to be ever opened.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: V_Translanka on November 19, 2008, 03:49:17 am
Anyone interested in updating the CT DS encyclopedia page with everything contained herein and also the information presented in the last two updates (on the Arena of the Ages, Lost Sanctum, etc.)?

Pyt, if you've got a ton of free time, it's really not hard to type it out; I'm sure you've edited Wikipedia before, so you know how simple it is. I'm just too busy right now.

It should probably contain the info on the new boss & ending stuff (which is part of one of the Temporal Vortex, I believe) which was mentioned in that thread in Viper Manor...That hasn't been mentioned in any of the prior updates, right?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 19, 2008, 04:14:46 am
I got the fix from GBATemp, now the game is fully unlocked. I'm gonna finally play it and I'll post anything significant changes.

Btw I use R4DS with 1.18 firmware.

Edit: I also just noticed, "But... The future refused to change." has been changed to "In the end... The future refused to change."
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 19, 2008, 06:29:25 am
Yeah, that stuff also.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 19, 2008, 07:41:42 am
Something interesting about the Gate Key:

Lucca: Anyways, I call these distortions "Gates"!
Lucca: They're basically portals to the same location in a different time.
Lucca: But Gates are unstable- that's why they appear and disappear all the time. So I used the principle behind my Telepod device...
Lucca: ...to create this Gate Key! It's what's locking the Gate in place.

Evidently, the Gate Key is more or less required to use Gates.

On a side note, the sprites have slightly been reworked. You don't notice it at first but it becomes obvious after a while.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: RyougaSaotome on November 19, 2008, 08:49:58 am
I'll be grabbing this tomorrow afternoon after morning classes.

I'm helluva excited to buy it. Though I'm sure it won't be as much of a "OMGWTF" moment as it was when I bought a sealed box Japanese Chrono Trigger for the Super Famicon here. XD
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 19, 2008, 10:03:40 am
Added some stuff to the wikipedia page, not sure if it's any good or not.

Though I'm sure it won't be as much of a "OMGWTF" moment as it was when I bought a sealed box Japanese Chrono Trigger for the Super Famicon here. XD

Jesus, how much did that cost you?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: RyougaSaotome on November 19, 2008, 10:11:01 am

Jesus, how much did that cost you?

2000 yen. I get the feeling that Chrono Trigger really isn't concerned a hotly rare item here. This was more enforced when I found Final Fantasy VI copies in the same store as well.

But needless to say, it still blew my mind. I don't collect games, but I NEEDED to own CT.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 19, 2008, 10:42:53 am
Oh, sorry; I meant http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Chrono_Trigger_DS.html
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 19, 2008, 11:31:47 am
Made some updates. I'll get more done as I find more info.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 19, 2008, 11:44:39 am
This new translation is somewhat intriguing. Everyone calls Magus the Fiendlord and there's more stuff like this. It's impossible to explain all of it, but some parts are exceptionally interesting.

Quote from: Belthasar, first time in 2300 A.D.
No! You mustn't go to Death Peak! Wouldn't make it very far, anyway... It has to be the right time, and... and it has to be them, or... or the way is shut! Yes, yes...

Yup, it's actually phrased that way. Also, Johnny's "gang" no longer calls him "THE MAN". Instead this has been changed to "Bro".

Moreover, I get the feeling some of the FMV's were modified. The rats in the "Robo" FMV made a sound I can't remember from the old FMV. Also the Jetbike race had a graphical upgrade, it seems.

More facts

- After arriving in Medina 1000 A.D. it became obvious that "Mystics" are now referred to as "fiends". Meaning "Mystics" may not be a canon way to refer to them anymore.
- Some interesting facts at Medina Square

Quote from: Mystics
It was the Fiendlord Magus who gave life to the almighty Lavos to aid us. And once Lavos awakens from his long slumber, the human race is doomed.

The almighty Fiendlord delivered Lavos unto us long ago with his great magic.

Did the Mystics talk about Lavos in the original CT? Weird how they're phrasing it here.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 19, 2008, 12:38:30 pm
Ah, thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 19, 2008, 01:10:28 pm
The note in the Sewers 2300 A.D. now says

Quote from: Note
I'm through. I can't take any more of this. The fishmen attack if I make even the slightest noise. If I knew things would be like this, I'd have taken the guillotine any day of the week. Think I'll go out with a good, loud scream- see how the soggy freaks like that!

Strange how they note that about the guillotine. It first led me to believe Fritz may have written that note, but it's impossible he could be alive after 1300 years. Oh well.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 19, 2008, 01:18:02 pm
*adds it*

Guess it just means he was due for execution and running from it.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 19, 2008, 01:43:12 pm
Well I'm not gonna list every change but just the stuff I think is pretty significant

- The head equipment "Beret" has once again been changed to "Porrean Beret", sold at the Market in Porre.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Ozzie on November 19, 2008, 02:29:01 pm
In the extras menu, I noticed a brand new song or two plays in the background (but they aren't selectable in the jukebox-type feature).

I REALLY like the beastiary that shows the enemies, it lists every enemy's attack and techs and puts names to them.

This version trumps the psx version so badly in every way...
The graphics are perfect, the sound is better in places than the original.... I could go on and on... I am floored by job they did on this game for us.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Darth Magus on November 19, 2008, 03:28:13 pm
For flashcart owners there are cheats, and patches to remove the anti-piracy measures.

Screw the patch, I'm using the cheat for my m3DS Real.  All I did was download the latest cheat database (updated today, Nov.19) and I got past the telepod with no hassle.  My only fear is that I may not be able to send my progress to my genuine US cart, due to arrive before Thanksgiving.  No matter, I'll figure something out. 

And now, PARTY!!!!!  CTDS IS OUT!!!!!!!!  W0000000000000000000000000TNESS!!!!!!!!!!

OK, breaks over, gotta get back to 2300AD.  (Speaking of which, shouldn't it be AG, for After founding of Guardia? Seems like this would have been the perfect time to fix that.)
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 19, 2008, 03:46:27 pm
Canon wise I think the human population was too busy clinging to their lives and couldn't be assed to change the time titles again
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Shinrin on November 19, 2008, 04:08:42 pm
In the extras menu, I noticed a brand new song or two plays in the background (but they aren't selectable in the jukebox-type feature).

I REALLY like the beastiary that shows the enemies, it lists every enemy's attack and techs and puts names to them.

This version trumps the psx version so badly in every way...
The graphics are perfect, the sound is better in places than the original.... I could go on and on... I am floored by job they did on this game for us.

These songs in the extra menu are form the PSX version, which you can unlock in the arena. ;)

Also, i'm working on a bestairy.

http://talesoffate.dyndns.org/documents/CTDSbestiary.txt
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: justin3009 on November 19, 2008, 07:21:22 pm
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2jc9351.png) - 1999 AD has a full mini map view.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Vehek on November 19, 2008, 07:35:15 pm
Wow!  :o
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 19, 2008, 07:45:01 pm
SWEET SWIRLING ONION RINGS!

This makes CT feel alive and new again... Gosh, I am so excited...
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 19, 2008, 07:48:07 pm
Yes I also noticed the 1999 A.D. map. Still, in the bad ending, you see the select screen map of 1000 AD instead of 1999 AD. I guess they couldn't be assed to remake it for 1999.

Anyway, due to the sheer size I don't think we can get much details out of it. The only interesting thing I could notice was the island with the Sun Stone.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Romana on November 19, 2008, 07:50:40 pm
Wow, awesome, I wonder if this means 1999 AD can be explored...? Unless it's just the 1000 AD map...

If it's alright with you Justin, can I upload that screenshot onto the CTDS page?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: justin3009 on November 19, 2008, 07:53:57 pm
Go ahead.  It does kind of look like 1000 AD's map, but you can definitely see the Domes on there, and the land shapes are a bit different as well.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 19, 2008, 07:59:41 pm
Yeah but I meant when Lavos kills you you see that ending with those three guys in the future watching how Lavos tears up the planet. Then the Select map comes in with all the red dots etc, but they didn't change that to a 1999 map. It's just the 1000 map, like in the original.

I wonder indeed if they bothered to complete the actual 1999 world map. I doubt it, but it could be. I guess we need some sort of a code for AR Max or whatever like the Snes had.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Ozzie on November 19, 2008, 08:17:46 pm
Or savestate/savegame hacking. Save the game in one time period on the world map, back up that save file, then save on another time era's map, and examine the differences in the save files, and edit those offsets, hoping one of them is the offset for current world map you are on.

Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Shinrin on November 19, 2008, 08:53:13 pm
No$GBA doesn't have save states for DS game yet, and also, it's almost impossible to hack a save for a DS game so far.

Some more information:

Unlike the PSX version, where you have to beat the game multiple times to get all the extras, are unlocked when you get the tech, monster, item, hear the music, see the movie. Some picture are unlocked, when you get the characters, or when you complete certain events.

I'm not sure what the other 2 options are yet, but one has to be for the treasure chest thing.

You can unlock the extra mode music, by going into the arena and starting a match.

Also, another good reason the japanese version only allows 5 letters is because of the japanese text, if you have over 6 letter names, it would break the text. ;)

The us verison should have English, French, Spanish on it, and maybe German, no word on if the Japanese text will be in it or not.

Also, the extra final boss has been leaked. ;) sorry no spoilers.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: FaustWolf on November 19, 2008, 09:18:58 pm
Heh. Frog said "sweet mercy."
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: mav on November 19, 2008, 09:21:20 pm
That screen shot had "that's what she said" written all over it. Anyhow, these updates sound pretty decent and look of the game is topnotch. Did they change any other enemy names--is Ozzie still Ozzie, or are we looking at something else?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: justin3009 on November 19, 2008, 09:24:35 pm
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2s0buow.jpg) - Shinrin just linked this to me.  This is the extra boss.  OH MY FUCKING JESUS LORD OF CHRIST GOD D:!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 19, 2008, 09:26:07 pm
HOLY SHIT.  HOLY SHIT.  HOLY SHIT.

This changed EVERYTHING.

or does it...?  what does this mean?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: justin3009 on November 19, 2008, 09:29:17 pm
I have no idea what this means at all.  I'm going to beat the game and get there and record a video.  If you kill it, does it kill Schala and throw Chrono Cross out the window?  Or do you save her and...get her?  Idk.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: KebreI on November 19, 2008, 09:30:49 pm
!?! :shock: !?!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Shinrin on November 19, 2008, 09:32:18 pm
There went Chrono Cross out the window.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 19, 2008, 09:33:33 pm
I'm searching the Internet now to see if anyone has already beat the game and posted the new ending (or what transpires there in it)... so far nothing.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Space Coyote on November 19, 2008, 09:39:10 pm
If they took the time to carefully detail 1999's minimap to an exactment (which they have), I fully believe they probably detailed the entire world.

Now the waiting game begins.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: KebreI on November 19, 2008, 09:40:02 pm
There went Chrono Cross out the window.
Not necessarily, this is a new game plus ending right?
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: justin3009 on November 19, 2008, 09:41:34 pm
Yes, but still.  That's a very intense ending for THIS to happen.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: KebreI on November 19, 2008, 09:43:47 pm
This thread needs a spoiler warning on it BAD!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: mav on November 19, 2008, 09:51:40 pm
I second the aforementioned suggestion. Sweet mother fuck...I don't even know what to say at this point. I mean, holy shit, it seems like the whole series is changing every couple minutes.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 19, 2008, 09:53:45 pm
Umm... First change since 1999, hahaha...  Since Final Fantasy Chronicles.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 19, 2008, 09:55:33 pm
No need to jump to unnecessary conclusions. I'm currently rushing through the game to pick up the changes. And yes, Ozzie is still Ozzie, Slash is still Slash, etc. None of the boss names have been changed, so far.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Space Coyote on November 19, 2008, 09:56:08 pm
It still blows my mind that the music is even RICHER than it was on the SNES version.

I expected equal or worse quality, not better. It was a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: justin3009 on November 19, 2008, 09:57:56 pm
Golem Twins = Golem Sisters
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: mav on November 19, 2008, 10:02:20 pm
Better music, eh? Good, good. I'll admit that I'm probably getting overly excited--and probably some others--but some of this news is big...huge, rather. Whatever though, once we hear some more the story behind what we're seeing, we'll have reason to be excited.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: FaustWolf on November 19, 2008, 10:20:37 pm
OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD

For this not to retcon Chrono Cross...does Magus go toe-to-toe with the Time Devourer and get...devoured?

On second thought, that thing isn't really even the Time Devourer. I mean, it's just Lavos with Schala attached. I mean, Jesus...

WAIT! What does the Japanese read for the boss name!? Oh, the humanity!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: mav on November 19, 2008, 10:22:55 pm
I hear ya man...the speculation and anticipation is destroying me--and it's only been like five minutes--someone needs to let us know just what's going on...

Why was this boss shown already? I thought you had to have fought the enemy to see it in the bestiary...
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 19, 2008, 10:26:14 pm
I hear ya man...the speculation and anticipation is destroying me--and it's only been like five minutes--someone needs to let us know just what's going on...

Why was this boss shown already? I thought you had to have fought the enemy to see it in the bestiary...

That's right. It's impossible to get the Bestiary data unless you've fought the enemy in question.

Btw they made Dalton more awesome.

Quote from: Dalton after grabbing Schala
Oh, let's not be hasty. It would please me to take the life of this little pearl. I do not fear the queen.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: FaustWolf on November 19, 2008, 10:30:28 pm
Oh man, I just preordered. I mean...self-combusted.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Shinrin on November 19, 2008, 10:50:19 pm
Someone on Gamefaq's said there is a new Anime movie in CTDS after you beat the new final boss, no official word if this is true or not.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 19, 2008, 11:14:23 pm
Magus' attempt to finish off Lavos in Ocean Palace has slightly increased in coolness. Now it's not "What?!! It doesn't work!", but "What? No effect at all?". And it actually looks like he's attacking, instead of hitting him with a stick.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread
Post by: nightmare975 on November 20, 2008, 02:10:56 am
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: dankun on November 20, 2008, 03:16:10 am
No need to jump to unnecessary conclusions. I'm currently rushing through the game to pick up the changes. And yes, Ozzie is still Ozzie, Slash is still Slash, etc. None of the boss names have been changed, so far.

uhhh... what about Flea? Why would you intentionally skip mentioning him?
My one fear with this release was that they would somehow end up completely messing up his true nature because of a poor translation, and what do I discover....
They actually included the FUCKING Time Devourer into the game!!

I sure hope to god this does not means what I think it means....
GOD!!

Why hasn't anyone found out more info on that pic yet!!??
Is it a matter of anyone not wanting further spoiling....?

Who is this 'mysterious' person who upped the pic, in the first place...?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread
Post by: RyougaSaotome on November 20, 2008, 03:42:29 am
<Brain explodes.>

<Reforms.>

What the FIZZLE?!

<Brain explodes once more.>

SPOILER TAG THIS THING! I had no idea I was gonna run into that. @_@


And also, the first part of the name is the kanji character for dream. I can't make out what the second one is though.

Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 07:20:02 am
No need to jump to unnecessary conclusions. I'm currently rushing through the game to pick up the changes. And yes, Ozzie is still Ozzie, Slash is still Slash, etc. None of the boss names have been changed, so far.

uhhh... what about Flea? Why would you intentionally skip mentioning him?
My one fear with this release was that they would somehow end up completely messing up his true nature because of a poor translation, and what do I discover....
They actually included the FUCKING Time Devourer into the game!!

I sure hope to god this does not means what I think it means....
GOD!!

Why hasn't anyone found out more info on that pic yet!!??
Is it a matter of anyone not wanting further spoiling....?

Who is this 'mysterious' person who upped the pic, in the first place...?


Don't worry Flea is still the same as well. Still his annoying old self.

I'll tell you who that "new" Lavos is after I finish the game (though it could be a NewGame+ thing, and in that case it's gonna take longer still.)
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: placidchap on November 20, 2008, 08:23:40 am
i predict that schala merged with lavos..to become the dream weaver..to rise the kingdom of Zeal from the depths of the ocean...only to be overcome by lavos resulting in the TD. muahaha

Play faster Dark Serge, the suspense is killing me.
Title: Re: Chrono Trigger DS Released in Hong Kong
Post by: Rio Rock on November 20, 2008, 08:51:50 am
The us verison should have English, French, Spanish on it, and maybe German, no word on if the Japanese text will be in it or not.

I don't think so. Unfortunately the European version will just have English and French text. D:
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Eternal Myst on November 20, 2008, 09:06:26 am
We need spoiler tags bad.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 09:19:23 am
Update: When the Black Omen rises, two green gates appear. One on the 65,000,000 BC world map and one on the 600 AD world map. I checked the 65,000,000 one out, it's a Reptite cave, with a pseudo Guardia forest and a marsh. When you defeat all the monsters in the forest the Reptites in the cave part come out of hiding and will keep asking you favors. The second one was to retrieve a golden hammer or whatever. I also briefly checked the 600 AD one, but it seems to be the same concept as the 65,000,000 one. It's not the same place, but it looks identical and has the same concept. Anyway, I found this part too boring to check it out further. I don't think it has anything to do whatsoever with canon. Just a little extra to gain experience, items, and money. I found only one thing intriguing: There's also a mountain part, but at the very beginning a dark colored Nu is blocking it, so it's impossible to say what's there for now.

I'll probably complete the game in a couple of hours.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 20, 2008, 09:21:19 am
AHHHHH!

By the time I get off work and can check the Compendium, we might know.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 09:39:50 am
Just a side note, I'm not doing the side quests (except getting back Chrono) because I don't think it contains anything new except for translation. I'm eager to see them, but right now I'm more eager to see really new content. Gonna do Black Omen in 1000 AD and see if I can defeat Lavos like this. It shouldn't be too hard.

I'll keep you updated
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 20, 2008, 09:52:44 am
Don't rush yourself to the extent you kill your enjoyment, Dark Serge. Thanks for the info. :wink:
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 20, 2008, 09:54:45 am
Don't listen to Pyt Fumv, DO rush yourself and ruin everything you ever wanted.  Take one for the team.  You make a sacrifice for the greater good.

Just kidding.  I agree with Pyt Fumv.  Don't let us rush you.  Enjoy it at your own pace.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 09:58:29 am
Meh I'm rushing to see what's new first and then I'll play it slowly and enjoying it really. This is CT after all, playing it three times in a row still doesn't get boring. Anyway, I'm doing some of the sidequests, cause it turned out I was a bit underpowered from rushing through everything.

The first boss in Black Omen owned me :(

Oh well more stuff soon

Oh CRAP I forgot to tell you this btw

There's an accessory called Dragon's Tear in the game. It boosts critical hit rate when equipped. I don't remember exactly where I got it though... I think it was before you come to Zeal the first time somewhere. Oh well, I'll say it when I remember it again.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 20, 2008, 10:12:30 am
I've only just beaten Guardian in 2300 AD. Fuck waiting in the cold for a taxi this morning. And timezones. Fuck timezones.

Dragon's Tear, eh...? Neat little shout out/cameo...

Anyone else trying to rush the game, y'might wanna make use of the Berserker Ring.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on November 20, 2008, 10:55:39 am
I'm doing some of the sidequests, cause it turned out I was a bit underpowered from rushing through everything.

n00b! :lol:

I say spam the Nu in the Hunting Ground for Tech Points (& exp? I forget...)...depends on when you are though, I guess...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: tushantin on November 20, 2008, 11:39:03 am
Holy cow! (Forgive me, I'm too slow for following this thread, or this thread's like a gattling gun, but) Is it just me or did Justin's pic show the final boss as... The Time Devourer? o__O x_x
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 11:43:55 am
Holy cow! (Forgive me, I'm too slow for following this thread, or this thread's like a gattling gun, but) Is it just me or did Justin's pic show the final boss as... The Time Devourer? o__O x_x

Hopefully we'll know in a few hours
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 20, 2008, 11:48:35 am
My guess it's a proto-Time Devourer... before it evolved into the form we see in Cross. I'm not reading the GameFAQs threads on this since I want to enjoy the Vortex for myself.

"My name's Spekkio, I'm a Master of War! I watch all kinds of battles from up here!"
That's pretty different from what was implied in the original, right?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: FaustWolf on November 20, 2008, 01:24:37 pm
Spekkio is no longer a god?

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, nom nom nom nom...IT'S CANON!
You see, that Bacon Strips commercial is the only place I've ever heard the words "nom nom nom" uttered in the English language.

I'm doing a precarious low-level run through so I can get to the Time Devourer ASAP. Then I'll up a Youtube vid of my party getting Pwned by Schala.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 02:44:49 pm
Quote from: Lucca after 2nd Lavos form
Now I understand. It lives on a planet for as long as possible, selecting the most desirable life forms, allowing them to advance and then harvesting their DNA. The young it gave birth to on Death Peak must have all of that DNA. Eventually they'll migrate to other planets, and repeat the cycle. It's a parasite! Sleeping within the Earth all this time, stealing all our progress! Impossible... You can't toy with an entire world and think I'll let you get away with it!

Went through the Omen at 1000 AD, defeated Zeal as normal as well as Lavos form 1 and 2. Fighting the final Lavos Core now. I think the Vortex or whatever with that evolved TD Lavos really is New Game+, or it's coming after this. Anyway, I'll let you know what happens.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: LegacyCrono on November 20, 2008, 02:47:33 pm
W0000T!!! OMFG OMFG OMFG!!!!
It's "Dream Devourer" if my japanese isn't that bad... :O

HOW this happened? It's possible? O_o

It's better than what I was expecting!! :D
SEE YA!!!!!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 03:18:46 pm
So I owned Lavos

Then the ending came in. Moonfair Parade, everyone goes home, Mom disappears, they take off in the Epoch and you see the awesome Mode7 movie while the credits roll. Then the image of the Earth comes in with even more credits, then the wedding FMV plays. After that, yet more credits while in the top screen various CT artworks are displayed.

After that... A purple gate opens in 1000 A.D., 2300 A.D., and 12,000 B.C.

Then the message:
You can now access the Dimensional Vortex.

 You've completed the game!
Clear count: 01

Ending No. 01

Beyond Time

New option added to Extras menu: Ending Log

Then you get to save the game and return to the title screen.

The "Ending Log" apparently displays all Endings, how you get them, and what's in them. You only see 1 image though, you can't watch the ending all over again or something like that.

Also the NewGame+ option is now available.

-----------------

I'm gonna check out this Vortex now, I suspect the Lavos-TD boss thing is there. More updates soon.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Eket on November 20, 2008, 03:21:15 pm
Just wanted to say thanks for doing this Dark Serge.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 20, 2008, 03:25:04 pm
Whoa, awesome, this is something. Thanks for all the updates.

Sounds fairly... confusing too...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 03:29:47 pm
Yeah it's really not that confusing, basically you get the endings in the same fashion as in the original, but now there's a small part added after that with the CT DS credits and a short message saying the ending you got is added to the Ending Log.

The weird thing is, the Vortex is available in my old save now, in Lavos' inside cave, just before the final fight I mean. So I can access it without defeating Lavos. I really wonder what's there now.

Simply put, you can acces the Vortex in your old save, you don't have to start a New Game+.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Prince Janus on November 20, 2008, 03:55:01 pm
 A VERY important question regarding controls:


 
 CT on SNES and PSX had control configuration options. Can the shoulder button commands be reconfigured to other buttons? My shoulder buttons suck balls big time, and will most assuredly not get me past Arris Dome's first control room, nor will they help me save Lara.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: FaustWolf on November 20, 2008, 04:11:41 pm
I think you can only remap the X, A, B, and Y buttons. As far as I can see, anyway. Any way to transfer save files from your DS to your computer? We could upload save files after the sticking points.

Dark Serge, quick question -- did you do all the side quests before defeating Lavos, and in your opinion do you need to enter the Lost Sanctum at all for the Temporal Vortex to appear?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 04:17:10 pm
No, the Lost Sanctum seems completely optional to me. And I only did the side quests Rainbow Shell, Sunstone, Cyrus Ghost, and Guardia trial.

The Vortex contains major plot twists, that's why I'm sure you get it no matter what. I'm serious, canon is completely changed. I'm making a huge post on everything in there, and I will also transfer my save to my PC and make a video with a emulator, otherwise it's going to be too confusing.

Seriously, it's major. Keep checking, I'll reveal it soon.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 04:42:18 pm
No, the Lost Sanctum seems completely optional to me. And I only did the side quests Rainbow Shell, Sunstone, Cyrus Ghost, and Guardia trial.

The Vortex contains major plot twists, that's why I'm sure you get it no matter what. I'm serious, canon is completely changed. I'm making a huge post on everything in there, and I will also transfer my save to my PC and make a video with a emulator, otherwise it's going to be too confusing.

Seriously, it's major. Keep checking, I'll reveal it soon.

holy cow.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 04:43:23 pm
Well the emulator thing didn't go so well. I can't make a video right now.

I will now record everything I've seen in the Temporal Vortex.

First off, it appears after you defeat the game, in 12,000 BC, 1000 AD, and 2300 AD. After that, no matter what savegame you load up, New Game+ or not, it will always be there.

When you enter, you will first proceed through a hall way. It contains a whirlwind sort of thing that takes you back to the era in which you entered, if you want. Then there's an exit to the next room.

Now you will proceed through a number of levels from the game itself, mixed together. A few I can note are: The Guardia prison, the part where Fritz was. You can't enter the cell in which he was, though.

Another one is the Black Omen, I don't exactly how I should call it but it's that level that looks like the Ocean Palace a bit.

Then there's the Ocean Palace itself, the part with the stairs.

Then you come across new maps. First a mountain type area, with a long bridge. Before long you'll be in a lava cave thing. You basically walk around here climbing ladders and fighting whole new monsters, after pressing two switches you will progress to a map that looks exactly like "inside Lavos". Well, the layout is different, but it's the same style of cave. There's a save point here and a "whirlwind" which will once again warp you to the era you came from if you want to.

Past that is.... None other then Dalton. Yes, it's him. He's kinda angry for all the crap you pulled on him. Then you'll fight him again, his monster name is "Once-King Dalton". He has some new attacks but he's still kind of weak. He packs a punch and has a lot of HP. After a while he uses something called Second Wind, and after that no magic attacks can hurt him, only physical. However, every time you attack him physically he counters with an MP drain that drains all the MP of one character. He knows lightning and shadow attacks and maybe more.

After I defeated him, OH MY FUCKING GOD... Major spoiler and canon change here!!! I'll quote it cause I can't explain it in human words.

Quote from: Dalton scene
Dalton: That's enough for today... But just you wait, Crono! This isn't over yet! I'll raise the greatest army the world has ever seen in Porre, and use it to wipe your pitiful little kingdom off the map. Heh heh heh... Ah hah hah hah hah!

Marle: You won't touch Guardia. Not if I have anything to say about it!

Dalton: Farewell!

Yes, my friends! I was RIGHT!!!! The guy in the Fall of Guardia FMV is DALTON!!! AND DALTON IS BEHIND THE FALL OF GUARDIA!

I was so fucking shocked when I saw this scene. Dalton caused the Fall of Guardia and stole the Masamune. Holy fucking crap. I knew it! He was just to awesome to disappear like that!

After that scene, you progress through the map and Chrono will hear someone calling him. You're now teleported to a pseudo version of Leene Square where you will fight a Chrono clone called Steel Shade.

He used the Rainbow sword against me, but that may be because my Chrono had it equipped. Perhaps he just uses the weapon your Chrono has equipped at that point. Also, he cannot be hurt by Light magic, and he uses Light magic himself. He has a lot of HP but isn't too hard. After the battle the Clone will "fuse" with the real Chrono, and Chrono's speed, strength, and accuracy will improve. After that, it's the end of the Vortex. Yep.

I tried entering immediately again, and this time different maps were used. Apparently it takes random maps from the game and after that the new maps come.

I uploaded my savefile for anyone with a flashcard that wants to go take  a look, and if you can, make a video or something.

On a side note, I haven't seen the TD-Lavos. I wonder where he could be now. But the Vortex asks for more investigating. I'm going to enter it from 2300 AD now.



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Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: mav on November 20, 2008, 04:46:21 pm
Sweet mother...this is great.

Many thanks Dark Serge...you've definitely done a great service to us all.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: FaustWolf on November 20, 2008, 04:47:08 pm
Way to go Dark Serge! You are an intrepid explorer of the Chronoverse!

OH MY GOD, DALTON CAUSES THE FALL OF GUARDIA.

OMHGASLKJSDLKJETOUAOSJF:LDKJUF LJFdj

WTF!

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, nom nom nom nom nom...IT'S CANON!!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: KebreI on November 20, 2008, 04:47:23 pm
...Dalton :?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: mav on November 20, 2008, 04:53:45 pm
Part of me thinks the fellas at Square read some of the theories here. :P
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 20, 2008, 04:56:16 pm
This has gotten to the point where I really wanna avoid adding stuff to the page. I'll skirt around the spoilers and add those later.

Dark Serge, seriously, you're fucking awesome. How the hell long have you been awake...?
And if I can ask, what levels were your characters when you finished off Lavos Core?

Part of me thinks the fellas at Square read some of the theories here. :P

I remember seriously thinking this yesterday when I came across some of the changes. I forget which ones specifically. But the Arena of the Ages is somewhat reminiscent of Chrono Coliseum...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 04:56:31 pm
I got the save to work in no$GBA 2.6a
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 05:00:58 pm
Alright here's a post with the new dungeons in CT DS in a more user friendly way

New dungeons

- Arena of the Ages
Something like Pokémon, you choose an element monster, Fire, Light, Shadow, or Water, and you can train it and fight other monsters with it. Accessible from the End of Time and Title Screen, from the first time you save your game.

- Lost Sanctum
Appears when the Black Omen rises in 65,000,000 BC and 600 AD. It involves helping Reptites with several errands. I haven't explored it fully yet so there may be special stuff left there.

- Temporal Vortex
It appears in 12,000 BC, 1000 AD, and 2300 AD after you beat the game once. From then on it's accessible on all of your savegames. You will make your way through several old and new maps and meet old and new enemies, most notably of which is Dalton. He will reveal his scheme of how he desires to raise an Porrean army to overthrow Guardia. After that you will fight a clone and one of your character's stats will be upgraded. I don't know alot about this dungeon yet but in the next days I'm gonna search through every single little tidbit of it in case there are more plot twists.

@ Pyt: lvl 99
@ Shin: Please, if you can, try to make a video. I know the dungeon is confusing but if you have time, explore it with me.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 05:02:08 pm
I can make a save then send it to you so you can use it in no$GBA, as i don't have a video capturing thing on my computer right now.

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Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 05:05:22 pm
Alright, thanks. I'll get to it now.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Prince Janus on November 20, 2008, 05:11:16 pm
  So, we know that Chrono Cross still happens, at least in part. Likely, this is just representing a branch of possibility. The game has so many endings anyways and ways things can happen, Cross only assumes a handful of events occurred last time. This ending in CT DS assumes a different handful (but Guardia still gets asploded.)   So how do you think the castle gets torn apart? keep casting Iron Ball until it demolishes?  And how does Dalton finally die? Or does he slip away into yet another vortex?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Ris on November 20, 2008, 05:13:22 pm
Yes, my friends! I was RIGHT!!!! The guy in the Fall of Guardia FMV is DALTON!!! AND DALTON IS BEHIND THE FALL OF GUARDIA!

I was so fucking shocked when I saw this scene. Dalton caused the Fall of Guardia and stole the Masamune. Holy fucking crap. I knew it! He was just to awesome to disappear like that!

Makes me wonder (even more) how the Masamune ended up in El Nido.  Did Dalton engineer its placement there in order to weaken the Dragoons?  (It did result in the loss of either two or three Devas, depending on if you count Radius.)

Also, it's a bit like Dalton is being set up to be a major (final?) boss in a potential future Chrono game.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 05:13:42 pm
I don't really know at this point, after you defeat him in the Vortex he just disappears. But he must be behind it now, there's no doubt.

Anyway Shin, how do I load the save in no$gba? And what savetype should the emulator be in?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 05:20:04 pm
Fram 32kb should work
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Eket on November 20, 2008, 05:22:30 pm
Starting to think that the new ending might reveal what happened to Crono, and Marle during the fall of guardia.

Temporal Vortex seems to be setting things up as a prelude to the actual fall. And then this TimeDevourer/SchalaLavos thing shows up to keep Crono and Co busy. When they finally return to their own time, the fall of guardia has happened already.

Of course that could just be wishfull thinking on my part, to have the original cast survive the ordeal...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: FaustWolf on November 20, 2008, 05:24:43 pm
UBER thanks for the gamesave guys! My level 99 Crono seems to have only 135 HP though, so beware -- the process of replacing the game save file may cause some slight corruption or something. I think that's the HP number I had Crono at on the fresh playthrough I was doing until the gamesave became available. Weird.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 05:27:01 pm
This topic just popped up on Gamefaqs.
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Post by: Ris on November 20, 2008, 05:28:04 pm
Just thought of this - does the fact that Schala created Kidd while she had blue hair mean that we can consider it settled once and for all that Schala is a natural blond?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 05:34:33 pm
UBER thanks for the gamesave guys! My level 99 Crono seems to have only 135 HP though, so beware -- the process of replacing the game save file may cause some slight corruption or something. I think that's the HP number I had Crono at on the fresh playthrough I was doing until the gamesave became available. Weird.

Uhh yeah that might be because I used AR Max codes to forcibly put their HP's at 999. But it could be something else.
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Post by: Romana on November 20, 2008, 05:39:39 pm
Sorry to break in with unexciting news: Lucca has a new sprite that I just noticed. At least I THINK it's new. When you jump down the waterfall on Denadoro Mountain, look at Lucca. I've never seen that before. Looks rather... odd.
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Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 05:49:17 pm
Hmm will check it out later

Shin, could you tell me how to load the save? I put it in the same folder as the rom with the same name, but when I run the game I only get the "New Game" option

I wonder how to get the new ending btw. Was it confirmed there was a new ending?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 05:52:28 pm
The heart sound effect from CT SNES sound like a real heart beat in CTDS. when you choose not to fight lavos in 1999 A.D.

also, you put the save in the battery folder. ;)
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Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 05:54:05 pm
Perhaps the new ending can be accessed by killing Lavos in the Ocean Palace incident...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Eket on November 20, 2008, 05:55:02 pm
From the wiki: (not 100% reliable of course)
Upon completion of the game, a new ending referred to as the 'Dimensional Distortion' is unlocked. This is supposedly an entirely new dungeon that contains a new final boss.

It fits though. You basically got 3 new dungeons that are unlocked. 1 of them showed you stuff from Dalton, perhaps the new boss is unlocked after you beat the other dungeons. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens when you've finished the other 2...
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Post by: FaustWolf on November 20, 2008, 05:57:22 pm
As far as the new end boss and ending are concerned, I believe I saw a screen somewhere in which Gaspar explains the TD's nature -- a presence like, and yet unlike, Lavos. Dark Serge or shinrin, have either of you seen any such scene?
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Post by: Romana on November 20, 2008, 05:58:41 pm
From the wiki: (not 100% reliable of course)
Upon completion of the game, a new ending referred to as the 'Dimensional Distortion' is unlocked. This is supposedly an entirely new dungeon that contains a new final boss.

Yeah, I wrote that going by the info we had a few days back, so it's nothing to go by now.
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Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 05:59:51 pm
As far as the new end boss and ending are concerned, I believe I saw a screen somewhere in which Gaspar explains the TD's nature -- a presence like, and yet unlike, Lavos. Dark Serge or shinrin, have either of you seen any such scene?

Not yet. I got the savefile working so I'm gonna make some videos of stuff so you guys and others can understand it better. Update soon
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Post by: Toan on November 20, 2008, 06:07:30 pm
Dark Serge, is the FMV with Crono and Marle's marriage the same as in the PSX version?
Does it still show Lucca finding Kid as a baby?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 06:26:32 pm
Yes, that part is definitely still in it. The whole FMV has remained the same.

The first video is done, it shows the Dalton encounter. The next video will be the entire Temporal Vortex.

The quality is a little bad, but please bear with me. I'll try to improve it as I go. It's uploading now, gonna take a small while.
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Post by: mav on November 20, 2008, 06:34:47 pm
Don't fret man; you're being so damn helpful with all this, no one here has the right to criticize anything you volunteer to us...
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 06:41:52 pm
i noticed something, lucca's hp went back to her starting hp... after powering her up.
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Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 06:55:19 pm
Yeah if you change their equipment the code's effect wears off.
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 07:04:00 pm
ShadowPlumb Robe - Magus only equip.

90 Defense
+ 20 Magic Defense
Auto-barrier
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Eket on November 20, 2008, 07:05:16 pm
ShadowPlumb Robe?
Fiendlord?

Dear god... what have they done to magus o.o;
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 07:11:05 pm
While i not have fight the new final boss, the name is Dream Devourer. I went to the site dark serge went to, and open up a .db file and search for chrono trigger, and all the codes are there. ;D
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Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 07:14:34 pm
Cool, but where did you see the name? I didn't notice it
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 07:27:36 pm
In the bestiary.
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 07:59:02 pm
Spellsinger - A weapon for lucca, Damage based on the last digit of her mp.
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Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 08:01:30 pm
In the bestiary.

How do you make it appear without actually fighting him?

I've been through the Temporal Vortex in 12,000 but nothing really special. At the very end I had a battle with a Clone Marle in Leene's room in Guardia Castle. I guess at the end of every Vortex you fight a character that's currently in your party.

Gonna check out the Vortex in 2300 now......
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 08:20:07 pm
The damn emu crashed on me... I don't really feel like doing it again right now, so tomorrow I guess

I'm kinda annoyed though, I wanna know more about that damn new Lavos :(
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: FaustWolf on November 20, 2008, 08:26:27 pm
Heeeeere's Dalton! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72SQr2jGloA) But the quality is utter crap, and I have no quick fix for that. Do you have an alternate Dark Serge, or shall we just go with this?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 08:30:47 pm
Actually that quality is better then what I squashed together. Did you record it? If so, please make more videos of any interesting events.

I'll keep exploring around after I get some rest, and post here if I find anything.
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 08:37:45 pm
I just beat the new end boss.

But the ending.... you gotta see it for yourselves..

Save coming soon..
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Post by: mav on November 20, 2008, 08:41:12 pm
...so how was it, Shinrin? And thanks for the vid, Faust, it was great to see that.
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 08:43:22 pm
it was interesting.. also.. i don't wanna spoil it.

Here's the save, put it battery, and go to the thing that takes you to lavos in the end of time. ;)

this has 99 of all healing items.

Also to note: the 2 endings that was posted on gamefaqs are not true.

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Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 20, 2008, 08:48:49 pm
NO!!! SPOIL IT!!!
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Post by: nightmare975 on November 20, 2008, 09:00:26 pm
Okay, you were right Shinrin

NOW FUCKING SPOIL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 20, 2008, 09:02:08 pm
Yeah, there are plenty of warnings up in this thread.  Only those who want to see it will.  I don't mind being spoiled.  In fact, in this case, I prefer it.
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Post by: nightmare975 on November 20, 2008, 09:03:34 pm
Now I'm starting to get second thoughts...
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Post by: KebreI on November 20, 2008, 09:03:53 pm
NO!!! SPOIL IT!!!
NO don't!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 20, 2008, 09:06:08 pm
If you don't want the spoilers, don't look in this thread!  After all, the title of the thread says it all:

IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 09:08:15 pm
So, when you go to the new boss, the profit is there, and he was talk about how they beat lavos and something powerful is up ahead, so he goes into the portal, so you go into the portal, and it shows Magus fighting it. Keep in mind, you can have Magus in the party as well. (i haven't check to see if magus says to this other magus.) So after Magus looses, the party fights the new final boss, even though you "win" the battle, the monster isn't dead and the party gets knocked out, then the other magus comes back, and talks to Schala, she sends the party back to there time, and then magus and schala talk, then he leaves.. then another scene with magus talking about his effort in searching for her, after that's over, a forest scene appears, and magus walks out from some trees, only to have lost his memory...

and that's it.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 20, 2008, 09:09:46 pm
So Magus loses his memory?

Oh snap.  That may cause some problems.

And is the other Magus a version of Magus from the future?  As in post-Chrono Trigger?
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Post by: Vehek on November 20, 2008, 09:10:19 pm
Magus loses his memories?
Hmmm...
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 09:15:26 pm
So Magus loses his memory?

Oh snap.  That may cause some problems.

And is the other Magus a version of Magus from the future?  As in post-Chrono Trigger?

Must be post-Chrono Trigger Magus.
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Post by: FaustWolf on November 20, 2008, 09:15:45 pm
YEAH BABY, CC:DBT was right on the money!

...oh, wait, that just makes him Guile, eh? *frowns*

I'm getting a vid of every boss in the Dimensional Vortex, as long as you folks don't mind the quality and unsynced sound. Evil Crono is coming up next. I'm avoiding spoilers regarding the End Boss because I want to live it the first time freshly. I'll check if Shinrin posted a save though.

Anyone know where Dark Serge got his codes from? I'm using extremely creative methods to defeat these suckers (the characters are stuck at level 99 but have very low HP except Magus), and I fear they won't be good enough to defeat Uber Goddess Schala.
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Post by: nightmare975 on November 20, 2008, 09:15:57 pm
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

the ending sucked

sounded just like the GameFAQs descriptions, just more to the ending.
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 09:17:27 pm
YEAH BABY, CC:DBT was right on the money!

...oh, wait, that just makes him Guile, eh? *frowns*

I'm getting a vid of every boss in the Dimensional Vortex, as long as you folks don't mind the quality and unsynced sound. Evil Crono is coming up next. I'm avoiding spoilers regarding the End Boss because I want to live it the first time freshly. I'll check if Shinrin posted a save though.

Anyone know where Dark Serge got his codes from? I'm using extremely creative methods to defeat these suckers (the characters are stuck at level 99 but have very low HP except Magus), and I fear they won't be good enough to defeat Uber Goddess Schala.

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=6254.msg117892#msg117892 check this post, and i'll have patch codes up soon. :P

Here's the cheats, you need to enable them so they will work, this encludes the cheats to pass the protection.

just past it in the main folder with the no$GBA.exe file, and don't rename the cht file.

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Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 09:21:39 pm
Ok this ending was kinda weird. So we fight the Dream Devourer, and then Magus becomes Guile... Then Fall of Guardia FMV plays...

Sorry I'm a bit disappointed.

Also Shinrin, HOW did you get access to this boss? For the sake of logic, I have to know :(
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 09:23:42 pm
I just finished all 3 vortexes.
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Post by: Prince Janus on November 20, 2008, 09:25:38 pm




"...but the woeful tale of Magus and Schala would continue..."


 how unfortunate.
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 09:27:15 pm
Magus seems surprised to see him self.
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Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 09:27:32 pm
I see, so the key was in the Vortexes after all. Well, makes sense I guess.

Too bad there was no Singing Mountain, right?

Anyway, this game is a blast... They took a brilliant game and made it even greater... I'm going to replay it once again, but this time, I'll do it with full enjoyment.
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Post by: FaustWolf on November 20, 2008, 09:28:42 pm
Thanks for everything shinrin, I'm going heavy on the green tea tonight (because I abhor coffee) to get these vids up on Youtube. I'll probably remaster the videos this weekend (to sync up the sound and add cool music or something) and re-up.
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Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 20, 2008, 09:31:17 pm
You know, I'm still not sold on Magus being Guile.  Just going to be honest.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Toan on November 20, 2008, 09:32:06 pm
I am pretty happy that Chrono Cross wasn't thrust out of the window, this further evidences that a Cross port/remake is on its way.
I am very happy about this. :)
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 09:35:49 pm
If you die, you get the bad ending as you do if you normally get when you die to lavos.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 20, 2008, 09:41:47 pm
So what the hell happened to Chrono and pals after the Dream Devourer incident anyway? Did they die in the Fall of Guardia or not?

We still don't freakin' know...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 20, 2008, 09:43:24 pm
I was just thinking.  Clearly some members of the Dream Team had to reunite for the new content to CTDS.  That means there's hope for them reuniting for another game!  WOOT!
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Post by: Prince Janus on November 20, 2008, 09:50:01 pm
 In the past, several members expressed excitement over the idea of getting back together, so it wouldn't surprise me. And as sad as this new ending is, it may just mean "ME JANUS YOU SCHALA" will be postponed until another game. Memory shmemory.
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Post by: Lucerne on November 20, 2008, 09:53:25 pm
Could someone post the new game + save so we can go to the bonus dungeons?  Thx
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Post by: Romana on November 20, 2008, 10:22:04 pm
Wow, that's quite something. The ending sounds a little... I dunno. I'll see it for myself when I get there.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Ris on November 20, 2008, 10:28:25 pm
Is there anything anybody says that would explain why the TD is called Dream Devourer in Trigger but Time Devourer in Cross?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 20, 2008, 10:33:39 pm
Perhaps it's different forms of it's evolutionary path.  After all, Schala goes through a change, as does the creature.  The Dream Devourer may be it's infancy, while the Time Devourer may be some later form.
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 10:35:06 pm
Crono's new ultimate weapon: Dreamseeker +20 more attack than rainbow and a 90% chance of critical hits.

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Post by: Space Coyote on November 20, 2008, 10:58:15 pm
So is DD canon or fanservice?
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Post by: Abel on November 20, 2008, 11:03:37 pm
Quote
Is there anything anybody says that would explain why the TD is called Dream Devourer in Trigger but Time Devourer in Cross?

According to Lucca from Chrono Cross:

Lucca: And yet, at the same time,
so far from the right answer!
The true beginning was during
the destruction of the ancient
Kingdom of Zeal!

As the palace collapsed around
her, Princess Schala was sucked
into a dimensional vortex along
with the Lavos Mammon Machine.
Schala and Lavos became unified
into one even more powerful
entity that would evolve into
the Devourer of Time.


Filled with the hatred and
sadness of Lavos, half of
Schala's mind became set on
destroying all of existence.
Yet at the same time, the
other half of her mind
desired to save the universe
and to be rescued herself.

As Schala fell through the
time gate in this condition,
she heard your crying
echoing through time...

That is when her story and
yours began to intertwine...
It is also when the past and
the future began to intersect,
and when the world became
divided into two...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 20, 2008, 11:05:24 pm
I've been watching the forum and watching for new people, and we have gotten a lot of new registered members the past two days or so.  All due to all the buzz with CTDS, obviously.  Welcome one, welcome all!
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Post by: Shinrin on November 20, 2008, 11:55:45 pm
The last boss battle and ending video coming soon thanks to Justin, provided by a save i had, that Dark Serge gave us.
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Post by: MagilsugaM on November 21, 2008, 12:00:38 am
This is impossible. So Guile is reall Magus. Like I always though. But There are two Magus's. One is Guile and the other one if it's not dead should be Magil. Right?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on November 21, 2008, 12:08:35 am
This is impossible. So Guile is reall Magus. Like I always though. But There are two Magus's. One is Guile and the other one if it's not dead should be Magil. Right?

you forget, CC and RD take place in different dimensions.
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Post by: MagilsugaM on November 21, 2008, 12:16:57 am
This is impossible. So Guile is reall Magus. Like I always though. But There are two Magus's. One is Guile and the other one if it's not dead should be Magil. Right?

you forget, CC and RD take place in different dimensions.

Yeah I know that but I am saying that still there are 2 Magus's so were is the other one in CC.
One losses his memories could be Guile in CC.
And the other one doesn't which is Magil in RD.
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Post by: Shinrin on November 21, 2008, 12:24:34 am
It seems the magus that looses his memory is the same one as the magus in your party, but from the future.
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Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 21, 2008, 12:31:56 am
Wait, if he is from the future, why would he appear in his prophet disguise when you first see him?
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Post by: Vehek on November 21, 2008, 12:41:46 am
Don't know if this is true or not, but someone on GameFAQs said it was Magus from another dimension.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=950181&topic=46689492
Quote
Apparently this Magus is different than the one in your party, since this is one from a dimension where Crono and Co never returned after the Prophet had Schala block the gate for them. (I didn't have Magus in my party so idk what happens when those 2 meet).

Edit 2- This was apparently copied from 4chan.
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Post by: Shinrin on November 21, 2008, 12:53:16 am
Justin told me the video is processing now.
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Post by: Shinrin on November 21, 2008, 12:54:37 am
Don't know if this is true or not, but someone on GameFAQs said it was Magus from another dimension.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=950181&topic=46689492
Quote
Apparently this Magus is different than the one in your party, since this is one from a dimension where Crono and Co never returned after the Prophet had Schala block the gate for them. (I didn't have Magus in my party so idk what happens when those 2 meet).

Edit 2- This was apparently copied from 4chan.

They got that part from the video, and the rest of it, isn't true.
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Post by: Vehek on November 21, 2008, 01:07:41 am
Should have paid attention to your earlier post.


Justin's video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWc3UymosAM
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Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 21, 2008, 01:16:53 am
Wow, nice video. But I don't get it. Does he gaves up and forgets as a way to escape the harsh truth or what?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Prince Janus on November 21, 2008, 01:50:18 am
 It looks like amnesiac Magus is gonna quest to restore his memory.. and he still knows he's looking for...     something.  So don't give up hope yet! He isn't.


 Also, she calls him Janus.   -^-^-
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Post by: Eket on November 21, 2008, 03:24:49 am
That's it? Memory Loss... oh fuck you kato. We still don't know shit about Crono, Marle and Lucca. And now i suppose we are going to get chrono trigger 2? That will just be another empty promise. Bastards

Where the hell is a somewhat happy ending in all this? This is just some lousy attempt at making guile = magus. I want to fracking know what happens to Crono and Marle after the fall. They deserve a happy life for all the shit they dealt with. Another 20 years of waiting before we may see something remotely resembling a new crono game, and i'll tell you right now. We still won't have an answer to that question.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 21, 2008, 03:44:14 am
Well it was only supposed to be a CT port to begin with. Imo we should be glad that they at least added some new content instead of just porting it over. They could have done better, but I'm happy with this too.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Eket on November 21, 2008, 03:50:15 am
Well it was only supposed to be a CT port to begin with. Imo we should be glad that they at least added some new content instead of just porting it over. They could have done better, but I'm happy with this too.

I'm far from it, not even going to buy it anymore. The only explanation i can deal with now is that everyone is send back to their own time, but Crono, Marle and Lucca are sent after the fall has taken place. And i'm sure most of you will have countless theories to counter that, but just bah.

I just knew i was gonna be dissapoined by this new "material" just as much as i was with the fall of guardia ending. Can't believe that for a moment i thought different.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on November 21, 2008, 06:18:08 am
(http://www.duose.com/p/2008/1121/62433_8945.png)
I wonder whether this is the same Dragon's Tear in CC?
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Probably not, since it is an accessory...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 21, 2008, 06:43:37 am
Yeah, it seems like a simple reference to me. Although, in CC the Dragon Tear is supposed to be a Dragonian artifact, so it would make sense for Reptites to have it at some point in the past.

Even if it is a real Dragon Tear though, Chrono & co don't know how to use it and they don't need it's use.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on November 21, 2008, 07:42:12 am
Hey, I finally caved & started to play, too...So far I've noticed some small differences that I didn't see in the first 8 pages of this thread (I stopped reading because I sorta wanted to experience it for myself)...like equipment now has descriptions (hey, more stuff to add to the Compendium's Encyclopedia entries, hooray?)...as well as Techs (or did they originally? I forget)...

And one thing that sorta bugged me was that as soon as Crono woke up, I tried to do my usual CT start-up routine where I say 'screw you' to Crono's mom, shut the curtains and go back into bed...only to find...I couldn't get back into the bed! *shock* It's a whole new world, people! Is nothing's holy!?! :lol:
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: placidchap on November 21, 2008, 08:34:36 am
So what is the deal with that Chrono clone and merging with it?  Just a boss battle? Or was it a Chrono from another dimension with more significance that just a boss battle?

edit:
Also, thank you Dark Serge!  It was an exciting day yesterday. 

I am not disappointed by the new content, as I didn't expect it to answer all questions.  The few tidbits thrown our way certainly were juicy!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 21, 2008, 09:13:02 am
So that's how it ends.  Hmph.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 21, 2008, 10:27:16 am
Up to fighting the Black Tyranno now... has anyone killed the DD without cheats yet?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 21, 2008, 10:55:29 am
I'm in the Cathedral. Clearly, I have a long way to go.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on November 21, 2008, 12:40:23 pm
Did anyone try the Lost Santum quests, lol
They are just...evil, IMO...You have to climb the very same mountain for countless times...
sigh*

PS: This quest reminds me how chrono cross was created.

(http://www.duose.com/p/2008/1121/84656_899375.png)

(http://www.duose.com/p/2008/1122/1471_13375.png)

(http://www.duose.com/p/2008/1122/1523_961875.png)
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: mav on November 21, 2008, 12:42:34 pm
Looks like everyone rushed to the Dimensional Vortex, or whatever it's called, and neglected some of the other content.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 21, 2008, 12:44:56 pm
Up to fighting the Black Tyranno now... has anyone killed the DD without cheats yet?

Ofcourse. Dream Devourer is about as difficult as Lavos Core, maybe a bit harder. But it's not something you would have a really hard time with.

I didn't skip all the content. Only a little part.

About those Chrono, Marle, and Lucca clones... I don't know what they are. But something of it reminds me of the Ghost Children in CC. On the other hand, they could purely boss fights put in just for the heck of it.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: ker-plop on November 21, 2008, 01:10:29 pm
Looks like they're planning to stamp out Cross completely.  I wonder why...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: placidchap on November 21, 2008, 01:16:55 pm
About those Chrono, Marle, and Lucca clones... I don't know what they are. But something of it reminds me of the Ghost Children in CC. On the other hand, they could purely boss fights put in just for the heck of it.

Didn't Queen Zeal create some clones too, back in the Black Omen?

What's up with all of these clones.

Maybe they are being pulled in from different dimensions or times...ones where Crono and crew happen to be evil...

bah.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Eternal Myst on November 21, 2008, 03:04:02 pm
 :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

So thats the end...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Toan on November 21, 2008, 04:32:22 pm
Looks like they're planning to stamp out Cross completely.  I wonder why...
What makes you think that. Clearly, they are leading into Chrono Cross, because the Dream Devourer wasn't "destroyed" and Magus looses his memory. The FMV of the wedding depict Lucca finding Kid, and the secret ending showing the fall of Guardia.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Prince Janus on November 21, 2008, 04:56:02 pm
I think he just wasn't paying attention.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: mav on November 21, 2008, 05:35:27 pm
Agreed--this ending really canonized CC, if anything...but I wonder how many of these changes were intended or if some things were done just to quickly patch up some holes in the plot.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Rio Rock on November 21, 2008, 05:37:31 pm
Is there also a new FMV ending? Or just the new ending with Magus?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 21, 2008, 05:49:47 pm
Is there also a new FMV ending? Or just the new ending with Magus?

Just the ending with Magus
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Eket on November 21, 2008, 06:01:26 pm
Is there also a new FMV ending? Or just the new ending with Magus?

Just the ending with Magus

Perhaps something new is shown on new game+ ? I'm guessing no one has gotten that far yet though.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: mav on November 21, 2008, 06:12:11 pm
I think they checked the folders with all the FMVs and it added up to 10, the same amount as the PSX port. I was looking forward to seeing some more FMVs, but whatever.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 21, 2008, 06:15:01 pm
Is there also a new FMV ending? Or just the new ending with Magus?

Just the ending with Magus

Perhaps something new is shown on new game+ ? I'm guessing no one has gotten that far yet though.

I doubt it, but it's possible I guess. I'll check it out some time
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 21, 2008, 07:42:38 pm
Ok then, he looses his memory and ends up in a forest, I can accept that. However, does it tells where, and more importantly, when does he ends up?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 21, 2008, 07:54:05 pm
It doesn't.  That could be hinting at where he is in Chrono Cross (ie - Guile) - but let's hope not.  Let's hope it could instead be used for a new Chrono game secretly in the works!

But you know what, it fits quite perfectly into some of the fan games being worked on around here...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 21, 2008, 08:15:42 pm
My guess is he turned up somewhere around 1010 AD, then in the next 10 years he moves to El Nido, researching various enigmas. Eventually he meets Serge and his friends, and eventually helps them defeat the Time Devourer, after which he finally regains his memories.

It fits almost too perfectly for Guile not to be Magus now. But leaving open these questions, I have a feeling Square is still not done yet with the Chrono series.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: art_garfunkel on November 21, 2008, 08:18:40 pm
I'm not convinced Guile is Magus either, unless Magus doesnt age, which is ridiculous. Guile does not look to be in his 40's, which is how old Janus would be at the time of Chrono Cross. Guile also doesn't have the ears.

Guile is just some dude. That being said, if there is another Chrono game, I would love to see Guile make a return. I mean, he just looks cool.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 21, 2008, 08:30:13 pm
Mr. Garfunkel! May I be the first to extend to you the full salutations and hospitalities of the Chrono Compendium! V_Translanka, give Mr. Garfunkel your Compendiumite of the Month Badge, immediately!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Prince Janus on November 21, 2008, 08:37:06 pm
yeah, forgot he couldn't time travel... that'd be silly
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 21, 2008, 08:40:50 pm
PLEASE REALLY BY ART GARFUNKEL!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Prince Janus on November 21, 2008, 08:59:19 pm
 Guile looks like my uncle, only with a tux, mask, and long purple braid.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: art_garfunkel on November 21, 2008, 10:08:33 pm
yeah, forgot he couldn't time travel... that'd be silly
Well, how could he have time traveled? Unless the planet started opening gates again, OR he had use of the Epoch.

Why would he time travel to that particular year when all these events were happening if he had amnesia?

Why would Guile awaken from amnesia with a badass scythe and then start using ornamental sticks instead?

I believe i've made my point.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 21, 2008, 10:50:27 pm
Theory! Cross is being ported to the PSP 'cept the plot and characters are being revamped, and along with these Guile will be retcon'd into a more Magus-esque character, fitting in with Trigger DS's ending. The forest in question could be Shadow Forest, right? Although it could be anywhere, of course.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: maggiekarp on November 21, 2008, 11:08:11 pm
So wait, what happens to the Magus that joined your party?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Prince Janus on November 21, 2008, 11:59:09 pm
...well, I suppose he simply goes about on his search for Schala, not yet aware. Right now, a lot of people don't think 1000 AD's cast returns to 1000 AD for some reason and ask what sounds to me like an obvious question: what happens to them? Maybe they should be asking that of Party Magus...?


  either
 
         A: He goes back to 12,000whatever (seriously what is it? A thousand or a million? people keep saying different things) to pick up his cat and sit there for awhile until something happens and he can resume his search.

         B: Same as above, but they are in fact NOT the same person at two different times

         C: A moogle kidnaps him and gets him so drunk he takes his pants off and blows up a car.

         D: He runs across a field and gets zapped to nothing by lightning, like in that movie Powder. Assume cutscene Magus is same as in B.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 22, 2008, 12:03:33 am
...well, I suppose he simply goes about on his search for Schala, not yet aware. Right now, a lot of people don't think 1000 AD's cast returns to 1000 AD for some reason and ask what sounds to me like an obvious question: what happens to them? Maybe they should be asking that of Party Magus...?


  either
 
         A: He goes back to 12,000whatever (seriously what is it? A thousand or a million? people keep saying different things) to pick up his cat and sit there for awhile until something happens and he can resume his search.

         B: Same as above, but they are in fact NOT the same person at two different times

         C: A moogle kidnaps him and gets him so drunk he takes his pants off and blows up a car.

         D: He runs across a field and gets zapped to nothing by lightning, like in that movie Powder. Assume cutscene Magus is same as in B.

E. maggiekarp ends up drawing scenario C and we all die laughing.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Prince Janus on November 22, 2008, 12:10:04 am
Quote
E. maggiekarp ends up drawing scenario C and we all die laughing.


Nah, can't. That assumes Kirby is the final boss, and that Magus and Schala switch roles.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 22, 2008, 12:17:26 am
Well, I don't think those two are the same. I mean, if the other one came from the future, how did he access the area in the first place?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Prince Janus on November 22, 2008, 12:22:17 am
 Who said he came from the future? We're just saying he's from later on. he could have been hiding anywhere.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 22, 2008, 12:30:01 am
'Here, Lavos is no more. This is the future in which we've defeated him.

Whether that is the future of the world from which you've come, I do not know.
There are as many worlds as there are potentialities.'

Well, that make me thought that.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Prince Janus on November 22, 2008, 12:33:55 am
 I'm not saying I don't think there are two. Just not sure if that means he's from a later time period, as opposed to just being a little older than normal Magus.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: art_garfunkel on November 22, 2008, 01:49:43 am
Suppose the amnesiac Magus is not the 2nd one, but he is in fact the one from your party? Therefore Schala was attempting to protect Magus from trying to go after the Devourer again, and at the same time nullifing the 2nd Magus' actions that we see.

Also, the 2nd Magus is clearly from the normal post-Trigger timeline. He goes off, finds a way to enter the Dimensional Vortex, and there we find him. Of course if the amnesiac Magus is the one from your party, then this changes his future, in that he wouldnt have gone after the Devourer, unlike the 2nd Magus. Sample timeline:

Ending of Trigger, Magus 1 and Future Magus goes off searching for Schala -> Future Magus goes into the Dimensional Vortex, where we find him -> Magus 1 Enters the Dimensional Vortex also -> Schala wipes Magus 1's memory -> Future Magus ceases to be, because Magus 1 would not enter the Dimensional Vortex, and therefore not have his memory wiped -> Magus 1 ditches his scythe, cuts off his ears, moves to El Nido and is Guile. (Yeah right.)

In short, although having Magus 1 be the one who loses his memory is interesting, it is way too problematic to work.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: MagilsugaM on November 22, 2008, 02:39:54 am
Theory! Cross is being ported to the PSP 'cept the plot and characters are being revamped, and along with these Guile will be retcon'd into a more Magus-esque character, fitting in with Trigger DS's ending. The forest in question could be Shadow Forest, right? Although it could be anywhere, of course.
That's what I said. And could be possible.
Maybe SE is going to make a remake od Chrono Cross for DS or PSP. With a possible link to this ending.
But who knows what is crossing in their minds right now after this.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Eket on November 22, 2008, 03:39:41 am
Hmm... This all seems to me like Kato has just found out the uses of ducttape...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: NaYA on November 22, 2008, 04:20:07 am
OMG! OMG! OMG!

Hi. I just registered here just so I could say this. XD

OMG! WTF! ACK! OMG! AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!...huh?
(okay I'm done now)

A job well done for all of you who put effort into bringing us the news!
lol @ Kato finding out the uses of duct tape
I wonder if they will update Chrono Cross and port it over to maybe Wii or PS3 or make an entirely new sequel...?
Or was this only to tie a few loose ends? Boy, they sure got us worked up. Now I feel like playing CC again...

Oh and for differences, I'm SO thankful for the perma-run setting. :D
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on November 22, 2008, 05:58:14 am
My guess is he turned up somewhere around 1010 AD, then in the next 10 years he moves to El Nido, researching various enigmas. Eventually he meets Serge and his friends, and eventually helps them defeat the Time Devourer, after which he finally regains his memories.

It fits almost too perfectly for Guile not to be Magus now. But leaving open these questions, I have a feeling Square is still not done yet with the Chrono series.
Yeah, but that's still strange Schale didn't recognize him, although he's wearing a mask.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Rio Rock on November 22, 2008, 08:41:45 am
Is there also a new FMV ending? Or just the new ending with Magus?

Just the ending with Magus

Perhaps something new is shown on new game+ ? I'm guessing no one has gotten that far yet though.

I doubt it, but it's possible I guess. I'll check it out some time

A new FMV would be nice.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Insane on November 22, 2008, 10:42:23 am
The kid sitting on the bench in the Fair says "There was a big war hundereds of years ago against the Fiendlords arimes. My mom says that if we'd lost, we wouldn't be having a fair like this today!", instead of: "Whats the big deal?! So what if we won a war against some dark wizard?!" (Or something like that..)

And the green haired girl by the fountain says "live happily ever after" instead of "interesting and happy lives".
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 22, 2008, 11:55:57 am
Suppose the amnesiac Magus is not the 2nd one, but he is in fact the one from your party? Therefore Schala was attempting to protect Magus from trying to go after the Devourer again, and at the same time nullifing the 2nd Magus' actions that we see.

Also, the 2nd Magus is clearly from the normal post-Trigger timeline. He goes off, finds a way to enter the Dimensional Vortex, and there we find him. Of course if the amnesiac Magus is the one from your party, then this changes his future, in that he wouldnt have gone after the Devourer, unlike the 2nd Magus. Sample timeline:

Ending of Trigger, Magus 1 and Future Magus goes off searching for Schala -> Future Magus goes into the Dimensional Vortex, where we find him -> Magus 1 Enters the Dimensional Vortex also -> Schala wipes Magus 1's memory -> Future Magus ceases to be, because Magus 1 would not enter the Dimensional Vortex, and therefore not have his memory wiped -> Magus 1 ditches his scythe, cuts off his ears, moves to El Nido and is Guile. (Yeah right.)

In short, although having Magus 1 be the one who loses his memory is interesting, it is way too problematic to work.

Impossible, Magus doesn't have to be in your party against the DD, so that point goes out of the window.

Also, there's a big plothole here somewhere. Where in the timeline do you fight the DD? Is it after you fought Lavos and after the ending where they all go back to their own time? Or is it before that? It seems it's impossible to be before you fought Lavos because how the hell would he merge with Schala if he wasn't defeated yet. But then, at the bucket in the End of Time you can also choose to go to 1999 AD to fight the normal Lavos.

I don't understand the DD fight yet. I really don't. We need more light shed on it.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Eket on November 22, 2008, 01:00:54 pm
Well... Doesn't magus himself say that this is a future where they have already defeated Lavos? The entire dream/time devourer bit, was a last ditch effort of Lavos to basically not die. Crono and Co actually helped Lavos become the dream devourer, it's their fault Schala got sucked into that dimensional vortex at the ocean palace incident. She might have saved herself if crono, magus etc weren't there.

The dream devourer also got unlocked after you ended the game once. The ability to still go back and fight lavos is just there, so you can basically refinish the game. Don't think it's anything more then that.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 22, 2008, 01:13:38 pm
So, does this means that the whole Dream Devourer thing is a 'post-game event'? It could make sense that way. Although, how would they get there I don't know.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 22, 2008, 01:27:10 pm
If it is, that means when they fight the DD, Chrono and Marle should already be married, Lucca should already have found baby Kid, and Glenn should already be human again and promoted to knight (or whatever he's promoted to in the ending FMV).
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 22, 2008, 01:35:07 pm
Which brings to another problem: Why would they travel to where the Dream Devourer is, anyway? That's the only flaw I see about being post-game.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Eket on November 22, 2008, 02:05:01 pm
Hmm... Well, i guess Kato put himself in a corner on this one O.o;
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: art_garfunkel on November 22, 2008, 02:19:43 pm
If it is, that means when they fight the DD, Chrono and Marle should already be married, Lucca should already have found baby Kid, and Glenn should already be human again and promoted to knight (or whatever he's promoted to in the ending FMV).
I dont think its a stretch to say that the DD fight could take place immediately after the Lavos fight, but before they return.

or, it could be that the canon ending of Trigger leaves the party with the Epoch, which provides a nice explanation of why they could go back to the End of Time.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 22, 2008, 02:22:16 pm
But then, how does they learn about the DD? Ok, maybe Gaspar tells them. And then, how does Magus arrives there?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: art_garfunkel on November 22, 2008, 02:27:53 pm
But then, how does they learn about the DD? Ok, maybe Gaspar tells them. And then, how does Magus arrives there?
wouldnt YOU be a little curious when a new portal opened at the EoT?

It doesnt say. Presumably he finds a way sometime after Trigger. Makes sense that he'd be there just after the Lavos fight anyway, as thats the earliest time that the Devourer would exist.

Bringing Magus with you to fight the DD creates so many timeline issues. It'll be a while before we sort all this out.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 22, 2008, 03:44:44 pm
Well the Chrono series always leaves some room for speculation...  The way I see it, after Chrono Trigger, after Lavos is defeated and the party separates, Magus somehow travels back in time to the moment with the Dream Devourer.  It's just Magus from the future, from my understanding...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 22, 2008, 04:31:28 pm
UGH, damn Golem Twins Sisters. *just lost twice*
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 22, 2008, 06:54:04 pm
It's easy dude :D Just equip yellow plate/vest and Rainbow helmet and burn loose with Lightning 2 or Luminaire :D
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: justin3009 on November 22, 2008, 07:39:09 pm
The easiest way I found out was to use Water 2, then use Confuse on 1 golem.  Then have Robo do Robo Tackle.  If you do it in the right order, the golem will only attack with it's weak "Ice" attack.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Lakonthegreat on November 22, 2008, 08:26:17 pm
Crono's new sword is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G.

And the new ultra armors are awesome.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: radicalblues on November 22, 2008, 09:57:03 pm
Isn't everyone overreacting to the "new ending"? For one, it's the last alternative ending. Should I remember you that there's also an ending where all the planet is Reptites? granted, there is a Reptite dimension, it illustrates another possibility... and this is exactly what the alternate Prophet/Magus says.

I think the new ending doesn't follow a chronological event leading to Chrono Cross (eh, the party was wiped by the Dream Devourer, no Robo, no Lucca, no one alive), but does however illustrate an aspect of the Chrono Series through an alternate story, much like the Reptites ending does.

What I'm saying is that Chrono and the others didn't really got there to fight the Devourer, but it does illustrate that Magus did. And had his memory erased. The party being there is irrelevant. They never really faced the Devourer.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: art_garfunkel on November 22, 2008, 10:06:49 pm
Isn't everyone overreacting to the "new ending"? For one, it's the last alternative ending. Should I remember you that there's also an ending where all the planet is Reptites? granted, there is a Reptite dimension, it illustrates another possibility... and this is exactly what the alternate Prophet/Magus says.

I think the new ending doesn't follow a chronological event leading to Chrono Cross (eh, the party was wiped by the Dream Devourer, no Robo, no Lucca, no one alive), but does however illustrate an aspect of the Chrono Series through an alternate story, much like the Reptites ending does.

What I'm saying is that Chrono and the others didn't really got there to fight the Devourer, but it does illustrate that Magus did. And had his memory erased. The party being there is irrelevant. They never really faced the Devourer.
Given that this ending is not earned in the same way as the others, and its accessible in a normal game, not a New Game+, I think the canonical status of this ending is hard to dispute.
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Post by: Dark Serge on November 22, 2008, 10:11:22 pm
Yeah pretty much what the guy said. You get the "nonsense" endings through beating Lavos in various chapters through a New Game+. This ending however is obtained by defeating a whole new extra boss that appears in the normal playthrough. So yeah, it's canon.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: steampowered on November 23, 2008, 04:00:08 am
It doesn't.  That could be hinting at where he is in Chrono Cross (ie - Guile) - but let's hope not.  Let's hope it could instead be used for a new Chrono game secretly in the works!

But you know what, it fits quite perfectly into some of the fan games being worked on around here...

Guile ends up not being Magus. According to an interview (linked from here I think), Guile was INTENDED to be Magus but they ended up scrapping it due to time.
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Post by: Prince Janus on November 23, 2008, 04:41:01 am
 Not time.    It was due to an ending imbalance. Everyone has their own unique sequence when dealing with Schala in that game. According to Kato, Magus would have totally drowned them out.
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Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 23, 2008, 10:37:32 am
Quote
Guile ends up not being Magus. According to an interview (linked from here I think), Guile was INTENDED to be Magus but they ended up scrapping it due to time.

We know that, hombre, but then again that was pre-CT:DS.  No telling if they're trying to rewrite canon or what.  In due time we will know.
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Post by: mav on November 23, 2008, 10:51:38 am
Or so we hope, but yeah, I don't know if we can use some of Kato's old statements regarding Guile anymore: CTDS is, like Boo said, rewriting canon. We'll need to see a post CTDS statement by Kato before we can make a fair judgment.
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Post by: Romana on November 23, 2008, 08:33:23 pm
The Amulet is now called "Schala's Amulet". The description is "An amulet received from Schala."
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Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 23, 2008, 11:43:56 pm
*sees the Post-Final-Boss pic*

 :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
HOLY F***ING CRAP-MONKEY SH** ON RYE!!!

'Nuff said.

In other news, I can't wait for CTDS to hit stores here in the US on Tuesday.

(Query: The release date IS Tuesday, right? I heard they pushed it back to Wednesday.)
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Post by: Magus22 on November 24, 2008, 10:00:47 am
I have been following the news and have returned here to see this site flourishing like never before!

*saw the spoiler of Schala*

I am actually right now in a web publishing class @ college, and my jaw dropped  for at least a couple minutes as I continued to read your posts afterwards. My professor was asking if I was O.K.

LOLz

This is most interesting. However, I do not understand at the moment and I am going to need to read up more here and get some of my Japanese friends to translate that page. How is this possible? Does this take place before or after the Lavos-inner core battle?

btw... it's great to be back here :D

EDIT: arggg!!! my Captain Picard avatar is gone!! WTF - I'll need to change this when I get home
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Post by: Romana on November 24, 2008, 10:05:03 am
Magus22! Great to see you back!

How is this possible? Does this take place before or after the Lavos-inner core battle?

After, it gets unlocked as an option from the bucket in the End of Time once you finish the game.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: steamwolf on November 24, 2008, 12:21:53 pm
Well this is my first post, so excuse me if I am stepping out of line here or anything being a newcomer, but I've been reading this thread for some time now and thought I'd throw in a few of my own ideas.

Concerning the added ending: We see Magus inside the Dimensional Vortex, he says some meaningful Chrono stuff and then jumps in to save Schala. Well there is one thing I must ask...what happens if you kill Magus? Theoretically speaking, Frog killing Magus in the past should completely wipe him out if thats truly a future Magus, right? Yet no matter what, I bet you anything he's always there no matter if you kill his "past" self or not. So this brings up an interesting question in itself...

1. Is that really Magus?

2. Is he from another reality/universe?

3. Does this rewrite when the two worlds split?

4. Is it possible this is Magus from Radical Dreamers? And if so, does this mean it really is part of the canon and actually matters to the overall Chrono plot, or what?

Granted, my personal belief is it is a future Magus, but one cannot ignore these possibilities.

Concerning Magus being Guile: Its argued that Magus does not know how to exactly time travel, so he can't possibly be all that young as Guile appears in CC. Well I think everyone is forgetting one small piece of evidence here. The people of Zeal gained power from Lavos himself. Lavos is capable of effecting the space-time continuum aaaand...Queen Zeal herself can open gates to other time periods. Magus is her son, and unless this was removed from the new script, it is said Janus was more powerful than Schala, who appeared to be more powerful than Zeal (considering Zeal seemed to need Schala to do specific things, this conclusion seems to make sense).

Now granted, the age difference can be argued but I'll say this: If David Bowie can be sixty years old and look thirty-fourty, then a magical demon king who most likely can open up time-traveling portals can be fourty and look however the hell he wants imo (Though I'd like to see someone proove Magus' age, Toriyama isn't very good at realism). Guile could pass for thirty honestly. Now sure, Magus looks like a demon/fiend/mystic. But does anyone wonder if perhaps Magus' form in CT is a disguise? Remember, when he appeared to the Mystics as Janus, they attacked him. It would logically make sense to put on a disguise, use a Scythe, and appear more evil in order to frighten Guardia and keep the Mystics loyal to him. Really, why would magical power alter his physical form? Dalton clearly shows the ability to cast something similar to Dark Matter and he looks the same as ever. Also, Magus has used disguises in the past such as The Prophet. Now this was just a hood with shoulders, but either way he's used a disguise before to benefit himself. Whose to say Magus is nothing more than this? Its not even his real name, and Kato has had Magus go even further and go by Magil in RD.

Speaking of RD, I do believe one ending had Magil have amnesia and not know who he was, which sort of makes this make even more sense. Guile was...a bit too GOOD with Black elements, just happened to be able to float (not a common trait in 1020 AD), and his techs were too much like actual Shadow magic to be just coincidence. Sure, he was originally supposed to be Magus but he seemed too much like him to be altered to just be some dude who happened to be decent with magic. I'm not one for wishful thinking, but neither can I ignore the obvious.

Concerning the Dimensional Vortex: I am of the personal belief that this is either the Darkness Beyond Time, or similar to it. In which case, I do not believe that the Dream Devourer is something that happens after 1999, but something that occurred at the moment Lavos absorbed Schala. Now granted, I'm not exactly sure when the DD actually became what it is (it DOES exist outside of Time, so theoretically couldn't it exist at the same time as the normal Lavos?). Either way, I don't think it actually is at any particular point in time, as evidence to the Dimensional Distortion which seems to have various locations from multiple eras and locations throughout the game.

Either way, thats it for now. I think after I play the game I'll have more to say. So far from what I have see in videos and read, these are the conclusions I draw.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 24, 2008, 05:37:58 pm
Arc Impulse -> Frost Arc

wut.
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Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 24, 2008, 05:58:10 pm
Arc Impulse -> Frost Arc

wut.

Those bastards!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 24, 2008, 08:20:15 pm
Confuse is now Frenzy. Now that name makes sence for the attack.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 24, 2008, 09:40:09 pm
Confuse is now Frenzy. Now that name makes sence for the attack.

Sux though since the fan-retelling "The Legend Of Chrono Trigger" (Which I COMPLETELY recommend that all CT fans read) actually gave an explanation for the name.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 24, 2008, 09:46:14 pm
Wonder Shot's damage now varies depending on play time rather than a random multiplication.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 24, 2008, 09:54:44 pm
Hey, guys? I've gotten confused as to the final U.S. release date is. Isn't it tomorrow, November 25? Please reply ASAP.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 24, 2008, 09:55:13 pm
Wonder Shot's damage now varies depending on play time rather than a random multiplication.

And how does that one works now?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 24, 2008, 09:57:14 pm
Hey, guys? I've gotten confused as to the final U.S. release date is. Isn't it tomorrow, November 25? Please reply ASAP.

Yep, 25th.

Wonder Shot's damage now varies depending on play time rather than a random multiplication.

And how does that one works now?

No idea. Maybe it just increases with play time?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 24, 2008, 10:06:07 pm
Hey, guys? I've gotten confused as to the final U.S. release date is. Isn't it tomorrow, November 25? Please reply ASAP.

Yep, 25th.

YES!!!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 24, 2008, 10:31:10 pm
Hey, guys? I've gotten confused as to the final U.S. release date is. Isn't it tomorrow, November 25? Please reply ASAP.

Yep, 25th.

YES!!!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Good. Although, I don't have a DS. Guess I'll stick with the Japanese ROM for now.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 24, 2008, 11:59:43 pm
One hour. Someone go play Prince of Persia 1.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: MagilsugaM on November 25, 2008, 12:51:44 am

Which one PC original one?
 
BTW I check on to buy it. From HongKong it cost more than 90 bucks. Is like 89 + 30 of postage (AUSDollar is so chep right know).
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 25, 2008, 08:29:30 am

Which one PC original one?

Never mind. It's too late. As for which P.O.P. I meant the original version. A copy was embedded in P.O.P. Sands Of Time. I couldn't play it myself b/c my GCN is dead and my Wii is disconnected (so that my brother's PS3 could connect to the system in the Wii's place).
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dazed on November 25, 2008, 09:01:53 pm
In the original SNES release of the game Melchior the Swordsmith has a sword available to buy (for an insane price) that i know you cant get until the Future Age. I don't remember the name of the sword but it is not there in the DS release. The best sword he has to sell is the Silver sword for 4000g. I was upset with this because i planned on fighting gato until i raised enough money to buy it.
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Post by: Dark Serge on November 25, 2008, 09:17:45 pm
It's the same sword. It was called Lode Sword in the SNES version, but it was the same sword for 4000g.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 25, 2008, 09:20:34 pm
For further proof, check the chests that had the same sword in Guardia Prison and Site 16. They will also be Silver Swords.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 25, 2008, 09:42:22 pm
Damn, all these new names (or carry-overs from Japanese to English) Why couldn't they keep the SNES names? :cry:
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 25, 2008, 10:14:52 pm
Damn, all these new names (or carry-overs from Japanese to English) Why couldn't they keep the SNES names? :cry:

Well, for the Lode thing, it's better that way. I don't think a sword will be too much weaker than an armor and helm of the same material (even if gotten much later like at Mt. Woe). But those two were and are now Platinum, so they were of different materials since the start.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 25, 2008, 10:44:25 pm
I miss Mt. Woe. I loved that part of the game.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 25, 2008, 11:24:40 pm
I miss Mt. Woe. I loved that part of the game.

It's, uh... still there?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 25, 2008, 11:46:22 pm
I miss Mt. Woe. I loved that part of the game.

It's, uh... still there?

*facepalm*

I meant that as I miss playing it.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on November 26, 2008, 12:08:46 am
There's only one language besides english in CTDS.. and that's French, and while the english script uses Crono, the French uses Chrono. :P

that's why you can name the characters up to 6 letters :D
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 26, 2008, 12:25:57 am
There's only one language besides english in CTDS.. and that's French, and while the english script uses Crono, the French uses Chrono. :P

that's why you can name the characters up to 6 letters :D

YAY!!!  :D
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Post by: Vehek on November 26, 2008, 12:43:58 am
There's only one language besides english in CTDS.. and that's French
I was wondering about the mention of "French translation" when I was looking in the scripts of CTDS JPN.
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Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 26, 2008, 01:16:02 am
There's only one language besides english in CTDS.. and that's French
I was wondering about the mention of "French translation" when I was looking in the scripts of CTDS JPN.

Too bad there wasn't a spanish translation too. Not that I would really need it, but as a way to get my brother to play the game. He would probably do if he could understand english.
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Post by: Dark Serge on November 26, 2008, 01:20:56 am
I wonder if the European version will have 6 letters too
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Post by: Shinrin on November 26, 2008, 01:41:42 am
Most likely.
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Post by: Rio Rock on November 26, 2008, 06:44:17 am
I wonder if the European version will have 6 letters too

It seems so. The European version will just come with English and French.
http://www.kochmedia.de/haendler/shop/public/ECD595125.jsf
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dream Devourer on November 26, 2008, 12:07:37 pm
Wait! Are you able to rename Crono Chrono in English?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: mav on November 26, 2008, 12:29:05 pm
I believe so, but I don't have the game yet, so what do I know?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 26, 2008, 12:41:41 pm
Wait! Are you able to rename Crono Chrono in English?

Yeah. According to Shinrin, the limit is expanded to 6 characters. The Japanese version is still stuck with 5.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 26, 2008, 12:43:35 pm
Wait! Are you able to rename Crono Chrono in English?

Yeah. According to Shinrin, the limit is expanded to 6 characters. The Japanese version is still stuck with 5.

Doesn't answer everything though. If I recall, in Chrono Cross, you can't rename Serge to Crono or Chrono or whatever.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 26, 2008, 12:50:10 pm
Wait! Are you able to rename Crono Chrono in English?

Yeah. According to Shinrin, the limit is expanded to 6 characters. The Japanese version is still stuck with 5.

Heh, suckers.

...

Uh, IDK why I said that.

Wait! Are you able to rename Crono Chrono in English?

Yeah. According to Shinrin, the limit is expanded to 6 characters. The Japanese version is still stuck with 5.

Doesn't answer everything though. If I recall, in Chrono Cross, you can't rename Serge to Crono or Chrono or whatever.

What does it say when you try?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 26, 2008, 01:02:52 pm
When you try to hit Confirm you just hear an error sound and it won't leave the screen until you change it to something else and Confirm.

Chrono and Crono aren't possible for Serge. CHRONO is possible. There may be more, but I don't have the patience to try it all out. Anyway, some names aren't possible.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 26, 2008, 01:07:03 pm
When you try to hit Confirm you just hear an error sound and it won't leave the screen until you change it to something else and Confirm.

Chrono and Crono aren't possible for Serge. CHRONO is possible. There may be more, but I don't have the patience to try it all out. Anyway, some names aren't possible.

That sux.  :(
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Post by: utunnels on November 26, 2008, 01:19:42 pm
Hah, I heard Final Fantasy II PSP has the same problem, so Richard is renamed to Ricard, Frioniel is renamed to Firion, etc..
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 26, 2008, 01:43:26 pm
LOL Ricard. Picard.

Ricard
Picard
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Post by: Kamiyu Bidan on November 26, 2008, 10:12:04 pm
Hah, I heard Final Fantasy II PSP has the same problem, so Richard is renamed to Ricard, Frioniel is renamed to Firion, etc..


i think they made it Ricard because Richard was somehow common in NA

Frioniel to Firion i guess is because of space limitations or because of a mistranslation (Firiyoneru) (but i liked the Frioniel name better)
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on November 27, 2008, 07:41:08 am
In Ending No.11, Magus's lines are changed to:

If I must vanish from existence to see this done,
then I shall welcome that fate!

which used to be:

If my fate is to be destroyed,
I must simply laugh!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Rio Rock on November 27, 2008, 07:55:17 am
Is seems that there are some differences between CTDS JP and US.
In the US version you don't have the option to change the language in the settings menue.

(http://666kb.com/i/b46s1xm8gonikl9om.jpg) (http://666kb.com/i/b46s2s7wamltjskzq.jpg)

(http://666kb.com/i/b46shrx3f2wu9mwqu.jpg) (http://666kb.com/i/b46si6muknb03zmme.jpg)

Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on November 27, 2008, 08:34:50 am
Wow, this thread should be picked through and made different threads for certain types of differences because this is a big fuckall bunch of random info as is...Anyways, I have no way of knowing (because I had stopped reading at page 8 as to not spoil my own playthrough too much), but here's a few new quotes I found interesting...

Quote from: Belthasar
A doppel doll! That would do nicely.
The magician Norstein Bekkler could whip one up in the wink of an eye, if only he were here.
You've not heard of him, you say? Well, he loves festivals. Find a fair, and there, too, you shall almost certainly find Bekkler!

Apparently not only does it seem as though Bekkler is an immortal who Belthasar is aware of, but he's also a magician...I also don't know if this is similar to the Compendium Retranslation because I don't think I got that far in it *heh heh*...>_>

Quote from: Gaspar
This is a battle between Lavos and the very planet itself!

This is Gaspar's final line after you've gone through all of the sidequests & the Black Omen (& obviously backed out of Lavos)...Hooray for more Entity=Planet confirmation!

Quote from: Robo
1999 A.D.! Date confirmed!
The time is 1:24!
This is the precise moment!

This is why I love bringing Robo around (besides being an absolutely bitching powerhouse character)...He's always got fancy instruments to tell me fun stuff like the exact time of Lavos' eruption. This is when you bring him in the Epoch, btw.

Also, this was my first playthrough where I not only got everyone's Techs w/o whoring Nu (and before whoring Black Omens too), but I was also at level 60! wtf!? Lost Sanctum is nuts for leveling. Lavos lasted the 5~10 min of my old ** New Game+ run throughs...Crono, Lucca, Robo FTW!!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 27, 2008, 10:11:20 am
Wow, this thread should be picked through and made different threads for certain types of differences because this is a big fuckall bunch of random info as is...Anyways, I have no way of knowing (because I had stopped reading at page 8 as to not spoil my own playthrough too much), but here's a few new quotes I found interesting...

Quote from: Belthasar
A doppel doll! That would do nicely.
The magician Norstein Bekkler could whip one up in the wink of an eye, if only he were here.
You've not heard of him, you say? Well, he loves festivals. Find a fair, and there, too, you shall almost certainly find Bekkler!

Apparently not only does it seem as though Bekkler is an immortal who Belthasar is aware of, but he's also a magician...I also don't know if this is similar to the Compendium Retranslation because I don't think I got that far in it *heh heh*...>_>

Quote from: Gaspar
This is a battle between Lavos and the very planet itself!

This is Gaspar's final line after you've gone through all of the sidequests & the Black Omen (& obviously backed out of Lavos)...Hooray for more Entity=Planet confirmation!

Quote from: Robo
1999 A.D.! Date confirmed!
The time is 1:24!
This is the precise moment!

This is why I love bringing Robo around (besides being an absolutely bitching powerhouse character)...He's always got fancy instruments to tell me fun stuff like the exact time of Lavos' eruption. This is when you bring him in the Epoch, btw.

Also, this was my first playthrough where I not only got everyone's Techs w/o whoring Nu (and before whoring Black Omens too), but I was also at level 60! wtf!? Lost Sanctum is nuts for leveling. Lavos lasted the 5~10 min of my old ** New Game+ run throughs...Crono, Lucca, Robo FTW!!

Are those quotes from CTDS or the Japanese translation?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on November 27, 2008, 10:39:19 am
CTDS...I thought that was obvious, this being the CTDS differences thread...>_>
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Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 27, 2008, 10:43:31 am
CTDS...I thought that was obvious, this being the CTDS differences thread...>_>

Sorry, but could you say so in future? I thought it might have come from the Japanese translation. BTW, if that's just his line saying that if he's supposed to die, he can only laugh, can we have the rest of it?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on November 27, 2008, 11:39:09 am
Wait, what do you mean by Japanese translation? I'm playing the Japanese ROM with the English language on if that's what you mean...is that different from the English ROM's translation somehow? Or did you mean was I personally translating the Japanese text itself? Because I'm definitely not doing that...And none of the quotes I gave was from Magus, so idk what you're talking about that quote for...>_>

EDIT: oh, i see what you meant, you were talking about utunnels' post...you just...didn't signify the change in who you were addressing at all...>_>
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 27, 2008, 12:08:06 pm
Wait, what do you mean by Japanese translation? I'm playing the Japanese ROM with the English language on if that's what you mean...is that different from the English ROM's translation somehow? Or did you mean was I personally translating the Japanese text itself? Because I'm definitely not doing that...And none of the quotes I gave was from Magus, so idk what you're talking about that quote for...>_>

EDIT: oh, i see what you meant, you were talking about utunnels' post...you just...didn't signify the change in who you were addressing at all...>_>

Eh heh heh... :oops: My bad.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dream Devourer on November 27, 2008, 01:59:44 pm
Can't just keep sitting here and not play Trigger, gonna look if my local gamestore has an imported US version.

Now, I just want to confirm one last thing: I want to be absolutely sure that I can name Crono Chrono in the US/English version. Please don't answer if you just heard it from someone else, but only if you actually have the game and tried it yourself.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 27, 2008, 02:05:26 pm
Can't just keep sitting here and not play Trigger, gonna look if my local gamestore has an imported US version.

Now, I just want to confirm one last thing: I want to be absolutely sure that I can name Crono Chrono in the US/English version. Please don't answer if you just heard it from someone else, but only if you actually have the game and tried it yourself.

Actually, we heard it from people who have tried it in the game and confirmed it.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 27, 2008, 02:09:21 pm
Can't just keep sitting here and not play Trigger, gonna look if my local gamestore has an imported US version.

Now, I just want to confirm one last thing: I want to be absolutely sure that I can name Crono Chrono in the US/English version. Please don't answer if you just heard it from someone else, but only if you actually have the game and tried it yourself.

Six letters is confirmed, whether you can actually rename him Chrono or not remains a question.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: justin3009 on November 27, 2008, 02:11:01 pm
...If 6 letters are available then why couldn't you name him "Chrono"
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dream Devourer on November 27, 2008, 02:30:35 pm
...If 6 letters are available then why couldn't you name him "Chrono"

Apparently it wasn't possible to name Serge "Crono" or "Chrono" either. So that's why I want certainty.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: KebreI on November 27, 2008, 02:35:09 pm
In Ending No.11, Magus's lines are changed to:

If I must vanish from existence to see this done,
then I shall welcome that fate!

which used to be:

If my fate is to be destroyed,
I must simply laugh!
Ah man, I liked the original version better: If history is to change, let it change! If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to be destroyed...I must simply laugh!!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 27, 2008, 02:47:49 pm
In Ending No.11, Magus's lines are changed to:

If I must vanish from existence to see this done,
then I shall welcome that fate!

which used to be:

If my fate is to be destroyed,
I must simply laugh!
Ah man, I liked the original version better: If history is to change, let it change! If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to be destroyed...I must simply laugh!!

I still want to see the rest of that line, to see if the whole thing was better or not.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: tushantin on November 28, 2008, 11:32:07 am
Dang so many pages! XDDD

I'm not sure if this has already been said but... Here's it anyway. If it has been said then feel free to disregard it.

Most of the renaming, inclusions and changes are taking place in order to make "CT compatible with CC", and not the other way around.

Especially the origin of the Dragon's Tear and sort.

Also, the tech called "Grand Dream" has been changed to "Master Mune".
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 28, 2008, 12:07:22 pm
The Dragon's Tear is a bad translation.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on November 28, 2008, 02:04:16 pm
The Dragon's Tear is a bad translation.

Christ, of all things to mistranslate... So it's just a normal old item and nothing to do with the CC artifact of the same(ish) name? Besides this and DBT/Time's Eclipse, is there anything else that Slattery got wrong? On a side note, I'm gonna assume they'll be using these terms in all future Chrono games...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Dark Serge on November 28, 2008, 02:17:30 pm
Dragon's Tear is a new accessory, but has nothing do with the Dragon Tear whatsoever. It's an earring in the form of a tear; I believe in japanese it was called Dragon Pierce (pierce = earring in japanese).

And yes, there's more stuff Slattery got a bit wrong, but nothing so important that it pops in my head right now.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 28, 2008, 05:13:55 pm
Dragon's Tear is a new accessory, but has nothing do with the Dragon Tear whatsoever.

That's true. I think the point was that they thought you could make the Chrono Cross or something like that. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it. IDK.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on November 28, 2008, 09:23:05 pm
It's possible that it's just the form of the Dragon Tear in that dimension...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on November 28, 2008, 10:25:32 pm
It's possible that it's just the form of the Dragon Tear in that dimension...

I don't think so. If it's trully just an earring, then it should have been named Dragon Earring, not Dragon Tear. How did Pierce (Earring) got mistranslated as Tear I don't know.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 29, 2008, 12:12:13 am
How did Pierce (Earring) got mistranslated as Tear I don't know.

Three words. Mistranslation... is... bad. Any questions?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on November 29, 2008, 03:08:30 am
It also says...

Quote from: Dragon's Tear Description
An earring made from a great wyrm's teardrop.

So it would appear that it's actually a literal tear from a dragon...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on November 29, 2008, 03:47:47 am
So it's not a mistranslation, but invention. lol
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on November 29, 2008, 05:50:09 am
Most of the renaming, inclusions and changes are taking place in order to make "CT compatible with CC", and not the other way around.
Also, the tech called "Grand Dream" has been changed to "Master Mune".

Mastermune(Serge's weapon) in Chrono Cross is called grand dream in Janpanese version(グランドリーム, gran'dream, grand dream).

lol, but that's strange they didn't translate Masamune to 'Grandleon' in CT officially.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 29, 2008, 09:17:43 am
lol, but that's strange they didn't translate Masamune to 'Grandleon' in CT officially.

Yeah, I found that odd too. IMO, they should have changed it.

For the record, I made that change myself when I wrote Chrono Flux Redux, which can be found in the RP section. One of the differences between it (based on CTDS) and the original Chrono Flux (based on CT for SNES) was that Sonic's legendary sword is the Grandleon, whereas for his OCF (Original Chrono Flux) counterpart, Nathé, the sword was the Masamune. Same sword, different name.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 29, 2008, 11:02:31 am
Or maybe they both have the same name and are totally unrelated.  Just like how there are multiple people's with my name, and they aren't me.  Or... uh... bad example, but you get what I mean.   :D
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on November 29, 2008, 11:10:21 am
Yeah, one is a skill, the other is a weapon...
-_-

Maybe that's because Masa(or Grand) and Mune(or Leon)'s sister Doreen(or Dream), so it's called Grand Dream(I mean that weapon from CC), but for the skill from CT, I've no idea.

Quote
Mune:
   Huaaah...
   You awake, Masa?
 
Masa:
   Yeah...
   But looking back...
   I think we've done
   something terrible.

Mune:
   Heh heh...
   No one will know if
   we don't tell.
   
Doreen:
   HEY!
   What were you
   two up to!?

Masa:
   Yikes!
   It's Doreen!
   
Mune:
   N-Nothing!
   We don't remember a thing!
   
Doreen:
   Hmmm, I see...
   Well, just to make sure
   you're not up to any mischief...
   I'm coming along.

Masa:
   Alright!
   How many centuries has it been
   since the 3 of us got together!?

Doreen:
   OK then, let's go!
   
 [System]
   Serge's Sea Swallow
   transformed
   into the Mastermune.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on November 29, 2008, 11:14:07 am
Or maybe they both have the same name and are totally unrelated.  Just like how there are multiple people's with my name, and they aren't me.  Or... uh... bad example, but you get what I mean.   :D

Hmm... That might be a good point.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: MagilsugaM on November 30, 2008, 06:07:02 pm
It should be called Grandreamleon. Because they killed Leon when the Mastermune appeared in this case Masa.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Aitrus on December 01, 2008, 05:33:23 pm
I know it's been a long time since I've been active here, but the new release is bringing a bunch of people out of the woodworks, it seems.  Picked up both the game and a DS over the weekend, spent all weekend savoring it (working on the sidequests post-Crono revival now), and decided to stop in and see what was up.  Found this, though, and had to weigh in with my two cents.

So, does this means that the whole Dream Devourer thing is a 'post-game event'? It could make sense that way. Although, how would they get there I don't know.

The point is raised that since this takes place in the old save file after beating the game, where does the fight take place?  Is it in a world after Lavos' defeat, or before?  Why does it have to be clear cut?

If we assume that Lavos' defeat pushes him into the Tesseract, where he joins with Schala, then there is no problem here.  After all, the Tesseract is a side dimension, and is equally accessible from 65,000,000 BC as it is from the End of Time.  Time flows differently there, so Lavos is present after you end the game, even though you haven't beaten him yet.  Both he and Schala are there, despite Lavos still threatening the world, because you shunted him there earlier.

All it requires is thinking of reloading the old save file as a form of time travel.  You're taking the characters back in time to a point before Lavos was defeated, but the Tesseract is unchanging.  It doesn't care what you do, it will remain the same.

Anyway, that's just my two cents; we'll see how they hold up despite having been gone far too long.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Ken-san on December 01, 2008, 09:40:13 pm
Certainly it is troublesome to pinpoint when do the events of the new ending (and the vortex dungeons) happen, I figured that the whole Dream Devourer incident happens after the ending of the game since Marle, Lucca and Crono still have the Epoch and they have to go looking for Crono's mom, so maybe they went to the End of Time to gather their thoughts and ask Gaspar for advice, there they find about Time's Eclipse and decide to check it out, but if that was so why would the game let you use all of the party characters instead of only Crono, Marle and Lucca?
...
Most troublesome to pinpoint indeed...
Title: The input command at the factory.
Post by: Shinrin on December 02, 2008, 03:28:00 pm
When you hear the sound to put in the codes for the robot to remove the barrles. there's a bright flash on the screen, this doesn't happen on the SNES version.
Title: Re: The input command at the factory.
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 02, 2008, 05:17:03 pm
Interesting. Good find.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: art_garfunkel on December 03, 2008, 03:36:14 pm
Certainly it is troublesome to pinpoint when do the events of the new ending (and the vortex dungeons) happen, I figured that the whole Dream Devourer incident happens after the ending of the game since Marle, Lucca and Crono still have the Epoch and they have to go looking for Crono's mom, so maybe they went to the End of Time to gather their thoughts and ask Gaspar for advice, there they find about Time's Eclipse and decide to check it out, but if that was so why would the game let you use all of the party characters instead of only Crono, Marle and Lucca?
...
Most troublesome to pinpoint indeed...
Troublesome yes, important no. It clearly happens at some point after Lavos' defeat. The party still has the Epoch in the canon ending, so that accounts for their ability to go back to the End of Time. Whether it happens before or after the Millennial Fair return is unimportant.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Ken-san on December 03, 2008, 06:13:14 pm
You raise a most valid point, after they defeat Lavos the characters return to 1000 A.D. and the events of the Vortex dungeons could have happened in the time between Lavos' defeat and the morning the guard summons Crono to the castle, after all we don't know how much time goes by between those 2 events. Guess it wasn't actually so difficult to pinpoint when do these events happen.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Nitemares on December 03, 2008, 07:09:21 pm
don't know if it has been said but FRENZY BAND has been changed to WRATH BAND

also AMULET has been changed to SCHALA'S AMULET

before in the old versions of playstation and SNES if you equipped chrono with the amulet and started a new game + you would have an amulet in the beginning, i just did the same thing with schala's amulet and it did not give it to me at the beginning of a new game +, just thought i should share.

you also have to start over on your monster in the arena when you start a new game plus, so i'd save on another file so you can keep it if you want.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: KebreI on December 04, 2008, 04:11:07 am
All life begins and ends with nu. This is the undeniable truth, because I believe it to be so. At least for present.

Not nearly as powerful of a statement as in the SNES translation.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 04, 2008, 08:30:24 am
I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Aitrus on December 05, 2008, 03:23:07 pm
One funny thing I just found in Guardia Castle.

During the Rainbow Shell questline, when you return to 1000 AD after having King Guardia retrieve the shell in 600 AD, the castle is under lockdown as the King stands trial.  All the guards say something along the lines of "The Chancellor has ordered the castle be sealed while the trial is underway" or something similar.  Except one.

The right guard of the pair guarding the stairwell leading down to the kitchen and up to the courtroom says instead: "Same thing as the left."

Evidently, someone either wanted to joke around, or simply forgot to change a filler line.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on December 05, 2008, 03:32:35 pm
Evidently, someone either wanted to joke around, or simply forgot to change a filler line.

Ah, think about how they removed that 'Good morning, Crono', I won't be surprised if they forgot to replace a filler line.
Just kidding.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Teh Mick on December 05, 2008, 05:12:47 pm
the French version did not use the retranslated English script as a base. I was quite suprised to see a "French Translation" credit when I finished the game, so I put my DS in French (also my mother tongue) to check out.

Masamune is Grandleon. Ozzie, Slash and Flea are Vinnie, Soya and Mayo.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: hiddensquire on December 07, 2008, 12:40:44 am
I'm a little surprised no one has noticed this yet, but... the description on Lucca's Wondershot now says "Play time determines damage."  If this turns out to actually be the case, I must say I will be most pleased.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on December 07, 2008, 01:01:09 am
the French version did not use the retranslated English script as a base. I was quite suprised to see a "French Translation" credit when I finished the game, so I put my DS in French (also my mother tongue) to check out.

Masamune is Grandleon. Ozzie, Slash and Flea are Vinnie, Soya and Mayo.

Vinnie
ビネガー  / vinegar

Mayo
マヨネイ (マヨネーズ) / mayonnaise

Soya
ソイソー / soisor / Soy Sauce

The three are all food/spice names...

I'm a little surprised no one has noticed this yet, but... the description on Lucca's Wondershot now says "Play time determines damage."  If this turns out to actually be the case, I must say I will be most pleased.

Maybe the minimum will be increased? Since its maximum is aleady 250...
Title: Changes I've found so far.
Post by: Shinrin on December 08, 2008, 12:24:28 pm
These are some changes i noticed in the game. That aren't found on the CTDS page.

- The video for the Day of Lavos freezes some, unlike the SNES where it just only glitched the video.
- When moving the barrels in the Factory, the screen flashes when trying to input the command
- Norstein Bekkler jumps every time the Clone makes an action in CTDS, he does nothing in the SNES version.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on December 08, 2008, 03:18:14 pm
OK, they finally translated Biggs' name correctly. lol

BTW, I remember it was Vicks in FF6 too(the 2 empire soldiers at the beginning, Vicks and Wedge).
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on December 08, 2008, 03:54:35 pm
Toma's death is no longer in June, it is now Thirdmoon.

What kind of change is that?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 08, 2008, 03:56:14 pm
Thirdmoon? WTF is that?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: chrono eric on December 08, 2008, 04:33:58 pm
Thirdmoon? WTF is that?

Maybe the third month? Which would be March instead of June.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 08, 2008, 04:35:25 pm
Hmm... Can we see the full text on his DS grave?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on December 08, 2008, 05:00:14 pm
Hmm... Can we see the full text on his DS grave?

Can't remember the whole thing, but the date went:

'Sixth of Thirdmoon, year 634'
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 08, 2008, 05:09:26 pm
I forgot the date. What was the date of his death in the SNES version?  June ??, 0634
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on December 08, 2008, 05:11:51 pm
The day is still the 6th, regardless of SNES/DS/JP/EN.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 08, 2008, 05:17:19 pm
Ah OK. Thanks, Sarge.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on December 10, 2008, 09:24:22 pm
I'm a little surprised no one has noticed this yet, but... the description on Lucca's Wondershot now says "Play time determines damage."  If this turns out to actually be the case, I must say I will be most pleased.

Actually, i'm pretty sure I mentioned that at one point...Though, as I've said, it's a big fuckall thread that's impossible to sift through...Anyways, what's so pleasing about that...? I assumed that it meant that the game clock's digits determined the damage like how Robo's last HP digit determines the Crisis Arm's damage...I have no idea how you'd be able to confirm this though...V_V
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on December 11, 2008, 12:12:24 am
About Toma's tomb, it says '王國曆 634.3.6' in JPN version. Maybe 王國曆 can be translated into Gardian Calender, since its literal meaning is 'Kingdom Calender'.
So maybe it doesn't use the Gregorian calendar, but the Kingdom's own calendar.

But I don't know what about other dates metioned in game, if there's some Jan., Feb, Mar., or just numbers.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 11, 2008, 12:28:09 am
Is that all that is "inscribed" on the tomb? Go back through CTDS, visit Toma's grave, write down what it says when you interact with the grave, and post it here.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on December 11, 2008, 12:59:16 am
Well, there's nothing special exception that whatwhat calendar.

In ENG version it is lilke this

Here Lies the Great Explorer
          Toma Levine
  Sixth of Thirdmoon, 634

And in JPN version the date is at the first line.


In SNES version (I copied it from Zeality's script )

   The Great Adventurer
   Toma Levine rests here...
             3/6/634
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 11, 2008, 01:06:49 am
Huh, that's odd.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on December 11, 2008, 01:18:03 am
Odd? What?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 11, 2008, 07:30:23 pm
Another find:

Although a lot of people don't know this, but if you leave schala's theme playing fora  long long long long time, like hours at a time, her theme desyncs in the SNES version. I've currently had the song playing for over 3 hours, and the song has not desync.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on December 11, 2008, 08:36:30 pm
Another find:

Although a lot of people don't know this, but if you leave schala's theme playing fora  long long long long time, like hours at a time, her theme desyncs in the SNES version. I've currently had the song playing for over 3 hours, and the song has not desync.

How exactly does it desyncs?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 11, 2008, 08:55:40 pm
I think Shin means that it's just a rumor (s)he just proved false.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: justin3009 on December 11, 2008, 09:00:17 pm
No, he proved it on his own in the SNES version.  He's just trying to see if some bugs are still retained.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 11, 2008, 11:27:38 pm
Yes, it's been confirmed that it desyncs by me, and Lenophis and possible some others. (SNES version)

and i'm a he. :P
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 11, 2008, 11:33:57 pm
OK.

and i'm a he. :P

I put the "s" in (these) b/c I didn't know.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 12, 2008, 08:00:17 pm
This is interesting, I seem to remember that the epoch was on the island where the earthbound and enlighten ones are on after the fall of zeal.. but on CTDS it's out in the fucking middle of the ocean!

Oh ho!

(http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/3751/epochbugjx9.png)

:picardno Damn you Tose!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on December 12, 2008, 08:55:36 pm
Yeah, I wondered that as well (jebus, get some better screens btw :lol:) Maybe they couldn't place it there w/o making it accessible...? Probably saved some space just moving it out of range...It's interesting in that it basically makes a liar of the Elder...It didn't wash up you sonofabitch!!!
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 12, 2008, 09:34:31 pm
:picardno

WTF is up with them?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 12, 2008, 10:10:35 pm
I'm playing on a DS, and i gotta sucky webcam.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on December 12, 2008, 11:21:25 pm
If anyone wants a clearer picture.

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Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 12, 2008, 11:35:50 pm
The glitch where you can hear the over world map music while on epoch, is gone. The DS version load music much faster than the SNES version. (Why there is no lag in the game.)

However, the glitch from the SNES version of CT where you can enter Giant's Claw before you talk to Toma is still in the DS version.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on December 12, 2008, 11:44:21 pm
However, the glitch from the SNES version of CT where you can enter Giant's Claw before you talk to Toma is still in the DS version.

That was a glitch? I just assumed talking to Toma was to let you know the Rainbow Shell is there.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on December 12, 2008, 11:48:53 pm
However, the glitch from the SNES version of CT where you can enter Giant's Claw before you talk to Toma is still in the DS version.

That was a glitch? I just assumed talking to Toma was to let you know the Rainbow Shell is there.

It is, since talking to Toma makes the cave opening appear.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 13, 2008, 12:45:50 am
I made a patch to fix this for the SNES version, it's some wear hidden in the deep depths of the Kajar Laboratories.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on December 13, 2008, 12:50:38 am
How to get this glitch any way?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 13, 2008, 01:42:43 am
To get to the Giant's Claw early:

Finish the game up til the Black Omen appears. This will let you have the Epoch with wings.

All you gotta do next is go to 600 A.D and go to the Island where Giants Claw is. and press up til you can't move anymore. then press A and you're in.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 13, 2008, 12:37:34 pm
Not a glitch IMO they just assumed you wouldn't go in if you didn't know it was there. That's probably why they didn't mess with it.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 13, 2008, 01:27:23 pm
Well it doesn't even show up the name either.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 13, 2008, 01:28:38 pm
True, but do they really have to get rid of it, since it doesn't matter?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on December 13, 2008, 05:09:17 pm
Well, it sorta makes sense that the name Giant's Claw doesn't show up if you know nothing about it...Unless there's, like, a sign on the cave entrance or something...>_>
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 13, 2008, 05:52:11 pm
After the fight with Marle and her dad, the Chancellors eye twinkles with a blue star sprite.. I can't seem to find it in the event code at all in TF. So i think it's pretty new.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on December 13, 2008, 06:09:57 pm
Are you sure that isn't where he drops the "Yakra Key" used to open the box and free the real Chancellor?

After the quest you have to go back up to the Court Room and get the key, then open the box.  I know that the key is a blue sparkle (because I did the quest on DS today).
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on December 13, 2008, 06:14:41 pm
Speaking of chancellors, at the start of the game, when I talked to the one in 600 AD, he went to the king's room as normal. However, after getting Lucca, he was once again in the throne room. Talked to him again, said the same thing he would say if you secretly hear him across the wall in the king's room, and walked outside the castle.

Is that a new way for him to go the cathedral? Since it never happened that way in the SNES version.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Vehek on December 13, 2008, 06:32:41 pm
After the fight with Marle and her dad, the Chancellors eye twinkles with a blue star sprite.. I can't seem to find it in the event code at all in TF. So i think it's pretty new.
Are you sure? Or is there some other fight?
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff83/TtravelrKev/Misc%20CT%20Stuff/ChancellorEyeTwinkle.png)
I think it's object 0E in the SNES version.

Talked to him again, said the same thing he would say if you secretly hear him across the wall in the king's room, and walked outside the castle.
I didn't even know that you could hear him across the wall. I haven't seen him reappear in the throne room in the SNES version, but he says that in the SNES version too.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 13, 2008, 07:34:34 pm
Hehe, I must of over looked it XD
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 13, 2008, 09:31:48 pm
Huh... I never saw that when I pulled that stunt, and I only did it once out of curiosity.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 13, 2008, 09:58:39 pm
Seems the wondershot weapon is tied to the Game Clock. o.O Has anyone noticed this? (A guy in #rpgone noticed this)
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on December 13, 2008, 10:09:17 pm
Doesn't it say that in the description when you're equipping it?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 13, 2008, 10:12:47 pm
The guy claims it does. I don't have it yet though.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on December 13, 2008, 10:22:18 pm
I believe that's been mentioned in this thread at least once so far...How do you confirm that though...?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on December 13, 2008, 10:29:36 pm
Here you go.

(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk1/FaFniR_Medley/LuccaWondershot.jpg)
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on December 13, 2008, 10:43:31 pm
No, that's not...:lol: I meant how do you confirm that the game clock effects the damage rate?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Acacia Sgt on December 13, 2008, 11:12:13 pm
No, that's not...:lol: I meant how do you confirm that the game clock effects the damage rate?

Who knows. To me, it still does random damage. But sometimes it does the same damage twice in a row, but since usually it changes every turn, then every five seconds or something.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Romana on December 13, 2008, 11:40:20 pm
No, that's not...:lol:

Ah, sorry about that, I'm a bit dim.

No, that's not...:lol: I meant how do you confirm that the game clock effects the damage rate?

Who knows. To me, it still does random damage. But sometimes it does the same damage twice in a row, but since usually it changes every turn, then every five seconds or something.

I've noticed this too.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shinrin on December 16, 2008, 01:22:44 am
I'm not sure if it's been noted yet, but when starting a new game + it seems the Dimensional Vortex dungeons are open from the start.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 16, 2008, 09:24:40 am
Wasn't this already confirmed?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on December 16, 2008, 09:40:21 am
http://members.fortunecity.com/kwhazit/trans/ct/goodies.html (http://members.fortunecity.com/kwhazit/trans/ct/goodies.html)

Check this.  :picardno

  ミラクルショット
 時によってダメージがまちまち    Miracle Shot
 Damage varies from time to time    WonderShot
 Damage can vary
 Attack power +250  Used by: Lucca

The damage this weapon inflicts fluctuates wildly, and can be any of 10%, 50%, 100%, 200%, or 300% of the damage it should be. "Varies" is an understatement.

The Miracle Shot has a 40% critical hit rate, unlike the 20% that most of Lucca's weapons have.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 16, 2008, 09:46:47 am
I assume that's Kwhazit's and would like to express my delight that he, like me and a few others, prefer to call Frog's sword the Grandleon.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Paradox244 on December 22, 2008, 08:44:54 pm
Spekkio is no longer a god?

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, nom nom nom nom...IT'S CANON!
Does this mean we're going to have to re-name your usergroup?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 22, 2008, 09:06:09 pm
:picardno

Did you really have to bring that up again?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: ubermetroid on December 27, 2008, 05:21:41 pm
All life begins and ends with nu. This is the undeniable truth, because I believe it to be so. At least for present.

Not nearly as powerful of a statement as in the SNES translation.

This is really off topic, but I like the picture in your sign.  Made me laugh.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on December 30, 2008, 05:16:59 am
I recall the 12th ending, really LMAO.

Quote from: SNES version
Marle: Hi, Toma!
Now HE'S definitely my type!

Lucca: Aw, he's just a flake.


Marle: Probably has a dozen
girlfriends.

Lucca: Actually, I see him as more
of an intellectual!

The last sentence spoken by Lucca in DS version:
Quote from: DS version
Lucca: Or boyfriends. Come to think of it, he
never really talked about his love life...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on December 31, 2008, 03:43:35 pm
Oh hell. First there's her implication that Ayla might be bisexual, and now she implies the possibility of Toma being gay! WTF, Lucca?
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: V_Translanka on January 01, 2009, 09:21:05 pm
It's the handlebar mustache...

Kino was oddly feminine for a Toriyama character...And totally a submissive. Imagine if they had cows to make her outfit out of...Mistress Ayla in black leather...! Whoa...where am I again? >_>
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on January 02, 2009, 01:09:14 am
Perhaps Ayla's tribe is matriarchal.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on January 05, 2009, 11:07:22 am
Perhaps Ayla's tribe is matriarchal.

No. Ioka's chief is the strongest one of all. Ayla proved to be the strongest, so she became chief. Of course, she resigned when she ran off with Crono to help kill Lavos.

Imagine if they had cows to make her outfit out of...Mistress Ayla in black leather...! Whoa...where am I again? >_>

*reads the post, and realizes that by doing so he has once again succeeded in Dividing By ZERO*

OH, SHI-- (http://lexlibertas.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/i-divided-by-zero.jpg)

<Shadow D. Darkman has been disconnected.>
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Nintendonick4 on January 22, 2009, 03:07:37 pm
No. Ioka's chief is the strongest one of all. Ayla proved to be the strongest, so she became chief. Of course, she resigned when she ran off with Crono to help kill Lavos.

On that subject, there's an interesting line in CTDS that I don't remember... Somebody, either Ayla or one of the 65M BC villagers says that if Ayla becomes pregnant, she loses her place as chief. Presumably simply for the safety of mother and child, but seems a bit harsh.

Also, if anyone can confirm what happened in the SNES version for me regarding something, my mind would be eased: With Ayla in the party, after getting the shard of the Rainbow Shell during the trial and after Marle reads the note from her mother, Ayla has some amusing things to say about motherhood... and then seems to actually feel Marle's breasts and note that she's "too small" to have lots of children. It just uses the "one arm extended" pose, but close enough for her hand to touch Marle's, er, chesty region.

Marle doesn't respond, presumably struck dumb.

Anyway, I really don't remember that pose being there, or how it would have been explained.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Shadow D. Darkman on January 23, 2009, 12:41:25 am
Quote from: CTDS Script (English version)
{Ayla}: Kino man.
{Ayla} die, have baby, then Kino chief.

Yeah, they really do need to explain what she meant in the text quoted above.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Nintendonick4 on January 23, 2009, 02:07:55 pm
Quote from: CTDS Script (English version)
{Ayla}: Kino man.
{Ayla} die, have baby, then Kino chief.

Yeah, they really do need to explain what she meant in the text quoted above.
I just figured it meant "If I die or have a baby, then Kino will be chief." It makes sense given the culture, and I think the implication is not that Kino is more fit for the job of chief than anyone else, but that since he's the lover of the current chief, he'd inherit the position if the current one was incapacitated, which would inculde either death or various motherly duties.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Vehek on January 23, 2009, 02:16:48 pm
Looks like that's a change from even the SNES JPN version.

Here's part of the JPN DS line, assuming my partial text dump is right:
Quote
{Ayla} 死んだり 子供出来たら
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on January 23, 2009, 02:28:12 pm
It seems there's only half of the sentence...
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Vehek on January 23, 2009, 02:40:43 pm
My TBL file isn't complete. Here's a quick attempt to finish that line.
Quote
{Ayla}「キーノ 者……
  {Ayla} 死んだり 子供出来たら
  キーノ 酋長。
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: utunnels on January 23, 2009, 02:45:23 pm
者……
Shouldn't it be 男?

If so, it is same as snes script.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Vehek on January 23, 2009, 03:10:00 pm
I was looking at the wrong line. I was looking at a line in Tyrano Lair ionstead of the Forest Maze (or whatever it's called now).

The "have baby" thing is in the Retranslation.
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: Corpse69 on May 24, 2009, 04:26:58 am
i didnt like the script for the ds lol i like the snes 1 better \ ds version was fiendlord this and that
Title: Re: Official CT DS Differences Thread [IMMENSE SPOILERS ON PAGE 5 ONWARDS]
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 06, 2009, 07:14:30 pm
I know it's been a long time since I've been active here, but the new release is bringing a bunch of people out of the woodworks, it seems.  Picked up both the game and a DS over the weekend, spent all weekend savoring it (working on the sidequests post-Crono revival now), and decided to stop in and see what was up.  Found this, though, and had to weigh in with my two cents.

Well! I didn't even notice this last year.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the first Guru of Life. Too bad GrayLensman didn't stop in.